Unpopular F1 opinions

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 04 Jun 2012, 21:14

AdrianSutil wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:If the BAR's in 1999 were more reliable they could've scored a few points or even a podium.

Pretty certain that's a fact. Just off-hand I recall Villeneuve was on for 5th before the car broke down.

Would've defienetly scored at Australia, Spain, Imola maybe, Nurburgring too. Didn't he record his first classified finish at Spa?! Awful reliability for a team 'that would win the first race'.

They only miss predicted themselves by ten years......

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 04 Jun 2012, 21:59

WeirdKerr wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Would've defienetly scored at Australia, Spain, Imola maybe, Nurburgring too. Didn't he record his first classified finish at Spa?! Awful reliability for a team 'that would win the first race'.

They only miss predicted themselves by ten years......

And an owner change...

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 04 Jun 2012, 22:18

DanielPT wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:They only miss predicted themselves by ten years......

And an owner change...

And multiple driver and personnel changes...

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 05 Jun 2012, 01:07

Klon wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:They only miss predicted themselves by ten years......

And an owner change...

And multiple driver and personnel changes...

Not to mention a few engine changes as well

Post by **mario** » 05 Jun 2012, 16:16

JeremyMcClean wrote:I doubt this is an unpopular opinion, but I'll post it anyway - Jacques should have abandoned BAR after 1999 and try and recover his career.

Depends whether he could have found another team that would have had a free seat and been willing to take him on - who else might have been reasonably competitive and could have offered him a seat at the end of the season if he wished to switch?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 05 Jun 2012, 16:38

mario wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I doubt this is an unpopular opinion, but I'll post it anyway - Jacques should have abandoned BAR after 1999 and try and recover his career.

Depends whether he could have found another team that would have had a free seat and been willing to take him on - who else might have been reasonably competitive and could have offered him a seat at the end of the season if he wished to switch?

Not to mention someone willing to pay his former champion type of fees.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 05 Jun 2012, 16:55

DanielPT wrote:
mario wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I doubt this is an unpopular opinion, but I'll post it anyway - Jacques should have abandoned BAR after 1999 and try and recover his career.

Depends whether he could have found another team that would have had a free seat and been willing to take him on - who else might have been reasonably competitive and could have offered him a seat at the end of the season if he wished to switch?

Not to mention someone willing to pay his former champion type of fees.

And to put up with his 'music' :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 06 Jun 2012, 10:23

Having heard it again for the first time in years last week, Tthe old Ten Motorsport theme is just as good, if not better than the Chain. (Although, the intial version for F1 is debatable at best)

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 06 Jun 2012, 10:29

Wizzie wrote:Having heard it again for the first time in years last week, Tthe old Ten Motorsport theme is just as good, if not better than the Chain. (Although, the intial version for F1 is debatable at best)

My unpopular opinion?

This is better than both of them.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 06 Jun 2012, 15:11

kostas22 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Having heard it again for the first time in years last week, Tthe old Ten Motorsport theme is just as good, if not better than the Chain. (Although, the intial version for F1 is debatable at best)

My unpopular opinion?

This is better than both of them.

For once I actually agree with you on something Kostas22. I would be really unpopular and say that it is as good as The Chain, in a different way (although it doesn't have quite the same drama to it). ITV's Jamiroquai one really sucked though.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 06 Jun 2012, 17:42

I know I'll get hated for this, but this is my favourite.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 06 Jun 2012, 18:20

darkapprentice77 wrote:I know I'll get hated for this, but this is my favourite.

Indeed you will. I actually think the song is ok, I even like most of Moby's stuff, but it's totally unsuitable for an F1 Intro. In terms of UK F1 intros, that would come dead last in my list. OK, maybe equal last with the 1997 ITV intro, which was a bit average.

Post by **mario** » 06 Jun 2012, 18:51

Thinking about a debate in another thread about Williams, I want to put this particular point out even if it may draw some flak - that instead of destroying the Williams F1 team, the FW33 may prove to be the car that helps save the Williams F1 team because it was such a failure.

