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Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 15:22**

dr-baker wrote:
Klon wrote:The only difference between Pastor Maldonado and Ayrton Senna is the former has not won a world championship yet.

One is Venezuelan, the other is Brazilian.
One has won for Williams-Renault, the other sadly did not.
One has a nephew racing in F1, it is unclear whether the other will or not.
One is a pay-driver, the other was not.

This is why you don't have a skill of not being nitpicky.

While Senna didn't pay for his F1 seat the fact that he came from a rich Brazilian family sure didn't hurt his chances of making F1.

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 16:08**

Markus Winkelhock deserved to have more races with Spyker.

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 20:02**

Kimi Raikkonen's comeback is pretty boring actually and he looks like he's going through the motions again already.

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 20:54**

darkapprentice77 wrote:Markus Winkelhock deserved to have more races with Spyker.

This is not an unpopular opinion......

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 20:55**

There is no such thing as a two car team at the sharp end of Formula One anymore.

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 21:51**

kostas22 wrote:There is no such thing as a two car team at the sharp end of Formula One anymore.

McLaren - seems to alternate between the two year-on-year, but one always seems to end up on top
Ferrari - clear and obvious
Red Bull - ditto
Mercedes - Not sure. Schumi ought to be the number one, but it's Rosberg collecting all the points and Mercedes's first win...

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 21:52**

dr-baker wrote:
kostas22 wrote:There is no such thing as a two car team at the sharp end of Formula One anymore.

McLaren - seems to alternate between the two year-on-year, but one always seems to end up on top
Ferrari - clear and obvious
Red Bull - ditto
Mercedes - Not sure. Schumi ought to be the number one, but it's Rosberg collecting all the points and Mercedes's first win...

Possibly Lotus.

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 23:08**

It's obvious one driver will always do slightly better than the other, but in a team like McLaren, and I believe Mercedes and Lotus as well, it isn't clear cut and both drivers have shared the success and get equal chances. Ferrari is blatantly obvious, and whilst Red Bull is less so, it's common knowledge that the team prefer Vettel over Webber.

I wouldn't say two car teams are finished at the front in F1 just yet, besides having a number 1 driver and a number 2 isn't anything new.

Posted: **25 Jun 2012, 23:55**

In the next couple of years HRT will become too competent to be interesting. It's already starting to happen now.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 00:36**

eurobrun wrote:In the next couple of years HRT will become too competent to be interesting. It's already starting to happen now.

Nah, we'll be able to say "We were fans when they were crap!" And if they win, I will be over the moon. But that might take 10 years, if we're lucky!

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 03:02**

eurobrun wrote:In the next couple of years HRT will become too competent to be interesting. It's already starting to happen now.

Spanish qualifying wasn't that long ago, the weekend where HRT didn't let Karthikeyen back out in Q1 because his on-board camera was loose. They're getting more professional and organized by each passing race, but golden nuggets like that one will still crop up now and again.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 06:54**

LellaLombardi wrote:Kimi Raikkonen's comeback is pretty boring actually and he looks like he's going through the motions again already.

Three podiums.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 12:02**

CoopsII wrote:
LellaLombardi wrote:Kimi Raikkonen's comeback is pretty boring actually and he looks like he's going through the motions again already.

Three podiums.

And, of course, the ability to score podiums means that, by definition, you are being a dynamic and engaging driver, who is extracting more than should be possible from the car at every turn and deserves the interest of everyone watching. Just look at Nick Heidfeld, Jarno Trulli and Giancarlo Fisichella, if you need any more evidence.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 13:22**

Ben Gilbert wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
LellaLombardi wrote:Kimi Raikkonen's comeback is pretty boring actually and he looks like he's going through the motions again already.

Three podiums.

And, of course, the ability to score podiums means that, by definition, you are being a dynamic and engaging driver, who is extracting more than should be possible from the car at every turn and deserves the interest of everyone watching. Just look at Nick Heidfeld, Jarno Trulli and Giancarlo Fisichella, if you need any more evidence.

Wait until Spa, Kimi will win there.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 14:07**

redbulljack14 wrote:Wait until Spa, Kimi will win there.

Willing to bet your avatar on that? 8-)

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 14:14**

Klon wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Wait until Spa, Kimi will win there.

Willing to bet your avatar on that?

What do you have in mind?

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 15:36**

redbulljack14 wrote:What do you have in mind?

I was thinking of redoing the old Save_Us.RSC avatar idea, but I couldn't get it into a proper size with the text still being readable - so have Kimi going off-track instead.

Better save that pic, lord knows how long it will stay online.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 16:32**

Klon wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:What do you have in mind?

I was thinking of redoing the old Save_Us.RSC avatar idea, but I couldn't get it into a proper size with the text still being readable - so have Kimi going off-track instead.

Better save that pic, lord knows how long it will stay online.

I'm yet to think of an avatar for you, i'll return with one at some point.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 18:36**

WeirdKerr wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:Markus Winkelhock deserved to have more races with Spyker.
This is not an unpopular opinion......

Really?? Most people outside of this forum don't even know who Winkelhock is...

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 19:14**

darkapprentice77 wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:Markus Winkelhock deserved to have more races with Spyker.
This is not an unpopular opinion......
Really?? Most people outside of this forum don't even know who Winkelhock is...

Unpopular in general F1-fan public = yes
Unpopular here on the home of all things lower half of the grid = no

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 22:17**

There are several drivers across all forms of motorsport who I don't like because their fans annoy me.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 22:33**

redbulljack14 wrote:
Klon wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:What do you have in mind?

