Grand Prix Rejects

roblomas52 wrote:If Osella haven't been taken, may I please have them

Sorry, but all teams are already taken. Maybe next season you can compete because there will be new teams.

pycku wrote:Should we just name the engines or put bids? Cause some people (including me after an edit to my post) put some offers to engine suppliers, and other just give a list of engines.

You should bid for the engines!!
At the moment every team who only named the engines will pay the list price of the engine they get, but the teams which give higher bids will have higher chances of getting an engine !

Hermann95 wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:If Osella haven't been taken, may I please have them

Sorry, but all teams are already taken. Maybe next season you can compete because there will be new teams.

Ok cheers for that mate

Dallara has just PM the engine bid

Thanks to Dallara

when is the deadline and when engine deals will be announced?

Why do I have a feeling that Hermann is Flaschenpost?

Shizuka wrote:Why do I have a feeling that Hermann is Flaschenpost?

I wouldn't complain about it... From what I've heard, the Flaschenpost series was one of the better ones on here

Hermann, I too sent the bids few hours ago.

takagi_for_the_win wrote:

Shizuka wrote:Why do I have a feeling that Hermann is Flaschenpost?

I wouldn't complain about it... From what I've heard, the Flaschenpost series was one of the better ones on here

He essentially coined the driver bidding system which many of our series now use.

Shizuka wrote:Why do I have a feeling that Hermann is Flaschenpost?

Having done a bit of research, Flaschenpost listed his age as 30, while I suspect Hermann was born in 1995, due to the 95 in his username. Just call me Inspector Clouseau

No complaints here, just the setup for the series reminded me of him And you might be right there.

Hey,
the engine selection is over. Every team anounced there engines bids, except Osella. They will recieve the Ford('89 spec) engines.
Now the teams will finally make the deals with the engine suppliers.

Ferrari Ferrari had no other choice as to go with there own engines, so they will recieve them for 12m$.

Honda 3 Teams knocked at the door of honda . Meclaren(25m$), Benneton(15m$) and Leyton House(15m$). In case of money and long term relationship Meclaren's chance is ingredibly high(95%) to make this deal. Chance for Benneton is 4% and 1% for Leyton House.
1-95...Meclaren
96-99...Benneton
100...Leyton House
33... Meclaren will recieve Honda power this year.

Ford('90 spec) the Ford work engine is very popular. 8 Teams are interrested in this deal. Arrows(11m$), Leyton House(10m$), Benneton(10m$), Minardi(10m$), Tyrell(10m$), Larrousse(10m$), Dallara(7m$) and Eurobrun(10m$). The best chances will have Benneton(35%) and Arrows(25%). Tyrell will have a chance of 20% followed by Minardi with 10%. 4% for Leyton House and Larrousse and 1% for Dallara and Eurobrun.
1-35...Benneton
36-60---Arrows
61-80...Tyrell
81-90...Minardi
91-94...Leyton House
95-98...Larrousse
99...Dallara
100...Eurobrun
74Tyrell is in first position for this deal, but Tyrell will more likely take Renault engines if the can catch them. In case they can catch them the Ford('90 spec) engines will be taken by another team. So lets wait for this.

Renault a very popular engine again. 7 bids for this engine. Renault will supply 2 Teams, but they want to have the money for their engines. Eurobrun and Dallara both don't have the money to effort this engines at this time. Renault isn't very happy with that and therefor won't singn a deal with this teams.
Under this circumstances 5 Teams will compete for 2 engines deals. Williams(14m$),Tyrell(12m$), Brabham(12m$), Benneton(12m$) and Lotus(12m$). The Chances are like this: Williams(50%), Benneton(20%),Tyrell(10%),Lotus(10%),Brabham(10%).
1-50...Williams
51-70...Benneton
71-80...Tyrell
81-90...Lotus
91-100...Brabham
16...Williams will go another year with Renault. The second Team will be:
1-40...Benneton
41-60...Tyrell
61-81...Lotus
81-100...Brabham
42 Tyrell will recieve french power this season.
In this case the Ford('90 Spec) engines are free again and anotother team can take them home:
Ford('90Spec) Round 2:
1-45...Benneton
46-75...Arrows
76-89...Minardi
90-94...Leyton House
95-97...Larrouse
98-99...Dallara
100...Eurobrun
46...Arrows will take the new Ford work engine home.
More in the next post

Hermann95 wrote:Meclaren

It's actually spelled McLaren.