For a number of years, the senior management of Williams had come under criticism from external parties over their marketing strategies, allocation of resources and weak aerodynamics (Frank Williams admitted after the BMW partnership broke up that the power of BMW's engines had partially masked the slight deficit they had in aero development compared to other teams). Equally, the team had been slowly bleeding talent for a number of years - take the fact that Bigois and Zander, two of their most senior designers, were poached by Honda, for example (where they ultimately helped create the BGP001), almost immediately after they joined the Williams team.
With a stake in the team being held by outside investors there was a growing pressure on the Williams board, but the underperforming FW33 forced the team into a position where it had to implement reforms. Without the indignity of seeing the team being humbled and finally bringing things to a head, I doubt that Williams would have made the reforms that have brought it far greater success this year.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 06 Jun 2012, 19:42

I don't think this year's Ferrari is quite as crap as everyone makes out, and I don't believe Massa is the true indicator of the car's performance. I think it is somewhere between the two drivers - Alonso is just more able to make the best of it, whereas Massa is clearly off-form and struggling with set up.

Ferrari knew they didn't have the best car, again, so have talked up how rubbish it is because it makes Alonso look good and they want to keep him sweet.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Jun 2012, 22:40

The Force India paint scheme is crap.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 06 Jun 2012, 23:17

This year's Sauber livery is their worst ever including BMW days.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 06 Jun 2012, 23:43

DanielPT wrote:This year's Sauber livery is their worst ever including BMW days.

I agree

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 07 Jun 2012, 00:27

eurobrun wrote:The Force India paint scheme is crap.

Disagree. The green and orange breaks up the white nicely:

It's better than this anyway:

and this:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Jun 2012, 01:14

I actually quite like the 2009 Force India livery. The 2008 one is crap, though.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jun 2012, 01:15

JeremyMcClean wrote:I actually quite like the 2009 Force India livery. The 2008 one is crap, though.

I quite liked the pre-season test livery they used before the 2008 season. They should have used that instead.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 07 Jun 2012, 02:51

Wizzie wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I actually quite like the 2009 Force India livery. The 2008 one is crap, though.

I quite liked the pre-season test livery they used before the 2008 season. They should have used that instead.

You mean this one?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jun 2012, 04:17

AdrianSutil wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I actually quite like the 2009 Force India livery. The 2008 one is crap, though.

I quite liked the pre-season test livery they used before the 2008 season. They should have used that instead.

You mean this one?

That's the one. It was fairly simple yet effective at the same time

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Jun 2012, 21:02

Holy crap, that looks bloody awesome. Now the 2009-12 livery looks like trash :lol:

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 07 Jun 2012, 21:27

For me, there is not enough green, and that Sahara logo looks bloody stupid plastered on the side of the car. You can't even see the Force India logo.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 11 Jun 2012, 15:16

The Gold Leaf Lotus was a better scheme than the JPS Lotus.

Post by **Londoner** » 11 Jun 2012, 15:55

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:The Gold Leaf Lotus was a better scheme than the JPS Lotus.

This.

Bruno Senna is useless and does not deserve to be in F1 on his own merits.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 11 Jun 2012, 16:18

East Londoner wrote:Bruno Senna is useless and does not deserve to be in F1 on his own merits.

That's not unpopular on here, but everywhere else it is.

Saying that, I do agree with you. If it weren't for his name, we'd still have Rubens Barrichello.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 11 Jun 2012, 16:22

Over-taking with DRS is so easy it makes the whole thing look silly.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 11 Jun 2012, 16:25

CoopsII wrote:Over-taking with DRS is so easy it makes the whole thing look silly.

Mika Salo thinks the same, he's very anti-DRS.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 11 Jun 2012, 19:51

Nuppiz wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Over-taking with DRS is so easy it makes the whole thing look silly.

Mika Salo thinks the same, he's very anti-DRS.

