Jules Bianchi car number alt. championship

[dr-baker]

Renamed in honour of Jules Bianchi, who was the first driver to have a permanent car number retired by the FIA.

So the concept of this alternative championship is this: the less good the team, the more impressive each point that they score is. So each point that Minardi scores is worth more to Minardi than the same number of points is to Ferrari. How to reward this? Well, since 1996, car numbers have been allocated based on the previous year's Constructors' Championship. So multiply the points by the allocated car number and you may get a more representative points total based on how hard they were to score. Or maybe not. Let's see.

From 1950 to 1973, car numbers changed from race to race, so I calculated the tables race-by-race, which led to an odd result in 1958, where the championship winner only entered one race, with a 2nd place, and a car number in the hundreds (as was possible at the time). 1974 to 1995 saw the Driver's Champion take the number 1 to whichever team he drove for the following year, with that team's numbers going to the previous team to run 1 and 2. 1996 to 2013 saw car numbers reflect the performance of each team from the previous season. The current system (from 2014 onwards) sees drivers enter with career-long car numbers.

Overall Championship Table with car numbers and drivers' teams

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year  Winner               car no. Points Originally  Driver's Team
1950  Juan-Manuel Fangio   n/a      458   2nd         Alfa Romeo
1951  Juan-Manuel Fangio   n/a      979   1st         Alfa Romeo
1952  Alberto Ascari       n/a     1218   1st         Ferrari
1953  Juan-Manuel Fangio   n/a      762   2nd         Maserati
1954  Juan-Manuel Fangio   n/a      686   1st         Maserati, Mercedes
1955  Maurice Trintignant  n/a      389 ? 4th         Ferrari
1956  Stirling Moss        n/a      699   2nd         Maserati
1957  Stirling Moss        n/a      502   2nd         Maserati, Vanwall
1958  George Amick         n/a      594   15th        Epperly
1959  Phil Hill            n/a      544   4th         Ferrari

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1960  Olivier Gendebien    n/a      400   6th         Cooper
1961  Giancarlo Baghetti   n/a      450   9th         Ferrari
1962  Bruce McLaren        n/a      452   3rd         Cooper
1963  Jim Clark            n/a      428   1st         Lotus
1964  Jim Clark            n/a      416   3rd         Lotus
1965  Jackie Stewart       n/a      504   3rd         BRM
1966  Jack Brabham         n/a      354   1st         Brabham 
1967  Dan Gurney           n/a      364   8th         Eagle
1968  Jacky Ickx           n/a      439   4th         Ferrari
1969  Jackie Stewart       n/a      438   1st         Matra

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1970  Jacky Ickx           n/a      466   2nd         Ferrari
1971  Ronnie Peterson      n/a      640   2nd         March
1972  Emerson Fittipaldi   n/a      824   1st         Lotus
1973  James Hunt           n/a      378   8th         March
1974  Clay Regazzoni       11       572   2nd         Ferrari
1975  James Hunt           24       792   4th         Hesketh
1976  James Hunt           11       759   1st         McLaren
1977  Jody Scheckter       20      1100   2nd         Wolf
1978  Carlos Reutemann     11       528   3rd         Ferrari
1979  Alan Jones           27      1080   3rd         Williams

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1980  Alan Jones           27      1809   1st         Williams
1981  Jacques Laffite      26      1144   4th         Ligier
1982  Didier Pironi        28      1092   2nd         Ferrari
1983  Rene Arnoux          28      1372   3rd         Ferrari
1984  Michele Alboreto     27       823 ½ 4th         Ferrari
1985  Michele Alboreto     27      1431   2nd         Ferrari
1986  Ayrton Senna         12       660   4th         Lotus
1987  Gerhard Berger       28      1008   5th         Ferrari
1988  Gerhard Berger       28      1148   3rd         Ferrari
1989  Nigel Mansell        27      1026   4th         Ferrari

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1990  Ayrton Senna         27      2106   1st         McLaren
1991  Alain Prost          27       918   5th         Ferrari
1992  Michael Schumacher   19      1007   3rd         Benetton
1993  Ayrton Senna          8       584   2nd         McLaren
1994  Gerhard Berger       28      1148   3rd         Ferrari
1995  Jean Alesi           27      1134   5th         Ferrari
1996  Damon Hill            5       485   1st         Williams
1997  David Coulthard      10       360   3rd=        McLaren
1998  Mika Hakkinen         8       800   1st         McLaren
1999  Heinz-Harald Frentzen 8       432   3rd         Jordan

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2000  Jacques Villeneuve   22       374   7th         BAR
2001  David Coulthard       4       260   2nd         McLaren
2002  Juan-Pablo Montoya    6       300   3rd         Williams
2003  Kimi Raikkonen        6       546   2nd         McLaren
2004  Jenson Button         9       765   3rd         BAR
2005  Kimi Raikkonen        9      1008   2nd         McLaren
2006  Jenson Button        12       672   6th         Honda
2007  Kimi Raikkonen        6       660   1st         Ferrari
2008  Lewis Hamilton       22      2156   1st         McLaren
2009  Jenson Button        22      2090   1st         Brawn

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2010  Fernando Alonso       8      2016   2nd         Ferrari
2011  Fernando Alonso       5      1285   4th         Ferrari
2012  Kimi Raikkonen        9      1863   3rd         Lotus (Enstone)
2013  Lewis Hamilton       10      1890   4th         Mercedes
2014  Lewis Hamilton       44     16896   1st         Mercedes
2015  Lewis Hamilton       44     16764   1st         Mercedes
2016  Lewis Hamilton       44     16720   2nd         Mercedes
2017  Valtteri Bottas      77     23485   3rd         Mercedes
2018  Valterri Bottas      77     19019   5th         Mercedes
2019  Valterri Bottas      77     25102   2nd         Mercedes

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2020  Valterri Bottas      77     17171   2nd         Mercedes
2021  Valterri Bottas      77     17402   3rd         Mercedes
2022  George Russell       63     17325   4th         Mercedes

Champions by number of titles won

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Lewis Hamilton        2008 2013 2014 2015 2016
Valterri Bottas       2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
Juan-Manuel Fangio    1950 1951 1953 1954
Kimi Raikkonen        2003 2005 2007 2012
James Hunt            1973 1975 1976
Ayrton Senna          1986 1990 1993
Gerhard Berger        1987 1988 1994
Jenson Button         2004 2006 2009

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Stirling Moss         1956 1957
Jim Clark             1963 1964
Jackie Stewart        1965 1969
Jacky Ickx            1968 1970
Alan Jones            1979 1980
Michele Alboreto      1984 1985
David Coulthard       1997 2001
Fernando Alonso       2010 2011

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Alberto Ascari        1952
Maurice Trintignant   1955
George Amick          1958
Phil Hill             1959
Olivier Gendebien     1960
Giancarlo Baghetti    1961
Bruce McLaren         1962
Jack Brabham          1966
Dan Gurney            1967

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Ronnie Peterson       1971
Emerson Fittipaldi    1972
Clay Reggazzoni       1974
Jody Scheckter        1977
Carlos Reutemann      1978
Jacques Laffite       1981
Didier Pironi         1982
Rene Arnoux           1983
Nigel Mansell         1989

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Alain Prost           1991
Michael Schumacher    1992 
Jean Alesi            1995
Damon Hill            1996
Mika Hakkinen         1998
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 1999
Jacques Villeneuve    2000
Juan-Pablo Montoya    2002
George Russell      2022

1996

The first year to be calculated, as it was the first year to have car numbers based on performance in the previous year's championship, meaning smaller teams get a larger car number. The larger the car number, the larger the points multiplier! (Hence why Ferrari do well in the 1980s and early 1990s...)

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position  Driver                Team       car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Damon Hill            Williams   5           97            485            1st
2nd       Jacques Villeneuve    Williams   6           78            468            2nd
3rd       Mika Hakkinen         McLaren    7           31            217            5th
4th       Rubens Barrichello    Jordan     11          14            154            8th
5th       David Coulthard       McLaren    8           18            144            7th
6th       Jean Alesi            Benetton   3           47            141            4th
7th       Olivier Panis         Ligier     9           13            117            9th
8th       Heinz-Harald Frentzen Sauber     15          7             105            12th
9th       Martin Brundle        Jordan     12          8             96             11th
10th      Mika Salo             Tyrrell    19          5             95             13th

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11th      Gerhard Berger        Benetton   4           21            84             6th
12th      Michael Schumacher    Ferrari    1           59            59             3rd
13th      Johnny Herbert        Sauber     14          4             56             14th
14th      Eddie Irvine          Ferrari    2           11            22             10th
15th      Pedro Diniz           Ligier     10          2             20             15th
16th      Jos Verstappen        Footwork   17          1             17             16th

Biggest loser, happily, is Schumacher, and hopefully will be in the early 21st century. Ferrari loose out majorly in the Constructors' with McLaren and Jordan the big gainers.

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1st  Williams    485 + 468  953 
2nd  McLaren     217 + 144  361
3rd  Jordan      154 + 96   250
4th  Benetton    141 + 84   225
5th  Sauber      105 + 56   161
6th  Ligier      117 + 20   137
7th  Tyrrell     95         95
8th  Ferrari     59 + 22    81
9th  Footwork    17         17

[James1978]

Fantastic!!!!

[Bleu]

Good points coming for Hamilton and Button in last two seasons...

[dr-baker]

1997 almost but not quite complete (will post tomorrow) but one intersting thing to note:

Original results: 2 drivers tie for 3rd, 2 tie for 5th in the overall championship
Altered results: 2 drivers tie for 3rd, 2 tie for 5th in the overall championship, but obviously, different drivers in each case...

[James1978]

I feel a bit sorry for Arrows in 1997..............

[tommykl]

Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?

[TomWazzleshaw]

Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?

There's no point in doing this before 1996 because of the different car numbering system before that point.

[James1978]

If you can work out what teams would have had what numbers in the 80s and early/mid 90s, should be good i think!

[Salamander]

Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?

There's no point in doing this before 1996 because of the different car numbering system before that point.

Plus, it means Ferrari will pretty much dominate the 80's and 90's unopposed.

[tommykl]

Maybe, but then, Alboreto and maybe Johansson would be champions. Also, Ligier.

[dr-baker]

Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?

Go ahead. I like that idea. By the way, how will you work out which cars deserve which numbers in 1950? The 1950 championship positions will naturally carry forward to 1951's car numbers. An estimation from some selected 1949 races perhaps?

[dr-baker]

I feel a bit sorry for Arrows in 1997..............

Indeed. But because they did score, they were ahead of Minardi, yet to score in this alternative universe, because they did not score in our real universe. But looking forward to when they do eventually score!

Anyway,:

1997

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position Driver                Team     car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st      David Coulthard       McLaren  10          36            360            3rd=
2nd      Jean Alesi            Benetton 7           36            252            3rd=
3rd=     Jacques Villeneuve    Williams 3           81            243            1st
3rd=     Mika Hakkinen         McLaren  9           27            243            5th=
5th=     Giancarlo Fisichella  Jordan   12          20            240            8th
5th=     Johnny Herbert        Sauber   16          15            240            10th
7th      Olivier Panis         Prost    14          16            224            9th
8th      Gerhard Berger        Benetton 8           27            216            5th=
9th      Heinz-Harald Frentzen Williams 4           42            168            2nd
10th     Eddie Irvine          Ferrari  6           24            144            7th

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11th     Ralf Schumacher       Jordan   11          13            143            11th
12th     Rubens Barrichello    Stewart  22          6             132            13th
13th     Jarno Trulli          Prost    14          3             42             15th
14th     Mika Salo             Tyrrell  19          2             38             16th=
15th     Alex Wurz             Benetton 8           4             32             14th
16th     Shinji Nakano         Prost    15          2             30             16th=
17th     Nicola Larini         Sauber   17          1             17             19th
18th     Damon Hill            Arrows   1           7             7              12th
19th     Pedro Diniz           Arrows   2           2             4              16th=
                  
DSQ      Michael Schumacher    Ferrari  5           78            390            DSQ

Frentzen really looses out under this. And under this points system, Schumi would have had no need to take anybody out in Jerez as he would have won the championship anyway (DNF'ed and in the gravel trap). Biggest gainers seem to be Fisichella and Herbert.

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1st   McLaren   360 + 243       603   4th
2nd   Ferrari   390 + 144       534   2nd
3rd   Benetton  252 + 216 + 32  500   3rd
4th   Williams  243 + 168       411   1st
5th   Jordan    240 + 143       383   5th
6th   Prost     224 + 42 + 30   296   6th
7th   Sauber    240 +  17       257   7th
8th   Stewart   132             132   9th
9th   Tyrrell   38              38    10th
10th  Arrows    7 + 4           11    8th

McLaren are the significant gainers at Williams' expense. Otherwise Arrows merely loose out to Stewart and Tyrrell.

[tommykl]

Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?

Go ahead. I like that idea. By the way, how will you work out which cars deserve which numbers in 1950? The 1950 championship positions will naturally carry forward to 1951's car numbers. An estimation from some selected 1949 races perhaps?

I already explained that befoer 1974, numbers were awarded by order of entry, with usually the best entering early. Coincidentally, the German, Italian, French and Monaco GP all used different nubering systems, so it will reward points scorers in these GPs. The goal of this Championship is to get different winners every year, not to be fair. Gilles Villeneuve would probably in this one!
Remember, the privateer and works teams could enter how many cars they liked...

[James1978]

Predictions for champions from 1998 to date:

1998 Hakkinen
1999 Frentzen
2000 Villeneuve (car 22 remember)
2001 Heidfeld maybe?
2002 Button?
2003 Alonso?
2004 Button
2005 Ralf Schumacher (car 17!!)
2006 Button
2007 Heidfeld
2008 Hamilton
2009 Button
2010 Alonso (his total will be over 2000 as long as he comes 8th or better today......)

Button and Heidfeld seem to do very well out of this!

[Benetton]

In 1999 Barrichello will take it, being in car #16..

Good alternative championship. But wouldn't it be more reliable if you took the constructors championship results and then re-assigned the numbers for that year. Then the relative car strength / driver ability would be more reliable and interesting, and actually useful.

[dr-baker]

In 1999 Barrichello will take it, being in car #16..

Good alternative championship. But wouldn't it be more reliable if you took the constructors championship results and then re-assigned the numbers for that year. Then the relative car strength / driver ability would be more reliable and interesting, and actually useful.

That's in the planning. I'll do this version first and either I or somebody else can do the relative reallocation...

[dr-baker]

Just bumping this to remind myself to continue with this tomorrow... Hopefully.

[dr-baker]

1998

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position  Driver                Team     car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Mika Hakkinen         McLaren  8           100           800            1st
2nd       David Coulthard       McLaren  7           56            392            3rd
3rd       Michael Schumacher    Ferrari  3           86            258            2nd
4th       Eddie Irvine          Ferrari  4           47            188            4th
5th       Damon Hill            Jordan   9           20            180            6th
6th       Ralf Schumacher       Jordan   10          14            140            10th
7th       Jean Alesi            Sauber   14          9             126            11th
8th       Alex Wurz             Benetton 6           17            102            7th=
9th       Giancarlo Fisichella  Benetton 5           16            80             9th
10th      Rubens Barrichello    Stewart  18          4             72             12th

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11th      Mika Salo             Arrows   17          3             51             13th=
12th      Pedro Diniz           Arrows   16          3             48             13th=
13th      Heinz-Harald Frentzen Williams 2           17            34             7th=
14th      Jacques Villeneuve    Williams 1           21            21             5th
15th      Jan Magnussen         Stewart  19          1             19             15th=
16th      Johnny Herbert        Sauber   15          1             15             15th=
17th      Jarno Trulli          Prost    12          1             12             15th=

Mika Hakkinen has a massive winning advantage here, scoring more than twice as many points as his teammate in second. Williams have a disaster while R. Schuamcher and Jean Alesi are the biggest gainers of positions. Johnny Herbert has a shocker compared to his teammate, costing Sauber a position in the Constructor's. Also a bit of a Noah's Ark effect in the Drivers' Championship, as this type of championship might have been considered to produce, if each driver in each team is reasonably evenly matched. The Arrows, Williams, McLaren, Ferrari, Jordan and Benetton drivers are all next to each other here. Didn't happen so dramatically in '96 or '97. Will it happen again?