Lamborghini 8 Teams wanna have this engine, but only 2 can get the italian powerhouse. Teams which are interested in this engine:
Lotus(5m$), Leyton House(5m$), AGS(6m$), Dallara(7m$), Minardi(5m$), Coloni(5m$), Eurobrun(5m$), Onyx(7m$)
Chances: Onyx(20%),Dallara(20%), AGS(15%), Lotus(15%), Minardi(10%), Leyton House(10%), Coloni(5%), Eurobrun(5%)
1-20...Onyx
21-40...Dallara
41-55...AGS
56-70...Lotus
71-80...Minardi
81-90...Leyton House
91-95...Coloni
96-100...Eurobrun
51...AGS is in first position for this engine, but they are in favour to take Judd engines. So, same situation as with Tyrell and the Ford('90 spec).
The second engine will go to:
1-20...Onyx
21-40...Dallara
41-55...Lotus
56-65...Minardi
66-75...Leyton House
76-80...Coloni
81-85...Eurobrun
43...Lotus. Same situation as with AGS. We have to wait.

Judd
Judd can provied power for 3 Teams, but only one will recieve free updates during the season. The first team which signs the deal with Judd will get this package. 7 Teams would like to get this engine and every of them is hungry for the free update package. But who will get it? Let's see the bids:
Lotus (6m$), Leyton House (6m$), AGS(7m$), Dallara(7m$), Minardi(6m$), Coloni(6m$), Onyx(5m$)
Chances: Dallara(25%), AGS(20%), Lotus(20%), Minardi(15%), Leyton House(10%), Onyx(5%), Coloni(5%)
1-25...Dallara
26-45...AGS
46-65...Lotus
66-80...Minardi
81-90...Leyton House
91-95...Onyx
96-100...Coloni
57...Lotus will take Judd engine and will recieve free updates during the season.
Next Team:
1-25...Dallara
26-45...AGS
46-60...Minardi
61-70...Leyton House
71-75...Onyx
76-80...Coloni
79...Coloni be Judd powered this season.
Last Team:
1-25...Dallara
26-45...AGS
46-60...Minardi
61-70...Leyton House
71-75...Onyx
57...Minardi could have this engine but they also will have a chance to take the Lamborghini engine which wasnt taken by Lotus. We have to wait again...

Lamborghini Round 2
5 Teams are competing again:
1-20...Onyx
21-40...Dallara
41-50...Minardi
51-60...Leyton House
61-65...Eurobrun
37... Dallara will drive with Lamborghini engines this year.

Ford('89spec)
All teams which dont have an engine supplier until now and all times which bid for the engine with a higher preverence will be suplied by Ford with that engine.
This Teams are: Brabham, Osella, Leyton House, Benneton, Ligier, Larrousse, Euro Brun and Onyx

List of teams with engine suppliers and updated budgets will follow.

Salamander wrote:

Hermann95 wrote:Meclaren

It's actually spelled McLaren.

Sorry, it's 4 in the mornign for me.....

Team, Budget, Engine, Engine costs

Ferrari 33m$ Ferrari 12m$
Tyrell 13m$ Renault 12m$
Williams 26m$ Renault 14m$
Brabham 12m$ Ford(89) 3m$
Footwork Arrows 4m$ Ford(90) 11m$
Lotus 13m$ Judd 6m$
Osella 6m$ Ford(89) 3m$
Leyton House 17m$ Ford(89) 3m$
AGS 10m$ Lamborghini 6m$
Benneton 27m$ Ford(89) 3m$
BMS-Dallara 2m$ Lamborghini 7m$
Minardi 6m$ Judd 6m$
Ligier 10m$ Ford(89) 3m$
Mclaren 25m$ Honda 25m$
Larrousse 17m$ Ford(89) 3m$
Coloni 1m$ Judd 6m$
Euro Brun 5m$ Ford(89) 3m$
Onyx 7m$ Ford(89) 3m$

Hey,
sorry for posting that much in the middle of the night but i can't sleep.
Now one of the best parts will follow.

Drivers
For the drivers i have created a list of drivers who are available. Now you have to choose at least one driver for your team. If you only choose one driver you will only run one car during the season. You can choose a maximum of 3 drivers(driver 1,2, Test driver).
The salarie is up to you, but as there will be much competition for the top drivers you have to pay much for them. But lets stick to sum rules:
15m$ is the maximum salarie. You can send any driver a request if he would "like" to pay for a cockpit in yourteam. The RNG will answer.
You can bid for as much drivers as you like, but please post it like this:

Mclaren:
Ayrton Senna, 1st driver, 15m$
Gerhard Berger, 2nd driver, 10m$
Alain Prost, Test driver, Pay 1m$
.
.
.

and please post it in order of preference.
Any post with no salary offered for a driver or no role for the driver(1st,2nd,t) will be ignored
You will have time until the 25.July 20:00 EEST(Maybe if many teams dont have selected their drivers there will be more time )

PS: And please post your Tyre supplier! Goodyear 500k and Pirelli 300k.

Aguri Suzuki
Alain Prost
Alessandro Nannini
Alex Caffi
Allan McNish
Andrea de Cesaris
Andrea Montermini
Ayrton Senna
Bernd Schneider
Bertrand Gachot
Bruno Giacomelli
Claudio Langes
David Brabham
Derek Warwick
Eddi Irvine
Emanuele Pirro
Emmanuel Collard
Éric Bernard
Gabriele Tarquini
Gary Brabham
Gerhard Berger
Giani Morbidelli
Gregor Foitek
Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Ivan Capelli
Jean Alesi
JJ Lehto
Johnny Dumfries
Johnny Herbert
Jonathan Palmer
Karl Wendlinger
Mark Blundell
Martin Donnelly
Maurício Gugelmin
Michael Schumacher
Michele Alboreto
Nelson Piquet
Nicola Larini
Nigel Mansell
Olivier Grouillard
Paolo Barilla
Philippe Alliot
Pierluigi Martini
Riccardo Patrese
Roberto Moreno
Satoru Nakajima
Stefan Johansson
Stefano Modena
Thierry Boutsen
Yannick Dalmas
Erik Comas
Eric Bernard
Marco Apicella
Eric van de Poele
Andrea Chiesa
Thomas Danielsson
Fabrizio Giovanardi

Hermann95 wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:If Osella haven't been taken, may I please have them

Sorry, but all teams are already taken. Maybe next season you can compete because there will be new teams.

I understand. If that goes on for 1991, I would like to take an interest on Jordan, please

We will use Goodyear tyres. Are there any other expenditure in this game (apart from engine, tires and drivers), so should I save some money or spend all I have for drivers?


Btw I would have added Martin Brundle to the list of drivers, too.

Also what happens if I choose only 3 drivers and some (or all) do not accept my offer?

Pierluigi Martini, 1st 5m$
Ivan Capelli, 2nd 5m$
Roberto Moreno, TD 2m$

Also, Larrousse signs with Pirelli.

1st driver
Derek Warwick 5M
Nicola Larini 4M
Ivan Capelli 4M
Michele Alboreto 5M

2nd driver
Jean Alesi 3M
Roberto Moreno 2M
Bertrand Gachot 1,5M
Martin Donnelly 1M

TD
Erik Comas 0,5M
Emmanuel Collard Free
Andrea Chiesa bring 0,5M



Goodyear tyres 0,5M

Stefan Johansson 1m, 1st driver
Gregor Foitek 1m (on insistence of Karl Foitek), 2nd driver
Goodyear tires 500k

Brabham signs with Pirelli

Here are our offers for drivers:
Alain Prost - 1st driver - $10,000,000
Gerhard Berger - 1st driver - $6,000,000
Andrea de Cesaris - 1st driver - $2,000,000
Eric van de Poele - 2nd driver - Asked to bring $2,000,000 in sponsorship
Gary Brabham - 2nd driver - Asked to bring $2,000,000 in sponsorship
Eddie Irvine - 2nd driver - Asked to bring $2,000,000 in sponsorship
Heinz-Harald Frentzen - Reserve driver - $500,000
Aguri Suzuki - Reserve driver - $500,000
Thomas Danielsson - Reserve driver - $500,000

I'll run the Goodyear tires as well while in terms of drivers

Nelson Piquet £10,000,000 First Driver
Thierry Boutsen £5,000,000 Second Driver
Goodyear tires 500K

Settled

EuroBrun:

Derek Warwick, 1st driver, 6m$
Heinz-Harald Frentzen, 1st driver, 4m$

Allan McNish, 2nd driver, 2m$
Eddie Irvine, 2nd driver, 2m$

Éric Bernard, Test driver, 1m$
JJ Lehto, Test driver, 1m$

Tyres: Goodyear 500k$

What engine do I get?

Tyrell Driver Choices
First Driver
Nigel Mansell-$7M
Nelson Piquet -$7M
Gerhard Berger -$6m
Thierry Boutsen-$5M

Second Driver
Martin Brundle -$2M
Jean Alesi-$2m
Micheal Shumacher $0.5M

Test Driver
Eddie Irvine $0.5M
Fabrizio Giovarnadi $0.5M
Allan Mcnish $0.5M

Tyres - Goodyear

pycku wrote:We will use Goodyear tyres. Are there any other expenditure in this game (apart from engine, tires and drivers), so should I save some money or spend all I have for drivers?


Btw I would have added Martin Brundle to the list of drivers, too.

Also what happens if I choose only 3 drivers and some (or all) do not accept my offer?

First of all, yes there will be testing sensions during the season in which you can upgrade your car. They will cost 500k for each testing day. You can also develop some high technical upgrades like active suspension, sequentiel gearboxes or traction control. Im currently working on this system but i think it will be done until the driver selection is done. Upgrades like this will probably cost about 2-5m$.

If no drivers wanna choin your team you have to bid again.

