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Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 03 Jul 2012, 19:58
by mario
eurobrun wrote:Although (with the possible exception of the second half of 2011) they have been shite ever since.
Reportedly, Vettel was not the only person leaving Toro Rosso for Red Bull Racing that year - it seems that RBR also brought a number of Toro Rosso's technical staff and mechanics over to the parent team too. Added to that, the Ferrari engine is thought to be slightly thirstier than the Mercedes and Renault engines, so under the current non-refuelling era Toro Rosso have lost out slightly thanks to the slight fuel weight penalty they have to deal with.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 05 Jul 2012, 10:46
by Ferrim
Cynon wrote:Wizzie wrote:Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.
Bourdais was faster than Vettel during the race at Italy -- but a steering wheel glitch put him a lap down immediately. A podium result was certainly on the cards.
"Sebastian, Sebastian is Sebastianer than you, can you Sebastian that you Sebastian this Sebastian?"
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 05 Jul 2012, 21:03
by pasta_maldonado
Ferrim wrote:Cynon wrote:Wizzie wrote:Agreed. Bourdais was soundly beaten by Vettel but it wasn't by anywhere near as much as the scoreboard suggests. By all rights, Bourdais should have finished 4th in Australia, in the points in Japan and on the podium in Belgium.
Bourdais was faster than Vettel during the race at Italy -- but a steering wheel glitch put him a lap down immediately. A podium result was certainly on the cards.
"Sebastian, Sebastian is Sebastianer than you, can you Sebastian that you Sebastian this Sebastian?"
Sigg'd
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 06 Jul 2012, 14:25
by UncreativeUsername37
The new, post-1994 Imola is better than the old one.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 07 Jul 2012, 04:35
by FMecha
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:The new, post-1994 Imola is better than the old one.
Safety wise, yes.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 07 Jul 2012, 12:57
by AdrianSutil
FMecha wrote:UgncreativeUsergname wrote:The new, post-1994 Imola is better than the old one.
Safety wise, yes.
Racing wise, no. I love watching old videos of pre-1995 Imola. The bast from pit straight to Tosa was brilliant to watch.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 21:27
by TheBigJ
Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 21:31
by Salamander
TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 21:37
by FullMetalJack
TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
If this thread is a competition, you and this opinion is definitely a leading contender
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 21:45
by Londoner
TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
I am actually speechless. Did you even watch Malaysia or Canada this year?
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 22:14
by TheBigJ
redbulljack14 wrote:TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
If this thread is a competition, you and this opinion is definitely a leading contender
Second time I've inherited the award after I said Barichello was a waste of space last year...
Only time I've seen Perez impress is implementing the excellent strategies given to him. We saw this week-end and other times that every time the Sauber strategists screw up, he can't perform and blames it on others.
And the only reason he has that seat is because of Telmex. Otherwise we'd have Quick Nick still in a seat.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 22:53
by FullMetalJack
TheBigJ wrote:redbulljack14 wrote:TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
If this thread is a competition, you and this opinion is definitely a leading contender
Second time I've inherited the award after I said Barichello was a waste of space last year...
Only time I've seen Perez impress is implementing the excellent strategies given to him. We saw this week-end and other times that every time the Sauber strategists screw up, he can't perform and blames it on others.
And the only reason he has that seat is because of Telmex. Otherwise we'd have Quick Nick still in a seat.
It might have been me who awarded you that last time, or Klon.
And yeah, Quick Nick was almost as synonymous with Sauber as for example, Hamilton is with McLaren or Mansell was with Williams.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 23:14
by Pamphlet
TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
I would agree, but that would only make Kamui look even worse...
Wait, I don't mind that.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 08 Jul 2012, 23:30
by Aerospeed
TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
Not after lugging the Sauber to the podiums twice, recovering from a nasty injury beforehand and consistently beating your teammate (unless Maldonado ruins the day). Sure, he might have some bad races, but doesn't anyone???
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 09 Jul 2012, 00:15
by AdrianSutil
Pamphlet wrote:TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
I would agree, but that would only make Kamui look even worse...
Wait, I don't mind that.
Oh my. I don't know where to begin with correcting you. So I'm not going to bother giving you the satisfaction.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 09 Jul 2012, 00:19
by Pamphlet
AdrianSutil wrote:Pamphlet wrote:TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
I would agree, but that would only make Kamui look even worse...
Wait, I don't mind that.
Oh my. I don't know where to begin with correcting you. So I'm not going to bother giving you the satisfaction.
Of course you don't know, there's nothing to correct!
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 09 Jul 2012, 00:58
by Aerond
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:The new, post-1994 Imola is better than the old one.
