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Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 06:22
by mario
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Ubik wrote:Whoever it was at Ferrari that figured it would be a good idea to have the championship leader waste qualifying time bathplugging around towing his team mate needs a good kicking.


It was a solid strategy. You can't blame the strategists for a mechanical failure - who plans for that?

Quite - nobody within the team could have anticipated that Alonso would have picked up damage to his rear anti roll bar, so getting Alonso to give Massa a tow was probably a damage limitation move by the team to at least get Massa up as high as he could and stick a better chance of denying Vettel points.

tristan1117 wrote:I'm excited to see what Force India does tomorrow. It's a shame that Hulkenberg got knocked out in Q1 because he would have easily made Q3. Di Resta was excellent on his qualifying run but that five-spot penalty sill hurt him considerably. I'm hoping that Force India somehow gets another good result tomorrow.

Force India do have a chance of another decent haul of points today, which might help them open up a bit of a gap between themselves and Williams in the WCC. Hulkenberg was very unlucky in qualifying, but he has excellent straight line speed and put in some decent times during the longer runs on Friday, whilst Di Resta seems to have found a bit of form with those excellent qualifying laps - I only hope that both drivers make it through the usual first corner carnage intact.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:16
by WaffleCat
Di Resta was that close to taking Senna out.

EDIT:Vergne sort of....messed up.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:17
by GwilymJJames
Big crash for Vergne. Those kerbs are dangerous.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:18
by tristan1117
GwilymJJames wrote:Big crash for Vergne. Those curbs are dangerous.


That had to be a mechanical problem. His wing slot was open so maybe it was the DRS.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:19
by RonDenisDeletraz
Bruno can consider himself lucky, Vernge not so much.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:19
by Shadaza
Suspension failure, nothing Vergne could have done.

Though Di Resta seemed to try and kill Bruno Senna. Such a nice lad.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:19
by pasta_maldonado
tristan1117 wrote:
GwilymJJames wrote:Big crash for Vergne. Those curbs are dangerous.


That had to be a mechanical problem. His wing slot was open so maybe it was the DRS.

The left rear suspension failed, that sent him spinning onto the grass

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:27
by Ferrarist
Argh, can Mercedes ever build a car that isn't so hard on the tires?

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:28
by WaffleCat
Is it just me or are both HRT's ahead of Glock?

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:29
by QuickYoda41
Perez is really fast on those hard tyres

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:30
by GwilymJJames
WaffleCat wrote:Is it just me or are both HRT's ahead of Glock?

He had contact in the first lap and made an early stop.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:37
by WaffleCat
Ricciardo is really mixing in with the top drivers...doubt they like it.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:39
by GwilymJJames
Perez leads!

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:40
by pasta_maldonado
Perez leads now...if Sauber have a good strategy he could be in for a great result

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:40
by RonDenisDeletraz
Go Perez

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:41
by Ferrarist
Given how hard those guys race, I have a gut feeling that we'll see Vettel and Alonso collide. I mean, Ricciardo almost did an Inoue at the almost same corner.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:42
by QuickYoda41
Woww, Alonso :shock:

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:43
by WaffleCat
Alonso just avoided another DNF...great save.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:44
by Ferrarist
Oh d'Ambrosio, there went your chance to battle with the big guys...

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:46
by GwilymJJames
Perez does not lead anymore.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:52
by WaffleCat
Finger has a drive-through.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:52
by Shadaza
WaffleCat wrote:Finger has a drive-through.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:53
by GwilymJJames
OH bathplug OFF THERE IS NOT bathplug WAY THAT IS A PENALTY bathplug OFF FIARRARI.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:53
by QuickYoda41
Ferrari International Aid is working at Monza. Especially interesting if you look at the Di Resta/Bruno situation and the non-existant consequences...

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:54
by QuickYoda41
Button out, this race is getting worse and worse :(

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:54
by Shadaza
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo Button, not a great 5 minutes for my drivers!

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:55
by The Mobile Chicane
Nooooooo. Button out! +vettel drive through + inevitable Ferrari team orders = good day for alonso

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:56
by the Masked Lapwing
Come on, now we just need Hamilton to go out :twisted:

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:57
by tristan1117
Perez sets fastest lap!

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:57
by QuickYoda41
Nice Perez-Raikkonen battle

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:58
by Shizuka
"Preserve the tyres" = "Fernando is faster than you"?

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:58
by GwilymJJames
Felipe... manage the tyres... Fernando behind you.


No, Ferrari, the rules have changed, you don't need to use code anymore.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:59
by Libertango
Fernando is faster than you :roll:

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 12:59
by The Mobile Chicane
Think about how to manage the tyres...Fernando behind...

And thus the team orders were spoken

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 13:00
by Dj_bereta
Just give the trophy to Alonso/Ferrari FIA! stop to robber the others! If Alonso wins this championship, this will be one of the dirtiest in the F-1 history!

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 13:03
by Ferrarist
This reminds me of the 1988 Italian Grand Prix. First, one Mclaren retires due to technical problems. Does that mean that the guest starter will take out Hamilton?

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 13:03
by GwilymJJames
Felipe; you have two options. Either yield and be remembered as a pathetic loser, or hold position and be remembered as a racer.


Oh, it's pathetic loser.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 13:04
by The Mobile Chicane
Alonso overtakes Massa. Didn't see that coming. Perez stalking ferraris nicely.

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 13:05
by QuickYoda41
GO PEREZ!

Re: 2012 Italian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 13:05
by TomWazzleshaw
GwilymJJames wrote:Felipe; you have two options. Either yield and be remembered as a pathetic loser, or hold position and be remembered as a racer.


Oh, it's pathetic loser.


In the grand scheme of things they had no real choice. It was either leave Massa ahead and have both their guys eaten up by Perez or let Alonso by and Massa play rear-gunner. Whether it's ethical or not however is an entirely different matter :lol: