Grand Prix Rejects

tristan1117 wrote:

Autosport wrote:American Racing Conglomerate Finances in Confusion
In a press conference with ARC CEO Lyle Dalton, Lyle announced that ARC has put the F1RWRS arm of its corporation "on notice" at the moment because of apparent financial difficulties. ARC, a publicly traded company, released its quarterly earnings report last week. Earnings were up, but it appears that ARCF1 (the F1RWRS arm of the corporation) has a budget gap of three million dollars, roughly 2.5 credits. The question is, where did all that money go? ARCF1 has stated that the extra three million dollars were spent in miscellaneous expenses and in driver fees. ARCF1 has also stated that three million dollars is "small change" compared to ARC's total capital. Still, this is the second major scandal to hit the ARC team in two years (after the Tristan Jung debacle) and the leadership of the team has to be in question.

Warren Hughes wrote:So if car 18 is driven by a pay-driver for the rest of the season, I'll get maximum pay-driver money for that car?

Autosport wrote:Sebastian Groves returns to F1RWRS
Team Dofasco Racing confirmed that from the race for the Grand Prix of Mexico in the team Dofasco Racing will drive Sebastian Groves.Frenchman for some time been linked with the Polish team On returning to F1RWRS.the last time you rode in the Team ArrowTech the last two races of the season 2013, also competed for the position in 2014 but lost to Croatian Mirko Bosevicem.
Grzegosz Sobczyk:We are very pleased with the contracted Sebastian which is a very talented driver with whom we have good.

AndreaModa wrote:You get those changes I wrote on the previous page Aerond?

The Sun wrote:Four F1RWRS Non-Championship Races Confirmed

The F1RWRS Commission confirmed that we will get four official F1RWRS Grands Prix which will not count for the world championship.

The first one is the return of a classic, the English Grand Prix returns, the Castle Combe Circuit was granted an exception from the normal noise nuisance limitations, allowing the Grand Prix to take place. The event will take place during the free weekend between the British and German F1RWRS Grands Prix. 99 laps of high-speed action are coming your way.

The second one will be a new one, we will see the Baltic Sea Grand Prix joining the list of F1RWRS Grands Prix. The obvious equivalent of the North Sea Grand Prix will take place on the Finnish Alastaro Circuit and also be run over 99 laps. Just like the English Grand Prix, this race will use the free space between two championship Grands Prix, being set between the Mediterranean Grand Prix and the North Sea one.

Now the third one will be first of these four to take place after the season has ended. To celebrate the 30th anniversary of the creation of the now commonly used Grand Prix-Strecke, the Nürburgring will replace the missing F1 round with a F1RWRS event, the Luxembourg Grand Prix returns as the first F1RWRS endurance event. Ironically enough, the race is scheduled to take place on the Nordschleife. A special suspension package to allow F1RWRS cars to make the 84 laps (~ 1750 km) around the difficult circuit is currently being produced by Lola.

The final one is the first Spanish Grand Prix, run on the first or second weekend of 2015 on the infamous street circuit in Valencia, this event sponsored by New World Records and will be a special feature seeing a F3RWRS driver and a F1RWRS joining together to make the win. 74 laps of action on one of the few circuits that have earned a desired Reject Of The Race trophy.

Aerond wrote:I think we should have non-championship races only in the off-season, and that one in the off-season in Nurburgring would probably be in snowy conditions!

I wouldn´t do more than two or three of this, and I would also like to see our usual Indy Non-Championship race.

AndreaModa wrote:I'd like to see some of the old races we used to have in the championship revived as non-championship races. Obviously we still have the Bud 500, and the Surfers SuperPrix is now an event for the F3RWRS, so I like the idea of the English and Luxembourg GPs, less so the new races.

So my proposal would be:
Bud 500 as normal
English GP (or something similar)
Luxembourg GP at the Nurburgring

That's 3 races, which is more than enough in my opinion for the off-season, which is ages away yet anyway!

The Lukas wrote:Aerond:OK

Autosport wrote:Sebastian Groves returns to F1RWRS
Team Dofasco Racing confirmed that from the race for the Grand Prix of Mexico in the team Dofasco Racing will drive Sebastian Groves.Frenchman for some time been linked with the Polish team On returning to F1RWRS.the last time you rode in the Team ArrowTech the last two races of the season 2013, also competed for the position in 2014 but lost to Croatian Mirko Bosevicem.
Grzegosz Sobczyk:We are very pleased with the contracted Sebastian which is a very talented driver with whom we have good.

