Reject of the Race - Italy

noshpit · Post by **noshpit** » 10 Sep 2009, 10:59

I think that all the bitching about singapore last year should get it

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 10 Sep 2009, 11:14

Too soon. We don't start Reject of the Race threads until after everyone has had a go, remember? Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about.

And the Singapore Incident shouldn't get it because a) it was a year ago and b) the bitching is somewhat justified if Renault intentionally caused an accident so their other driver could win.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 10 Sep 2009, 11:43

Captain Hammer - glad to see someone's doing the unofficial thread policing round here...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 10 Sep 2009, 11:46

Captain Hammer wrote:Too soon. We don't start Reject of the Race threads until after everyone has had a go, remember? Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about.

Wise words. One of these days you'll get promoted to Major Hammer.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 10 Sep 2009, 12:35

Also, I was under the impression that the Reject of the Race threads were my baby, if only because of the fact that I need something to quench my ego's thirst. But I didn't want to say anything.

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 10 Sep 2009, 12:36

Let's not go there again

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 10 Sep 2009, 12:37

Again, that's why I didn't say anyhttng.

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 10 Sep 2009, 12:39

Thread locked for the next 24-36 hours or so until the track action at Monza gets underway ...

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 11 Sep 2009, 10:34

Thread re-opened.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 11 Sep 2009, 12:11

My bet will be Red Bull. They're going in for a very safe program over Friday and Saturday to conserve Vettel's engines, and they're going to be very wary of Webber as well. But they'll effectively take themselves out of e championship race because it will give Button the opening he needs to romp away with it.

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 11 Sep 2009, 15:27

Too early to say conclusively, but gee Fisichella is already putting his hand-up with a Badoer-like performance. Especially when Sutil is topping the times ... :lol:

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 11 Sep 2009, 20:00

Fisi will have a good opportunity to embarrass himself in front of the Tifosi... :mrgreen:

Especially when that Force India appears to be faster than the Ferrari...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Sep 2009, 20:17

Red Bull for deliberately running the least laps for better reliablity, only for Webber to have an electrical failure.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 11 Sep 2009, 20:59

Titçe contenders is a great candidate, so far. KERS-nay-sayers is up there as well.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 11 Sep 2009, 21:17

Those who moaned about the new kerbs get my vote at this point, mainly Timo Glock.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 1646.shtml

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 11 Sep 2009, 21:23

Ferrari - for sacking the Monza record holder in favour of someone who's trundling around at the back anyway. But it is far far too early to call.

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 12 Sep 2009, 11:21

Fisichella, for a ridiculous crash at the Parabolica :shock:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 Sep 2009, 12:44

My nominations so far at the end of Q2 are Williams (since when did they start 17th and 18th?) and BMW Sauber ( I mean... 2 mechanical problems in the space of about 5 minutes is just embarrasing)

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:03

Williams (noooooo!) and BMW are looking good!

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:07

I'm going to go for a more specific nomination of BMW engines. I'm fairly sure they would have been in Q3 without those failures.

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:10

If Fisichella finishes behind both Force Indias, he'll be my pick for Reject of the Race :twisted:

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:16

Fisichella - for quite a lazy accident, and for following his heart instead of his head in going to Ferrari, and also denying Badoer of a chance to actually race at a circuit he holds the lap record at

BMW engines - self explanitory

Toro Rosso - Continually mired at the back with no sign of improvement

Rosberg/Williams - outqualified by Nakajima, and both of them are right down at the back

Grosjean - at a circuit where KERS was supposed to be such an advantage, he fails to make it into Q3, and was beaten by Liuzzi who hasn't driven an F1 car since November

watka · Post by **watka** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:24

Fisichella, Williams, and BMW Sauber especially, are early candidates for reasons previously mentioned.

In defense of Grosjean, I think he's just pushing a bit too hard, and once he learns to control that, he will improve.

Also, I think the tension was palpable between Brundle and Legard in the commentary box today. Two parts made me laugh:

Legard: - Going on about BMWs engine failures and how it will effect potential buyers.
Brundle (cutting in): "Enough about engines and look at this."

Legard (after Brundle agrees with FIA corner-cutting penalties): "I bet with your hard-line approach, you'd have 30cm kerbs"
Brundle: "No, I'd install spears so that no one would cut the chicanes"

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:35

BMW for having the same engine problem in both cars.
Fisichella for crashing in FP3 then qualifying 14th.
Rosberg for being beaten by Nakajima
Toyota for yet again being completely unpredictable.

Many Blue Flags · Post by **Many Blue Flags** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:38

BMW Engines

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:39

Fisichella for me - he must feel silly after Sutil put his FI 2nd. I also find it funny that he's gone from IIDOTR last race, to ROTR contender this race.

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 12 Sep 2009, 13:43

Scuderia Toro Rosso without doubt...

...especially when you consider what happened a year ago.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 12 Sep 2009, 15:04

jackanderton wrote:Scuderia Toro Rosso without doubt...

...especially when you consider what happened a year ago.

