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Miguel98 wrote:So, from Carlos Sainz declarations we can only assume that Toro Rossi is using Ferrari engines from 2016 onwards.
http://www.thisisf1.com/2015/11/30/toro-rosso-to-be-more-italian-in-2016-f1-sainz/
Wallio wrote:Miguel98 wrote:So, from Carlos Sainz declarations we can only assume that Toro Rossi is using Ferrari engines from 2016 onwards.
http://www.thisisf1.com/2015/11/30/toro-rosso-to-be-more-italian-in-2016-f1-sainz/
NBC has reported this as well. Supposedly RBR will run rebadged Renaults next year as well. NBC claims they will be badged as Red Bulls, but I would guess Infinitis.
Ataxia wrote:Wallio wrote:Miguel98 wrote:So, from Carlos Sainz declarations we can only assume that Toro Rossi is using Ferrari engines from 2016 onwards.
http://www.thisisf1.com/2015/11/30/toro-rosso-to-be-more-italian-in-2016-f1-sainz/
NBC has reported this as well. Supposedly RBR will run rebadged Renaults next year as well. NBC claims they will be badged as Red Bulls, but I would guess Infinitis.
Christian Horner's said that "Ron Dennis won't like what it's called". So, that leaves two options:
Simtek wrote:Apparently, the Force India-Aston Martin linkup is close to being finalised: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122096
Rob Dylan wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122103
21 races confirmed for next year. Jesus, that's just too many.
And Autosport's saying the American Grand Prix's the only one that's in any way under threat.
Rob Dylan wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122103
21 races confirmed for next year. Jesus, that's just too many.
And Autosport's saying the American Grand Prix's the only one that's in any way under threat.
Fetzie wrote:Maybe if they didn't host the race in Austin in the bathplugging HURRICANE SEASON...
James1978 wrote:I'm actually hoping Baku doesn't happen rather than Austin!!
AustralianStig wrote:James1978 wrote:I'm actually hoping Baku doesn't happen rather than Austin!!
I'm quite looking forward to Baku - it sounds like one of the most un-Tilke Tilke circuits ever.
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Rob Dylan wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122103
21 races confirmed for next year. Jesus, that's just too many.
And Autosport's saying the American Grand Prix's the only one that's in any way under threat.
Twenty-one races in eight months. That'll be... interesting.
AndreaModa wrote:Fetzie wrote:Maybe if they didn't host the race in Austin in the bathplugging HURRICANE SEASON...
Would moving it to the spring help in that respect? It's where it is because of Brazil (and now Mexico) being late in the season which makes for a logical and efficient run of events in the same region.
But perhaps it's worth shifting all three to the early part of the season, as they were in the early 90s. So maybe you could have the beginning of the calendar look like this:
Australia
(possibly Malaysia, so it's not next to Singapore later in the year)
Brazil
Mexico
USA
Then onto the European leg, and shift Bahrain to a September/October date. Everything else as normal.
Would that mitigate the weather problems?
AndreaModa wrote:Fetzie wrote:Maybe if they didn't host the race in Austin in the bathplugging HURRICANE SEASON...
Would moving it to the spring help in that respect? It's where it is because of Brazil (and now Mexico) being late in the season which makes for a logical and efficient run of events in the same region.
But perhaps it's worth shifting all three to the early part of the season, as they were in the early 90s. So maybe you could have the beginning of the calendar look like this:
Australia
(possibly Malaysia, so it's not next to Singapore later in the year)
Brazil
Mexico
USA
Then onto the European leg, and shift Bahrain to a September/October date. Everything else as normal.
Would that mitigate the weather problems?
Izzyeviel wrote:Too soon to start the 2017 silly season thread? I'm quite tempted to make one considering the news that Mercedes are thinking about dropping Nico.
Spectoremg wrote:Izzyeviel wrote:Too soon to start the 2017 silly season thread? I'm quite tempted to make one considering the news that Mercedes are thinking about dropping Nico.
I saw this story in a couple of papers today. What's going on all you in depth analysts?
Rob Dylan wrote:I don't even understand how the "branding" even works. Is it simply a name stuck on a Renault engine, or does TAG have some kind of input into the engine itself?
FullMetalJack wrote:Rob Dylan wrote:I don't even understand how the "branding" even works. Is it simply a name stuck on a Renault engine, or does TAG have some kind of input into the engine itself?
Just a name. Do you think Acer had any input into the Ferrari engine Prost used in 2001? Or Petronas having any input into the Ferrari engines that Sauber used for years?
Rob Dylan wrote:I don't even understand how the "branding" even works. Is it simply a name stuck on a Renault engine, or does TAG have some kind of input into the engine itself?
peteroli34 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122128
So Red Bull will run Tag Heuer branded Renualt engines for 2016. The question is who do they complain about if the engine ends up as bad as it was this year
peteroli34 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122128
So Red Bull will run Tag Heuer branded Renualt engines for 2016. The question is who do they complain about if the engine ends up as bad as it was this year
Izzyeviel wrote:peteroli34 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122128
So Red Bull will run Tag Heuer branded Renualt engines for 2016. The question is who do they complain about if the engine ends up as bad as it was this year
Depends how much cash Red Bull are willing to throw at them. Both Renault and Ilmor know what they're doing, but they don't have the resources to compete with Ferrari or Mercedes I fear.
dr-baker wrote:Izzyeviel wrote:peteroli34 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122128
So Red Bull will run Tag Heuer branded Renualt engines for 2016. The question is who do they complain about if the engine ends up as bad as it was this year
Depends how much cash Red Bull are willing to throw at them. Both Renault and Ilmor know what they're doing, but they don't have the resources to compete with Ferrari or Mercedes I fear.
One thing that confuses me about this is that I thought Mercedes had bought out Ilmor some years ago (maybe about 10 years ago?) and had renamed it Mercedes High Performance Engines (or something along those lines). Did Mercedes sell up again to Mario Illien, or did the deal fall through, or did I just imagine all that?
Shizuka wrote:Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari (with 2015 spec engines)
CaptainGetz12 wrote:Shizuka wrote:Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari (with 2015 spec engines)
I am curious on how they can get last-year's engines. Isn't the FIA discouraging these deals in favor of everyone using brand-new engines? This article may suggest a change of heart from the FIA.
Marussia used 2014-spec Ferraris this year as part of their settlement to leave administration. Does Toro Rosso have a similar settlement that I may have missed?
mario wrote:dr-baker wrote:One thing that confuses me about this is that I thought Mercedes had bought out Ilmor some years ago (maybe about 10 years ago?) and had renamed it Mercedes High Performance Engines (or something along those lines). Did Mercedes sell up again to Mario Illien, or did the deal fall through, or did I just imagine all that?
The confusion arises because Illien has been reusing the "Ilmor Engineering" brand name for his current company, even though it no longer has any ties with Mercedes.
In the early 2000's, Illien set up a specialist group within Ilmor that was known as the Special Projects Group, which eventually grew to become a semi-independent business operating under Ilmor Engineering. When Mercedes purchased Ilmor, Illien was allowed to retain ownership of the Special Projects Group and the "Ilmor Engineering" brand. He then renamed the Special Projects Group "Ilmor Engineering", which is the company which exists to this day.
The rest of the original company is still owned by Mercedes and was renamed as Mercedes High Performance Engines - what Illien has is a small chunk of the original company that has retained its original name.
