Your Reject of the Race - Suzuka!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 09 Oct 2011, 08:39

To be honest it's a toss-up between Hamilton and Kobayashi for me (sadly becuase I'm a fan of both).

Hamilton seems to have become just as much of a #2 driver as Webber and Massa are at the moment (plus he still has his magnetic attraction to Massa), and Kobayashi just seemed to go backwards from his great grid position, especially when his teammate went from 17th to 8th. Can't help thinking Kobayashi may have been showboating too much in qualifying.

IdeFan · Post by **IdeFan** » 09 Oct 2011, 08:43

Kobayashi

Now I'm going to curl up in my bed and sob

.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Oct 2011, 08:58

My nominations:

Kamui Kobayashi - Enough Said
Bruno Senna - Wrote off the car on Saturday morning before being a complete non-event in the race
Toro Rosso - If they have any hope of moving further up in the standings they need to start doing something good. And fast
Lewis Hamilton - Finishing 5th isn't much to complain about. Shoving Schumacher off the road in qualifying whilst dawdling on an outlap when he really should have been getting a move on before hitting Massa in the race is. And to top it all off he was almost half a minute behind his teammate who has supposedly inferior ultimate pace.

But my ROTR is:

Williams F1: The signs were already bad by Friday evening with one car in the fence and the other parked on the side of the track before showing no pace as a continuation of their "annus horribilus"

IceG · Post by **IceG** » 09 Oct 2011, 09:58

Brundle; for listing all the drivers available to Renault next year and forgetting Kubica - shame

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 09 Oct 2011, 10:04

Oh boy, are there people lining up for this or what?

Lewis Hamilton - Utterly outdriven by Button, there's no other way to put it. Even Massa seemed to have the measure of him for most of the race
Bruno Senna - Bruno, the car's good again (for now), you can stop failing around at the back of the midfield.
Kamui Kobayashi - It saddens me to say this, but dear God he was terrible. He made one pass on Alguersuari (who was rubbish himself) and that was about it.
Toro Rosso - Alguersuari as I said was rubbish, whilst Buemi looked half-decent but became the only retirement when the wheel came off. Coupled to the egg on their face after not going for a second run in Q2, and this was an awful weekend for them.
Vitantonio Liuzzi - I think Ricciardo was keeping up with the Virgins - I certainly recall him being about a second or so behind d'Ambrosio at one point, although that may have been down to a pitstop, but nonetheless, it was a terrible race for Tonio, going across the gravel and not even finishing on the same lap as his teammate.

IceG wrote:Brundle; for listing all the drivers available to Renault next year and forgetting Kubica - shame

I had actually forgotten about that. You're right, that was a rejectful mistake to make.

Ultimately, though, I'll go with Senna. Petrov completely outclassed him, even more than Button did to Hamilton, despite starting one position behind him on the dirty side of the grid. I'm also not mentioning Williams, because, in fairness, their race was not as abysmal as their practice pace suggested.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 09 Oct 2011, 10:39

I'd like to Nominate Polyphony Digital.... For giving away The red Bull X2010 on Gran Turismo 5 to everyone to celebrate Vettel's win

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 09 Oct 2011, 10:45

WeirdKerr wrote:I'd like to Nominate Polyphony Digital.... For giving away The red Bull X2010 on Gran Turismo 5 to everyone to celebrate Vettel's win

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna go turn my PS3 on

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 09 Oct 2011, 12:00

I'm still sticking with Mark Webber. Yet to win a GP this season...shame.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 09 Oct 2011, 12:38

For once I haven't gone for DBTMOTR with Bruno, and where does he finish? :lol:

My other nomination is Toro Rosso, sparing one set fresh options for that? Ohh, wait, and they even spared more with Buemi's special race tactics, which also brought about the only retirement of the race.

Post by **tommykl** » 09 Oct 2011, 12:45

Toro Rosso's pitcrew - for causing the only retirement of the race.

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 09 Oct 2011, 12:52

1) Hamilton and Massa - Honestly, they just can't keep away from each other. Also add to that the fact that they were both completely show up by their teammates (again).
2) Torro Rosso - One driver lacking pace, and the other lacking a wheel...
3) Bruno Senna - Disappointing, shouldn't be fighting with the Williams while his teammate finished in the points

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 09 Oct 2011, 13:49

Bruno Senna - Because he was wasted by BOTH Lotus cars for most of the race, and to be so far off Petrov won't do him any favors with Grosjean and Kubica on the wings.
Kamui Kobayashi - This is now looking seriously grim. The second year hoodoo strikes again :cry:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 09 Oct 2011, 13:51

Kamui Kobayashi - sadly, his bad start and the fact that he didn't get much better meant he was far off
Whoever didn't fasten Buemi's front right tyre tight enough - Self explanatory.
Bruno Senna - awfully slow today... deserves his own ROTR

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 09 Oct 2011, 14:35

TheBigJ wrote:I'm still sticking with Mark Webber. Yet to win a GP this season...shame.