"Today, we ended up where we deserved to be" - Giorgio Ascanelli
Says it all really.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 12 Sep 2009, 17:10

My guess is going to be Fisichella because of the fact that he got smoked by Liuzzi, made a dumb crash in practice, and a really bad decision on the track.

Jack O Malley · Post by **Jack O Malley** » 12 Sep 2009, 18:39

watka wrote:Fisichella, Williams, and BMW Sauber especially, are early candidates for reasons previously mentioned.

agree.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 12 Sep 2009, 19:01

In fact, Brundle's comment was the even more marked, "I'm bored of BMW engines now..." or something similar.

Read: "I'm bored of you now, Jonathan." And so say we all.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 12 Sep 2009, 22:10

Is Fisi the new Badoer? Hihi... :mrgreen:

thalion · Post by **thalion** » 12 Sep 2009, 22:59

I think it's a testament to Rosberg's dominance that he's already being tipped for ROTR just because he got out-qualified by his teammate for once.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 13 Sep 2009, 03:59

Valrys wrote:Fisichella - for quite a lazy accident, and for following his heart instead of his head in going to Ferrari, and also denying Badoer of a chance to actually race at a circuit he holds the lap record at

You think if Fisichella had said no, Badoer would be in that car? I find that very unlikely!

razta · Post by **razta** » 13 Sep 2009, 05:36

Title contenders - they're gonna make another hash of it.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 13 Sep 2009, 07:47

Lewis Hamilton gets my vote.

This is why: when the fuel weights were released, Hamilton is on pole with seventeen laps of fuel on-board. Kovalainen, on the ther hand, is fourth, but with enough to go for twenty-nine laps. Kovalainen can go eight laps longer and might be able to do a single stop. Hamilton did a last-minute dash for pole, but is now forced to do two sops. So if he were in Kovalainen's position fuel-wise, he'd have a better chance of passing Raikkonen and Sutil rather than of defending is position for pole. But instead, he went for the first slot on the grid, and basically got himself into a better position on the grid, but a worse position for the race. Because Button and Barrichello can do a one-stop, while Kovalainen, Liuzzi, Alonso, Webber and Vettel might be able to pull it off depending on which tyres they start on and how harsh they are on them. Hamilton was in a good position atthe end of the session - about third or fourth - but went out and made an extra dash for pole. He got it, but it's going to be open season on World Champions tonight.

So for getting greedy for a pole position and restricting himself by being the lightest on the grid, Lewis Hamilton gets Reject of the Race

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 13 Sep 2009, 07:55

Captain Hammer wrote:Lewis Hamilton gets my vote.

This is why: when the fuel weights were released, Hamilton is on pole with seventeen laps of fuel on-board. Kovalainen, on the ther hand, is fourth, but with enough to go for twenty-nine laps. Kovalainen can go eight laps longer and might be able to do a single stop. Hamilton did a last-minute dash for pole, but is now forced to do two sops. So if he were in Kovalainen's position fuel-wise, he'd have a better chance of passing Raikkonen and Sutil rather than of defending is position for pole. But instead, he went for the first slot on the grid, and basically got himself into a better position on the grid, but a worse position for the race. Because Button and Barrichello can do a one-stop, while Kovalainen, Liuzzi, Alonso, Webber and Vettel might be able to pull it off depending on which tyres they start on and how harsh they are on them. Hamilton was in a good position atthe end of the session - about third or fourth - but went out and made an extra dash for pole. He got it, but it's going to be open season on World Champions tonight.

So for getting greedy for a pole position and restricting himself by being the lightest on the grid, Lewis Hamilton gets Reject of the Race

And to add to that point in order to save his race he needs to pull out at over a second and a half a lap to make sure he doesn't get held up in his second stint and judging by qualifying times That's not going to happen

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 13 Sep 2009, 08:06

The only way I can see it possibly woring is if Hamilton runs the softer option tyre in his first stint to get them out of the way with. But since his rivals set just about every single fast lap on the harder primes, he's still going to be wide open. If I'm right, KERS won't offer any advantage at all; it will only equilise his times. And he'll be forced to use it in bursts coming out of slower corners rather than going for a hard burn out of the Parabolica before he gets to the line and then laying into it as soon as he's crossed it (which will leave him at his most vunlderable for almost two laps: the lap before he goes for hard burn and the lap that he finishes using it). To make his problems worse, I believe the kerbs have actually been lowered after the qualifying session when cars were being launched into the air for touching them. And the Brawns ride the kerbs far better than the McLarens.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 13 Sep 2009, 10:02

Captain, make a post! The devil's eating your soul!

My ROTR so far is Toro Rosso. The first truly backmarker performance by anyone for a while.

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 13 Sep 2009, 10:03

Paul Hayes wrote:
Valrys wrote:Fisichella - for quite a lazy accident, and for following his heart instead of his head in going to Ferrari, and also denying Badoer of a chance to actually race at a circuit he holds the lap record at

You think if Fisichella had said no, Badoer would be in that car? I find that very unlikely!

Well, I can always dream!