Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **26 Nov 2012, 13:13**

Steepled Way for Ganassi
"Well, after the first two practice session, we kinda expected the result, as Phoenix is a unusual track". That was the word of Chip Ganassi after the result of both Scott Goodyear and Buddy Lazier. "All is new for us, including coping with the Buick engine. We know what the powerplant can do in superspeedways, but this will be a year of learning after all."

As a personal fact, I won the the old PC Indy 500 with a Lola Buick. The engine was so tunneable and the chasiss so agile that I was able to blow away the powerful (but heavy-handling) Penske, at the risk of an engine blow.

Posted: **26 Nov 2012, 13:41**

Could I enter with Dale Coyne Racing?

Posted: **26 Nov 2012, 16:03**

Boesel seems to get the best of the team in practice, and as suspected, Huub will need adaptation to US way of race

Posted: **26 Nov 2012, 18:25**

If CART goes to Australia next year, Alfa Romeo think the Thunderdrome at Clader Park should be used as it is an oval, supporting the drive for ovals by the governing body.

Posted: **26 Nov 2012, 19:09**

I've just realised that Alboreto isn't competing for Alfa Romeo. He can sit out this race if it's too late to add him in, but I would like him to compete in all races please

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 05:35**

pi314159 wrote:Could I enter with Dale Coyne Racing?

Yes you may

pasta_maldonado wrote:I've just realised that Alboreto isn't competing for Alfa Romeo. He can sit out this race if it's too late to add him in, but I would like him to compete in all races please

Woops. I'm really sorry! I didn't notice his addition in your latest team revision, so yea... :oops:

Well since only practice has been run, I can still add him

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 05:46**

Phoenix - Teams Meeting With CART

"Gentlemen, after some thoughtful consideration, we still cannot find any reason to not race the Monza oval in a clockwise direction. Not only have oval races there using its original 30' banking been run clockwise, but it's usually been the case that ovals outside the United States are run in the 'opposite' direction. The gentlemen at Porsche must understand that they stand to lose a large amount of money, along with advertising potential and the popularity of their driver, Teo Fabi should they boycott the race. Both CART and the Monza organisers have agreed to schedule 7 practice sessions across 4 days, 2 each on Wednesday to Friday, and a single session before qualifying. This should provide both teams and drivers ample time to accustom themselves to the 'reversed' run. We at CART have said time and time again that machine-wise, there is almost nothing to worry about. The 20' degree banking is only a 2' degree difference between the 18' degree banks at Michigan. The main 'concern', if you like, that we agree with is driver safety, and the 7 practice sessions are ample for drivers to get used to racing clockwise. This debate has raged on and on for almost a month and more, we sincerely hope that we can finally reach some sort of agreement.

Alfa Romeo have made a good case with a possible race at Calder Park. Unfortunately, the banking is an unsafe 24 degrees, and NASCAR already runs there. It should be noted to all Monza doubters, however, that oval races, including NASCAR's, are all run clockwise. If NASCAR have no fear, why should IndyCar?"

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 05:57**

I actually did some research into this and the reason why all races are run anti-clockwise nowadays is because it aids blood flow from the heart. In the opposite direction however, it impedes blood flow and can even block major arteries at a high enough g-force. And considering it's a 160 lap race on a large, high banked oval, it"ll pose a major health risk for the driver in those conditions

Long story sort: Porsche are still not racing at Monza unless it is run anti-clockwise.

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 06:08**

CART will release an official statement following the race at Phoenix.

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 06:16**

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   1989 Checker Autoworks 200 - Qualifying
 1 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                   24.050
 2 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)           24.056
 3 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)          24.419
 4 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)          24.477
 5 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)        24.509
 6 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)      24.700
 7 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)            24.911
 8 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)      24.916
 9 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)               24.941
10 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)           25.032
11 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)             25.531
12 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)       25.553
13 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)          25.703
14 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)        25.789
15 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)          25.881
16 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)      26.187
17 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)     26.200
18 John Andretti (Andale Racing)              26.205
19 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)         26.267
20 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)       26.276
21 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)             26.299
22 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                 26.345
23 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)     26.349
24 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                  26.951
25 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        26.969
26 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)       27.009
27 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)       27.101
28 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)      27.807 
29 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)    27.815 - DNQ
30 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)              27.851 - DNQ
31 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)       27.865 - DNQ
32 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)       27.936 - DNQ
33 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)            27.938 - DNQ
34 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                 28.261 - DNQ
35 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                28.519 - DNQ

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 08:00**

Dale Coyne Racing announces plans for 1989 season:

The debut is planned for the Indy 500. We're planning to take part in all following races, including the Monza event. We would like to run Penske chassis, combined with a Cosworth engine. Our driver will be former Formula one driver Roberto Moreno. For Indianapolis and Monza, we are running two cars, with the drivers yet to be announced.