Yep, I pretty much forgot he was even competing this weekend. Very mediocre

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 09 Oct 2011, 15:25

Just got back from watching it recorded, so, here are my nominations:

Mark Webber: If you want to win a race you're gonna have to do better than that. Thrashed by Vettel again.
Kamui Kobayashi: Terrible start and terrible racing to be honest. Sure there was one pass but that was with Alguersuari who wasn't having the best of races either.
Lewis Hamilton: Look mate, if you want to be close to a Ferrari find a used one; you've got the money for one anyway.
Toro Rosso: Only retirement from the race. From a loose wheel nut. Again.
Bruno Senna: Fighting among the John Deeres while Petrov is in the points.
Tonio Liuzzi: Karthikeyan was slow but truth be told I've seen more mistakes from Liuzzi than Karthikeyan this year. So yeah, Narain, come up to the plate, please.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » 09 Oct 2011, 15:29

Vitantonio Liuzzi - every time they cut to him I thought "Oh god what's he done now" :shock:

Kamui Kobayashi - the car had the pace, he didn't

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 09 Oct 2011, 15:38

Felipe Massa - You think Webber is bad by not having won a race? This guy hasn't even made the podium. It's gonna be a miracle if he does.

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 09 Oct 2011, 16:22

Shizuka wrote:Toro Rosso

If you want to finish sixth, you can't go into anonimity. Also, Buemi had a wheel failure. Good job...

That's who I nominate as well.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 09 Oct 2011, 16:35

Williams by far.

Also, Bruno Senna deserves a mention, because your contact with Petrov at start cost him a good finish.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 09 Oct 2011, 17:12

After watching the race, I have to go for Torro Rosso. Buemi's losing a wheel, and Alguersuari's dismal fifthteenth, should be the icing on the cake.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 09 Oct 2011, 17:19

Quite a handful to choose from:

Mark Webber and Felipe Massa: I've never known two multiple race-winning drivers to be completely stuffed by their team-mates, every weekend, all year. Even Barrichello at Ferrari had his good days.

Kamui Kobayashi: Such a shame. Seems so long ago now he was the biggest talent of 2010.

Toro Rosso: Fail.

Williams: EPIC Fail.

But for me, Bruno Senna: For once, the fake Lotus looked like a decent car, yet spent the entire race fighting with Lotus and Williams. And your team-mate finished 9th.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 09 Oct 2011, 17:20

This is a difficult one, isn't it?

I can't bring myself to nominate Kobayashi as I think his 7th place grid slot was way higher than he really should've been plus the midfield was very close all the way through. I didn't really expect Toro Rosso to set the world on fire either so I think giving it to them is a bit harsh. Senna wasn't great, but again not disastrous. I'm also surprising myself by actually getting bored with giving it to Lewis, even though he drove like a tool yet again.

So.......I'm going to give it to Virgin - the 2 drivers fastest laps of the race were over 2 seconds slower than the Lotus drivers, and slower than Ricciardo's best lap. They were also 2 laps down at the end despite the safety car closing the field up. What on earth was going on there?!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 09 Oct 2011, 20:58

Bruno Senna. He is the polar opposite of Heidfeld - decent qualifier, rubbish race pace. Sack him and replace him with Grosjean at the very least, or perhaps a driver who is actually decent.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 09 Oct 2011, 21:03

kostas22 wrote:Bruno Senna. He is the polar opposite of Heidfeld - decent qualifier, rubbish race pace. Sack him and replace him with Grosjean at the very least, or perhaps a driver who is actually decent.

Kubica

And in the meantime GRRRRRRRRJJJJJNNNNN

but i will still nonimate the qualification tyre rules it didn't have much impact on the race, but it's something that's needed to be looked at.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 09 Oct 2011, 21:05

This wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Bruno Senna. He is the polar opposite of Heidfeld - decent qualifier, rubbish race pace. Sack him and replace him with Grosjean at the very least, or perhaps a driver who is actually decent.

Kubica And in the meantime GRRRRRRRRJJJJJNNNNN

You know what's really quite sad? I'd totally forgotten about Kubica

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 10 Oct 2011, 11:40

For me Kobayashi was a disappointment, but my vote must go to Bruno Senna. What the bathplug was he doing all race? Behind both Lotus? Not good mate, not good.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 10 Oct 2011, 11:45

Come back Nick!

Post by **mario** » 10 Oct 2011, 12:23

Barbazza wrote:This is a difficult one, isn't it?

I can't bring myself to nominate Kobayashi as I think his 7th place grid slot was way higher than he really should've been plus the midfield was very close all the way through. I didn't really expect Toro Rosso to set the world on fire either so I think giving it to them is a bit harsh. Senna wasn't great, but again not disastrous. I'm also surprising myself by actually getting bored with giving it to Lewis, even though he drove like a tool yet again.

