Grand Prix Rejects

go_Rubens wrote:Well, there you go then. Scott over drives the car, I think.

Early ROTY candidate for IndyCar is Ganassi. They are pathetic this year.

It seems like he's finally learned not to over drive the car. Ganassi has that Williams stench to them. They can't do anything right.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:Well, there you go then. Scott over drives the car, I think.

Early ROTY candidate for IndyCar is Ganassi. They are pathetic this year.

It seems like he's finally learned not to over drive the car. Ganassi has that Williams stench to them. They can't do anything right.

Or Penske, for that matter. Power only has one podium this year.

go_Rubens wrote:Or Penske, for that matter. Power only has one podium this year.

I'd reserve it to Will for that given that Allmendinger was out of open wheel racing for 7 years and quite strong at Indianapolis. Not to mention Helio has a win and a trio of podiums. Will Power is outperforming two of the Ganassi cars in Franchitti and Kimball, though.

Dale Coyne Racing is currently one of the best teams in IndyCar. When they don't have a pay driver in their 2nd car, both cars can win races.

It's a shame Newman/Haas, Dreyer & Reinbold, HVM and Conquest Racing will most likely never return to IndyCar competition as standalone entries because of the Lotus debacle. Bahar parked their cars.

Cars with "rogue sponsors" will not win anything: just look at the results of the National Guard car and the Nuclear Energy car.

Yannick wrote:Dale Coyne Racing is currently one of the best teams in IndyCar. When they don't have a pay driver in their 2nd car, both cars can win races.

It's a shame Newman/Haas, Dreyer & Reinbold, HVM and Conquest Racing will most likely never return to IndyCar competition as standalone entries because of the Lotus debacle. Bahar parked their cars.

Cars with "rogue sponsors" will not win anything: just look at the results of the National Guard car and the Nuclear Energy car.

Are you saying that the drivers of those "rogue sponsors" have to be of a lower quality as to not win?

roblomas52 wrote:I like the look of the DW12

I don't.

What's really sickening, is that IndyCar is apparently contractually tied to Dallara until 2019! At least 2019 is the year, where IndyCar wants to bring forward a new set of regulations. Okay, they want to enact modifications until that time, but it'll probably involve nailing body panels to the DW12. Sure, the racing is good (In case of Indy perhaps too good), but the DW12 still remains a pile of junk.

Besides, IndyCar made the right decision in firing Randy Bernard. Hell, hiring him in the first place was wrong. All of his action reek of gross incompetence: The Las Vegas disaster, almost burning his bridges with Bruton Smith and the ISC and picking Dallara to provide the 2012 car, while no team owner wanted Dallara in the first place! Mark Miles and Derrick Walker have thankfully a long-term plan of where they want to go. But they'll also have the fight through the legacy of Rodeo Randy.

I also think that IndyCar should pick-up a few drivers from NASCAR. A.J. Allmendinger was a good start, but I'd also like to see the Busch brothers (At least Kurt), Tony Stewart and other to make at least a charge at the Indy 500.

Ferrarist wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:I like the look of the DW12

I don't.

What's really sickening, is that IndyCar is apparently contractually tied to Dallara until 2019! At least 2019 is the year, where IndyCar wants to bring forward a new set of regulations. Okay, they want to enact modifications until that time, but it'll probably involve nailing body panels to the DW12. Sure, the racing is good (In case of Indy perhaps too good), but the DW12 still remains a pile of junk.

Besides, IndyCar made the right decision in firing Randy Bernard. Hell, hiring him in the first place was wrong. All of his action reek of gross incompetence: The Las Vegas disaster, almost burning his bridges with Bruton Smith and the ISC and picking Dallara to provide the 2012 car, while no team owner wanted Dallara in the first place! Mark Miles and Derrick Walker have thankfully a long-term plan of where they want to go. But they'll also have the fight through the legacy of Rodeo Randy.

I also think that IndyCar should pick-up a few drivers from NASCAR. A.J. Allmendinger was a good start, but I'd also like to see the Busch brothers (At least Kurt), Tony Stewart and other to make at least a charge at the Indy 500.

The thing is, no one wants to bother to fly from Indy to Charlotte in one day, or it seems like it anyway. Pussies. I'd do it!

Find my opinion pointed, but I'm sticking to it.

Ferrarist wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:I like the look of the DW12

I don't.

What's really sickening, is that IndyCar is apparently contractually tied to Dallara until 2019! At least 2019 is the year, where IndyCar wants to bring forward a new set of regulations. Okay, they want to enact modifications until that time, but it'll probably involve nailing body panels to the DW12. Sure, the racing is good (In case of Indy perhaps too good), but the DW12 still remains a pile of junk.

Besides, IndyCar made the right decision in firing Randy Bernard. Hell, hiring him in the first place was wrong. All of his action reek of gross incompetence: The Las Vegas disaster, almost burning his bridges with Bruton Smith and the ISC and picking Dallara to provide the 2012 car, while no team owner wanted Dallara in the first place! Mark Miles and Derrick Walker have thankfully a long-term plan of where they want to go. But they'll also have the fight through the legacy of Rodeo Randy.