They teams of Onyx(FMecha) and Ferrari(Freeze-O-Kimi) have to edit or repost their driver bids in order to set the roles for their drivers!
Odderwise the bids from this teams will be ignored!

Williams will sign with Goodyear. Our targeted drivers are:

1st driver
1. Thierry Boutsen ($7.5 million)
2. Alessandro Nannini ($6 million)
3. Jean Alesi ($4 million)

2nd driver
1. Jean Alesi ($3.5 million)
2. Ivan Capelli ($3 million)
3. Stefano Modena ($3 million)

Test driver
1. Mika Hakkinen ($750k)
2. Stefano Modena ($1.5 million)
3. Karl Wendlinger ($500k)

Hermann95 wrote:They teams of Onyx(FMecha) and Ferrari(Freeze-O-Kimi) have to edit or repost their driver bids in order to set the roles for their drivers!
Odderwise the bids from this teams will be ignored!

Sorted. Also stumped up the cash for Boutsen

Benetton will sign with Goodyear for 1990

First driver
1. Ayrton Senna ($12 million)
2. Alain Prost ($12 million)
3. Nigel Mansell ($10 million)
4. Nelson Piquet ($8 million)
5. Alessandro Nanninni ($8 million)
6. Gerhard Berger ($7 million)

Second driver
1. Alessandro Nanninni ($5 million)
2. Gerhard Berger ($5 million)
3. Thierry Boutsen ($4 million)
4. Jean Alesi ($4 million)
5. Roberto Moreno ($3 million)
6. Michael Schumacher ($3 million)
7. Heinz-Harald Frentzen ($1.5 million)

Test driver
1. Michael Schumacher ($2 million)
2. Pierluigi Martini ($2 million)
3. Johnny Herbert ($1.5 million)
4. Eddie Irvine (we wish for him to bring at least $500k of sponsorship)
5. Stefano Modena ($500k)
6. Allan McNish ($500k)
7. David Brabham (we wish for him to bring at least $500k of sponsorship)

Dallara will go with Goodyear rubber

First Driver (500K regular salary. To discuss depending of the driver own fundings)
1)Andrea de Cesaris
2)Gabriele Tarquini
3)Mauricio Gugelmin

Second Driver (500K regular salary. To discuss depending of the driver own fundings)
1)Eric van der Poele
2)Nicola Larini
3)Pierluigi Martini

Test Driver (Bring at least 1.5M)
Gary Brabham
Andrea Chiesa
Bruno Giacomelli

Minardi would like to sign with Pirelli.

Driver 1
1. Nelson Piquet $5m
2. Thierry Boutsen $4m
3. Michele Alboreto $4m
4. Pierluigi Martini $3m
5. Stefano Modena $3m

Driver 2 (No preference, just whichever of these drivers can offer the most personal funding.)
Fabrizio Giovanardi
Andrea Montermini
Marco Apicella
Paolo Barilla
Claudio Langes
Giovana Amati
Antonio Tamburini
Pedro Chaves
Jean Dennis-Deletraz
Giovanni Bonnano
Giovanni Aloi

Test Driver
Whichever of the above drivers fails to get a seat anywhere.

Leyton House pick Pirelli.

First driver
1. Ivan Capelli ($8m)
2. Roberto Moreno ($5m)
3. Erik Comas ($2.5m)

Second driver
1. Riccardo Patrese ($4m)
2. Mauricio Gugelmin ($2.5m)
3. Aguri Suzuki ($1m)

Test driver
1. Eric Bernard ($1.5m)
2. Marco Apicella ($0.5m)

Arrows are interested in some drivers such as Alessandro Nannini, Jean Alesi, Andrea de Cesaris and others. Further information is sent to their managers

AGS Bids

Driver 1
1. Bertrand Gachot ($750k)
2. Aguri Suzuki (asked to bring $500k)
3. Alex Caffi ($500k)

Driver 2
1. Heinz-Harald Frentzen (asked to bring $500k)
2. Johnny Dumfries (asked to bring $2m, he's certainly got that down the back of his sofa)
3. Philippe Alliot (asked to bring $500k)

Test/Reserve Driver
1. Emmanuel Collard (asked to bring $500k)
2. Andrea Montermini (asked to bring $500k)
3. Olivier Grouillard (asked to bring $500k)

Tyres:
Goodyear ($500k)

Lotus

1st driver
Michele Alboreto - $ 4 million
Gerhard Berger - $6 million
Ricardo Patrese - $4 million
Pierluigi Martini - $3 million
Alessandro Nannini - $ 4 millio
Eric van de Poele - $2 million

2nd Driver
Eric van de Poele - $2 million
Any driver who will bring $2million worth of sponsorship to the team

Test Driver
Any driver who will bring $1 million worth of sponsorship to the team

Lotus will rely on Goodyear rubber this year.