Sebastian Groves wrote:I'm happy to drive for Dofasco Racing, hopefully they shall give me a good car. I know they haven't scored a point this season but I hope that I can make that happen. I've gotten a lot of sponsors since my performance at Brazil last year, that should hopefully help the team. I'm very excited to meet the team in person - I just got the phone call today saying I'm in the seat.

Boring Press Release wrote:FOX BLAMES MR. FALIK'S NON APPEARANCES FOR ABYSMAL START
As ArrowTech's season unfolds, the first three races have only sprouted one point, in the recent race from Daniel Martins. Despite this, The Fox is still happy with both drivers' performance thus far this season, despite the fact that pre-season signing Mirko Bosevic has not had a good race so far. "It's not really their fault, it's the car for being rubbish." The Fox noted that he had a deal with Minardi to design their chassis for the season, until a contract dispute led to them signing for Jones Racing instead. "I'm not angry or upset, just baffled at Minardi for why they would not sign with us." Despite their shortcomings, The Fox is still optimistic about the future in the long term, but not for the season. "Right now," said The Fox, "we are currently planning each race one at a time and we shall focus on bringing the best out of the car considering the circumstances and moving on if there's a bad performance. We've got nobody to blame but ourselves. However," said The Fox, "it would be nice if Mr. Falik would show up more often to the races. I haven't seen him in person for weeks, and I know he's busy, planning all the promotional events, but he owns 50% of the team, and I expect him to at least attempt to show up at the next races. It would be very nice if he did show up."

Sammy Jones wrote:Yer snooze, yer loose Mr Fox!

AndreaModa wrote:

Sammy Jones wrote:Yer snooze, yer loose Mr Fox!

The Fox wrote:Shaddup, or I'll throw an essence of DNQ at you*! Maybe I'll get Prince Falik to put a voodoo curse on you guys...
*Referring to ArrowTech's early history of not qualfying in 2011 and especially 2012

dr-baker wrote:If we have more than two off-season races, could it be renamed as a Winter Series? After all, FRenault UK/GB has a Winter Series that is simply 3 races on one weekend at one track, I believe... (Or a couple of races over two weekends at two tracks, but you get the idea...). Like the old GP2 Asia Series.

Autosport wrote:MRT engine workshop opens to other teams

With the recent expansion of Melrose Racing Team's engine workshop in Cologne now complete, extra capacity has now been opened up for teams to use as a consultancy service for engine upgrades in the F1RWRS. While the F1RWRS Commission is yet to approve of the deal, MRT owner Daniel Melrose believes that it'll be beneficial to the sport. "While this is a considerable expense for us, we believe it'll reduce costs for the rest of the teams in the championship as well as improve the quality of the engines BMW produce for the F2RWRS and F3RWRS."

AdrianSutil wrote:So you'll basically have an extra 200 credits which you must use on the engine?

Wizzie wrote:Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

Klon wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

Why do the better teams get rewarded with cheaper updates? Isn't their advantage big enough as it is already?

AdrianSutil wrote:

dr-baker wrote:If we have more than two off-season races, could it be renamed as a Winter Series? After all, FRenault UK/GB has a Winter Series that is simply 3 races on one weekend at one track, I believe... (Or a couple of races over two weekends at two tracks, but you get the idea...). Like the old GP2 Asia Series.

I like the sound of that. A RWR winter Series. Also, if such a thing comes to frutition, can we maybe have a rule saying you must run Your team with aN F1 and F2/3RWRS drivers? Like an enduro with three drivers, one from each series.

Wizzie wrote:

Klon wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

Why do the better teams get rewarded with cheaper updates? Isn't their advantage big enough as it is already?

But teams outside the top 10 get the cheaper updates AND the free upgrade. But I do see your point, maybe the upgrade for teams in the top 10 should be halved to help alleviate that problem.

Aerond wrote:I´m in favour of helping non-top 10 teams, but I don´t see every team getting help, but only those outside top 10 should, or those not to reach a certain ammount of points during the year. Let´s develop this idea a little bit more

Wizzie wrote:

Aerond wrote:I´m in favour of helping non-top 10 teams, but I don´t see every team getting help, but only those outside top 10 should, or those not to reach a certain ammount of points during the year. Let´s develop this idea a little bit more

I've got a basic concept on that points idea and basing it off last year's constructors standings:

Garry Rogers finished 8th in the constructors championship last year on 21 points. Prospec were 9th but only on 12 points and NOBODY would consider Prospec to be anywhere near a top team. If we use that as a starting point then, it would be reasonable that a relatively successful team would be one that scored around 15 points or more in a season.

