2012 Silly Season

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 06 Jan 2012, 11:28

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Aerond wrote:I can´t still understan Red Bull´s rationale regarding driver´s politic. It´s STOOOOOOOOPID

I can. It's Marko logic.

Fixed.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 06 Jan 2012, 11:45

AdrianSutil wrote:http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/273230/buemi-to-be-toro-rosso-reserve-as-well/

I'm just not getting the thinking inside Red Bull/Toro Rosso at the moment. Either Red Bull have realised they made a massive cock-up letting Buemi go, so have signed him as third driver to say 'sorry', or they honestly think he can step up to Red Bull in 2013. Either way, I can't Imagine where Buemi thinks his career is heading in 2-3 years.

I think Marko was playing a practical joke on Buemi. Let him think he was indeed fired, let him depress for a few weeks and when he is starting to think about some shady sports cars future bring him back. Hilarious! Next up they will announce that Alguersuari will be hired by Red Bull to be the official Dj in Vettel's victory/championship parties.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 06 Jan 2012, 12:28

Captain Hammer wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Aerond wrote:I can´t still understan Red Bull´s rationale regarding driver´s politic. It´s STOOOOOOOOPID

I can. It's Marko logic.

Fixed.

You mean they're not the same?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 06 Jan 2012, 14:41

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 06 Jan 2012, 15:45

S951 wrote:

Hum... Somehow that ad slightly bores me...

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 06 Jan 2012, 15:55

DanielPT wrote:Hum... Somehow that ad slightly bores me...

You should have seen the TV advertising that was running here.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 06 Jan 2012, 16:50

Klon wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Hum... Somehow that ad slightly bores me...

You should have seen the TV advertising that was running here.

You mean, this one?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 06 Jan 2012, 17:01

Shizuka wrote:You mean, this one?

That's the one.
Well, at least now that his F1 career is finished, Heidfeld can work in the remaking of the Matrix trilogy. :mrgreen:

Post by **mario** » 06 Jan 2012, 17:20

eagleash wrote:Joe Saward & Autosport both reporting that RBR confirm Buemi as test/reserve driver. So bit too quick to decry the stories it seems.

Well, I stand somewhat humbled - looks like Red Bull might be keeping Buemi on just in case either Vergne or Ricciardo fail to make their mark next year. Mind you, the fact that Buemi has been earmarked out for simulation testing, and with Horner and Buemi talking mostly about car development, I guess Buemi was given the chance rather than Alguersuari as Buemi's feedback is reputedly the better of the two, even if Alguersuari had the stronger end to the season.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Jan 2012, 18:44

Klon wrote:
Shizuka wrote:You mean, this one?

That's the one.
Well, at least now that his F1 career is finished, Heidfeld can work in the remaking of the Matrix trilogy.

I was slightly bored by that. :roll:

S951 · Post by **S951** » 06 Jan 2012, 23:32

@rubarrichello
Rubens Barrichello
won't be on the Marathon tomorrow...need to look after my knees after so much training..better to be fit to drive F1 cars...hehe
8 minutes ago via web

JJMonty · Post by **JJMonty** » 06 Jan 2012, 23:37

DanielPT wrote:
S951 wrote:

Hum... Somehow that ad slightly bores me...

I don't cee how... vee are commited to 95% efficency vich has allowed us to be ranked 2nd for 8 yeaars running!

You can't be slightly bored vith success like zat!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 07 Jan 2012, 02:16

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:You mean they're not the same?

No, they're not. Marko logic is moon logic with a Mob attitude - like the mafia going out to kill someone, but not before shooting themselves in the foot to make sure the gun is loaded.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Jan 2012, 04:16

So what's Heidfeld going to do now that his F1 career is basically done?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 07 Jan 2012, 07:41

JeremyMcClean wrote:So what's Heidfeld going to do now that his F1 career is basically done?

Ads?

I saw that video ad Klon posted and I didn't go slightly boring... I got downright boring! Nevertheless I thought Heidfeld was better in this ad than in a lot of races this year for Bahahahar.

Post by **mario** » 07 Jan 2012, 10:44

DanielPT wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:So what's Heidfeld going to do now that his F1 career is basically done?

Ads?

I saw that video ad Klon posted and I didn't go slightly boring... I got downright boring! Nevertheless I thought Heidfeld was better in this ad than in a lot of races this year for Bahahahar.

Heidfeld had been linked with the BMW DTM program a little while ago and at the moment there is still one seat left available for 2012, though that talk seems to have died down in recent weeks. The other alternative, I guess, is a potential sports car career, possibly for Toyota's new LMP program (either for the Toyota works outfit or for Oreca, who will be running a customer car for Toyota) or, in the longer run, he might fancy his chances of driving for Porsche, who are planning a return to the LMP1 class.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Jan 2012, 18:06

I'm actually rather surprised his BFF Mario Theissen didn't sort him out with a DTM seat with BMW already. Nick is one of the best ever examples of nepotism in F1.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Jan 2012, 19:04

kostas22 wrote:I'm actually rather surprised his BFF Mario Theissen didn't sort him out with a DTM seat with BMW already. Nick is one of the best ever examples of nepotism in F1.

Well, the thing is Theissen is not even involved in BMW anymore. Furthermore, BMW's current DTM program is rather short-termed in its driver selection, seeing as no driver of them is any younger than 28, so odds are they will try to get a youngster in there. I think it's unlikely Heidfeld will be seen in the DTM unless Mercedes somehow finds a free space in their line-up which is unlikely, since they already have two former F1 drivers and one of them is German, so Heidfeld wouldn't have much of marketing value to the series. Even if Mercedes wouldn't take the major part of their 2011 line-up over for the next season, there are still better options such as former Audi drivers or F3 Euro Series champion Roberto Mehri - and the way their line up looks Mercedes needs someone who could show performance pretty much immediately in a DTM car which F1 drivers have not been known for in the last five years.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Jan 2012, 20:18

On a subject totally unrelated to that which is currently being discussed, how do you pronounce Jean-Eric Vergne's surname? At the moment, in my head, I am not pronouncing the g and pronouncing it the same as Jules Verne's surname... Is this right or wrong?

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 07 Jan 2012, 20:26

dr-baker wrote:On a subject totally unrelated to that which is currently being discussed, how do you pronounce Jean-Eric Vergne's surname? At the moment, in my head, I am not pronouncing the g and pronouncing it the same as Jules Verne's surname... Is this right or wrong?

I'd say something like Vayrn-yuh.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 07 Jan 2012, 22:16

you pronounce the gn similar to montagny
similar to the ñ if i'm not mistaken about spanish.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Jan 2012, 22:23

This wrote:you pronounce the gn similar to montagny
similar to the ñ if i'm not mistaken about spanish.

Thanks for the acclaration - I was pronouncing it somehow like Bernd :lol:

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 07 Jan 2012, 22:55

and the 've' is the same pronounced as the 've' from vettel, not as 'vuh'

but pronouncing it like jules verne is 'okay'

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Jan 2012, 23:27

This wrote:and the 've' is the same pronounced as the 've' from vettel, not as 'vuh'

but pronouncing it like jules verne is 'okay'

You mean like an "f"?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 08 Jan 2012, 01:14

ver-urrrn

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 08 Jan 2012, 01:34

I think it's pronounced more like Verñe, like "nh" in El Ninho. Or Nelsinho.
http://www.ivona.com/?tk=ojaXfj8Xmd

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 08 Jan 2012, 02:05

Wizzie wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/273230/buemi-to-be-toro-rosso-reserve-as-well/

I'm just not getting the thinking inside Red Bull/Toro Rosso at the moment. Either Red Bull have realised they made a massive cock-up letting Buemi go, so have signed him as third driver to say 'sorry', or they honestly think he can step up to Red Bull in 2013. Either way, I can't Imagine where Buemi thinks his career is heading in 2-3 years.

If anything, it should have been Alguersuari who was given the job.