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 08:36**

Newman/Haas statement:

It seems we are getting slower and slower every next session, which is unacceptable. It seems Paul Newman doesn't encourage our drivers enough with his friendly style, so Carl Haas temporarily stops negotiating with other team owners and CART directors to talk a little with Andretti family. We would appreciate some advice from former F1 star Niki Lauda, too. Our goal for the race is at least podium finish with one of the cars and we still believe it is achievable.

As for fans - we are happy they are here to fully support our sport and wish to thank them. We hope to give them the show they deserve.

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 09:27**

Wizzie wrote:Long story sort: Porsche are still not racing at Monza unless it is run anti-clockwise.

Dick Simon Racing would join it's boycott, or at least just enter one car for a local driver.

OoC: U.S. 500, anyone? :mrgreen:

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 15:55**

Ganassi talks about Monza issue

"We don't understand the issue of not racing in one of the world's more renowned tracks. Is like saying 'we don't race there because we're afraid to be a shame'. Come on! We run in the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, one of the most fastest tracks on the planet!" Those were the words of Chip Ganassi after a few CART teams have expressed their desire of boicott the italian event on the repaired Monza oval. "I can understand Porsche POV, since the Europeans are eager to ban everything that goes up to 250 km/h, but Dick Simon Racing is an American team. They should be up to the challenge! Not a bunch of old prone ladies!" As for the new European races for CART, he add "If we have the posibility to go where the fans wants us, we should go. While we're basicly an American series, that's not an excuse for not betting in the European crowd. Some of CART drivers are from Europe, and they would be glad to show their fellows what they're made of, be an oval track or a circuit."
Ganassi ended the conference saying "The only way to know if Monza is safe is by testing it. I'm sure that most of the CART teams would gladly go to Italy for the chance to tackle the historic track."

Posted: **27 Nov 2012, 16:12**

Robby Unser wrote:Aww man yeah that hurt, my knee's sore but I'll be better by Indy. I just lost the back coming out of turn 4 and well you know the rest. We've been struggling for pace all weekend, we tried working out our own setups, we tried copying John's setup, but nothing seemed to work. I'm confident of a result at Indy though, because I think the Buick has by far the most power compared to the other engines.

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 07:35**

I've been getting general errors with the code tool, so we'll have to make do with snapshots...

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 07:44**

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:I've been getting general errors with the code tool, so we'll have to make do with snapshots...

You're using xkoranate or something like that,right? The reason why you're getting the errors when using code is because of the dash that sits next to the first retired driver and the other dashes that appear in "-1 laps" next to lapped rivers.Just replace the dashes with regular ones to get past the problem.

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 08:13**

Dick Simon, while talking to Gary Gerould wrote:"You know Gary, we were confident that we could be competitive right from the bat. But we would have never dreamed of taking the very first win of the season. Scotty did a great job today, and so did Bobby and Arie, until their cars gave up. We also shouldn't forget the guys who worked on the cars, great job by them, too. Last but not least we'd like to thank Lola and Ilmor, for providing us with this great package, thanks guys!

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 09:25**

Newman/Haas statement:

First of all, we would like to congratulate Dick Simon Racing and Scott Brayton for their somewhat unexpected victory in the opening round. They have progressed well every session and it seems to have done their job better than all the rest, so they fully deserve that.

As for us, our goal was to have a good race with both drivers battling for the win until the end. Michael did it and he made it to the podium, so we are happy for his result. As for his father - he was unlucky to have that accident at the first lap, but things like that happen. We all know what Mario is capable of, so we won't make any tragedies after just one round.

Last but not least - we are happy there were lots of fans that were happy. This reminds us why we are in that business.

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 10:56**

Jack Arute wrote:Yes Paul, I'm standing here with John Andretti. John, you were running a real good race out there, what happened?

John Andretti wrote:Well yea I was running a good race! Ye know we made a few changes to the setup before the race, and that really improved the car and all. And... Yea it's just really disappointing.

Jack Arute wrote:So what happened?

John Andretti wrote:Well Danny got a bit loose coming out of turn 4, so I moved to the inside aiming to pass him into the first turn, but... Ye know I don't know if he didn't see me or just... Just did what he did, but he forced me below the white line going into the turn, and I lost all the grip and slid into him. And um we took John Jones out as well, so, um, I did say sorry to him. But we're really disappointed, we were in the points, and well, something stupid just had to happen.

