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Ferrim wrote:Autosport or it didn't happen.
Besides that, from what I've read in the French link, it doesn't look like they want to start a new team but more like they could give their name to an existing one (Caterham? Or maybe it's just an idea).
pi314159 wrote:According to several F1 news sites, the Brabham family considers a revival of the Brabham team.
http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Brab ... 54383.html
I've only found a french and a german site.
F1 – Brabham could make a return to F1
This remains only a possibility for the moment
31st December 2012, 10:15 am, by D. Thys
The Brabham name almost returned to Formula 1 in 2009 when Formtech submitted an entry with the FIA under the Brabham name for the 2010 season, but the Brabham family were opposed to the use of their name and this project did not continue.
Today, the eventual return of the Brabham name to F1 is no longer a taboo subject for David Brabham, the son of triple world champion, Jack Brabham.
“At the moment, it’s a very delicate subject,” said David Brabham, Jack’s son. “But yes, there remains the possibility of seeing the Brabham name return to F1. At the current time, the situation is difficult behind the scenes about the rights over our name, but it’s 98% resolved, and when it’s completly cleared up, we would like to see what we could do.”
The Brabham F1 team competed in 394 Grands Prix between 1962 and 1992, scoring 35 victories, 4 Drivers’ Titles and 3 Constructors’ Titles.
dr-baker wrote:pi314159 wrote:According to several F1 news sites, the Brabham family considers a revival of the Brabham team.
http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Brab ... 54383.html
I've only found a french and a german site.
Here is a translation that I just did of the French article:F1 – Brabham could make a return to F1
This remains only a possibility for the moment
31st December 2012, 10:15 am, by D. Thys
The Brabham name almost returned to Formula 1 in 2009 when Formtech submitted an entry with the FIA under the Brabham name for the 2010 season, but the Brabham family were opposed to the use of their name and this project did not continue.
Today, the eventual return of the Brabham name to F1 is no longer a taboo subject for David Brabham, the son of triple world champion, Jack Brabham.
“At the moment, it’s a very delicate subject,” said David Brabham, Jack’s son. “But yes, there remains the possibility of seeing the Brabham name return to F1. At the current time, the situation is difficult behind the scenes about the rights over our name, but it’s 98% resolved, and when it’s completly cleared up, we would like to see what we could do.”
The Brabham F1 team competed in 394 Grands Prix between 1962 and 1992, scoring 35 victories, 4 Drivers’ Titles and 3 Constructors’ Titles.
So it looks unlikely for 2013 that there will be a Brabham F1 team, and it seems to infer about an F1 team rather than Matthew Brabham getting to F1...
mario wrote:Meanwhile, that article in the German press seems to suggest that the Brabham family seem to be coming to some sort of out of court agreement with Franz Hilmer, who had expressed an interest in using the Brabham name for a new entry into F1 a few years ago but ended up in a legal dispute with the Brabham family.
So, what this actually seems to mean is that, if somebody wished to enter a team under the name of Brabham, the Brabham family would be prepared to licence the Brabham marque to them. Of course, it is one thing to offer to licence the Brabham name and quite another for somebody to actually submit an entry for a modern "Brabham" team, so it sounds more like an exercise in tidying up some legal loose ends rather than a serious attempt to enter a new team.
Faustus wrote:mario wrote:Meanwhile, that article in the German press seems to suggest that the Brabham family seem to be coming to some sort of out of court agreement with Franz Hilmer, who had expressed an interest in using the Brabham name for a new entry into F1 a few years ago but ended up in a legal dispute with the Brabham family.
So, what this actually seems to mean is that, if somebody wished to enter a team under the name of Brabham, the Brabham family would be prepared to licence the Brabham marque to them. Of course, it is one thing to offer to licence the Brabham name and quite another for somebody to actually submit an entry for a modern "Brabham" team, so it sounds more like an exercise in tidying up some legal loose ends rather than a serious attempt to enter a new team.
The thing is that Brabham was never entered as 'Brabham' or 'Brabham Racing' or anything of the sort. It was always Motor Racing Developments, so it may have nothing to do with the Brabham family? The logo had the word Brabham on it, but that was it.
mario wrote:Unfortunately, since we are relying on the rough and ready translations that Google or similar programs provide, there is some ambiguity in the text, but I guess that they are suggesting that somebody might try to revive the marque/brand name of Brabham as a branding exercise, which is probably why the Brabham family are getting involved.
dr-baker wrote:mario wrote:Unfortunately, since we are relying on the rough and ready translations that Google or similar programs provide, there is some ambiguity in the text, but I guess that they are suggesting that somebody might try to revive the marque/brand name of Brabham as a branding exercise, which is probably why the Brabham family are getting involved.
Excuse me, Mario, but the translation I provided is a translation that I did myself, without Google Translate or the like. It was simple to do - a short text with easy French (at least, it was easy for someone who had studied French to degree level, albeit graduated 7 years ago...).
dr-baker wrote:mario wrote:Unfortunately, since we are relying on the rough and ready translations that Google or similar programs provide, there is some ambiguity in the text, but I guess that they are suggesting that somebody might try to revive the marque/brand name of Brabham as a branding exercise, which is probably why the Brabham family are getting involved.
Excuse me, Mario, but the translation I provided is a translation that I did myself, without Google Translate or the like. It was simple to do - a short text with easy French (at least, it was easy for someone who had studied French to degree level, albeit graduated 7 years ago...).
CoopsII wrote:In my opinion, despite enjoying the nostalgia of seeing names like Lotus or indeed Brabham appearing at F1 events, I think it would be healthier for teams to establish their own legendary credentials, rather than simply borrowing them from someone else. If the Brabham family were to assemble their own team to go racing then that would be fantastic. If the end result is someone like Caterham having the word 'Brabham' slapped all over their livery then its just a waste of time.
AndreaModa wrote:CoopsII wrote:In my opinion, despite enjoying the nostalgia of seeing names like Lotus or indeed Brabham appearing at F1 events, I think it would be healthier for teams to establish their own legendary credentials, rather than simply borrowing them from someone else. If the Brabham family were to assemble their own team to go racing then that would be fantastic. If the end result is someone like Caterham having the word 'Brabham' slapped all over their livery then its just a waste of time.
I completely agree. Part of the reason many people fondly recall seasons gone by is because of the famous names that were part of it all. New teams need to understand that they must create an identity of their own in order to achieve genuine recognition and success, and that takes time and dedication. Changing the team's name every other year is hopeless because for the casual fan there's no brand recollection there when they see Caterham or Marussia on the grid for the first time when they were competing as Lotus and Virgin the year before. For the teams and the sponsors involved with them that's a massive loss, and by piggy-backing on a name like Brabham, or the well-worn Lotus, it devalues the brand and denies the new team the opportunity to create their own identity.
nome66 wrote:maybe they could enter and lure Parmalat or HP back into the F1 ring.
or is Williams still tied to HP?
i think the only Blue/White team should either be a BMW factory entry or Brabham.
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:nome66 wrote:maybe they could enter and lure Parmalat or HP back into the F1 ring.
or is Williams still tied to HP?
i think the only Blue/White team should either be a BMW factory entry or Brabham.
Don't see how F1 is relevant to Hewlett Packard anymore, they've basically given up on selling to consumers are are aiming at big business customers instead. They should try to bring in one of the newer IT manufacturers like Asus instead.
Also, I'm sure the new Parmalat have no interest in F1... 
FMecha wrote:Stramala [kostas22] wrote:nome66 wrote:maybe they could enter and lure Parmalat or HP back into the F1 ring.
or is Williams still tied to HP?
i think the only Blue/White team should either be a BMW factory entry or Brabham.
Don't see how F1 is relevant to Hewlett Packard anymore, they've basically given up on selling to consumers are are aiming at big business customers instead. They should try to bring in one of the newer IT manufacturers like Asus instead.
Two "are"s makes the statement confusing.
mario wrote:dr-baker wrote:pi314159 wrote:According to several F1 news sites, the Brabham family considers a revival of the Brabham team.
http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Brab ... 54383.html
I've only found a french and a german site.
Here is a translation that I just did of the French article:F1 – Brabham could make a return to F1
This remains only a possibility for the moment
31st December 2012, 10:15 am, by D. Thys
The Brabham name almost returned to Formula 1 in 2009 when Formtech submitted an entry with the FIA under the Brabham name for the 2010 season, but the Brabham family were opposed to the use of their name and this project did not continue.
Today, the eventual return of the Brabham name to F1 is no longer a taboo subject for David Brabham, the son of triple world champion, Jack Brabham.
“At the moment, it’s a very delicate subject,” said David Brabham, Jack’s son. “But yes, there remains the possibility of seeing the Brabham name return to F1. At the current time, the situation is difficult behind the scenes about the rights over our name, but it’s 98% resolved, and when it’s completly cleared up, we would like to see what we could do.”
The Brabham F1 team competed in 394 Grands Prix between 1962 and 1992, scoring 35 victories, 4 Drivers’ Titles and 3 Constructors’ Titles.
So it looks unlikely for 2013 that there will be a Brabham F1 team, and it seems to infer about an F1 team rather than Matthew Brabham getting to F1...
Meanwhile, that article in the German press seems to suggest that the Brabham family seem to be coming to some sort of out of court agreement with Franz Hilmer, who had expressed an interest in using the Brabham name for a new entry into F1 a few years ago but ended up in a legal dispute with the Brabham family.
So, what this actually seems to mean is that, if somebody wished to enter a team under the name of Brabham, the Brabham family would be prepared to licence the Brabham marque to them. Of course, it is one thing to offer to licence the Brabham name and quite another for somebody to actually submit an entry for a modern "Brabham" team, so it sounds more like an exercise in tidying up some legal loose ends rather than a serious attempt to enter a new team.
...CoopsII wrote:In my opinion, despite enjoying the nostalgia of seeing names like Lotus or indeed Brabham appearing at F1 events, I think it would be healthier for teams to establish their own legendary credentials, rather than simply borrowing them from someone else. If the Brabham family were to assemble their own team to go racing then that would be fantastic. If the end result is someone like Caterham having the word 'Brabham' slapped all over their livery then its just a waste of time.
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:nome66 wrote:maybe they could enter and lure Parmalat or HP back into the F1 ring.
or is Williams still tied to HP?
i think the only Blue/White team should either be a BMW factory entry or Brabham.
Don't see how F1 is relevant to Hewlett Packard anymore, they've basically given up on selling to consumers are are aiming at big business customers instead. They should try to bring in one of the newer IT manufacturers like Asus instead.
mario wrote:Equally, for a casual fan the significance of the Brabham trademark or other similar outfits from that time is going to be pretty low - they'll probably wonder why they should be interested in the revival of a name from around 20 years ago - whilst the more active motorsport fans are mostly going to deride your attempts to cash in on the nostalgia value.
RAK wrote:Agreed. Some of the casual fans wouldn't even be old enough to remember Brabham's last season in Formula One. Having only seriously got into Formula One in the last three years, I wouldn't have even known that Brabham had existed before taking a greater interest in the history of the sport.
nome66 wrote:maybe they could enter and lure Parmalat or HP back into the F1 ring.
or is Williams still tied to HP?
i think the only Blue/White team should either be a BMW factory entry or Brabham.
DanielPT wrote:Looks like the Brabham name is going nowhere since the family won a legal battle over the name as I don't think that will want to create a team under the Brabham banner again. Unless to help the third generation drivers.
Myrvold wrote:Yup, this case was about something different afaik