AdrianSutil wrote:Although Trulli was smashed by Kovalainen, his season wasn't awful. He was always ahead of both HRT and Marussia in virtually every session.
It is very hard for me to think of that sentence in a flattering way.
I believe that it is the same as saying Massa's season wasn't awful since, after all, he managed to beat both Mercedes drivers. Or like saying Williams season wasn't that bad since they managed to stay ahead of the newer teams. In my view the Caterham was so far ahead of Marussia and HRT that it was way much harder to fail staying ahead of both these teams. Perhaps it was more Kovalainen having a terrific season than Trulli having an awful one, but given the way Caterham was isolated in 10th place in the pecking order, the only way to find out how they drove is to compare each other and find drives were one of them managed to sneak ahead of faster teams for some periods in the race. In this, Kovy managed to do it sometimes while Trulli didn't. In the former (head-to-head comparison) Kovy smashed Trulli, fact. Conclusion: Trulli's season was awful. That you tried to smooth the awfulness of his season by saying that he still managed to beat much slower cars proves my point!
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
kostas22 wrote:That's odd considering a year ago he said he had "given up on reaching F1".
How about giving the Lotus seat to someone that actually deserves it like Alguersuari or Petrov?
Or if they're bent on getting a rookie in, why not Robert Wickens, who's kicked Rossi's ass repeatedly over the last two years? And actually looks like he'd be a viable long-term candidate to boot.
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kostas22 wrote:That's odd considering a year ago he said he had "given up on reaching F1".
How about giving the Lotus seat to someone that actually deserves it like Alguersuari or Petrov?
Or if they're bent on getting a rookie in, why not Robert Wickens, who's kicked Rossi's ass repeatedly over the last two years? And actually looks like he'd be a viable long-term candidate to boot.
Of course, this all depends on the assumption that Rossi would actually be driving for the team - although it is possible that Rossi could replace Trulli, it is worth pointing out that the team hasn't actually declared who their reserve driver will be. OK, Rossi would probably greatly prefer a full time drive over a reserve driver role, as would most drivers, but it is plausible that Rossi is negotiating over the reserve driver role with an option to take part in free practise sessions as Chandhok did (the fact that Chandhok is currently looking for opportunities in the World Endurance Championship as well as test driver roles suggests that he feels his position is not entirely safe).
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Sebastian Buemi said a while back that he had his eye on Webber's seat for 2013. It was a long time ago, I think sometime in 2010, and 2013 seemed like a long way away, but now, that's little over a year from now.
"The FIA's implementation of penalties is about as effective as that of the English football team."
Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen: proof that Peter knows what year it is.
mario wrote:I'm wondering what the hell has been going on in this thread [...] it's turned into a bizarre detour into mythical flying horses and the sort of search engine results that CoopsII is going to have a very hard time explaining ...
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
If Buemi gets it then it is yet another proof of Marko's daft and very emotional decisions. Everyone knows that The Saurus is more deserving of that drive.
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Blick - and the man who published this rumour, Roger Benoit - is the same "newspaper" that published the stories of Kamui Kobayashi being bumped out of Sauber. If you could not believe that story, how can you believe this one?
(That's not a question aimed specifically at you - it's intended for anyone reading this post.)
mario wrote:I'm wondering what the hell has been going on in this thread [...] it's turned into a bizarre detour into mythical flying horses and the sort of search engine results that CoopsII is going to have a very hard time explaining ...
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Blick - and the man who published this rumour, Roger Benoit - is the same "newspaper" that published the stories of Kamui Kobayashi being bumped out of Sauber. If you could not believe that story, how can you believe this one?
(That's not a question aimed specifically at you - it's intended for anyone reading this post.)
I'd go with Klon's initial suggestion that it's optimistic speculation by Blick (which, as Captain Hammer points out, is something they're not adverse to). I guess that the only reason why it might seem logical is that both Buemi and Alguersuari have carried out testing for Red Bull last season on top of their driving duties with Toro Rosso and out of the two it seems that Buemi is rated more highly for his feedback than Alguersuari. That said, whilst Ricciardo's promotion to Toro Rosso does leave a reserve driver role open and it is theoretically possible that Red Bull might hire Buemi or Alguersuari, it's more probable that Red Bull will hire another rookie for that position instead. Are there any other Red Bull backed rookies in GP2 or other series who might be given a shot?