Using that same principle, we can safely assume that unless a meteor strikes the earth or something similarly dramatic, the current top 5 teams in the standings will clear that bar easily (Infact, MRT have already cleared that bar). One would also put smart money on, reliability permitting, HRT and GRM both clearing that bar as well based on previous form. Even though Kamaha is between those two teams in the standings, I personally believe that it'll be marginal as to whether Kamaha can get more than 15 points this year or not.

All things remaining equal however, Kamaha will probably be the team who finishes 8th in the constructors championship and will therefore represent my theoretical cutoff points between a team that might need assistance and one that doesn't. Therefore, using complex calculations and my oversized ego, the cutoff point should be EITHER the top 8 or 15 points, whichever one works best for the situation.

AndreaModa wrote:Teams slightly further down the order, but still within the top 8 like Sunshine, ArrowTech, etc are now struggling for points, and like for example Jones Racing and HRT, will make very little impression on the front group because they simply don't have the credits to pump into engine performance updates or similar upgrades. I've had to sacrifice some driver consistency this year with my chassis choice in order for Jones Racing to be more reliable and even stand a chance of scoring points during a race, and even then it was a bloody struggle to try and work out how I would make it work.

Klon wrote:

AndreaModa wrote:Teams slightly further down the order, but still within the top 8 like Sunshine, ArrowTech, etc are now struggling for points, and like for example Jones Racing and HRT, will make very little impression on the front group because they simply don't have the credits to pump into engine performance updates or similar upgrades. I've had to sacrifice some driver consistency this year with my chassis choice in order for Jones Racing to be more reliable and even stand a chance of scoring points during a race, and even then it was a bloody struggle to try and work out how I would make it work.

The true problem isn't the fact that these teams afford to can pay more than others, more the fact that some cars seem immune to the huge inconsistencies the other cars are having. I mean, let's compare Mark Dagnall's (4, 3, 2) to Douglas Mann's (8, 28, 5) qualifying results and you will notice how these numbers seem to unfold. All of this, note, without any consistency updates done for Dagnall. To put it simple, the problem is that the difference in the "regularity" department is obviously too big between good and bad chassis, making everything else rather irrelevant, because even a 13500 pay-driver would beat a 14000 normal driver if the normal driver suffers a random grip range somewhere close to 1000 every weekend because of the chassis he's having.

Wizzie wrote:Actually, I'ld like to point out that MRT started this year with basically the same amount of credits as Foxdale

AndreaModa wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Actually, I'ld like to point out that MRT started this year with basically the same amount of credits as Foxdale

Well then that's just poor management on dr-baker's part I'm afraid to say.

AndreaModa wrote:No, I agree, rewarding the top teams is perfectly acceptable and should be a large part of the rewards involved. But the problem is already that gap is increasing, so whilst I think we should continue to reward thos teams that do well, we should also have an 'equaliser' awarded at the end of the season to all teams, to bring some sort of equality back into it. An example off the top of my head could be:

An award of x amount of credits to each team, depending on how many they've won over the year (not including pay driver credits). This will be percentage based, so say for example the top team at the end of the year is left with the highest amount of credits, we'll call that 1000 credits. The worst team at the bottom of the field is left with just the 200 credits given out as 'TV money', so therefore has a deficit of 800 credits to the best team. To balance this out a little bit, the 'equaliser' would involve a little bit of maths, I'm not sure whether you're happy to implement this Aerond, I can understand if you're not. Essentially it would take the form of a simple equation:

H/T=n where the highest team's credit amount, H, is divided by the specific team's credit amount, T, giving a value, n.

(nX10)% of H = Equaliser amount awarded. n is then multiplied by 10, which gives the percentage of the highest team's credit amount that should be awarded to that specific team.

So, for example: Tropico end the year as the bottom team. They receive only the 'TV money' of 200 credits. MRT finish top, and with the cap have the maximum 1000 credits. Tropico are our team, T, and MRT are our team, H.

1000/200=5 and thus: (5X10)=50% of 1000 which is 500.

Thus Tropico would receive 500 additional credits as an 'equaliser' payment, bringing their total to 700 credits. It's still less than MRT, but bring them on a par with midfield teams, say for example Jones Racing ends up with 500 credits at the end of the year, that would mean their equaliser would be 20% of MRT's 1000, which would give them 200, and a total of 700, thus equal with Tropico.

This requires a bit of work to calculate, but it looks more complicated than what it really is, Aerond would be the only one needing to calculate it, so it's down to him as to whether he's prepared to use formulas like this.

This is only a basic suggestion, and I'm aware that simply awarding Tropico 500 credits out of the blue seems a bit generous, but a similar idea could be worked out. This example has just been for inspiration to show what something could potentially do to balance the field.