I also think that IndyCar should pick-up a few drivers from NASCAR. A.J. Allmendinger was a good start, but I'd also like to see the Busch brothers (At least Kurt), Tony Stewart and other to make at least a charge at the Indy 500.

The NASCAR penalty of missing the driver's meeting is starting at the rear of the field in 43rd. It's tempting not to make the double when that is the penalty.

roblomas52 wrote:I like the look of the DW12

Not really, compared to older IndyCars, but the most important thing is that we don't see cars flying into the fences any more.

roblomas52 wrote:

takagi_for_the_win wrote:I think the cars they use in Indycar are incredibly ugly, especially when compared to F1 cars. I don't know how unpopular that is, but there you go

I like the look of the DW12

I really don't. Yes, the computer sims of it look kinda cool, but in real life its far too bulky for my tastes

takagi_for_the_win wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:

takagi_for_the_win wrote:I think the cars they use in Indycar are incredibly ugly, especially when compared to F1 cars. I don't know how unpopular that is, but there you go

I like the look of the DW12

I really don't. Yes, the computer sims of it look kinda cool, but in real life its far too bulky for my tastes

If they had full Venturi ground effects on the under wing, I reckon they could run less wing making them look less bulky

As I said on the previous page, I like the look of the DW12. roblomas, you and I are on the same page!

WaffleCat wrote:Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions,eh?....

...WANT MINI BACK IN WRC. NOW.

... the best non-F1 series right now is the Global RallyCross Championship.

Scott Speed's win in Brazil was a fluke. but i have hope for him in the future.


i've got an unpopular one....
THE VW POLOS COMPETING IN RALLYCROSS WERE OVERRATED.

good_Ralf wrote:

Kimi-ICE wrote:Will Power as well. For a 3 time runner up in Indycar's just 1 podium at the moment is atrocious

Not to mention his slide from pole to 17th in Iowa.

You say it like it's supposed to be a surprise

Anyway, unpopular opinion time: CART between 1997 and 2001 was better than F1 at the time. And I believe in a few years time, IndyCar will be better than F1 overall, if it isn't already.

Wizzie wrote:

good_Ralf wrote:

Kimi-ICE wrote:Will Power as well. For a 3 time runner up in Indycar's just 1 podium at the moment is atrocious

Not to mention his slide from pole to 17th in Iowa.

You say it like it's supposed to be a surprise

Anyway, unpopular opinion time: CART between 1997 and 2001 was better than F1 at the time. And I believe in a few years time, IndyCar will be better than F1 overall, if it isn't already.

The racing is already better. They just need more exposure.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Anyway, unpopular opinion time: CART between 1997 and 2001 was better than F1 at the time. And I believe in a few years time, IndyCar will be better than F1 overall, if it isn't already.

The racing is already better. They just need more exposure.

seconded
They Should Have a Tv Deal with Channel 4 or BBC 2 here in britain because as of next year, they will be the most powerful single seaters in the world and the series with the better racing which proves my point all along, F1 needs ground effect

Bruno Senna deserves an Indycar seat.

darkapprentice77 wrote:Bruno Senna deserves an Indycar seat.

Probably. But I'd rather see him in the WEC, I think he's best suited there.

roblomas52 wrote:F1 needs ground effect

No. For me, absolutely not. It'd make the cars unique, but the cars would be too fast.

darkapprentice77 wrote:Bruno Senna deserves an Indycar seat.

If he wants to stay in single seaters. Otherwise, no. The WEC is good for him in my opinion.

go_Rubens wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:F1 needs ground effect

No. For me, absolutely not. It'd make the cars unique, but the cars would be too fast.

Even if it was implemented on a mild scale like Indy car?

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Yannick wrote:Dale Coyne Racing is currently one of the best teams in IndyCar. When they don't have a pay driver in their 2nd car, both cars can win races.

It's a shame Newman/Haas, Dreyer & Reinbold, HVM and Conquest Racing will most likely never return to IndyCar competition as standalone entries because of the Lotus debacle. Bahar parked their cars.

Cars with "rogue sponsors" will not win anything: just look at the results of the National Guard car and the Nuclear Energy car.

Are you saying that the drivers of those "rogue sponsors" have to be of a lower quality as to not win?

No, definitely not. It's all just been a thing of luck and the teams' own design. Just look at the people who got to drive the National Guard car: all very skilled drivers who didn't win in this car either. And Simona, well, maybe she could win with other people surrounding her, and another sponsor.

I'm saying sometimes, when a driver does not seem to be able to win in a certain car, and changing the car/team combination does not help, changing management/sponsorship in addition to that might.

But sometimes, even that does not help, when you look at what's been going on in Bourdais' corner: He couldn't win with Coyne whilst Wilson and Conway both did. He should have gotten a better ride than Dragon.

Mears > Foyt.

Remember, Rick was seperated by a having one more Indy win by less then a car length.

All touring car championships should use the same regulations as V8 Supercars, just like how they all used to use Super Touring.

Dark77 wrote:All touring car championships should use the same regulations as V8 Supercars, just like how they all used to use Super Touring.