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Blick - and the man who published this rumour, Roger Benoit - is the same "newspaper" that published the stories of Kamui Kobayashi being bumped out of Sauber. If you could not believe that story, how can you believe this one?
(That's not a question aimed specifically at you - it's intended for anyone reading this post.)
He can get lucky one day?
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Blick - and the man who published this rumour, Roger Benoit - is the same "newspaper" that published the stories of Kamui Kobayashi being bumped out of Sauber. If you could not believe that story, how can you believe this one?
(That's not a question aimed specifically at you - it's intended for anyone reading this post.)
I'd go with Klon's initial suggestion that it's optimistic speculation by Blick (which, as Captain Hammer points out, is something they're not adverse to). I guess that the only reason why it might seem logical is that both Buemi and Alguersuari have carried out testing for Red Bull last season on top of their driving duties with Toro Rosso and out of the two it seems that Buemi is rated more highly for his feedback than Alguersuari. That said, whilst Ricciardo's promotion to Toro Rosso does leave a reserve driver role open and it is theoretically possible that Red Bull might hire Buemi or Alguersuari, it's more probable that Red Bull will hire another rookie for that position instead. Are there any other Red Bull backed rookies in GP2 or other series who might be given a shot?
I don't think so. In their website they only have two more drivers besides Vergne and Ricciardo. They are Carlos Sainz Jr and Daniil Kvyat. Sainz will drive for Carlin in F3 next season and Kvyat shall follow a similar route. So unless they will hire very young rookies (not unheard of), they will have no one in FR3.5 ready to take the job...
EDIT: After reading jpm post, perhaps Lewis Williamson? Although I don't think he is part of Red Bull Junior Programme yet.
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
Cynon wrote:Williams says they're negotiating with another telecommunications company... and isn't one of Bruno Senna's backers Embratel? Bruno Senna at Williams?
Though Senna himself said he wouldn't be driving for Williams at the request of his family. I suspect it's just a sponsorship deal, which is good news for the team, and should help them become more stable, particularly if Pastor leaves, his deal goes tits up, or both!
Cynon wrote:Williams says they're negotiating with another telecommunications company... and isn't one of Bruno Senna's backers Embratel? Bruno Senna at Williams?
Though Senna himself said he wouldn't be driving for Williams at the request of his family. I suspect it's just a sponsorship deal, which is good news for the team, and should help them become more stable, particularly if Pastor leaves, his deal goes tits up, or both!
Problem is I've heard from a source which I for the life of me cannot remember that Williams are on the verge of losing a major sponsor as well.
Cynon wrote:Williams says they're negotiating with another telecommunications company... and isn't one of Bruno Senna's backers Embratel? Bruno Senna at Williams?
Though Senna himself said he wouldn't be driving for Williams at the request of his family. I suspect it's just a sponsorship deal, which is good news for the team, and should help them become more stable, particularly if Pastor leaves, his deal goes tits up, or both!
Problem is I've heard from a source which I for the life of me cannot remember that Williams are on the verge of losing a major sponsor as well.
Klon wrote:According to Swiss tabloid Blick, Sebastien Buemi may become RBR reserve driver. Either it's - and that is most likely - just another jingoistic hoax, or Webber is walking thinner ice than we think he does...
Blick - and the man who published this rumour, Roger Benoit - is the same "newspaper" that published the stories of Kamui Kobayashi being bumped out of Sauber. If you could not believe that story, how can you believe this one?
(That's not a question aimed specifically at you - it's intended for anyone reading this post.)
I'd go with Klon's initial suggestion that it's optimistic speculation by Blick (which, as Captain Hammer points out, is something they're not adverse to). I guess that the only reason why it might seem logical is that both Buemi and Alguersuari have carried out testing for Red Bull last season on top of their driving duties with Toro Rosso and out of the two it seems that Buemi is rated more highly for his feedback than Alguersuari. That said, whilst Ricciardo's promotion to Toro Rosso does leave a reserve driver role open and it is theoretically possible that Red Bull might hire Buemi or Alguersuari, it's more probable that Red Bull will hire another rookie for that position instead. Are there any other Red Bull backed rookies in GP2 or other series who might be given a shot?