I don´t agree. I think it should have been reformed in a different way than it did; something like this:
Instead of converting Tamburello into a chicane, it should have been turned into a slow left angle, similar to the first corner at A1-Ring, then a straight up to Tossa, also similar to the lead into corner two at A1-Ring as well. Then Acque Mineralli should have been brought further back and turned into a hairpin for a new passing opportunity and I would have turned Variante Alta into a fast flowing S with wider escapatories by eliminating the stand there. Then Variante Bassa should have been brought even closer than it was to the second part of Rivazza for a faster straight up to Tamburello, this move would have allowed for a safer pit entrance and the expansion of the pit building without affecting the chicane. Again, the stand there should have been cut to allow for this.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 09 Jul 2012, 06:42
by UncreativeUsername37
I like the ideas for Tamburello, Tosa, and Variante Bassa. Tamburello in particular, that's way better than some left-right-left chicane I've seen on a million other tracks.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 09 Jul 2012, 07:45
by Aerond
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:I like the ideas for Tamburello, Tosa, and Variante Bassa. Tamburello in particular, that's way better than some left-right-left chicane I've seen on a million other tracks.
Oh, and I forgot to say that building a new straight between Tamburello and Tosa would allow space for a big, new grandstand over the old straight.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 09 Jul 2012, 16:13
by LellaLombardi
TheBigJ wrote:redbulljack14 wrote:TheBigJ wrote:Sergio Perez is an overrated pay-driver.
If this thread is a competition, you and this opinion is definitely a leading contender
Second time I've inherited the award after I said Barichello was a waste of space last year...
Only time I've seen Perez impress is implementing the excellent strategies given to him. We saw this week-end and other times that every time the Sauber strategists screw up, he can't perform and blames it on others.
And the only reason he has that seat is because of Telmex. Otherwise we'd have Quick Nick still in a seat.
Now let me think, who would I rather see in that Sauber seat, Perez or Nick Heidfeld. Hmm thats a tough one
He impresses me more because even when strategies aren't going his way, his driving is still good and mature for his years, which is reaping him points this year. And I admire how he came back from his crash - I was worried when he bailed out of Canada and I wondered if he was having a crisis of confidence, but it turned out to be absolutely the right thing to do.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 10 Jul 2012, 18:39
by TheBigJ
Colin Kolles is good for the sport.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 10 Jul 2012, 19:56
by mario
TheBigJ wrote:Colin Kolles is good for the sport.
Could you expand on that point a little - in what way do you contend that he would be be good for the sport given that he has turned to Endurance Racing now? Or do you mean that his past involvement was beneficial to the sport at the time? Is your point based on the uncompromising approach he took to managing teams - an approach some sometimes found over aggressive - that helped keep several smaller teams afloat in difficult times?
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 10 Jul 2012, 22:32
by takagi_for_the_win
Jenson Button is a bit crappy. There, I said it.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 03:58
by FMecha
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Jenson Button is a bit crappy. There, I said it.
Quite true for this year, sir.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 07:18
by CoopsII
There will be some people in the future who will claim that in 2012 "Anyone could win a race" thus demeaning the acheivement.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 09:05
by mario
CoopsII wrote:There will be some people in the future who will claim that in 2012 "Anyone could win a race" thus demeaning the acheivement.
There are those that make those sorts of claims now, seeking to demean the current state of affairs because it does not fit into their particular vision of the sport (complaints that became louder after Maldonado's victory, since that seemed to strike a nerve with some who believe that a "pay driver" could never have the talent to achieve a win by his own merit).
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 07:42
by CoopsII
The F1 Slate isnt as funny as people make out....
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 09:53
by DemocalypseNow
CoopsII wrote:Controversial Coops is going to stick his neck on the line and say The F1 Slate isnt as funny as people make out....
Fixed.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 09:56
by RonDenisDeletraz
I think people should hating on Bruno Senna.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 10:06
by shinji
eurobrun wrote:I think people should hating on Bruno Senna.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 10:07
by TomWazzleshaw
shinji wrote:eurobrun wrote:I think people should hating on Bruno Senna.
I think we lost some of the words amongst all the mumbling
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 10:13
by CoopsII
kostas22 wrote:CoopsII wrote:Controversial Coops is going to stick his neck on the line and say The F1 Slate isnt as funny as people make out....
Fixed.
It was funny the first time I read it but subsequently the funniness has decreased with each viewing to the point where its all a bit 'meh' now. Its probably an age thing...
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 10:18
by shinji
CoopsII wrote:kostas22 wrote:CoopsII wrote:Controversial Coops is going to stick his neck on the line and say The F1 Slate isnt as funny as people make out....
Fixed.
It was funny the first time I read it but subsequently the funniness has decreased with each viewing to the point where its all a bit 'meh' now.
Its probably an age thing...
Not necessarily; I don't really like it, and I'm notoriously youthful.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 10:28
by DemocalypseNow
eurobrun wrote:I think people should hating on Bruno Senna.
I think they should continue, as he is a gloryhunting clown. He has deliberately used the Senna name to get himself to F1, even though his name in a typical English language format is Bruno Leali (in Portuguese the mother's maiden name is also included in their offspring's full name). Therefore he has deliberately gone against convention to use the Senna name, as if it were a brand. Yes, I know, Ayrton did it too, but he did it to hide the fact he was racing from his parents when he was young (his true surname being da Silva).
He does not have the talent to cut it in F1. He is riding along on Embratel money and his uncle's surname.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 10:41
by RonDenisDeletraz
kostas22 wrote:He does not have the talent to cut it in F1.
Bullsh*t, with the exception of Spain and Canada* he has done quite a good job this year. Certainly a lot better that you could do.
I honestly think Australia was due to damage sustained at the first corner accident.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 11:19
by mario
kostas22 wrote:eurobrun wrote:I think people should hating on Bruno Senna.
I think they should continue, as he is a gloryhunting clown. He has deliberately used the Senna name to get himself to F1, even though his name in a typical English language format is Bruno Leali (in Portuguese the mother's maiden name is also included in their offspring's full name). Therefore he has deliberately gone against convention to use the Senna name, as if it were a brand. Yes, I know, Ayrton did it too, but he did it to hide the fact he was racing from his parents when he was young (his true surname being da Silva).
He does not have the talent to cut it in F1. He is riding along on Embratel money and his uncle's surname.
Didn't the CEO of OCX, which is another of Bruno's sponsors, boast at one point that he effectively bought Bruno's seat at Williams? One thing Bruno has been very effective at is attracting sponsors, since asides from Embratel and OCX, he also has some sponsorship from Gilette (and I think that he also has another personal sponsor, which I cannot remember off the top of my head) - combined with those comments from the CEO of OCX, it goes some way towards explaining the attitude that many have towards Bruno.
As to his relative talent, personally I would say that he is a competent driver - he may have done fairly well in junior series (although he didn't really shine quite as brightly as some of his contemporaries, like Grosjean, Di Grassi or Perez), but he hasn't found his footing in F1. True, Maldonado may have been much more erratic in that same period - he may have won, but he has also crashed out and wasted multiple potential points finishes - such that Bruno is not that far behind Maldonado in the WDC (18 v 29 points).
Yet, Bruno's poor single lap pace - he is yet to qualify higher than 13th place - means that he consistently finds himself stuck in the midfield, and that puts him at a strategic disadvantage during the races, not to mention leaving him vulnerable to first lap crashes. On average, he has lost slightly more ground than he has made up at the start, and I also cannot recall him really making much progress through the field either in terms of passing other drivers. Now, that may be because the cameras have not caught that, but the sense so far this season has been of a competent but otherwise relatively unremarkable driver: essentially, a slightly slower, but much wealthier, version of Heidfeld.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 11:21
by Ben Gilbert
Certainly a lot better that you could do.
Not directing this at you specifically, but I don't know where else to point out that I think this is a worthless excuse to defend bad drivers with. Yes. I
know that every F1 driver that there has ever been is
far more talented than me. That's why people have thrown money at them to keep them racing, and I am sitting alone at a laptop typing about it.
Now this is just me, but when I say 'XXXDriver' is driving terribly, I'm not comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to my own; I'm comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to those of
other racing drivers.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 11:35
by RonDenisDeletraz
Ben Gilbert wrote:Certainly a lot better that you could do.
Not directing this at you specifically, but I don't know where else to point out that I think this is a worthless excuse to defend bad drivers with. Yes. I
know that every F1 driver that there has ever been is
far more talented than me. That's why people have thrown money at them to keep them racing, and I am sitting alone at a laptop typing about it.
Now this is just me, but when I say 'XXXDriver' is driving terribly, I'm not comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to my own; I'm comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to those of
other racing drivers.
I said that because I got the impression that Kostas was implying he would be a better driver. I was probably wrong though
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 11:37
by CoopsII
Ben Gilbert wrote:Certainly a lot better that you could do.
Not directing this at you specifically, but I don't know where else to point out that I think this is a worthless excuse to defend bad drivers with. Yes. I
know that every F1 driver that there has ever been is
far more talented than me. That's why people have thrown money at them to keep them racing, and I am sitting alone at a laptop typing about it.
Now this is just me, but when I say 'XXXDriver' is driving terribly, I'm not comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to my own; I'm comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to those of
other racing drivers.
You wouldnt think that would need stating but clearly is does. Me too, I think Nick Heidfeld was pants but I accept hes a better driver than me so I dont need that fact used against me
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 12:24
by DemocalypseNow
eurobrun wrote:Ben Gilbert wrote:Certainly a lot better that you could do.
Not directing this at you specifically, but I don't know where else to point out that I think this is a worthless excuse to defend bad drivers with. Yes. I
know that every F1 driver that there has ever been is
far more talented than me. That's why people have thrown money at them to keep them racing, and I am sitting alone at a laptop typing about it.
Now this is just me, but when I say 'XXXDriver' is driving terribly, I'm not comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to my own; I'm comparing 'XXXDriver's abilities to those of
other racing drivers.
I said that because I got the impression that Kostas was implying he would be a better driver. I was probably wrong though
...
Yeah, sure why not, I'm the best driver in the freaking world. Even better than Don Pentecost, believe it or not.