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1st   McLaren   800 + 392  1192
2nd   Ferrari   258 + 188  446
3rd   Jordan    180 + 140  320
4th   Benetton  102 + 80   182
5th   Sauber    126 + 15   141
6th   Arrows    51 + 48    99
7th   Stewart   72 + 19    91
8th   Williams  34 + 21    55
9th   Prost     12         12

[dr-baker]

Before I move onto 1999, I am imagining that this system will hinder Mika for 1999, and Michael Schumacher from 2001 to 2005, while they carry the real-life no. 1. After I complete this, it would be facinating to reallocate the numbers based on this alternative Constructors positions. Although that might allow Michael to regain some of his lost championships that he will loose from 2001 onwards... Maybe.

I already explained that befoer 1974, numbers were awarded by order of entry, with usually the best entering early. Coincidentally, the German, Italian, French and Monaco GP all used different nubering systems, so it will reward points scorers in these GPs. The goal of this Championship is to get different winners every year, not to be fair. Gilles Villeneuve would probably in this one!
Remember, the privateer and works teams could enter how many cars they liked...

Actually, the idea IS to be fair - fair to those less able to score points consistantly by rewarding them fairer. At least, with my system, hense why I began in 1996.

[dr-baker]

1999

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position  Driver                 Team      car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Heinz-Harald Frentzen  Jordan    8           54            432            3rd
2nd       Rubens Barrichello     Stewart   16          21            336            7th
3rd       Eddie Irvine           Ferrari   4           74            296            2nd
4th       Johnny Herbert         Stewart   17          15            255            8th
5th       Ralf Schumacher        Williams  6           35            210            6th
6th       Jarno Trulli           Prost     19          7             133            11th=
7th       Michael Schumacher     Ferrari   3           44            132            5th
8th       Giancarlo Fisichella   Benetton  9           13            117            9th
9th       David Coulthard        McLaren   2           48            96             4th
10th      Mika Hakkinen          McLaren   1           76            76             1st   

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11th      Damon Hill             Jordan    7           7             49             11th=
12th=     Pedro Diniz            Sauber    12          3             36             13th=
12th=     Olivier Panis          Prost     18          2             36             15th=
14th=     Mika Salo              Ferrari   3           10            30             10th
14th=     Alex Wurz              Benetton  10          3             30             13th=
16th      Jean Alesi             Sauber    11          2             22             15th=
17th      Marc Gene              Minardi   21          1             21             17th=
18th      Pedro de la Rosa       Arrows    14          1             14             17th=

We finally get one team gain significantly from this - Stewart! Although Frentzen gets the Driver's title (has he won any in any other alternatives?). And the two McLarens really loose out here. This season has provided the biggest and most significant changes so far, I think.

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1st   Stewart   336 + 255       591
2nd   Jordan    432 + 49        481
3rd   Ferrari   296 + 132 + 30  458
4th   Williams  210             210
5th   McLaren   96 + 76         172
6th   Prost     133 + 36        169
7th   Benetton  117 + 30        147
8th   Sauber    36 + 22         58
9th   Minardi   21              21
10th  Arrows   14               14

Thought 2010 was the first time Red Bull had won the constructors' title? They already had done so in this version of reality (in their former guise of Stewart)! And Minardi beat Arrows!

[dr-baker]

Predictions for champions from 1998 to date:

1998 Hakkinen
1999 Frentzen
2000 Villeneuve (car 22 remember)

As you will see below as well, 3/3 so far... I wasn't sure Villeneuve was going to have scored enough points for the car number multiplier to be sufficient, but it was. Just one or two points finishes less (out of 7 total) and he would have failed...

In 1999 Barrichello will take it, being in car #16..

Barrichello in 1999? Almost, but Frentzen's car number was exactly half that of Rubens, but had scored more than twice as many real points so retains the position ahead.

Anyway, onto the 21st century!

2000

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position  Driver                Team      car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Jacques Villeneuve    BAR       22          17            374            7th
2nd       Michael Schumacher    Ferrari   3           108           324            1st
3rd       Rubens Barrichello    Ferrari   4           62            248            4th
4th       Ralf Schumacher       Williams  9           24            216            5th
5th       Giancarlo Fisichella  Benetton  11          18            198            6th
6th       David Coulthard       McLaren   2           73            146            3rd
7th       Jenson Button         Williams  10          12            120            8th
8th       Mika Salo             Sauber    17          6             102            10th=
9th       Jos Verstappen        Arrows    19          5             95             12th
10th      Mika Hakkinen         McLaren   1           89            89             2nd

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11th      Ricardo Zonta         BAR       23          3             69             14th
12th      Heinz-Harald Frentzen Jordan    5           11            55             9th
13th=     Jarno Trulli          Jordan    6           6             36             10th=
13th=     Pedro de la Rosa      Arrows    18          2             36             15th=
15th      Eddie Irvine          Jaguar    7           4             28             13th
16th      Alex Wurz             Benetton  12          2             24             15th=

Jacques Villeneuve scores the championship he didn't win in 1997, thanks to BAR being so rubbish in their debut season! And he wins this title with no podiums whatsoever! And DC looses out thanks to his lowly car number.

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1st   Ferrari   324 + 248     572
2nd   BAR       374 + 69      443
3rd   Williams  216 + 120     336
4th   McLaren   146 + 89 - 10 225
5th   Benetton  198 + 24      222
6th   Arrows    95 + 36       131
7th   Sauber    102           102
8th   Jordan    55 + 36       91
9th   Jaguar    28            28

Ferrari win this, thanks to a better, significantly better-scoring no. 2 driver! And Sauber could have overtaken Arrows if only Pedro Diniz could have scored points just once or twice...

[tommykl]

Before I move onto 1999, I am imagining that this system will hinder Mika for 1999, and Michael Schumacher from 2001 to 2005, while they carry the real-life no. 1. After I complete this, it would be facinating to reallocate the numbers based on this alternative Constructors positions. Although that might allow Michael to regain some of his lost championships that he will loose from 2001 onwards... Maybe.