Jack Arute wrote:A very upset and disappointed John Andretti. Paul, back to you.

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 12:18**

Beyond Expectations

"We expected to struggle as a new tem, but this result show that we're ready to fight with the big guys!" was the response of Chip Ganassi after Scott Goodyear brilliant drive to 5th place in Phoenix. "Even though Buddy couldn't make the distance, he manage 101 laps that will help us understand better the car. But Scott was a class on his own. Against all odds, a fine drive to 5th place. This is only the beggining folks!"

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 12:31**

Danny Sullivan wrote:Well,I think I may have ended quite a few races after that,basically as Andretti said,I got loose,but not only that,the car just kept on squirreling trying to get back onto the gas,and that's what ended my race.

A.J Foyt wrote:Aw Hell Yeah!Got ourselves some points on the board!

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 16:23**

We would like to praise Boesel's performance at Phoenix, despite not getting the podium, showed a very good drive and keeps showing that he belongs to the Indycar world.

We feel that Huub had an average debut, but still being his first season in American series, he might be reeling of adaptation, but we hope he can evolve and take the team to where it deserves.

Pancho did a good job, but a lot of trouble on his car stopped his evolution and we grant he can be a valuable asset for the team at the oval tracks

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 17:10**

Vittorio Brambilla, Alfa Romeo IndyCar team principle wrote:Not a perfect start to the season for sure, but we were always going to eb behind on ovals as we have no experience of ovals. Michele ran well until engine failure put him out, and we expect to eb a bit faster on the road courses this year.

Just out of interest Jereon, how good are the Alfa chassis and engine in comparison to the other manufacturers?

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 18:36**

Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Team Principal for Renault IndyCar Racing wrote:For a team with absolutely no experience racing ovals, to come away with 3 points for 10th place on our oval debut is more than we could've possibly hoped for. For sure, the attrition had a major hand in things, and the cars behind us were either damaged or had bad setups, but Keke still did a fantastic job to bring the car home in one piece. Unfortunately, Patrick and Rene both failed to qualify, and for sure our focus has to be on qualifying for now. Definately, we are expecting improved performance in Long Beach, and should be in the running for points on merit.

Posted: **28 Nov 2012, 19:50**

Hello everyone!

Please can I enter the series?

The team would be called Theodore, owned by Teddy Yip running a sole Lola-Buick for Tommy Byrne on Goodyears, with a car added for Al Unser, Sr. at all oval races apart from Monza.

Posted: **29 Nov 2012, 05:59**

Not the start that we wanted but hey, it's better than nothing

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 06:25**

WaffleCat wrote:You're using xkoranate or something like that,right? The reason why you're getting the errors when using code is because of the dash that sits next to the first retired driver and the other dashes that appear in "-1 laps" next to lapped rivers.Just replace the dashes with regular ones to get past the problem.

Thanks mate

pasta_maldonado wrote:Just out of interest Jereon, how good are the Alfa chassis and engine in comparison to the other manufacturers?

Wasn't sure I'd answer this, but since the first season will be based mostly on the real life season, then I'll be honest and say that it's a bit lower than the others, since you're the two new manufacturers. Of course, things will develop over the course of the season (unless you say otherwise!) and for 1990 you may get on par with the others

HonoraryNortherner wrote:Hello everyone!

Please can I enter the series?

The team would be called Theodore, owned by Teddy Yip running a sole Lola-Buick for Tommy Byrne on Goodyears, with a car added for Al Unser, Sr. at all oval races apart from Monza.

Done

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 06:27**

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   1989 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach - Practice 1
 1 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)         1:34.413
 2 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)    1:34.674
 3 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)    1:34.819
 4 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)          1:35.021
 5 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)      1:35.089
 6 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)         1:35.091
 7 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)             1:35.527
 8 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                 1:35.833
 9 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)     1:35.928
10 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)   1:36.190
11 Mike Thackwell (Patrick Racing)          1:36.230
12 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)       1:36.239
13 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      1:36.478
14 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)        1:36.964
15 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)    1:37.007
16 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)  1:37.052
17 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)        1:37.053
18 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)   1:37.060
19 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)      1:37.199
20 John Andretti (Andale Racing)            1:37.206
21 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)           1:37.294
22 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)               1:37.314
23 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:37.407
24 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)        1:37.512
25 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                   1:37.761
26 Fabrizio Barbazza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:37.818
27 Adrian Campos (Truesports)               1:37.895
28 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)     1:37.976
29 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                1:37.990
30 Jon Beekhuis (Kraco Racing)              1:38.074
31 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)     1:38.129
32 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)    1:38.147
33 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)            1:38.461
34 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)     1:38.883
35 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises )       1:38.935
36 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:39.243

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 07:55**

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Done

Thank you!