JV also thinks this as well. I disagree. Sometimes DRS is good, other times it is either too easy or completely ineffective! But the last race in Canada was good. I think they should put DRS in ge straights where you don't often see overtakes, like in Montreal, they could have put a DRS zone before turn 6 or before turn 8.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 11 Jun 2012, 22:12

East Londoner wrote:
Bruno Senna is useless and does not deserve to be in F1 on his own merits.

Disagree, with the exception of Spain and Canada I thonk he has done relatively well.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 12 Jun 2012, 01:18

eurobrun wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
Bruno Senna is useless and does not deserve to be in F1 on his own merits.

Disagree, with the exception of Spain and Canada I thonk he has done relatively well.

Well, his retirement in Spain wasn't entirely his fault... but I get your point. I don't flame him regularily, but I don't think he's the next Se... great driver.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 14 Jun 2012, 20:10

Sauber have currently the best driver pairing on the grid.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Jun 2012, 20:20

LellaLombardi wrote:Sauber have currently the best driver pairing on the grid.

Possibly, i'd say it's between 6 teams on who has the best driver pairing. Those 6 teams in no order obviously being

McLaren
Mercedes
Ferrari
Lotus
Sauber
Red Bull

Ferrari only being contenders on that list because Alonso is the clearly best driver in Formula 1.

The rest of them in order from 7th to 12th is:

Force India
Caterham
Marussia
Toro Rosso
Williams
HRT (Karthikeyan is that shite, that he drags PDLR down with him, who is nowhere near the worst driver on the grid)

Which brings me onto my unpopular opinion, Williams have produced their best car since at least 2007, possibly 2005, but their driver line-up is useless. (Yes I know Maldonado won a race, but Jacques Villeneuve was world champion for bathplug sake.)

Post by **Londoner** » 14 Jun 2012, 20:29

I find your latest signature an unpopular opinion as well.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Jun 2012, 20:41

East Londoner wrote:I find your latest signature an unpopular opinion as well.

Just because i'm not bored by Nick Heidfeld, I remember that being one of my many avatars.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Jun 2012, 21:04

Petrov is good enough to be in Formula 1 on merit.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 14 Jun 2012, 21:20

My order:

Sauber - If not the best pairing then certainly that with the greatest potential. Would like to see Kobayashi doing more to not be outshined by Perez. Personally I think Kobayashi is a very good driver, while Perez is possibly a great driver

Lotus - Quite possibly the best too - Raikkonen seems to be great only when his heart is in it. Jury still out on Grosjean but he is definitely getting there

Mercedes - should be the best, but I think Rosberg is in danger of becoming the new Mark Webber. Schumi could contribute if the car would let him

McLaren - yes, when both Lewis and Jenson are having a good day, which is pretty rare.

Red Bull - I rate Vettel higher than most people do on here. Webber is a spent force

Caterham - I'd actually put them up with Red Bull. Two quick drivers, and Petrov is less accident prone these days

Ferrari - As you say, very much being carried by Alonso. But the constructors championship is out of reach with only one effective points scorer

Force India - They have two drivers that I would put in the "good" category, with Di Resta maybe being in "Very good". I was so pleased to see Hulkenberg back in a race seat but he has been highly disappointing. Hard to say whether or not the car is letting them down

Toro Rosso - So far, a big mistake dropping Alguersuari in particular for their current pair. Vergne possibly edges it and might not get dropped as quickly as Ricciardo will

Marussia - Glock should be doing a Kovalainen here, but he isn't

HRT - They could do a lot worse than PDLR, they could do a lot better than Karthikeyan

Wiliams - Good car this year, shame it is getting crashed far too often by this pair. Quite frankly this pair are showing how far Williams have dived from they days when they only wanted the very best drivers, and however good a car they build they will continue to dive until they sort these muppets out

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 14 Jun 2012, 21:21

redbulljack14 wrote:Petrov is good enough to be in Formula 1 on merit.

Just about!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Jun 2012, 21:24

LellaLombardi wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Petrov is good enough to be in Formula 1 on merit.

Just about!

I feel he's pushing Kovalainen a bit more than Trulli was.

With the money he has as well, he's definitely an asset.