I already explained that befoer 1974, numbers were awarded by order of entry, with usually the best entering early. Coincidentally, the German, Italian, French and Monaco GP all used different nubering systems, so it will reward points scorers in these GPs. The goal of this Championship is to get different winners every year, not to be fair. Gilles Villeneuve would probably in this one!
Remember, the privateer and works teams could enter how many cars they liked...

Actually, the idea IS to be fair - fair to those less able to score points consistantly by rewarding them fairer. At least, with my system, hense why I began in 1996.

I'll try to find a system based on that year's championship, but I'll have to use an entrants' championship instead of a contructors' championship. I was thinking of looking at the maximum number of entrants the team had that year in a single race, and award numbers based on that. Example: in 1950, let's say Alfa Romeo (who finished first) entered between 2 and 5 cars. Their cars will wear numbers 1-5, with the higher numbers not used if there aren't enough cars.
Let's say, in the same year, that the factory Maserati team finished 2nd in the entrants' championship, entering between 1 and 4 cars every race, they will be awarded numbers 6-9...

[dr-baker]

Actually, the idea IS to be fair - fair to those less able to score points consistantly by rewarding them fairer. At least, with my system, hense why I began in 1996.

I'll try to find a system based on that year's championship, but I'll have to use an entrants' championship instead of a contructors' championship. I was thinking of looking at the maximum number of entrants the team had that year in a single race, and award numbers based on that. Example: in 1950, let's say Alfa Romeo (who finished first) entered between 2 and 5 cars. Their cars will wear numbers 1-5, with the higher numbers not used if there aren't enough cars.
Let's say, in the same year, that the factory Maserati team finished 2nd in the entrants' championship, entering between 1 and 4 cars every race, they will be awarded numbers 6-9...[/quote]
Sounds an interesting idea.

[tommykl]

That'll be the next thing I start then. The "Disqualify every driver from their home GP" thing will start at the end of the mediocrity awards.

[dr-baker]

The "Disqualify every driver from their home GP" thing will start at the end of the mediocrity awards.

That'll suit the Finns and Rubens! And the Indy 500 should pretty much automatically delete itself from that shouldn't it?

[dr-baker]

Forgot to mention that for the 2000 Constructors' Championship, the McLaren team were docked 10 points for Hakkinen's win due to a missing seal from the black box. So I deducted 10 x 1 = 10 points. So McLaren were fortunate to only finish 3 points ahead of Benetton.

[tommykl]

The "Disqualify every driver from their home GP" thing will start at the end of the mediocrity awards.

That'll suit the Finns and Rubens! And the Indy 500 should pretty much automatically delete itself from that shouldn't it?

It probably will. About the Indy 500, I think the only driver to ever be eligible when it was an F1 race was Ascari in 1952, who retired...

[dr-baker]

Predictions for champions from 1998 to date:

2001 Heidfeld maybe?
2002 Button?

Third places in both cases! Once I had compiled the car numbers alongside the points, these two both looked likely, but ended up not being enough. Will post these two years as seperate posts.

2001

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position  Driver                Team      car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       David Coulthard       McLaren   4           65            260            2nd
2nd       Ralf Schumacher       Williams  5           49            245            4th
3rd       Nick Heidfeld         Sauber    16          12            192            7th=
4th       Juan-Pablo Montoya    Williams  6           31            186            6th
5th       Kimi Raikkonen        Sauber    17          9             153            10th
6th       Jarno Trulli          Jordan    12          12            144            7th=
7th       Michael Schumacher    Ferrari   1           123           123            1st
8th       Jacques Villeneuve    BAR       10          12            120            7th=
9th       Rubens Barrichello    Ferrari   2           56            112            3rd
10th      Mika Hakkinen         McLaren   3           37            111            5th

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11th      Eddie Irvine          Jaguar    18          6             108            12th=
12th      Jean Alesi                                  5             90 (66 + 24)   14th=
                                (Prost    22          3             66)   
                                (Jordan   12          2             24)   
13th      Heinz-Harald Frentzen Jordan    11          6             66             12th=
14th      Pedro de la Rosa      Jaguar    19          3             57             16th
15th      Giancarlo Fisichella  Benetton  7           8             56             11th
16th      Olivier Panis         BAR       9           5             45             14th=
17th      Jenson Button         Benetton  8           2             16             17th
18th      Jos Verstappen        Arrows    14          1             14             18th

So we have our first driver scoring points for two different teams in the same year, so not all Alesi's points are worth the same! The two Sauber drivers are the two biggest gainers, while the two Ferrari drivers loose out, as they will every year until 2005 inclusive!

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1st   Williams  245 + 186      431
2nd   McLaren   260 + 111      371
3rd   Sauber    192 + 153      345
4th   Ferrari   123 + 11       235
5th   Jordan    144 + 24 + 66  234
6th=  BAR       120 + 45       165
6th=  Jaguar    108 + 57       165
8th   Benetton  56 + 16        72
9th   Prost     66             66
10th  Arrows    14             14

Despite Sauber's big gains in the driver's championship, the team finish only third here.