Joe Saward & Autosport both reporting that RBR confirm Buemi as test/reserve driver. So bit too quick to decry the stories it seems.
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Captain Hammer wrote:Blick - and the man who published this rumour, Roger Benoit - is the same "newspaper" that published the stories of Kamui Kobayashi being bumped out of Sauber. If you could not believe that story, how can you believe this one?
(That's not a question aimed specifically at you - it's intended for anyone reading this post.)
I'd go with Klon's initial suggestion that it's optimistic speculation by Blick (which, as Captain Hammer points out, is something they're not adverse to). I guess that the only reason why it might seem logical is that both Buemi and Alguersuari have carried out testing for Red Bull last season on top of their driving duties with Toro Rosso and out of the two it seems that Buemi is rated more highly for his feedback than Alguersuari. That said, whilst Ricciardo's promotion to Toro Rosso does leave a reserve driver role open and it is theoretically possible that Red Bull might hire Buemi or Alguersuari, it's more probable that Red Bull will hire another rookie for that position instead. Are there any other Red Bull backed rookies in GP2 or other series who might be given a shot?
Joe Saward & Autosport both reporting that RBR confirm Buemi as test/reserve driver. So bit too quick to decry the stories it seems.
And Eurosport. So it is official. And the guy got lucky and nailed a story! It's been rarer but still can happen!
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
eagleash wrote:Joe Saward & Autosport both reporting that RBR confirm Buemi as test/reserve driver. So bit too quick to decry the stories it seems.
Blick is a tabloid. Just because they get one story right, it doesn't make them credible. Tabloids get plenty of stories right - what lets them down is their tendency to aggrandise and sensationalise a story for the sake of getting more readers. Just the other day there was a story in a Scottish tabloid about Paul di Resta, who basically said he wanted to continue Scotland's heritge of producing drivers like Jackie Stewart, and that he was confident he could live up to his potential and one day win races. However, the tabloid took what he said and twisted it to make it look like di Resta was full of himself and didn't think much of the other drivers because they had better cars. They didn't change a word that di Resta said - they just wrote he story in such a way that it come across differently. And they no doubt did it because a headline that reads PAUL DI RESTA'S HEAD IS TOO BIG FOR HIS HELMET sells more papers than PAUL DI RESTA IS PROUD TO BE A SCOT.
So you can't trust tabloids. At all.
mario wrote:I'm wondering what the hell has been going on in this thread [...] it's turned into a bizarre detour into mythical flying horses and the sort of search engine results that CoopsII is going to have a very hard time explaining ...
eagleash wrote:Joe Saward & Autosport both reporting that RBR confirm Buemi as test/reserve driver. So bit too quick to decry the stories it seems.
Blick is a tabloid. Just because they get one story right, it doesn't make them credible. Tabloids get plenty of stories right - what lets them down is their tendency to aggrandise and sensationalise a story for the sake of getting more readers. Just the other day there was a story in a Scottish tabloid about Paul di Resta, who basically said he wanted to continue Scotland's heritge of producing drivers like Jackie Stewart, and that he was confident he could live up to his potential and one day win races. However, the tabloid took what he said and twisted it to make it look like di Resta was full of himself and didn't think much of the other drivers because they had better cars. They didn't change a word that di Resta said - they just wrote he story in such a way that it come across differently. And they no doubt did it because a headline that reads PAUL DI RESTA'S HEAD IS TOO BIG FOR HIS HELMET sells more papers than PAUL DI RESTA IS PROUD TO BE A SCOT.
So you can't trust tabloids. At all.
I expect they think Berger still owns part of Toro Rosso too.
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
eagleash wrote:Joe Saward & Autosport both reporting that RBR confirm Buemi as test/reserve driver. So bit too quick to decry the stories it seems.
