Grand Prix Rejects

SuperAguri wrote:As I got the answer right I am going to put in a trivia question...

F1 has had a lot of engines from inline/straight, flat, V, W, H, turbine, inline turbo and v turbo in various cylinders from 4 to 16. However which raced (as in at least qualified) configuration of engines have not won a F1 race (and what was their best position...) for example the V8 has won races so you can ignore that.

inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
Hart? Best position 3rd I think

stupot94 wrote:

SuperAguri wrote:As I got the answer right I am going to put in a trivia question...

F1 has had a lot of engines from inline/straight, flat, V, W, H, turbine, inline turbo and v turbo in various cylinders from 4 to 16. However which raced (as in at least qualified) configuration of engines have not won a F1 race (and what was their best position...) for example the V8 has won races so you can ignore that.

inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
Hart? Best position 3rd I think

I also though about that, but the BMW engine that powered Brabham to the title in 83 was also an inline-4 1.5 Turbo...

DanielPT wrote:

stupot94 wrote:

SuperAguri wrote:As I got the answer right I am going to put in a trivia question...

F1 has had a lot of engines from inline/straight, flat, V, W, H, turbine, inline turbo and v turbo in various cylinders from 4 to 16. However which raced (as in at least qualified) configuration of engines have not won a F1 race (and what was their best position...) for example the V8 has won races so you can ignore that.

inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
Hart? Best position 3rd I think

I also though about that, but the BMW engine that powered Brabham to the title in 83 was also an inline-4 1.5 Turbo...

Ah blast

1235 flat 12
Subaru Coloni!

edit* But didnt pre qualify

But I go flat 12

The Lotus Gas Turbine engine. Was 8th in the Italian GP in 1971 before being banned.

This engine hasnt been in Formula 1. but I just like to say it

Wankel

DanielPT wrote:The Lotus Gas Turbine engine. Was 8th in the Italian GP in 1971 before being banned.

Good Shout

Cynon wrote:

tommykl wrote:What do these drivers have in common?
Piero Taruffi
Bruce McLaren
Wolfgang von Trips
Jim Clark
Denny Hulme
Carlos Reutemann
Gilles Villeneuve
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna
Giancarlo Fisichella

They all led the World Championship at some point?

I'm looking for something more precise. I'll help with the years they did this.
Piero Taruffi - 1952
Bruce McLaren - 1960
Wolfgang von Trips - 1961
Jim Clark - 1968
Denny Hulme - 1974
Carlos Reutemann - 1977
Gilles Villeneuve - 1979
Alain Prost - 1984
Nigel Mansell - 1987
Ayrton Senna - 1989
Giancarlo Fisichella - 2005

tommykl wrote:

Cynon wrote:

tommykl wrote:What do these drivers have in common?
Piero Taruffi
Bruce McLaren
Wolfgang von Trips
Jim Clark
Denny Hulme
Carlos Reutemann
Gilles Villeneuve
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna
Giancarlo Fisichella

They all led the World Championship at some point?

I'm looking for something more precise. I'll help with the years they did this.
Piero Taruffi - 1952
Bruce McLaren - 1960
Wolfgang von Trips - 1961
Jim Clark - 1968
Denny Hulme - 1974
Carlos Reutemann - 1977
Gilles Villeneuve - 1979
Alain Prost - 1984
Nigel Mansell - 1987
Ayrton Senna - 1989
Giancarlo Fisichella - 2005

Won the first race of the season

stupot94 wrote:But I go flat 12

Sorry to disappoint again, but Niki Lauda won his first championship in a Ferrari Flat-12 engine. It was 3 liters though...

tommykl wrote:

Cynon wrote:

tommykl wrote:What do these drivers have in common?
Piero Taruffi
Bruce McLaren
Wolfgang von Trips
Jim Clark
Denny Hulme
Carlos Reutemann
Gilles Villeneuve
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna
Giancarlo Fisichella

They all led the World Championship at some point?

I'm looking for something more precise. I'll help with the years they did this.
Piero Taruffi - 1952
Bruce McLaren - 1960
Wolfgang von Trips - 1961
Jim Clark - 1968
Denny Hulme - 1974
Carlos Reutemann - 1977
Gilles Villeneuve - 1979
Alain Prost - 1984
Nigel Mansell - 1987
Ayrton Senna - 1989
Giancarlo Fisichella - 2005

WOn the first or second race

Again, it's true. But they are the only drivers to accomplish this feat. No other driver has done it.
Hint: it has something to do with other winners that year...

They won a race before their team-mates only to see the said team-mates winning the championship. (Sadly Jim Clarke never saw his team mate won...)

SuperAguri wrote:As I got the answer right I am going to put in a trivia question...

F1 has had a lot of engines from inline/straight, flat, V, W, H, turbine, inline turbo and v turbo in various cylinders from 4 to 16. However which raced (as in at least qualified) configuration of engines have not won a F1 race (and what was their best position...) for example the V8 has won races so you can ignore that.

When you talk about the engine configuration, do you treat normally aspirated and forced induction engines separate? The architecture of a forced induction and normally aspirated engine is quite different, after all. Also, the Lotus 56B with the gas turbine has been mentioned - would that be eligible, or are you looking only for conventional piston engines?
Either way, I'll give it a go and see if some of these might be right:

[Alfa Romeo Turbocharged V8 (1.5L)- 2nd place in the 1983 German GP and 1983 South African GP.]
Alta Straight 4 (2.5L) - 9th place in 1950 Belgian GP.
Aston Martin Straight 6 (2.5L) - 6th place in the British and Portuguese GP's, 1959.
BRM Supercharged V16 (1.5L) - 5th place in the 1951 British Grand Prix.
ERA Supercharged Straight 6 (1.5L) - 6th place in British and Monaco GP's, 1950.
[Gordini Straight 4 (1.5L) - 4th place in the 1950 French Grand Prix.]
Gordini Straight 6 (2.0L) - 3rd place in the Swiss and Belgian GP's, 1952.
Porsche Flat Four (1.5L) - 2nd place in the French, Italian and US Grand Prix's in 1961.
[Pratt and Whitney Gas turbine (unknown turbine blade size) - 8th place in the 1971 Italian GP]
Scarab Straight 4 (2.5L) - 10th place in the 1960 US GP.
Tecno Flat 12 (3.0L) - 6th place at the 1973 Belgian GP.

[] indicate a speculative
Perhaps this might do as a start?

DanielPT wrote:

stupot94 wrote:But I go flat 12

Sorry to disappoint again, but Niki Lauda won his first championship in a Ferrari Flat-12 engine. It was 3 liters though...

Was it? I've seen some say that the architecture of the Ferrari 12 cylinder engines from the 1970's were not true Flat 12's, but in fact should be considered as a V12 engine with a 180º bank angle.

This is a picture of the Ferrari Tipo 015 engine, as used in the 1975 Ferrari 312T, before use in the 1975 BRDC International Trophy at Silverstone that year. As you can see, the cylinders are actually not directly opposed each other, but are actually slightly inclined to the horizontal plane.

Taken from this particular photo album on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37692943@N07/3884412124/

Technically speaking, therefore, I would argue that it is wrong to classify the Ferrari 12 cylinder engine from the 1970's as a Flat 12 because the piston motion is not solely in the horizontal plane.

DanielPT wrote:They won a race before their team-mates only to see the said team-mates winning the championship. (Sadly Jim Clarke never saw his team mate won...)

Correct!

mario wrote:Was it? I've seen some say that the architecture of the Ferrari 12 cylinder engines from the 1970's were not true Flat 12's, but in fact should be considered as a V12 engine with a 180º bank angle.

This is a picture of the Ferrari Tipo 015 engine, as used in the 1975 Ferrari 312T, before use in the 1975 BRDC International Trophy at Silverstone that year. As you can see, the cylinders are actually not directly opposed each other, but are actually slightly inclined to the horizontal plane.

Taken from this particular photo album on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37692943@N07/3884412124/

Technically speaking, therefore, I would argue that it is wrong to classify the Ferrari 12 cylinder engine from the 1970's as a Flat 12 because the piston motion is not solely in the horizontal plane.

Ferrari keeps selling the idea that they were indeed Flat-12... They don't want to let go the fact that the Flat-12 was a bad idea, so they renamed their V12 that way?

http://www.ferrari.com/English/GT_Sport%20Cars/RacingInnovation/Pages/Flat_12_engine.aspx

tommykl wrote:

DanielPT wrote:They won a race before their team-mates only to see the said team-mates winning the championship. (Sadly Jim Clarke never saw his team mate won...)

Correct!

Is there any question you dont know? like which ex F1 driver is now test driver for Pagani?

stupot94 wrote:

tommykl wrote:

DanielPT wrote:They won a race before their team-mates only to see the said team-mates winning the championship. (Sadly Jim Clarke never saw his team mate won...)

Correct!

Is there any question you dont know? like which ex F1 driver is now test driver for Pagani?

That, I have absolutely no idea...

If anyone else would like to have a guess??

stupot94 wrote:

tommykl wrote:

DanielPT wrote:They won a race before their team-mates only to see the said team-mates winning the championship. (Sadly Jim Clarke never saw his team mate won...)

Correct!

Is there any question you dont know? like which ex F1 driver is now test driver for Pagani?

Isn't it Andrea Montermini?

Correct! He helped Clarkson drive the Zonda R at Imola

DanielPT wrote:

mario wrote:Was it? I've seen some say that the architecture of the Ferrari 12 cylinder engines from the 1970's were not true Flat 12's, but in fact should be considered as a V12 engine with a 180º bank angle.

This is a picture of the Ferrari Tipo 015 engine, as used in the 1975 Ferrari 312T, before use in the 1975 BRDC International Trophy at Silverstone that year. As you can see, the cylinders are actually not directly opposed each other, but are actually slightly inclined to the horizontal plane.

Taken from this particular photo album on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37692943@N07/3884412124/

Technically speaking, therefore, I would argue that it is wrong to classify the Ferrari 12 cylinder engine from the 1970's as a Flat 12 because the piston motion is not solely in the horizontal plane.

Ferrari keeps selling the idea that they were indeed Flat-12... They don't want to let go the fact that the Flat-12 was a bad idea, so they renamed their V12 that way?

http://www.ferrari.com/English/GT_Sport%20Cars/RacingInnovation/Pages/Flat_12_engine.aspx

Who knows, but if you were to talk to me about a Flat 12 engine, I would think of something different - for example, here is the 5.0L Flat 12 from the Porsche 917:

As you can see, when comparing the two engines there is a noticeable difference in the structure of the two, with the Porsche unit a true Flat 12 (with the pistons moving only in the horizontal plane), and the Ferrari technically a V12 (as the piston motion is not only in the horizontal plane).

mario wrote:

SuperAguri wrote:As I got the answer right I am going to put in a trivia question...

F1 has had a lot of engines from inline/straight, flat, V, W, H, turbine, inline turbo and v turbo in various cylinders from 4 to 16. However which raced (as in at least qualified) configuration of engines have not won a F1 race (and what was their best position...) for example the V8 has won races so you can ignore that.

When you talk about the engine configuration, do you treat normally aspirated and forced induction engines separate? The architecture of a forced induction and normally aspirated engine is quite different, after all. Also, the Lotus 56B with the gas turbine has been mentioned - would that be eligible, or are you looking only for conventional piston engines?
Either way, I'll give it a go and see if some of these might be right:

[Alfa Romeo Turbocharged V8 (1.5L)- 2nd place in the 1983 German GP and 1983 South African GP.]
Alta Straight 4 (2.5L) - 9th place in 1950 Belgian GP.
Aston Martin Straight 6 (2.5L) - 6th place in the British and Portuguese GP's, 1959.
BRM Supercharged V16 (1.5L) - 5th place in the 1951 British Grand Prix.
ERA Supercharged Straight 6 (1.5L) - 6th place in British and Monaco GP's, 1950.
[Gordini Straight 4 (1.5L) - 4th place in the 1950 French Grand Prix.]
Gordini Straight 6 (2.0L) - 3rd place in the Swiss and Belgian GP's, 1952.
Porsche Flat Four (1.5L) - 2nd place in the French, Italian and US Grand Prix's in 1961.
[Pratt and Whitney Gas turbine (unknown turbine blade size) - 8th place in the 1971 Italian GP]
Scarab Straight 4 (2.5L) - 10th place in the 1960 US GP.
Tecno Flat 12 (3.0L) - 6th place at the 1973 Belgian GP.

[] indicate a speculative
Perhaps this might do as a start?

The question was, which configurations of engine, not makes, or even sizes.

eagleash wrote:

mario wrote:

SuperAguri wrote:As I got the answer right I am going to put in a trivia question...

F1 has had a lot of engines from inline/straight, flat, V, W, H, turbine, inline turbo and v turbo in various cylinders from 4 to 16. However which raced (as in at least qualified) configuration of engines have not won a F1 race (and what was their best position...) for example the V8 has won races so you can ignore that.

When you talk about the engine configuration, do you treat normally aspirated and forced induction engines separate? The architecture of a forced induction and normally aspirated engine is quite different, after all. Also, the Lotus 56B with the gas turbine has been mentioned - would that be eligible, or are you looking only for conventional piston engines?
Either way, I'll give it a go and see if some of these might be right:

[Alfa Romeo Turbocharged V8 (1.5L)- 2nd place in the 1983 German GP and 1983 South African GP.]
Alta Straight 4 (2.5L) - 9th place in 1950 Belgian GP.
Aston Martin Straight 6 (2.5L) - 6th place in the British and Portuguese GP's, 1959.
BRM Supercharged V16 (1.5L) - 5th place in the 1951 British Grand Prix.
ERA Supercharged Straight 6 (1.5L) - 6th place in British and Monaco GP's, 1950.
[Gordini Straight 4 (1.5L) - 4th place in the 1950 French Grand Prix.]
Gordini Straight 6 (2.0L) - 3rd place in the Swiss and Belgian GP's, 1952.
Porsche Flat Four (1.5L) - 2nd place in the French, Italian and US Grand Prix's in 1961.
[Pratt and Whitney Gas turbine (unknown turbine blade size) - 8th place in the 1971 Italian GP]
Scarab Straight 4 (2.5L) - 10th place in the 1960 US GP.
Tecno Flat 12 (3.0L) - 6th place at the 1973 Belgian GP.

[] indicate a speculative
Perhaps this might do as a start?

The question was, which configurations of engine, not makes, or even sizes.

And with that we should keep the Gas turbine, the BMR V16 (it was one of a kind in F1). And we can eliminate the straight 4's (atmospheric or turbocharged), the straight-6's (I don't think a turbocharged version has ever raced). Can we keep that Turbocharged V8?

Possibly, it is probably up to the inquisitor to amend or clarify the question.
There are so many possible variations within each configuration that it is difficult to say where a line should be drawn if it is to go outside a basic cylinder layout.

Whoever answered that question I posted about Indy 05 was pretty much spot on (Can't be bothered checking who it was though )

Here's another question:

The Renault R27 was pretty much off the pace for the entire 2007 season because the aero package didn't like the Bridgestone tyres. Part of the reason was a tile was sticking out in the windtunnel during testing which threw out the numbers. How much was the tile in question sticking out by?

Wasn't it something like 2mm?

Obviously enough for someone to notice.



I dunno, maybe 5 cm? (For those who use feet/inches, you can figure it out yourself, can you?)

JeremyMcClean wrote:Obviously enough for someone to notice.



I dunno, maybe 5 cm? (For those who use feet/inches, you can figure it out yourself, can you?)

2mm < 1/8"
5 cm = 2" approx

(30 cm = 1')

If it helps the number in question ends in mm.

I believe that some sources put the tile as being 1mm out of alignment - it was a discrepancy that was almost imperceptible by sight, but it had considerable consequences.

I will go with 0.8mm. Unless mario is of course right, then I would say 1mm .

Question: How many different drivers won at Albert Park until now? And who did it?*

*No documents allowed, memory only question...

DanielPT wrote:Question: How many different drivers won at Albert Park until now? And who did it?*

*No documents allowed, memory only question...

Good! I like memory only questions...

Hmm, off the top of my head:

1996: D. Hill
1997: D. Coulthard
1998: M. Hakkinen
1999: M. Hakkinen (?)
2000: M. Schumacher
2001: M. Schumacher
2002: M. Schumacher
2003: D. Coulthard
2004: M. Schumacher
2005: G. Fisichella
2006: F. Alonso
2007: K. Raikkonen
2008: L. Hamilton
2009: J. Button
2010: J. Button

I won't be surprised if their all wrong

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:

DanielPT wrote:Question: How many different drivers won at Albert Park until now? And who did it?*

*No documents allowed, memory only question...

Good! I like memory only questions...

Hmm, off the top of my head:

1996: D. Hill
1997: D. Coulthard
1998: M. Hakkinen
1999: M. Hakkinen (?)
2000: M. Schumacher
2001: M. Schumacher
2002: M. Schumacher
2003: D. Coulthard
2004: M. Schumacher
2005: G. Fisichella
2006: F. Alonso
2007: K. Raikkonen
2008: L. Hamilton
2009: J. Button
2010: J. Button

I won't be surprised if their all wrong

Well they aren't ! Still, you missed one!

DanielPT wrote:Well they aren't ! Still, you missed one!

Damn, let me guess, I got the 1999 one wrong?

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:

DanielPT wrote:Well they aren't ! Still, you missed one!

Damn, let me guess, I got the 1999 one wrong?

Yep. I remember it was Coulthard.

Irvine!

Name all the winners of the French GP 1950-2008

No checking books/websties etc.