[dr-baker]

2002

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position  Driver                Team      car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Juan-Pablo Montoya    Williams  6           50            300            3rd
2nd=      Ralf Schumacher       Williams  5           42            210            4th
2nd=      Jenson Button         Renault   15          14            210            7th
4th       Rubens Barrichello    Ferrari   2           77            154            2nd
5th       Michael Schumacher    Ferrari   1           144           144            1st
6th       Eddie Irvine          Jaguar    16          8             128            9th
7th       Jarno Trulli          Renault   14          9             126            8th
8th       David Coulthard       McLaren   3           41            123            5th
9th       Kimi Raikkonen        McLaren   4           24            96             6th
10th      Giancarlo Fisichella  Jordan    9           7             63             10th=

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11th      Nick Heidfeld         Sauber    7           7             49             10th=
12th      Mika Salo             Toyota    24          2             48             15th=
13th      Mark Webber           Minardi   23          2             46             15th=
14th      Jacques Villeneuve    BAR       11          4             44             12th=
15th      Heinz-Harald Frentzen Arrows    20          2             40             15th=
16th      Olivier Panis         BAR       12          3             36             14th
17th      Felipe Massa          Sauber    8           4             32             12th=
18th      Takuma Sato           Jordan    10          2             20             15th=

Button is 2nd=, and placed third on wins (or lack of them!). And this would be Minardi's best placing in the driver's championship for a long time, if ever.

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1st   Williams  300 + 210  510
2nd   Renault   210 + 126  336
3rd   Ferrari   154 + 144  298
4th   McLaren   123 + 96   219
5th   Jaguar    128        128
6th   Jordan    63 + 20    83
7th   Sauber    49 + 32    81
8th   BAR       44 + 36    80
9th   Toyota    48         48
10th  Minardi   46         46
11th  Arrows    40         40

Minardi only beat one other point-scoring team. Not what I was hoping for.

[dr-baker]

From another thread:

Sorting it out.
Once you have this, I tend to copy the sorted columns, go to Notepad (or a basic text editor program) and delete the tabs and replacing them with spaces so they line up. Then use the Code button in the forum editor screen and paste in the results.

I will do this once I have posted all the results. Does look a bit messy at the moment!

[dr-baker]

2003 Alonso?

No. 2nd. By some margin, it seems.

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position  Driver                Team     car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Kimi Raikkonen        McLaren  6           91            546            2nd
2nd       Fernando Alonso       Renault  8           55            440            6th
3rd       Jenson Button         BAR      17          17            289            9th=
4th       David Coulthard       McLaren  5           51            255            7th
5th       Juan-Pablo Montoya    Williams 3           82            246            3rd
6th       Mark Webber           Jaguar   14          17            238            9th=
7th       Ralf Schumacher       Williams 4           58            232            5th
8th       Jarno Trulli          Renault  7           33            231            8th
9th       Cristiano da Matta    Toyota   21          10            210            13th
10th      Rubens Barrichello    Ferrari  2           65            135            4th

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11th      Giancarlo Fisichella  Jordan   11          12            132            12th
12th      Heinz-Harald Frentzen Sauber   10          13            130            11th
13th      Olivier Panis         Toyota   20          6             120            14th=
14th      Jacques Villeneuve    BAR      16          6             96             14th=
15th      Michael Schumacher    Ferrari  1           93            93             1st
16th      Nick Heidfeld         Sauber   9           6             54             14th=
17th      Takuma Sato           BAR      16          3             48             18th
18th      Marc Gene             Williams 4           4             16             17th
19th      Justin Wilson         Jaguar   15          1             15             19th=
20th      Ralph Firman          Jordan   12          1             12             19th=

Jenson is a big winner and (I love saying this!) Michael Schumacher is a big loser! Just goes to show how competitive the smaller teams did in 2003, with both, or all 3, drivers scoring.

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1st   McLaren   546 + 255      801
2nd   Renault   440 + 231      671
3rd   Williams  246 + 232 + 16 494
4th   BAR       289 + 96 + 48  433
5th   Toyota    210 + 120      330
6th   Jaguar    238 + 15       253
7th   Ferrari   135 + 93       228
8th   Sauber    130 + 54       184
9th   Jordan    132 + 12       144

[dr-baker]

2004 Button
2005 Ralf Schumacher (car 17!!)

Yes and no. Ralfie just couldn't do it. Thankfully. He lost to the quiet one, the Coke and Magnum one.

2004

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position  Driver                       Team       car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Jenson Button                BAR        9           85            765            3rd
2nd       Fernando Alonso              Renault    8           59            472            4th
3rd       Takuma Sato                  BAR        10          34            340            8th
4th       Jarno Trulli                 Renault    7           46            322            6th
5th       Kimi Raikkonen               McLaren    6           45            270            7th
6th       Giancarlo Fisichella         Sauber     11          22            242            11th
7th       Rubens Barrichello           Ferrari    2           114           228            2nd
8th       Felipe Massa                 Sauber     16          12            192            12th
9th       Juan-Pablo Montoya           Williams   3           58            174            5th
10th      Michael Schumacher           Ferrari    1           148           148            1st

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11th      David Coulthard              McLaren    5           24            120            9th=
12th      Olivier Panis                Toyota     17          6             102            14th=
13th      Mark Webber                  Jaguar     14          7             98             13th
14th      Ralf Schumacher              Williams   4           24            96             9th=
15th      Nick Heidfeld                Jordan     18          3             54             16th=
16th      Cristiano da Matta           Toyota     16          3             48             16th=
17th      Christian Klien              Jaguar     15          3             45             16th=
18th      Timo Glock                   Jordan     19          2             38             19th 
19th      Antonio Pizzonia             Williams   4           6             24             14th=
20th      Zsolt 'HWNSNBM' Baumgartner  Minardi    21          1             21             20th

Despite carrying car number 21, the holy and unmentionable one is still last of the points scorers. The last shall be first and the first shall be last, etc. Considering his string of podiums in this year and his car number, the title here was inevitable and pleases the compiler of this championship. Michael Schumacher does not do well again but not as bad as he will next year!

