Grand Prix Rejects

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So he doesn't like even numbers... Also that makes him first driver in the team? Silly games started...

Wow, he's not subtle about it, is he? Starting the old Schumacher head games already. If Ross allows it, Schumi is psychological lead driver. If Nico allows it, Schumi is psychological lead driver. Either way, he's numerical lead driver. The only thing Nico can do is say, "I don't want to be number 4 either, and the FIA gave me number 3, so eff off".

fjackdaw wrote:Wow, he's not subtle about it, is he? Starting the old Schumacher head games already. If Ross allows it, Schumi is psychological lead driver. If Nico allows it, Schumi is psychological lead driver. Either way, he's numerical lead driver. The only thing Nico can do is say, "I don't want to be number 4 either, and the FIA gave me number 3, so eff off".

What a funny way to hand your notice in.....

Nico needs to bear in mind that Heidfeld is currently unemployed....

eagleash wrote:

fjackdaw wrote:Wow, he's not subtle about it, is he? Starting the old Schumacher head games already. If Ross allows it, Schumi is psychological lead driver. If Nico allows it, Schumi is psychological lead driver. Either way, he's numerical lead driver. The only thing Nico can do is say, "I don't want to be number 4 either, and the FIA gave me number 3, so eff off".

What a funny way to hand your notice in.....

Nico needs to bear in mind that Heidfeld is currently unemployed....

Even still if I was in Nico's position I would just flat out refuse. Schumacher is full of it if he thinks that his name alone should merit pushing Rosberg to one side before the season even starts. I hope his comeback is a complete and utter failure.

It's going to be good. You see, a couple of days before Schumi signed up for Mercedes, Rosberg was already on his case:

Before publicly saying that he will not play the lieutenant role within the Mercedes lineup for no one, he had pointed at Schumacher for the careless driving F1 has been confronting in recent years. According to Rosberg, it was Schumacher who started the whole thing, with his dangerous maneuvers over former F1 champion and title rival Mika Hakkinen. Of course, he shared his thoughts with the media before knowing that Schu will be his teammate for the upcoming 3 years.

It's turning worse than Ferrari...

Well, there have been cases where drivers have decided to swap numbers within a team. For example, Jenson once changed numbers with Rubens, because the number Jensen had was supposed to be Rubens's lucky number. If I recall well, that was back in 2006.
Didn't Senna have a tradition about the number he used on his car? If I remember well, his was the opposite way around to Schumacher's, in that he always wanted to drive even numbered cars (apart from when he could use number 1).

I would do it because I like the number 4 and the yellow t-cams, but that's just me. Who the hell cares, because the driver with the yellow t-cam (I think that's what its called... you know that little doohickey on top of the engine cover that the crane usually grabs the car by? It's colored red for one car and yellow on another...) has been team leader before. Vettel at Toro Rosso, Buemi at Toro Rosso after Bourdais got the flick, Raikkonen in 2007, Massa in 2008... Lewis Hamilton in 2007 and 2010... Button at Honda when he and Rubens switched numbers because #11 was Rubens's karting number...

....and Ayrton Senna, who would always drive the even number -- except when he had to wear #1 or in his first F1 year with Toleman, when he carried #19.

Senna raced with #27 in 1990... (Although it's true that he took #8, the inferior # to Andretti/Hakkinen in 1993).

Cynon wrote:I would do it because I like the number 4 and the yellow t-cams, but that's just me. Who the hell cares, because the driver with the yellow t-cam (I think that's what its called... you know that little doohickey on top of the engine cover that the crane usually grabs the car by? It's colored red for one car and yellow on another...) has been team leader before. Vettel at Toro Rosso, Buemi at Toro Rosso after Bourdais got the flick, Raikkonen in 2007, Massa in 2008... Lewis Hamilton in 2007 and 2010... Button at Honda when he and Rubens switched numbers because #11 was Rubens's karting number...

....and Ayrton Senna, who would always drive the even number -- except when he had to wear #1 or in his first F1 year with Toleman, when he carried #19.

I was trying to remember what the number Button and Rubens had changed over - thanks for that.
Since you seem to know this quite well, could you tell me when the FIA abandoned the use of No.13 on the cars? I think that it was used intermittantly until the early 70's, but I am not sure about that.

tc3j3r wrote:Senna raced with #27 in 1990... (Although it's true that he took #8, the inferior # to Andretti/Hakkinen in 1993).

Senna was 27 because Berger had been #28 the previous season at Ferrari...and probably they let him keep it as a mark of respect of Ferrari's '82 season, as they had to take #1 and #2 in 1990 because Prost switched to Ferrari.

Anyway, while we're on the subject of schumacher, he's #4 because as we all know Nico Rosberg scored points last season, when schumacher didnt, If it was Barrichello staying at Brawn He'd be #3 with Rosberg #4.

The whole numbering system has gotten kind of dull since 1996, where it depends on constructor order these days, but Mr Schumacher, if you dont like what your given with, even if it is a mere number, you know where you can go.

In Japanese and Chinese, one way of saying the number 4 is the same as the word for death and it's considered very unlucky. If you go to Hong Kong, China or Japan and stay in a hotel you might find that there is no floor 4 (and sometimes no floor 44 or 14, 24, etc....).

When Ukyou Katayama raced for Tyrrell between 1993 and 1995 when the old numbers were in place and Tyrrell had 3 and 4. Ukyou had it in his contract to be number 3.

Maybe Schumacher is thinking the same thing?

Nico, get out of there while you still can!

mario wrote:

Cynon wrote:I would do it because I like the number 4 and the yellow t-cams, but that's just me. Who the hell cares, because the driver with the yellow t-cam (I think that's what its called... you know that little doohickey on top of the engine cover that the crane usually grabs the car by? It's colored red for one car and yellow on another...) has been team leader before. Vettel at Toro Rosso, Buemi at Toro Rosso after Bourdais got the flick, Raikkonen in 2007, Massa in 2008... Lewis Hamilton in 2007 and 2010... Button at Honda when he and Rubens switched numbers because #11 was Rubens's karting number...

....and Ayrton Senna, who would always drive the even number -- except when he had to wear #1 or in his first F1 year with Toleman, when he carried #19.

I was trying to remember what the number Button and Rubens had changed over - thanks for that.
Since you seem to know this quite well, could you tell me when the FIA abandoned the use of No.13 on the cars? I think that it was used intermittantly until the early 70's, but I am not sure about that.

The only time that number 13 has been in a Grand Prix was in Mexico 1963, driven by Moises Solana (classified 11th, 7 laps behind, did not finish).Divina Galica did not qualify in car 13 in Britain 1976.

SuperAguri wrote:In Japanese and Chinese, one way of saying the number 4 is the same as the word for death and it's considered very unlucky. If you go to Hong Kong, China or Japan and stay in a hotel you might find that there is no floor 4 (and sometimes no floor 44 or 14, 24, etc....).

When Ukyou Katayama raced for Tyrrell between 1993 and 1995 when the old numbers were in place and Tyrrell had 3 and 4. Ukyou had it in his contract to be number 3.

Maybe Schumacher is thinking the same thing?

That is very true. I also remember all the Takuma-fans questioning the season even before it started in 2005. Sato had Nr 4 on the car and even if he did not die, the season was a true mess.


No Nr 13 in F1 but last season Ernesto Viso clearly requested that number for his Indycar entry.... Hard to imagine that would be possible in F1.

It's looking to me like Red Bull are the only team that have team-mates that seem to get on! If Raikkonen 2008 and Prost 1986 are anything to go by, it could be their year!

madcat wrote:http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/7035.html

So he doesn't like even numbers... Also that makes him first driver in the team? Silly games started...

So you don't have a lucky or unlucky number? If you do, hy isn't Schumacher allowed to have one?

Personally I think the notion that F1 doesn't use #13 is kind of dumb, because look at the mess it has made of the numbering system....

I think all the car numbers should be in hexadecimal format, just because .... .... BECAUSE!....

...and into the pitlane, in the #F car...

fjackdaw wrote:Starting the old Schumacher head games already.The only thing Nico can do is say, "I don't want to be number 4 either, and the FIA gave me number 3, so eff off".

You're right but now if Nico were to do that, bizarrely, he'd look like the one being silly.

Schumacher head games. Spot on. You can see why his wife was happy to see him bugger off out of the house for most of the year. She was probably sick of him trying to out-psyche her over who made the beds, washed up etc.

Captain Hammer wrote:

madcat wrote:http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/7035.html

So he doesn't like even numbers... Also that makes him first driver in the team? Silly games started...

So you don't have a lucky or unlucky number? If you do, hy isn't Schumacher allowed to have one?

I cartainly do NOT have a lucky or unlucky number. And if I did, why should it be a small integer? Why not choose pi or 9674528965, for instance? That could be lucky. Could win you money on a lottery...

tc3j3r wrote:Senna raced with #27 in 1990... (Although it's true that he took #8, the inferior # to Andretti/Hakkinen in 1993).

I think 1993 was more to do with the fact that he was not confirmed for the drive until right at the last minute, and then only agreed to drive on a race by race basis.

coops wrote:Schumacher head games. Spot on. You can see why his wife was happy to see him bugger off out of the house for most of the year. She was probably sick of him trying to out-psyche her over who made the beds, washed up etc.

I finally understand why in the only statement of hers I've seen her, she said it was all good for him to head back.

Cynon wrote:Personally I think the notion that F1 doesn't use #13 is kind of dumb, because look at the mess it has made of the numbering system....

I think all the car numbers should be in hexadecimal format, just because .... .... BECAUSE!....

...and into the pitlane, in the #F car...

Why not go a step further and have Binary numbers?

CarlosFerreira wrote:

coops wrote: She was probably sick of him trying to out-psyche her over who made the beds, .

I finally understand why in the only statement of hers I've seen her, she said it was all good for him to head back.

Apparently it got so bad she suspected that the pillows on his side of the bed were of a newer spec than the ones she had to use.

Re: the number 13 as far as I know in some cultures it isn't unlucky at all. In Italy for example its the number 17 which is considered unlucky.

I myself consider 13 to be somewhat lucky but i was born on the 13th of May so maybe the luck has been fated some what.

SDHammer wrote:Re: the number 13 as far as I know in some cultures it isn't unlucky at all. In Italy for example its the number 17 which is considered unlucky.

Ironic as my brother finds 17 really lucky. Suppose its all just down to psycology

coops wrote:She was probably sick of him trying to out-psyche her over who made the beds, washed up etc.

I lolled at this!

Tealy wrote:

Cynon wrote:Personally I think the notion that F1 doesn't use #13 is kind of dumb, because look at the mess it has made of the numbering system....

I think all the car numbers should be in hexadecimal format, just because .... .... BECAUSE!....

...and into the pitlane, in the #F car...

Why not go a step further and have Binary numbers?

Index notation?

'And here's Button in the 3.65x10² McLaren'

If Schumacher thinks even numbers are unlucky why does he want to win an 8th World Title.

SDHammer wrote:If Schumacher thinks even numbers are unlucky why does he want to win an 8th World Title.

Because 8 comes before 9...

shinji wrote:

Tealy wrote:

Cynon wrote:Personally I think the notion that F1 doesn't use #13 is kind of dumb, because look at the mess it has made of the numbering system....

I think all the car numbers should be in hexadecimal format, just because .... .... BECAUSE!....

...and into the pitlane, in the #F car...

Why not go a step further and have Binary numbers?

Index notation?

'And here's Button in the 3.65x10² McLaren'

Why even use the Arabic number system, when you can use Roman numerals?

coops wrote:

fjackdaw wrote:Starting the old Schumacher head games already.The only thing Nico can do is say, "I don't want to be number 4 either, and the FIA gave me number 3, so eff off".

You're right but now if Nico were to do that, bizarrely, he'd look like the one being silly.

Schumacher head games. Spot on. You can see why his wife was happy to see him bugger off out of the house for most of the year. She was probably sick of him trying to out-psyche her over who made the beds, washed up etc.

Man, that was perfect!!, that's say it all, really...

Back on topic, Michael Schumacher is a very superstitious driver. He wears a pendant hiw wife gave him as a good-luck charm, an he carries a toy hairbush from his daughter in his racing overalls at all times. There's a legend that he forgot the hairbrush once and had to have someone race back to the hotel an get it before he was willing to get into the car. Given that his helmet has Chinese characters on it, he clearly has some interest in China, and he'd know that the number four is unlucky. If this was simply a case of Schumacher asking to change his nubmer, I'd be more sceptical. But there is an established pattern of superstitious behaviour that makes me think otherwise.