Blick is a tabloid. Just because they get one story right, it doesn't make them credible. Tabloids get plenty of stories right - what lets them down is their tendency to aggrandise and sensationalise a story for the sake of getting more readers. Just the other day there was a story in a Scottish tabloid about Paul di Resta, who basically said he wanted to continue Scotland's heritge of producing drivers like Jackie Stewart, and that he was confident he could live up to his potential and one day win races. However, the tabloid took what he said and twisted it to make it look like di Resta was full of himself and didn't think much of the other drivers because they had better cars. They didn't change a word that di Resta said - they just wrote he story in such a way that it come across differently. And they no doubt did it because a headline that reads PAUL DI RESTA'S HEAD IS TOO BIG FOR HIS HELMET sells more papers than PAUL DI RESTA IS PROUD TO BE A SCOT.
So you can't trust tabloids. At all.
I expect they think Berger still owns part of Toro Rosso too.
Wait... Berger doesn't own Toro Rosso?
Just joking, obviously.
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
Captain Hammer wrote:Blick is a tabloid. Just because they get one story right, it doesn't make them credible. Tabloids get plenty of stories right - what lets them down is their tendency to aggrandise and sensationalise a story for the sake of getting more readers. Just the other day there was a story in a Scottish tabloid about Paul di Resta, who basically said he wanted to continue Scotland's heritge of producing drivers like Jackie Stewart, and that he was confident he could live up to his potential and one day win races. However, the tabloid took what he said and twisted it to make it look like di Resta was full of himself and didn't think much of the other drivers because they had better cars. They didn't change a word that di Resta said - they just wrote he story in such a way that it come across differently. And they no doubt did it because a headline that reads PAUL DI RESTA'S HEAD IS TOO BIG FOR HIS HELMET sells more papers than PAUL DI RESTA IS PROUD TO BE A SCOT.
So you can't trust tabloids. At all.
I expect they think Berger still owns part of Toro Rosso too.
Wait... Berger doesn't own Toro Rosso?
Just joking, obviously.
Correct but check the rantbox thread to see who thought he did only a few days ago.
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
Correct but check the rantbox thread to see who thought he did only a few days ago.
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
I'm just not getting the thinking inside Red Bull/Toro Rosso at the moment. Either Red Bull have realised they made a massive cock-up letting Buemi go, so have signed him as third driver to say 'sorry', or they honestly think he can step up to Red Bull in 2013. Either way, I can't Imagine where Buemi thinks his career is heading in 2-3 years.
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I'm just not getting the thinking inside Red Bull/Toro Rosso at the moment. Either Red Bull have realised they made a massive cock-up letting Buemi go, so have signed him as third driver to say 'sorry', or they honestly think he can step up to Red Bull in 2013. Either way, I can't Imagine where Buemi thinks his career is heading in 2-3 years.
If anything, it should have been Alguersuari who was given the job.
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I'm just not getting the thinking inside Red Bull/Toro Rosso at the moment. Either Red Bull have realised they made a massive cock-up letting Buemi go, so have signed him as third driver to say 'sorry', or they honestly think he can step up to Red Bull in 2013. Either way, I can't Imagine where Buemi thinks his career is heading in 2-3 years.
If anything, it should have been Alguersuari who was given the job.
Surely they would have offered a test spot to him first. Which is why I think he's already been signed by Williams
I thought Buemi was sacked because he was too old and experienced to drive for Toro Rosso, which is for young talents to get used to F1. Now he's back there as a third driver.
I'm just not getting the thinking inside Red Bull/Toro Rosso at the moment. Either Red Bull have realised they made a massive cock-up letting Buemi go, so have signed him as third driver to say 'sorry', or they honestly think he can step up to Red Bull in 2013. Either way, I can't Imagine where Buemi thinks his career is heading in 2-3 years.
If anything, it should have been Alguersuari who was given the job.
Surely they would have offered a test spot to him first. Which is why I think he's already been signed by Williams
I actually thought of a similar answer, but not as good (?) for Alguersuari - completing an all-Spanish line-up at HRT.
I think Alguersuari will be Mercedes third driver, then step in the car in 2013 as Schumacher retires again, then Schumacher will come back as a cyborg in 2031 or so.
I can´t still understan Red Bull´s rationale regarding driver´s politic. It´s STOOOOOOOOPID
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