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1st   BAR      765 + 340     1105
2nd   Renault  472 + 322     794
3rd   Sauber   242 + 192     434
4th   McLaren  270 + 120     390
5th   Ferrari  228 + 148     376
6th   Williams 174 + 96 + 24 294
7th   Toyota   102 + 48      150
8th   Jaguar   98 + 45       143
9th   Jordan   54 + 38       92
10th   Minardi 21            21

A nice big total for the fag packet on wheels. And Sauber impresses in 3rd.

[dr-baker]

2005

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position  Driver                Team     car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Kimi Raikkonen        McLaren  9           112           1008           2nd
2nd       Ralf Schumacher       Toyota   17          45            765            6th
3rd       Jarno Trulli          Toyota   16          43            688            7th
4th       Fernando Alonso       Renault  5           133           665            1st
5th       Juan-Pablo Montoya    McLaren  10          60            600            4th
6th       Giancarlo Fisichella  Renault  6           58            348            5th
7th       David Coulthard       Red Bull 14          24            336            12th
8th       Mark Webber           Williams 7           36            252            10th
9th       Nick Heidfeld         Williams 8           28            224            11th
10th      Christian Klien       Red Bull 15          9             135            14th=

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11th      Felipe Massa          Sauber   12          11            132            13th
12th      Tiago Monteiro        Jordan   18          7             126            16th
13th      Jenson Button         BAR      3           37            111            9th
14th      Jacques Villeneuve    Sauber   11          9             99             14th=
15th      Narain Karthikeyan    Jordan   19          5             95             18th
16th      Christian Albers      Minardi  21          4             84             19th=
17th      Rubens Barrichello    Ferrari  2           38            76             8th
18th      Michael Schumacher    Ferrari  1           62            62             3rd
19th=     Alex Wurz             McLaren  10          6             60             17th
19th=     Patrick Friesacher    Minardi  20          3             60             21st

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21st      Pedro de la Rosa      McLaren  10          4             40             19th=
22nd      Antonio Pizzonia      Williams 8           2             16             22nd
23rd      Vintantonio Liuzzi    Red Bull 15          1             15             23rd=
24th      Takuma Sato           BAR      4           1             4              23rd=

The most impressive year yet. The championship-winning driver scores over 1000 points and, thanks to the US GP, each and every team scores over 100 points each, and the team carrying numbers 1 and 2 finish almost dead last, behind even Minardi. YES, MINARDI BEAT FERRARI (and BAR too)!!!!!!!

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1st   McLaren  1008 + 600 + 60 + 40  1708
2nd   Toyota   765 + 688             1453
3rd   Renault  665 + 348             1013
4th   Williams 252 + 224 + 16        492
5th   Red Bull 336 + 135 + 15        486
6th   Sauber   132 + 99              231
7th   Jordan   126 + 95              221
8th   Minardi  84 + 60               144
9th   Ferrari  76 + 62               138
10th  BAR      111 + 4               115

This must go down as the most epic alternative championship ever? (Barring any involving HWNSNBM dominating, of course)

[TomWazzleshaw]

Ferrari, Minardi is faster than you. Do you understand?

[Ferrim]

2008: Lewis Hamilton scores like... 98 * 22. Over 2000 points I reckon.

[dr-baker]

2008: Lewis Hamilton scores like... 98 * 22. Over 2000 points I reckon.

It'll be similar in 2009 as well of course, but with Button.

[James1978]

Shame a front-running team couldn't have had high car numbers this year, does 23 times Kobayashi's points total come anywhere near the front-runners? Probably not.

[dr-baker]

Almost seems a shame to continue after that epic 2005 season, helped hugely by the farcical US GP that year. But here we go, nonetheless. (Am attepting to complete this today...)

2006 Button
2007 Heidfeld

Yes, and not quite!

(Posting these two years first, because there's a point I want to make about 2007 that is interesting and I don't want to forget making it!)

2006

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position  Driver               Team       car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Jenson Button        Honda      12          56            672            6th
2nd       Michael Schumacher   Ferrari    5           121           605            2nd
3rd       Felipe Massa         Ferrari    6           80            480            3rd
4th       Nick Heidfeld        BMW Sauber 16          23            368            9th
5th       Rubens Barrichello   Honda      11          30            330            7th
6th       David Coulthard      Red Bull   14          14            196            13th
7th       Kimi Raikkonen       McLaren    3           65            195            5th
8th       Giancarlo Fisichella Renault    2           72            144            4th
9th       Ralf Schumacher      Toyota     7           20            140            10th
10th      Fernando Alonso      Renault    1           134           134            1st

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11th      Jarno Trulli         Toyota     8           15            120            12th
12th      Jacques Villeneuve   BMW Sauber 17          7             119            14th=
13th      Juan Pablo Montoya   McLaren    4           26            104            8th
14th      Robert Kubica        BMW Sauber 17          6             102            16th
15th      Pedro de la Rosa     McLaren    4           19            76             11th
16th      Mark Webber          Williams   9           7             63             14th=
17th      Nico Rosberg         Williams   10          4             40             17th
18th      Christian Klien      Red Bull   15          2             30             18th
19th      Vintantonio Liuzzi   Toro Rosso 20          1             20             19th

David Coulthard and Nick Heidfeld both gain well from this as does Jenson of course. And Fernando, as defending champion, naturally loses out.

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1st   Ferrari    605 + 480       1085
2nd   Honda      672 + 330       1002
3rd   BMW Sauber 368 + 119 + 102 589
4th   McLaren    195 + 104 + 76  375
5th   Renault    134 + 144       278
6th   Toyota     140 + 120       260
7th   Red Bull   196 + 30        226
8th   Williams   63 + 40         103
9th   Toro Rosso 20              20

Honda and BMW Sauber have a decent season, and Renault lose out.

[dr-baker]

2007

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position  Driver               Team        car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Kimi Raikkonen       Ferrari     6           110           660            1st
2nd       Nick Heidfeld        BMW Sauber  9           61            549            5th
3rd       Felipe Massa         Ferrari     5           94            470            4th
4th       Robert Kubica        BMW Sauber  10          39            390            6th
5th       Nico Rosberg         Williams    16          20            320            9th
6th       Alex Wurz            Williams    17          13            221            11th
7th       Lewis Hamilton       McLaren     2           109           218            2nd=
8th       David Coulthard      Red Bull    14          14            196            10th
9th       Mark Webber          Red Bull    15          10            150            12th
10th      Heikki Kovalainen    Renault     4           30            120            7th

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11th      Fernando Alonso      McLaren     1           109           109            2nd=
12th      Sebastian Vettel                             6             105            14th=
                               (BMW Sauber 10          1             10)   
                               (Toro Rosso 19          5             95)   
13th      Jarno Trulli         Toyota      12          8             96             13th
14th      Takuma Sato          Super Aguri 22          4             88             17th
15th      Giancarlo Fisichella Renault     3           21            63             8th
16th      Ralf Schumacher      Toyota      11          5             55             16th
17th      Vintantonio Liuzzi   Toro Rosso  18          3             54             18th
18th      Jenson Button        Honda       7           6             42             14th=
19th      Adrian Sutil         Spyker      20          1             20             19th

Sebastian Vettel becomes only the second driver since 1996 to score points for two differnt teams. The interesting point to make from this? Remember this year that Schumacher and Rosberg swapped car numbers before the start of the season? Had Ferrari done this, the top three would then be:

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1st       Felipe Massa         Ferrari     6           94            564             4th
2nd       Kimi Raikkonen       Ferrari     5           110           550             1st
3rd       Nick Heidfeld        BMW Sauber  9           61            549             5th

But it didn't turn out like that. And it's only the third time that the world champion in this alternate reality matches the real champion, following on from 1996 and 1998. And imagine how well Lewis could have done in this, his debut season, if only he had not been teammate to the reigning world champion...

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1st   Ferrari     660 + 470       1130
2nd   BMW Sauber  549 + 390 + 10  949
3rd   Williams    320 + 221       541
4th   Red Bull    196 + 150       346
5th   McLaren     218 + 109       327
6th   Renault     120 + 63        183
7th   Toyota      96 + 55         151
8th   Toro Rosso  95 + 54         149
9th   Super Aguri 88              88
10th  Honda       42              42
11th  Spyker      20              20

Inevitable? I think so. Well, apart from the brilliance of Super Aguri beating Honda by more than a factor of 2!

[dr-baker]

And now for the most recent 3 years!

Predictions for champions from 1998 to date:

1998 Hakkinen
1999 Frentzen
2000 Villeneuve (car 22 remember)
2001 Heidfeld maybe?
2002 Button?
2003 Alonso?
2004 Button
2005 Ralf Schumacher (car 17!!)
2006 Button
2007 Heidfeld
2008 Hamilton
2009 Button
2010 Alonso (his total will be over 2000 as long as he comes 8th or better today......)

Button and Heidfeld seem to do very well out of this!

Last three correct. But the facinating thing, considering this year's new points system, is that Fernando wins 2010 with fewer points than Lewis or Jenson did in 2008/9 (thanks to their no. 22!)! And Heidfeld has not won any as it turns out... 8 out of 13 isn't bad though!

Anyway,:

2008

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position  Driver             Team       car number  points total  revised total  original position
1st       Lewis Hamilton     McLaren    22          98            2156           1st
2nd       Heikki Kovalainen  McLaren    23          53            1219           7th
3rd       Sebastian Vettel   Toro Rosso 15          35            525            8th
4th       Jarno Trulli       Toyota     11          31            341            9th
5th       Fernando Alonso    Renault    5           61            305            5th
6th=      Robert Kubica      BMW Sauber 4           75            300            3rd=
6th=      Timo Glock         Toyota     12          25            300            10th
8th       Mark Webber        Red Bull   10          21            210            11th
9th       Felipe Massa       Ferrari    2           97            194            2nd
10th      Rubens Barrichello Honda      17          11            187            14th

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11th      Nick Heidfeld      BMW Sauber 3           60            180            6th
12th      Nico Rosberg       Williams   7           17            119            13th
13th      Nelson Piquet      Renault    6           19            114            12th
14th      Kimi Raikkonen     Ferrari    1           75            75             3rd=
15th=     Kazuki Nakajima    Williams   8           9             72             15th
15th=     David Coulthard    Red Bull   9           8             72             16th
17th      Sebastien Boudais  Toro Rosso 14          4             56             17th
18th      Jenson Button      Honda      16          3             48             18th

Kovalainen, Vettel and Trulli really do gain a lot from this system! And poor old Kimi - champion to 14th! And McLaren really dominated this year, thanks to the spy scandal and subsequant DSQ and large car numbers - it would have been a shock if they could not dominate.

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1st   McLaren    2156 + 1219 3375
2nd   Toyota     341 + 300   641
3rd   Toro Rosso 525 + 56    581
4th   BMW Sauber 300 + 180   480
5th   Renault    305 + 114   419
6th   Red Bull   210 + 72    282
7th   Ferrari    194 + 75    269
8th   Honda      187 + 48    235
9th   Williams   119 + 72    191

Mike Couglan did McLaren a favour here, getting them involved in the spy scandal. I'm sure this must be the most dominant performance to date...

Toro Rosso could have got 2nd in the championship if only Bourdais had done better... The Monza startline problem, given a different set of circumstances, may have swayed this?