I was thinking of redoing the old Save_Us.RSC avatar idea, but I couldn't get it into a proper size with the text still being readable - so have Kimi going off-track instead.

Better save that pic, lord knows how long it will stay online.

I'm yet to think of an avatar for you, i'll return with one at some point.

You can have this as your avatar if Kimi wins at Spa.

Posted: **26 Jun 2012, 23:49**

eurobrun wrote:There are several drivers across all forms of motorsport who I don't like because their fans annoy me.

Posted: **28 Jun 2012, 11:36**

Ben Gilbert wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
LellaLombardi wrote:Kimi Raikkonen's comeback is pretty boring actually and he looks like he's going through the motions again already.

Three podiums.

And, of course, the ability to score podiums means that, by definition, you are being a dynamic and engaging driver, who is extracting more than should be possible from the car at every turn and deserves the interest of everyone watching. Just look at Nick Heidfeld, Jarno Trulli and Giancarlo Fisichella, if you need any more evidence.

I'll add to that point by saying if Lotus/Renault hadn't dumped Heidfeld in the middle of last year, he'd be doing about as well as Kimi is now (but be slower than Grosjean).

(He wouldn't have been challenging Vettel in Bahrain though but could have gained in other races).

Posted: **30 Jun 2012, 17:59**

Personally I find Kovalainen overrated and the only reason I'm neutral to him is because he has to drive the crapbox known as the Caterham.

Posted: **30 Jun 2012, 22:03**

JeremyMcClean wrote:Personally I find Kovalainen overrated and the only reason I'm neutral to him is because he has to drive the crapbox known as the Caterham.

I wouldn't say he's overrated, he was just rushed into a big team. Did well at Renault in 2007 (which were now crap) and all of a sudden, sees himself being trounced by Hamilton at McLaren, which mustve hurt. Somewhere like Caterham is where he needs to stay.

Posted: **30 Jun 2012, 23:45**

AdrianSutil wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Personally I find Kovalainen overrated and the only reason I'm neutral to him is because he has to drive the crapbox known as the Caterham.

I wouldn't say he's overrated, he was just rushed into a big team. Did well at Renault in 2007 (which were now crap) and all of a sudden, sees himself being trounced by Hamilton at McLaren, which mustve hurt. Somewhere like Caterham is where he needs to stay.

In a way, precisely! He's crap, but he doesn't deserve abuse from Caterham... I'd say he's probably more fit at Williams circa 2011.

But what do I know?

Posted: **01 Jul 2012, 01:41**

JeremyMcClean wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Personally I find Kovalainen overrated and the only reason I'm neutral to him is because he has to drive the crapbox known as the Caterham.

I wouldn't say he's overrated, he was just rushed into a big team. Did well at Renault in 2007 (which were now crap) and all of a sudden, sees himself being trounced by Hamilton at McLaren, which mustve hurt. Somewhere like Caterham is where he needs to stay.

In a way, precisely! He's crap, but he doesn't deserve abuse from Caterham... I'd say he's probably more fit at Williams circa 2011. But what do I know?

Maybe I didn't write the comment in the way I wanted to. What I mean is I don't think he's overrated at all. Just rushed.

But this is the unpopular opinion thread so it's worked :lol:

Posted: **02 Jul 2012, 03:25**

Sakon Yamamoto wasn't that bad.

Posted: **02 Jul 2012, 04:36**

darkapprentice77 wrote:Sakon Yamamoto wasn't that bad.

I kinda agree. The 'pay-driver' tag didn't help, even if his drives with Super Aguri, Hispania and Spyker were sponsorship driven. Franck Montagny didn't exactly shine in the Aguri either, so I'd put Sakon level in skill with him.

Posted: **02 Jul 2012, 18:45**

darkapprentice77 wrote:Sakon Yamamoto wasn't that bad.

when compared with HWNSNBM's padawan then yes....

Posted: **02 Jul 2012, 23:10**

Bourdais > Vettel.

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 00:10**

darkapprentice77 wrote:Bourdais > Vettel.

You hilarious bro.

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 02:22**

darkapprentice77 wrote:Bourdais = Vettel.

Fixed?

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 07:19**

JeremyMcClean wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:Bourdais = Vettel.

Fixed?

No. Bourdais < Vettel... but not by that much. Certainly not as much as Bourdais' performance at Toro Rosso would suggest.

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 07:23**

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:Bourdais = Vettel.

Fixed?

No. Bourdais < Vettel... but not by that much. Certainly not as much as Bourdais' performance at Toro Rosso would suggest.

Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 07:37**

Wizzie wrote:Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.

And probably high in the points, perhaps even a podium, in Italy.

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 07:40**

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.

And probably high in the points, perhaps even a podium, in Italy.

Which actually proves my point about Toro Rosso being the best of the rest in 2008, better on the whole than Renault and certainly much better than the muppets over at the A-team. :lol:

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 08:05**

Wizzie wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.

And probably high in the points, perhaps even a podium, in Italy.

Which actually proves my point about Toro Rosso being the best of the rest in 2008, better on the whole than Renault and certainly much better than the muppets over at the A-team.

Although (with the possible exception of the second half of 2011) they have been shite ever since.

Posted: **03 Jul 2012, 11:15**

Wizzie wrote:Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.

Bourdais was faster than Vettel during the race at Italy -- but a steering wheel glitch put him a lap down immediately. A podium result was certainly on the cards.

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