Why? Beumi proved, at least to me, that he was the better driver. Only reason Jaime is ahead in the points is because he was often put on a much better strategy, and Buemi has had the luck of the Irish sometimes. Jaime often dropping out of Q1 meant that he would end up having more fresh tyres than Buemi, and all of the other midfielders too, giving him a big advantage come race day.

People say he's young and will get better as he ages, but there is never any guarantee of that happening. Jacques Villineuve, grew up, but progressively got worse, because while his age went up, his maturity and racecraft didn't.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 08 Jan 2012, 02:12

Alguersuari rejected the job, so it wasn't about who Red Bull thought the better driver, I think they rate the two about the same.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 08 Jan 2012, 02:20

QuickYoda41 wrote:Alguersuari rejected the job, so it wasn't about who Red Bull thought the better driver, I think they rate the two about the same.

I didn't see that anywhere that Jaime rejected them.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 08 Jan 2012, 02:34

I read it on a Hungarian site, I can share the link if it helps anyone.

http://f1-live.hu/hirek/legfrissebb_hir ... wsId=45671

It's written that Red Bull offered the third role to Jaime at first, but he rejected them, then came Buemi into the picture. Though it's not stated anywhere, I think that Buemi was intented to be only STR's third driver originally.

The same site had an article (based on Spanish paper AS) about Alguersuari not wanting to race to HRT, because that would be a step back; he aims a third driver role at a top team instead. If all that is true, maybe Alguersuari had taken a bit more personal being sacked than he said.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 08 Jan 2012, 03:09

Apparently Williams called Buemi as soon as they learned he had been dropped by Toro Rosso ...

QuickYoda41 wrote:If all that is true, maybe Alguersuari had taken a bit more personal being sacked than he said.

Why? HRT isn't a Red Bull junior team. They just saw an opening and placed Ricciardo there last year.

As for not taking the Red Bull third driver role, perhaps he felt that it was a dead end, what with the young drivers in Toro Rosso, and figured he stood a better chance of getting back into the sport in 2013 with another team.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 08 Jan 2012, 03:33

I didn't really understand it on the HRT-line, though they have a connection, but aiming for a test role at a top team but not accepting Red Bull... It seems not logical unless he's already close to an agreement with another team. It that's so, then the next question is: which team is that? Ferrari?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 08 Jan 2012, 04:53

Phoenix wrote:
This wrote:and the 've' is the same pronounced as the 've' from vettel, not as 'vuh'

but pronouncing it like jules verne is 'okay'

You mean like an "f"?

no, like english speaking people pronounce vettel. this getting complicated. Though pointrox had it completely right

of course francophone people have to say if i'm right.

Post by **tommykl** » 08 Jan 2012, 08:37

It's in two syllables. Vehr-nhe (with the nh pronounced like in Portuguese, only with the slightest hint of a g before it)

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 08 Jan 2012, 11:48

I thought the final "e" is silent.

Post by **tommykl** » 08 Jan 2012, 12:03

QuickYoda41 wrote:I thought the final "e" is silent.

That depends on who you're speaking to and the overall accent, but when you're speaking very properly, you do at least make it obvious that there is an "e" at the end of the word.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 08 Jan 2012, 12:38

I'll stick with Charles Pic, which is far easier to pronounce, then.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 08 Jan 2012, 14:19

I know I was the originator of the question, and it is ironic that I actually learnt French to degree level and lived in France for an academic year. I have never learnt phonetics nor the influence of accents - I just learn the pronounciations of each word one-by-one. Tedious? Yes, but it is the way I learn... So Vergne is pronounced similarly to Verne, but with an extra syllable and with a hint of a g in its pronounciation, right? Or, basically, however the commentators pronounce it on BBC Radio, after having asked the driver himself, as they did with Ricc(i)ardo?

Post by **tommykl** » 08 Jan 2012, 16:04

A simpler explanation for the "gn" would be to pronounce it like the "gn" in Magny-Cours

cbbcisace · Post by **cbbcisace** » 08 Jan 2012, 20:19

Quite a few rumours on Petrov to HRT...