Absolutely no way that would work as V8 Supercars are a lot bigger that conventional touring cars. But I would love to see DTM using the V8 Supercar regulations

Dark77 wrote:Mears > Foyt.

Remember, Rick was seperated by a having one more Indy win by less then a car length.

Mears didn't win his first in a front engine car just to win the other three in a rear engine configuration.

Dark77 wrote:All touring car championships should use the same regulations as V8 Supercars, just like how they all used to use Super Touring.

That won't work. I think such regulations would be slightly expensive for series like the BTCC or the STCC.

I'd like to see a mix between the old Group A regulations and the GTE/3 regulations. Basically Group A without homologation specials but slightly more advanced aerodynamics. The cars should also not be balanced by BoP, but by fuel mileage. Last but not least: The WTCC should become the enduro series it once was, whereas the various national championships should be sprint series as ever.

Ferrarist wrote:

Dark77 wrote:All touring car championships should use the same regulations as V8 Supercars, just like how they all used to use Super Touring.

That won't work. I think such regulations would be slightly expensive for series like the BTCC or the STCC.

I'd like to see a mix between the old Group A regulations and the GTE/3 regulations. Basically Group A without homologation specials but slightly more advanced aerodynamics. The cars should also not be balanced by BoP, but by fuel mileage. Last but not least: The WTCC should become the enduro series it once was, whereas the various national championships should be sprint series as ever.

Please keep sportscar racing stuff away from touring car racing. They should be kept as distant as possible. Putting GTE/GT3 regulations would only make touring car racing closer to sports car racing which is IMO, very bad.

FMecha wrote:Putting GTE/GT3 regulations would only make touring car racing closer to sports car racing which is IMO, very bad.

Shouldn't every motorsport be unique in its own, stands out way?

go_Rubens wrote:

FMecha wrote:Putting GTE/GT3 regulations would only make touring car racing closer to sports car racing which is IMO, very bad.

Shouldn't every motorsport be unique in its own, stands out way?

May explain why DTM is far different compared to BTCC

Paul O'Neill is more than capable of beating all bar the top 6 or 7 in BTCC and is criminally under-rated by team bosses

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Paul O'Neill is more than capable of beating all bar the top 6 or 7 in BTCC and is criminally under-rated by team bosses

It's the same problem a lot of drivers have - he doesn't have enough money. A massive shame, since he's a super guy and as you say, very talented.

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Paul O'Neill is more than capable of beating all bar the top 6 or 7 in BTCC and is criminally under-rated by team bosses

He could have done big things in 2004. Until he had to give up the drive due to diabeetus.

Didn't stop him getting onto a recent Top Gear, though...

Super Touring did more harm to the BTCC than good. It led to the situation when the manufacturers were sinking ridiculous funds into the series, which screwed all of the privateer entries (apart from Matt Neal's team) which the series had relied upon for many years. And of course, then all the manufacturers bar Vauxhall upped sticks and left in 1999-2000, causing the Vauxhall domination of 2001-2004, where their BTC-T Astra Coupe was so much more advanced than anything else on the grid (remember those pitiful Peugeots and Alfas during the 2001 season?). This is why I prefer the BTCC as it is now, or as it was back in 1992, because the privateers are now in a better state than they were.

That said though, it must have been awe-inspiring to watch the BTCC in 1997-1998, with all of the world-class drivers that were in the series...

East Londoner wrote:(remember those pitiful Peugeots and Alfas during the 2001 season?)

Dude! Harsh! We tried our best, we just didn't have enough money to develop the cars as much as Triple Eight.

Faustus wrote:

East Londoner wrote:(remember those pitiful Peugeots and Alfas during the 2001 season?)

Dude! Harsh! We tried our best, we just didn't have enough money to develop the cars as much as Triple Eight.

If it helps Faustus, I thought the Pugs were far prettier than the Astras

takagi_for_the_win wrote:

Faustus wrote:

East Londoner wrote:(remember those pitiful Peugeots and Alfas during the 2001 season?)

Dude! Harsh! We tried our best, we just didn't have enough money to develop the cars as much as Triple Eight.

If it helps Faustus, I thought the Pugs were far prettier than the Astras

It does. Thank you. Unfortunately they were considerably less aerodynamic and heavier.

I've just googled it and I think the 307 looks really nice.

My unpopular opinion is i think there should be a new catagorie in the btcc for more dtm style cars with more aero and 300hp and the ngtc cars get bigger engines(I've seen the ngtc engines in Rob Austin's Audi and the engine looked lost in the engine bay) e.g 2.9 L holeshot racing H-1 v8 450hp

roblomas52 wrote:I've just googled it and I think the 307 looks really nice.

My unpopular opinion is i think there should be a new catagorie in the btcc for more dtm style cars with more aero and 300hp and the ngtc cars get bigger engines(I've seen the ngtc engines in Rob Austin's Audi and the engine looked lost in the engine bay) e.g 2.9 L holeshot racing H-1 v8 450hp

It was the 406 Coupe

And no. Just no.

Jason Plato is the best BTCC driver