Byrne will be #40 and Unser, Sr. #41 please.

Teddy Yip's Theodore team enter series from Long Beach
In an anticipated move, Macau based Indonesian businessman Theodore "Teddy" Yip has revived the Theodore name, some 6 years after his original F1 outfit folded, and entered the IndyCar series. The small start up outfit is believed to be recieving backing from a consortium of East-coast Irish investors, with Irishman Tommy Byrne as the lead driver. Former Theodore F1 driver Bryne, has spent the past 3 seasons racing in the ARS, finishing 2nd in the title race last year. Yip believes Bryne is ready to step up to the big series. "In Tommy we have a driver of great talent" Yip said Friday at Long Beach. "He has proven to be a winner. Unfortunately he has not always had the cars to show his talent."

The team missed the first round at Pheonix whilst an engine deal was being finalised with Buick, who will supply Theodore with their pushrod V6, which will be used in a Lola chassis. "The package is good, we can tell that so far". Byrne commented after posting the 25th fastest time in FP1. "The Lola chassis is the best in the business, and Buick know what their up to. We weren't sure how the engine would work on the Road courses, so this morning's pace was a welcome suprise." Qualifying will be the major hurdle for this small team to begin with, on Road courses, atleast.

It was also announced that 1987 Indianpolis 500 winner, Al Unser, Sr. has signed to drive a second Lola-Buick on all ovals except Monza. Unser, Sr, a 4 time Indy 500 winner has said he won't race at Monza if the race is ran clockwise. Theodore's plans for the #41 at Monza are unclear, although it is understood Yip will enter the car if a suitable driver is found.

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 08:27**

Doug Shierson wrote:Eddie was doing a very good job in Phoenix, before he had that collision with Fabi. I mean I don't know what he was thinking because Eddie had that move done and dusted and well he just turned into our car and that was that. Scott did well to finish in the points considering he was really struggling with the car all weekend. It's really disappointing but well now we're just looking forward to the race in Long Beach, where we expect Eddie to be really strong owing to his Formula One experience.

CART CONFIRM MONZA SWITCH
ITALIAN RACE TO BE RUN ANTI-CLOCKWISE

CART and Trofeo Alfa Romeo officials have come out in a joint-statement confirming the new 400-mile race to be run in Italy later this year will be run in the traditional anti-clockwise direction, after a roar of disapproval amongst IndyCar teams. Earlier, CART had confirmed the race would be run in a clockwise direction, something more familiar in European races. However, a majority of teams, most notably the officials at Porsche North America and Dick Simon Racing, in addition to opposition from smaller outfits such as Andale Racing opposed the move, citing safety reasons. After several behind-doors discussions between CART and the IndyCar teams, it is understood that the Monza race will not only be run in an anti-clockwise direction, but that the banking will also be reduced a further 2 degrees to 18 degrees, similar to the banking at Michigan International Speedway. In a statement, CART officials said, "After lengthy discussions between CART, IndyCar teams, medical officials and the Trofeo Alfa Romeo organisers, it has been agreed that the race will now be run in the traditional anti-clockwise direction. In addition to this, the banking will also be reduced to 18 degrees in order to lower speeds and G-Forces, of which teams were fearful would be too much for the drivers to handle. It is hoped that drivers and teams who were intent on boycotting the event will now think otherwise. CART will always remain committed to working together with teams and drivers, on the road to building a safe and exciting racing series."

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 08:28**

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   1989 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach - Practice 2
 1 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)         1:34.471
 2 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)         1:34.506
 3 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)    1:34.539
 4 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)    1:34.586
 5 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)      1:35.057
 6 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)          1:35.147
 7 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)     1:35.551
 8 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)             1:35.576
 9 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)       1:36.189
10 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      1:36.204
11 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)   1:36.232
12 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                 1:36.411
13 Mike Thackwell (Patrick Racing)          1:36.497
14 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)  1:36.952
15 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)      1:36.968
16 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                   1:36.968
17 John Andretti (Andale Racing)            1:36.979
18 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)           1:37.129
19 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)   1:37.215
20 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)        1:37.270
21 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)               1:37.360
22 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)    1:37.445
23 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:37.469
24 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)        1:37.688
25 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)    1:37.843
26 Adrian Campos (Truesports)               1:37.861
27 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                1:37.914
28 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)     1:37.967
29 Fabrizio Barbazza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:38.065
30 Jon Beekhuis (Kraco Racing)              1:38.066
31 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)     1:38.156
32 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)            1:38.560
33 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises )       1:38.785
34 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)        1:38.906
35 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:39.345
36 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)     1:39.558

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 08:48**

Newman/Haas statement:
Well, we improved a little but so did other teams. We have both our drivers in top 5, which is very good after all. We hope to battle for the pole tomorrow.

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 10:44**

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
Klon wrote:He will come back and if it is even only for the occasional cameo. Yannick came back, Jeroen Krautmeir came back...

Well, somebody noticed when I dropped by randomly. That does not happen at other boards. However, my intake of live TV broadcasts of motor races this year has been rather slim when compared to previous seasons, just like I intended. I kind of like this "diet" because it gives me more time to do other things than sit in front of a screen. And I tell you the more time you spend in front of a screen while on job duty, the less you want to do that in your spare time. So it's not that I'm "back" to the same extent that I used to be here before. I have also completely stopped listening to Jamie and Enoch's podcasts for this year, but I'm looking forward to their season review edition.

All the best to you guys. Thanks for keeping this board alive whilst some of the members only drop by occasionally.

Posted: **30 Nov 2012, 17:12**

So far, the mid-pack, but we aim to get a better position for qualifying sessions at the Long Beach

Posted: **01 Dec 2012, 09:11**

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   1989 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach - Qualifying
 1 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)    1:30.386
 2 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)    1:30.445
 3 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)         1:30.498
 4 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)         1:30.545
 5 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)          1:30.983
 6 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)      1:31.512
 7 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)     1:31.544
 8 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                 1:31.907
 9 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)             1:31.920
10 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      1:32.309
11 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)   1:32.326
12 Mike Thackwell (Patrick Racing)          1:32.439
13 John Andretti (Andale Racing)            1:32.951
14 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)               1:32.993
15 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)   1:33.002
16 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:33.005
17 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)        1:33.013
18 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)    1:33.035
19 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)           1:33.088
20 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)      1:33.097
21 Jon Beekhuis (Kraco Racing)              1:33.148
22 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                   1:33.180
23 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)  1:33.186
24 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)        1:33.198
25 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)       1:33.258
26 Fabrizio Barbazza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:33.322
27 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)       1:33.519
28 Adrian Campos (Truesports)               1:33.524
29 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)        1:33.837 - DNQ
30 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)     1:33.959 - DNQ
31 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)        1:34.030 - DNQ
32 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     1:34.056 - DNQ
33 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                1:34.135 - DNQ
34 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)     1:34.165 - DNQ
35 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)            1:34.171 - DNQ
36 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)    1:34.441 - DNQ
37 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)     1:34.722 - DNQ

Posted: **01 Dec 2012, 15:40**

Huzzah! We've nearly DNQed! But we made it!

Posted: **01 Dec 2012, 16:35**

Dick Simon, while talking to ABC wrote:"Well Gary, we didn't know what the problem with Scotty's Lola-Chevy was, he just couldn't get it up to speed in the same way Bobby and Arie could. Right now, we're as disappointed as he is, although we're of course hoping for a great race for Bobby and Arie."

Gary Gerould wrote:"One more question, with the Monza race now being run anti-clockwise, will your team attend the event?"

Dick Simon wrote:"We do so, albeit begrudgingly. After all, we have commitments to our sponsors, and we don't want to lock out our drivers from racing for political reason. Therefore, Dick Simon Racing will be at Monza."

Gary Gerould wrote:"Thank you Dick Simon, and back to you, Paul."

Posted: **01 Dec 2012, 16:42**

Poor Huub, but greatly amazing to Mike show is performance. Let's make Indycar show what Formula one dumped

Posted: **01 Dec 2012, 21:57**

Gary Gerould wrote:Jean, Little Al on the pole position and Teo Fabi on the second row. Mission accomplished for your team?

Jean-Louis Depault wrote:Well, this was a good day for us Gary but, as we well know, Sunday's the real payday we're hoping that both Al and Teo stay up the front tomorrow.

Gary Gerould wrote:We heard from Dick Simon moments ago that they'll be racing at Monza later this year after following in your boycott of the event. Will we be seeing Porsche there later this year?

Jean-Louis Depault wrote:Well, we have achieved what we are looking for, which was to look after the interests of our drivers, and since their concerns have now been addressed, there's no doubt we'll be racing there later this year.

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