So.......I'm going to give it to Virgin - the 2 drivers fastest laps of the race were over 2 seconds slower than the Lotus drivers, and slower than Ricciardo's best lap. They were also 2 laps down at the end despite the safety car closing the field up. What on earth was going on there?!

Bear in mind that development of the MVR-02 effectively ceased around the time of the British GP (save for the updated parts that were already in production) after the team broke off its relations with Nick Wirth, whereas everybody else (save HRT) has continued developing their cars.
The MVR-02 was already badly off the pace as it was, and that performance gap has only become wider, especially at an aero intensive track like Suzuka (their mechanical grip doesn't seem to be too bad though judging by their performance in Singapore). At this rate, given that McLaren and Red Bull are still introducing updates on their cars (with both teams now beginning to copy elements off of their rivals cars), there is a chance that maybe one of the MVR's or HRT's could DNQ in Abu Dhabi if they drift ever further from the back of the grid.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 10 Oct 2011, 12:53

kostas22 wrote:Bruno Senna. He is the polar opposite of Heidfeld - decent qualifier, rubbish race pace.

So do people here find him slightly exciting? If so that will be down to the Senna name.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 10 Oct 2011, 14:22

redbulljack14 wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Bruno Senna. He is the polar opposite of Heidfeld - decent qualifier, rubbish race pace.

So do people here find him slightly exciting? If so that will be down to the Senna name.

I don't think there will be a lot of people saying Bruno Senna is slightly exciting in this forum...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 10 Oct 2011, 14:52

DanielPT wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Bruno Senna. He is the polar opposite of Heidfeld - decent qualifier, rubbish race pace.

So do people here find him slightly exciting? If so that will be down to the Senna name.

I don't think there will be a lot of people saying Bruno Senna is slightly exciting in this forum...

Definitely not, I'd rather have Nick Heidfeld back

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Oct 2011, 15:59

But I was there trackside on the day Bruno scored his first, and so far, only points of his career in F1 at Monza - I want to see him in F1 long enough to see him at Williams alongside Josh Hill!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 10 Oct 2011, 16:44

dr-baker wrote:But I was there trackside on the day Bruno scored his first, and so far, only points of his career in F1 at Monza - I want to see him in F1 long enough to see him at Williams alongside Josh Hill!

Will Williams even be around when Josh Hill breaks into F1?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 10 Oct 2011, 16:55

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
dr-baker wrote:But I was there trackside on the day Bruno scored his first, and so far, only points of his career in F1 at Monza - I want to see him in F1 long enough to see him at Williams alongside Josh Hill!

Will Williams even be around when Josh Hill breaks into F1?

Will Hamilton get a one-race ban with Kevin Magnussen having a one-off race at McLaren?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 10 Oct 2011, 17:02

redbulljack14 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
dr-baker wrote:But I was there trackside on the day Bruno scored his first, and so far, only points of his career in F1 at Monza - I want to see him in F1 long enough to see him at Williams alongside Josh Hill!

Will Williams even be around when Josh Hill breaks into F1?

Will Hamilton get a one-race ban with Kevin Magnussen having a one-off race at McLaren?

Will Bruno Senna be triple world champion?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 10 Oct 2011, 18:20

DanielPT wrote:Will Bruno Senna be triple world champion?

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 12 Oct 2011, 00:28

redbulljack14 wrote:Will Hamilton get a one-race ban with Kevin Magnussen having a one-off race at McLaren?

Make it happen!

Only thing is, Kev will have to go on to have a rejectful year and a half with Stewart... only that Stewart have since morphed into Red Bull, and you could put Jean-Pierre Frey in the RB7 and he would still unrejectify himself, even if it was by accident.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 12 Oct 2011, 06:30

dinizintheoven wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Will Hamilton get a one-race ban with Kevin Magnussen having a one-off race at McLaren?

Make it happen!

Only thing is, Kev will have to go on to have a rejectful year and a half with Stewart... only that Stewart have since morphed into Red Bull, and you could put Jean-Pierre Frey in the RB7 and he would still unrejectify himself, even if it was by accident.

Frey would never unrejectify himself, he doesn't know what the concept of a hard braking zone is.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 12 Oct 2011, 08:31

I just realised I haven't posted a nomination since after qualifying, so I'm going to nominate Williams, as they deserve at least one award this year for their continuous run of terrible performances, particularly after these comments from the team:

Hamilton gets the benefit of the doubt, just, as at least this time he did apologise for his in-race accident.

Post by **tommykl** » 12 Oct 2011, 15:45

Cynon wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Will Hamilton get a one-race ban with Kevin Magnussen having a one-off race at McLaren?

Make it happen!

Only thing is, Kev will have to go on to have a rejectful year and a half with Stewart... only that Stewart have since morphed into Red Bull, and you could put Jean-Pierre Frey in the RB7 and he would still unrejectify himself, even if it was by accident.

Frey would never unrejectify himself, he doesn't know what the concept of a hard braking zone is.

That's because he was so slow he never actually did have to brake hard :lol: