F1RWRS -- 2014 Season

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Dec 2011, 01:30

tristan1117 wrote:
Autosport wrote:American Racing Conglomerate Finances in Confusion
In a press conference with ARC CEO Lyle Dalton, Lyle announced that ARC has put the F1RWRS arm of its corporation "on notice" at the moment because of apparent financial difficulties. ARC, a publicly traded company, released its quarterly earnings report last week. Earnings were up, but it appears that ARCF1 (the F1RWRS arm of the corporation) has a budget gap of three million dollars, roughly 2.5 credits. The question is, where did all that money go? ARCF1 has stated that the extra three million dollars were spent in miscellaneous expenses and in driver fees. ARCF1 has also stated that three million dollars is "small change" compared to ARC's total capital. Still, this is the second major scandal to hit the ARC team in two years (after the Tristan Jung debacle) and the leadership of the team has to be in question.

Since the minimum you can spend it´s 5 credits, I decided not to count it when announcing the accounts, but keep it for your records if it makes you happy

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Dec 2011, 01:35

Warren Hughes wrote:So if car 18 is driven by a pay-driver for the rest of the season, I'll get maximum pay-driver money for that car?

No, you still get 13 races (260 credits), but credits are added to accounts every 4 races, regardless the number of races your team runs a pay driver. Say you use a pay driver at rounds 5, 7 and 10, you´ll get 40 credits after round 8 and another 20 after race 12.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Dec 2011, 12:54

I´d ask The Lukas to *please*, give the name of Hiang Hao´s substitute. If it isn´t given I´ll put Sebastian Groves in until you name a pay driver.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 23 Dec 2011, 12:59

You get those changes I wrote on the previous page Aerond?

The Lukas · Post by **The Lukas** » 23 Dec 2011, 14:01

Aerond:OK

Autosport wrote:Sebastian Groves returns to F1RWRS
Team Dofasco Racing confirmed that from the race for the Grand Prix of Mexico in the team Dofasco Racing will drive Sebastian Groves.Frenchman for some time been linked with the Polish team On returning to F1RWRS.the last time you rode in the Team ArrowTech the last two races of the season 2013, also competed for the position in 2014 but lost to Croatian Mirko Bosevicem.
Grzegosz Sobczyk:We are very pleased with the contracted Sebastian which is a very talented driver with whom we have good.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Dec 2011, 14:02

AndreaModa wrote:You get those changes I wrote on the previous page Aerond?

Yeah sure.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 23 Dec 2011, 16:07

I've mentioned my interest of running a GP2 series as well in the rantbox. However, I've now decided to do something more simpler to avoid the flooding problem while still having fun. Here we go...

The Sun wrote:Four F1RWRS Non-Championship Races Confirmed

The F1RWRS Commission confirmed that we will get four official F1RWRS Grands Prix which will not count for the world championship.

The first one is the return of a classic, the English Grand Prix returns, the Castle Combe Circuit was granted an exception from the normal noise nuisance limitations, allowing the Grand Prix to take place. The event will take place during the free weekend between the British and German F1RWRS Grands Prix. 99 laps of high-speed action are coming your way.

The second one will be a new one, we will see the Baltic Sea Grand Prix joining the list of F1RWRS Grands Prix. The obvious equivalent of the North Sea Grand Prix will take place on the Finnish Alastaro Circuit and also be run over 99 laps. Just like the English Grand Prix, this race will use the free space between two championship Grands Prix, being set between the Mediterranean Grand Prix and the North Sea one.

Now the third one will be first of these four to take place after the season has ended. To celebrate the 30th anniversary of the creation of the now commonly used Grand Prix-Strecke, the Nürburgring will replace the missing F1 round with a F1RWRS event, the Luxembourg Grand Prix returns as the first F1RWRS endurance event. Ironically enough, the race is scheduled to take place on the Nordschleife. A special suspension package to allow F1RWRS cars to make the 84 laps (~ 1750 km) around the difficult circuit is currently being produced by Lola.

The final one is the first Spanish Grand Prix, run on the first or second weekend of 2015 on the infamous street circuit in Valencia, this event sponsored by New World Records and will be a special feature seeing a F3RWRS driver and a F1RWRS joining together to make the win. 74 laps of action on one of the few circuits that have earned a desired Reject Of The Race trophy.

Now let me know whether I have crossed the line or not - also confirmation on whether there will be F2- or F3RWRS events taking place in the space of the English and Baltic Sea GPs would be nice. Also, there will be a seperate announcement as far as getting an entry to these races goes.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Dec 2011, 19:08

I think we should have non-championship races only in the off-season, and that one in the off-season in Nurburgring would probably be in snowy conditions!

I wouldn´t do more than two or three of this, and I would also like to see our usual Indy Non-Championship race.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 23 Dec 2011, 19:49

Aerond wrote:I think we should have non-championship races only in the off-season, and that one in the off-season in Nurburgring would probably be in snowy conditions!

I wouldn´t do more than two or three of this, and I would also like to see our usual Indy Non-Championship race.

Well, if we go by today's weather forceast, we could have the Nürburgring event literally on Christmas and it wouldn't be anything but wet. :lol:

Well, then let's take a look at this proposal for after-season racing:
- Budweiser 500
- Luxembourg Grand Prix
- Amazoc Charity Event (instead of the Baltic Sea and English Grands Prix; held at the Mexican WTCC circuit)
- Spanish Grand Prix

Would that be agreeable?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 Dec 2011, 19:53

Scuderia Alitalia would like to know if it is eligible for off-season events despite not being an official 2014 entrant & if superlicenses are required for all competitors in the non-championship races.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 23 Dec 2011, 20:10

I'd like to see some of the old races we used to have in the championship revived as non-championship races. Obviously we still have the Bud 500, and the Surfers SuperPrix is now an event for the F3RWRS, so I like the idea of the English and Luxembourg GPs, less so the new races.

So my proposal would be:
Bud 500 as normal
English GP (or something similar)
Luxembourg GP at the Nurburgring

That's 3 races, which is more than enough in my opinion for the off-season, which is ages away yet anyway!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 Dec 2011, 20:34

AndreaModa wrote:I'd like to see some of the old races we used to have in the championship revived as non-championship races. Obviously we still have the Bud 500, and the Surfers SuperPrix is now an event for the F3RWRS, so I like the idea of the English and Luxembourg GPs, less so the new races.

So my proposal would be:
Bud 500 as normal
English GP (or something similar)
Luxembourg GP at the Nurburgring

That's 3 races, which is more than enough in my opinion for the off-season, which is ages away yet anyway!

I liked the concept of an F1RWRS and F3RWRS driver being paired-up for an enduro though. Can we do that at Luxembourg? Although I suppose there may not be enough drivers for that in just F3RWRS, perhaps it can also include things like F2RWRS & Big Car Championship. I would have plenty of drivers available to loan out to F1RWRS squads with no junior teams.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 23 Dec 2011, 21:03

The Lukas wrote:Aerond:OK
Autosport wrote:Sebastian Groves returns to F1RWRS
Team Dofasco Racing confirmed that from the race for the Grand Prix of Mexico in the team Dofasco Racing will drive Sebastian Groves.Frenchman for some time been linked with the Polish team On returning to F1RWRS.the last time you rode in the Team ArrowTech the last two races of the season 2013, also competed for the position in 2014 but lost to Croatian Mirko Bosevicem.
Grzegosz Sobczyk:We are very pleased with the contracted Sebastian which is a very talented driver with whom we have good.

Sebastian Groves wrote:I'm happy to drive for Dofasco Racing, hopefully they shall give me a good car. I know they haven't scored a point this season but I hope that I can make that happen. I've gotten a lot of sponsors since my performance at Brazil last year, that should hopefully help the team. I'm very excited to meet the team in person - I just got the phone call today saying I'm in the seat.

Boring Press Release wrote:FOX BLAMES MR. FALIK'S NON APPEARANCES FOR ABYSMAL START
As ArrowTech's season unfolds, the first three races have only sprouted one point, in the recent race from Daniel Martins. Despite this, The Fox is still happy with both drivers' performance thus far this season, despite the fact that pre-season signing Mirko Bosevic has not had a good race so far. "It's not really their fault, it's the car for being rubbish." The Fox noted that he had a deal with Minardi to design their chassis for the season, until a contract dispute led to them signing for Jones Racing instead. "I'm not angry or upset, just baffled at Minardi for why they would not sign with us." Despite their shortcomings, The Fox is still optimistic about the future in the long term, but not for the season. "Right now," said The Fox, "we are currently planning each race one at a time and we shall focus on bringing the best out of the car considering the circumstances and moving on if there's a bad performance. We've got nobody to blame but ourselves. However," said The Fox, "it would be nice if Mr. Falik would show up more often to the races. I haven't seen him in person for weeks, and I know he's busy, planning all the promotional events, but he owns 50% of the team, and I expect him to at least attempt to show up at the next races. It would be very nice if he did show up."

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 23 Dec 2011, 21:05

Sammy Jones wrote:Yer snooze, yer loose Mr Fox!

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 23 Dec 2011, 21:10

AndreaModa wrote:
Sammy Jones wrote:Yer snooze, yer loose Mr Fox!

The Fox wrote:Shaddup, or I'll throw an essence of DNQ at you*! Maybe I'll get Prince Falik to put a voodoo curse on you guys...
*Referring to ArrowTech's early history of not qualfying in 2011 and especially 2012

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 23 Dec 2011, 23:44

If we have more than two off-season races, could it be renamed as a Winter Series? After all, FRenault UK/GB has a Winter Series that is simply 3 races on one weekend at one track, I believe... (Or a couple of races over two weekends at two tracks, but you get the idea...). Like the old GP2 Asia Series.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:21

dr-baker wrote:If we have more than two off-season races, could it be renamed as a Winter Series? After all, FRenault UK/GB has a Winter Series that is simply 3 races on one weekend at one track, I believe... (Or a couple of races over two weekends at two tracks, but you get the idea...). Like the old GP2 Asia Series.

I like the sound of that. A RWR winter Series. Also, if such a thing comes to frutition, can we maybe have a rule saying you must run Your team with aN F1 and F2/3RWRS drivers? Like an enduro with three drivers, one from each series.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:22

Autosport wrote:MRT engine workshop opens to other teams

With the recent expansion of Melrose Racing Team's engine workshop in Cologne now complete, extra capacity has now been opened up for teams to use as a consultancy service for engine upgrades in the F1RWRS. While the F1RWRS Commission is yet to approve of the deal, MRT owner Daniel Melrose believes that it'll be beneficial to the sport. "While this is a considerable expense for us, we believe it'll reduce costs for the rest of the teams in the championship as well as improve the quality of the engines BMW produce for the F2RWRS and F3RWRS."

Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:24

So you'll basically have an extra 200 credits which you must use on the engine?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:26

AdrianSutil wrote:So you'll basically have an extra 200 credits which you must use on the engine?

Pretty much :lol:

Besides, I have to give the lazy buggers at the workshop SOMETHING to do.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:34

Wizzie wrote:Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

Why do the better teams get rewarded with cheaper updates? Isn't their advantage big enough as it is already?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:37

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

Why do the better teams get rewarded with cheaper updates? Isn't their advantage big enough as it is already?

But teams outside the top 10 get the cheaper updates AND the free upgrade. But I do see your point, maybe the upgrade for teams in the top 10 should be halved to help alleviate that problem.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Dec 2011, 01:40

AdrianSutil wrote:
dr-baker wrote:If we have more than two off-season races, could it be renamed as a Winter Series? After all, FRenault UK/GB has a Winter Series that is simply 3 races on one weekend at one track, I believe... (Or a couple of races over two weekends at two tracks, but you get the idea...). Like the old GP2 Asia Series.

I like the sound of that. A RWR winter Series. Also, if such a thing comes to frutition, can we maybe have a rule saying you must run Your team with aN F1 and F2/3RWRS drivers? Like an enduro with three drivers, one from each series.

Three drivers per car is a bit much. Not sure there are enough virtual drivers to cover that. But I'm all in favour of pairing up between higher and lower formulae drivers.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 24 Dec 2011, 02:16

Wizzie wrote:
Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Basically, what I'm proposing is from 2015 onwards, all teams will have access to one engine upgrade at half price, up to a value of 200 credits, to use at any point during the season. Any teams that finished outside the top 10 in the championship as well as all new teams will also have access to one free upgrade to the value of 200 credits.

Why do the better teams get rewarded with cheaper updates? Isn't their advantage big enough as it is already?

But teams outside the top 10 get the cheaper updates AND the free upgrade. But I do see your point, maybe the upgrade for teams in the top 10 should be halved to help alleviate that problem.

Oh! Talk about eggs on faces. :oops:

I read that wrong and thought only the top teams get the cheaper upgrade. Ignore me.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 24 Dec 2011, 05:32

I was incredibly bored so I decided to make an F1RWRS trivia quiz on Sporcle. Its not public, in case anyone wanted to know.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/tristan1117/f1rwrs-trivia

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 24 Dec 2011, 09:14

I´m in favour of helping non-top 10 teams, but I don´t see every team getting help, but only those outside top 10 should, or those not to reach a certain ammount of points during the year. Let´s develop this idea a little bit more

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 24 Dec 2011, 09:26

F1RWRS 2014 - ROUND 4 - MEXICAN GP - Hermanos Rodriguez

Weather Forecast:
PREQ: Light Rain
Q1: Light Rain
Q2: Dry
RACE: Dry

PRE-QUALIFYING (drivers in bold go into qualifying)

1. Phoenix McAllister (Phoenix) -- 1.28.317
2. Ron Mignolet (Acuri) -- 1.28.776 (+0.459)
3. Tomislaw Tajner (Dofasco) -- 1.28.933 (+0.616)
4. Giovanni Roda (Trueba) -- 1.29.450 (+1.133)
5. Andrea Acuri (Acuri) -- 1.29.514 (+1.197)
6. Gary Cameron (Prospec) -- 1.29.684 (+1.367)
7. Jean Luc Schiller (Prospec) -- 1.29.820 (+1.503)
8. Sebastian Groves (Dofasco) -- 1.29.820 (+1.503)
9. The Stig (Phoenix) -- 1.29.982 (+1.665)
10. Matthias Valsattis (Mitie) -- 1.29.983 (+1.666)
11. Jason Van Dycke (Shonan) -- 1. 31.236 (+2.919)
12. Francois Albertini (Shonan) -- 1.31.448 (+3.131)
13. James Davies (Mecha) -- 1.31.571 (+3.254)
14. Saeed Al Faisal (Mecha) -- 1.31.822 (+3.505)
15. Miko Fakkinen (Tropico) -- 1.32.025 (+3.708)
16. Fredo Mestolio (Trueba) -- 1.32.036 (+3.719)
17. Stephen Mackintosh (Mitie) -- 1.32.114 (+3.797)
18. Darren Older Jr (Tropico) -- 1.36.085 (+7.768)

** Phoenix to skip Pre-Qualifying at Round 5.

QUALIFYING

*** Jones will have to Pre-Qualify at Round 5

RACE

It seemed like a repetition of the Brazilian race at the beggining: Spencer dominating from the start and Dagnall losing time against Nicolas for a while, only this time Scott also seemed to get into the equation, only for his DGN to fail in lap 4, leaving Nicolas all alone in contention for 3rd place as Dagnall and Spencer went on another head to head for the win. Dagnall seemed faster in the first part of the race, but once the first round of stops happened, Spencer opened the gap once again. He´d have won if the MRT lasted, seeing as Dagnall had to pit once again to repair a faulty wheel. He´s been lucky so far, as most of his car troubles were solved in time, meaning he´s leading the championship.

It´s hard to tell whether Moll or de Bock will aim for the title yet. While the car seems quite reliable and consistent, they haven´t been able to match DGN´s and MRT´s yet. It shouldn´t matter much, as Mark Dagnall was able to snap the title that way last year. As for Kamaha, what was a huge surprise with Steele stepping into the podium in Brazil has turned now into discomfort by rival teams as they see a new potential winner when the top two fail to finish. Mori drove an excellent race and finished 2nd on its own merit. It may have been left Kay Lon asking himself why he switched cars last year, given Sunshine´s current state of form. The German paid for a heavy car in the beggining, only to retire when he had points positions close once his strategy paid off.

The other team Lon raced for last year, Jones, had a terrible weekend. Both drivers retiring with mechanical issues one year after that brilliant win, and the PreQualifying awaiting for them once again for next round. It really felt like going backwards and for that reason they´re awarded our ROTR. The other team which seemed to reverse their luck for this weekend (but the positive way), were Foxdale. The recent engine update paid off this time and Mann ended the race a solid 4th, while we´ve seen the most consistent Christopherson of the season so far. The veteran seems to be slowly finding his way into F1RWRS.

We have spoken a lot about Mignolet being our discovery of the season and he kept on demonstrating why. Having been able to outqualify Andrea Acuri once again, his race seemed totally destroyed when he was totally unable to get past Kay Lon during the first stint thanks to the Acuri´s lack of top speed. That, and the fact he found himself behind all of his rivals for points, the Belgian drove a fantastic second half of the race and got past everybody in his league to score another point. Amazing drive. He took advantage of Bosevic retirement. It´s not the first time it happens to him this season but he should be able to start scoring soon.

The other remarkable words should go to Dofasco. While their drivers are not enjoying top equipment, they were able to shine in the wet and then qualify one of the cars for the Sunday race. This experience will be positive to them and they might have increased their confidence a lot for next round.

All in all, despite we didn´t see a good fight for positions at the top of the field, drivers in the middle kept the race alive. Now that Pay Drivers must deposit a first ammount of money into team´s bank accounts before next weekend, it´ll be interesting to check how it works out.

FASTEST LAP: Mark Dagnall -- 1.24.847
ROTR: Jones - Dismal weekend one year after brilliant debut: Two retirements and mediocre qualifying means they´ll have to go to PreQ.

STANDINGS (After 4 Rounds)

DRIVERS

1. Mark Dagnall - 22 pts
2. Thomas de Bock - 13 pts
3. Phillippe Nicolas - 10 pts
=. Nathanael Spencer - 10 pts
5. Shinobu Katayama - 9 pts
6. Daniel Melrose - 8 pts
7. Barii Mori - 6 pts
8. Nicolas Steele - 4 pts
=. Aurelien Moll - 4 pts
10. Frank Zimmer - 3 pts
=. Rhys Davies - 3 pts
=. Douglas Mann - 3 pts
=. Ron Mignolet - 2 pts
14. Ashley Watkinson - 2 pts
=. Sammy Jones - 2 pts
16. Jesus Plaza - 1 pt
=. Daniel Martins - 1 pt

CONSTRUCTORS

1. DGNgineering - 22 pts
2. MRT - 20 pts
3. Gillet - 17 pts
4. Jones - 10 pts
=. Kamaha - 10 pts
6. Sunshine - 9 pts
7. HRT - 5 pts
8. GRM - 3 pts
=. Acuri - 3 pts
=. Foxdale - 3 pts
11. ARC - 1 pt
=. Arrowtech - 1 pt

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Dec 2011, 10:07

Aerond wrote:I´m in favour of helping non-top 10 teams, but I don´t see every team getting help, but only those outside top 10 should, or those not to reach a certain ammount of points during the year. Let´s develop this idea a little bit more

I've got a basic concept on that points idea and basing it off last year's constructors standings:

Garry Rogers finished 8th in the constructors championship last year on 21 points. Prospec were 9th but only on 12 points and NOBODY would consider Prospec to be anywhere near a top team. If we use that as a starting point then, it would be reasonable that a relatively successful team would be one that scored around 15 points or more in a season.

Using that same principle, we can safely assume that unless a meteor strikes the earth or something similarly dramatic, the current top 5 teams in the standings will clear that bar easily (Infact, MRT have already cleared that bar). One would also put smart money on, reliability permitting, HRT and GRM both clearing that bar as well based on previous form. Even though Kamaha is between those two teams in the standings, I personally believe that it'll be marginal as to whether Kamaha can get more than 15 points this year or not.

All things remaining equal however, Kamaha will probably be the team who finishes 8th in the constructors championship and will therefore represent my theoretical cutoff points between a team that might need assistance and one that doesn't. Therefore, using complex calculations and my oversized ego, the cutoff point should be EITHER the top 8 or 15 points, whichever one works best for the situation.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Dec 2011, 10:49

Wizzie wrote:
Aerond wrote:I´m in favour of helping non-top 10 teams, but I don´t see every team getting help, but only those outside top 10 should, or those not to reach a certain ammount of points during the year. Let´s develop this idea a little bit more

I've got a basic concept on that points idea and basing it off last year's constructors standings:

Garry Rogers finished 8th in the constructors championship last year on 21 points. Prospec were 9th but only on 12 points and NOBODY would consider Prospec to be anywhere near a top team. If we use that as a starting point then, it would be reasonable that a relatively successful team would be one that scored around 15 points or more in a season.

Using that same principle, we can safely assume that unless a meteor strikes the earth or something similarly dramatic, the current top 5 teams in the standings will clear that bar easily (Infact, MRT have already cleared that bar). One would also put smart money on, reliability permitting, HRT and GRM both clearing that bar as well based on previous form. Even though Kamaha is between those two teams in the standings, I personally believe that it'll be marginal as to whether Kamaha can get more than 15 points this year or not.

All things remaining equal however, Kamaha will probably be the team who finishes 8th in the constructors championship and will therefore represent my theoretical cutoff points between a team that might need assistance and one that doesn't. Therefore, using complex calculations and my oversized ego, the cutoff point should be EITHER the top 8 or 15 points, whichever one works best for the situation.

There's always an exception to prove the rule, and last year, that would have been Foxdale!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 24 Dec 2011, 11:08

That's all well and good, but you also have to factor in the amount of credits given out to those top 8 teams. For example, there was a gross imbalance in the number of credits won by Dagnall Engineering and MRT and the rest of the field at the end of 2013. Even with the cap limiting their winnings to 1000 credits, look which teams are sitting pretty at the top. They basically had a licence to do whatever they wanted. Teams slightly further down the order, but still within the top 8 like Sunshine, ArrowTech, etc are now struggling for points, and like for example Jones Racing and HRT, will make very little impression on the front group because they simply don't have the credits to pump into engine performance updates or similar upgrades. I've had to sacrifice some driver consistency this year with my chassis choice in order for Jones Racing to be more reliable and even stand a chance of scoring points during a race, and even then it was a bloody struggle to try and work out how I would make it work.

My point is that you can give those teams outside the top 8, or whatever level is decided, the extra help, but you'll then have a marginalised bunch of teams that are just off the front pack which will get a really hard deal, even though they've demonstrated some good pace, good results, and good team management. It wouldn't surprise me if ArrowTech for example, struggle quite badly this year and end up in pre-qualifying in the second half of the season. Considering they finished 5th overall last year, you'd expect them to be competitive again, but JeremyMclean couldn't quite afford the Minardi chassis which I then sneaked from under his nose. He wasn't credit-poor and unable to do anything, but he might as well have been because the amount he had meant he could do very little to improve the team when those others like MRT, etc were making big gains to put them right at the front.

If nothing changes then I see Jones Racing in that position come the end of the 2014 season. I have my own plans on what I intend to do, and I'd like to think I know what I'm doing with the system, seeing as I came in with the leftovers of last season's chassis and engine choices and won a race first time out. But I still think I'll never be able to challenge the domination of Dagnall, MRT, et al., which is quite sad, and establishes the kind of elite order you normally see in professional sport like the Premier League which has only been won by 4 teams since 1991! It would be shame for the F1RWRS, through nobody's fault I might add, to end up in a similar position.

Therefore, to actually get to my proposal, what I suggest is that the award of bonus credits should be based on the amount of credits won over the year. That way, the obviously disadvantaged teams get some support, because ultimately it's the amount of credits a team has available to them that determines their performance next season. Of course they have to spend them correctly, but that's the team manager's responsibility.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 24 Dec 2011, 12:48

AndreaModa wrote:Teams slightly further down the order, but still within the top 8 like Sunshine, ArrowTech, etc are now struggling for points, and like for example Jones Racing and HRT, will make very little impression on the front group because they simply don't have the credits to pump into engine performance updates or similar upgrades. I've had to sacrifice some driver consistency this year with my chassis choice in order for Jones Racing to be more reliable and even stand a chance of scoring points during a race, and even then it was a bloody struggle to try and work out how I would make it work.

The true problem isn't the fact that these teams afford to can pay more than others, more the fact that some cars seem immune to the huge inconsistencies the other cars are having. I mean, let's compare Mark Dagnall's (4, 3, 2) to Douglas Mann's (8, 28, 5) qualifying results and you will notice how these numbers seem to unfold. All of this, note, without any consistency updates done for Dagnall. To put it simple, the problem is that the difference in the "regularity" department is obviously too big between good and bad chassis, making everything else rather irrelevant, because even a 13500 pay-driver would beat a 14000 normal driver if the normal driver suffers a random grip range somewhere close to 1000 every weekend because of the chassis he's having.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Dec 2011, 13:25

Klon wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Teams slightly further down the order, but still within the top 8 like Sunshine, ArrowTech, etc are now struggling for points, and like for example Jones Racing and HRT, will make very little impression on the front group because they simply don't have the credits to pump into engine performance updates or similar upgrades. I've had to sacrifice some driver consistency this year with my chassis choice in order for Jones Racing to be more reliable and even stand a chance of scoring points during a race, and even then it was a bloody struggle to try and work out how I would make it work.

The true problem isn't the fact that these teams afford to can pay more than others, more the fact that some cars seem immune to the huge inconsistencies the other cars are having. I mean, let's compare Mark Dagnall's (4, 3, 2) to Douglas Mann's (8, 28, 5) qualifying results and you will notice how these numbers seem to unfold. All of this, note, without any consistency updates done for Dagnall. To put it simple, the problem is that the difference in the "regularity" department is obviously too big between good and bad chassis, making everything else rather irrelevant, because even a 13500 pay-driver would beat a 14000 normal driver if the normal driver suffers a random grip range somewhere close to 1000 every weekend because of the chassis he's having.

Are you saying that Douglas Mann/Foxdale could do with improving their "regularity"? Can credits be spent to improve this? Is this part of where I'm going wrong! :shock:

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 24 Dec 2011, 13:31

I agree, I thought it may have been the case when I took the Minardi chassis on, and it's turned out to be correct. Though I'd rather have a bit of inconsistency than unreliability and finish the races, which due to attrition will mean more often than not one of the cars will score some points. But the point is, before the season is under-way that's all I'm aiming for! Even though Jones Racing could have potentially finished second in last season's championship, for me to try and get rid of the unreliability which eventually cost me that second place, I've had to sacrifice the consistency of last season's chassis to obtain one which is more reliable. As a result, whether I stuck with my previous chassis or took the new one, I automatically knew I wouldn't be able to challenge right at the front because Dagnall and Gillet are one step ahead of me, whilst MRT have come in with so many credits they don't know what to spend them on.

The thing is, when you have a lot of credits, you don't need to make sacrifices, as you can cover everything, whereas with a smaller number of credits, you have to sacrifice one or even two areas, just to be competitive in another area. As you go down the field, this effect obviously becomes more pronounced, but if you were to artificially counter that by awarding the lower placed teams with more credits, those teams in the midfield, behind the front group but ahead of the rest, will feel the effects most. That's why I think it should be based on the number of credits won. MRT ended up with a ridiculous amount of credits at the end of last year, yet finished miles behind most of the teams, and look where they are now. Clearly with another 200 credits for them it would make it even more unfair. It needs to be a sliding scale, with more for the poorer teams, regardless of where they finished. This would level the playing field much more than what it is now where I know that barring a freak race, Jones Racing won't win at all this year, ArrowTech probably won't make the podium, and Foxdale can forget about any sort of decent points haul.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Dec 2011, 13:37

Actually, I'ld like to point out that MRT started this year with basically the same amount of credits as Foxdale

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 24 Dec 2011, 13:49

Wizzie wrote:Actually, I'ld like to point out that MRT started this year with basically the same amount of credits as Foxdale

Well then that's just poor management on dr-baker's part I'm afraid to say. Ultimately we all must have responsibility for the decisions we take as team managers - for example the 50 credits I've just spend on engine upgrades I might have just pissed away when I could have put them to better use on Sammy Jones' race performance or whatever.

But the point still stands that you can only do what you can with the amount of credits you're given. It's painfully obvious even this season without the bonus credits idea from Wizzie that upper midfield teams have been completely shafted because they've had neither ROTR/ROTY bonuses, nor performance bonuses from finishing near the front. It's even worse for the teams nearer the back who aren't quite crap enough to pick up ROTRs, or be in contention for ROTY, and have no hope of even getting a driver into the top 10 at the end of the year. Okay so they might scrape into the team's top 10, but when the 1st placed team scoops 300 credits and 10th place gets a pathetic 5, how on earth can we expect lower placed teams to have a hope in hell of challenging the top teams which will continually improve year-on-year with all the credits they win?

To put this in perspective:

As it stands, after three races MRT have already collected 75 credits from three pole positions, 20 credits from two fastest laps, and a further 10 credits from a ROTR. Plus 20pts which at 5 credits per point, works out at 100 credits. So that's 205 credits in just 3 races! You can't tell me that in it's current form, the credits award system is fair. It's woefully flawed.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Dec 2011, 14:37

AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Actually, I'ld like to point out that MRT started this year with basically the same amount of credits as Foxdale

Well then that's just poor management on dr-baker's part I'm afraid to say.

To be honest, that is simply because I am here to enjoy to game and not fully understanding the intrinsic nature of the chassis/engine figures etc. and therefore guessing where to spend the credits!. 8-)

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 24 Dec 2011, 15:15

Well, let´s see. The winner this year gets less credits than last year, as well as the second, and next year turbo engines (which are most powerful), will be banned, effectively reducing differences between teams at the top. Now, I understand Adreamoda´s point of view, and that´s why I encourage people to come with new ideas on how to make this better. Now, for example, Foxdale´s inconsistency is not purely down to the chassis (which it is up to some point), but it is because a random grip number was given to each driver at the end of the season and Douglas Mann may´ve fallen on the unlucky side. This random grip number (which is between 1800 and 2500, and then inconsistency chassis points are added to it) is given again at the beggining of each season, so that´s a matter of luck I guess, and is high so we get more surprises.
Gillet also had a great number of credits to spend and, for now, it hasn´t paid off that much...
As I said before, I´m all for more equal racing, but I´d also keep on rewarding those teams doing better. Maybe TV rights credits (which are right now 200 for every team at the end of the year), could be given reversely favouring those teams at the back, with Top 3 teams not getting any-

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 24 Dec 2011, 15:39

No, I agree, rewarding the top teams is perfectly acceptable and should be a large part of the rewards involved. But the problem is already that gap is increasing, so whilst I think we should continue to reward thos teams that do well, we should also have an 'equaliser' awarded at the end of the season to all teams, to bring some sort of equality back into it. An example off the top of my head could be:

An award of x amount of credits to each team, depending on how many they've won over the year (not including pay driver credits). This will be percentage based, so say for example the top team at the end of the year is left with the highest amount of credits, we'll call that 1000 credits. The worst team at the bottom of the field is left with just the 200 credits given out as 'TV money', so therefore has a deficit of 800 credits to the best team. To balance this out a little bit, the 'equaliser' would involve a little bit of maths, I'm not sure whether you're happy to implement this Aerond, I can understand if you're not. Essentially it would take the form of a simple equation:

H/T=n where the highest team's credit amount, H, is divided by the specific team's credit amount, T, giving a value, n.

(nX10)% of H = Equaliser amount awarded. n is then multiplied by 10, which gives the percentage of the highest team's credit amount that should be awarded to that specific team.

So, for example: Tropico end the year as the bottom team. They receive only the 'TV money' of 200 credits. MRT finish top, and with the cap have the maximum 1000 credits. Tropico are our team, T, and MRT are our team, H.

1000/200=5 and thus: (5X10)=50% of 1000 which is 500.

Thus Tropico would receive 500 additional credits as an 'equaliser' payment, bringing their total to 700 credits. It's still less than MRT, but bring them on a par with midfield teams, say for example Jones Racing ends up with 500 credits at the end of the year, that would mean their equaliser would be 20% of MRT's 1000, which would give them 200, and a total of 700, thus equal with Tropico.

This requires a bit of work to calculate, but it looks more complicated than what it really is, Aerond would be the only one needing to calculate it, so it's down to him as to whether he's prepared to use formulas like this.

This is only a basic suggestion, and I'm aware that simply awarding Tropico 500 credits out of the blue seems a bit generous, but a similar idea could be worked out. This example has just been for inspiration to show what something could potentially do to balance the field.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 24 Dec 2011, 15:48

AndreaModa wrote:No, I agree, rewarding the top teams is perfectly acceptable and should be a large part of the rewards involved. But the problem is already that gap is increasing, so whilst I think we should continue to reward thos teams that do well, we should also have an 'equaliser' awarded at the end of the season to all teams, to bring some sort of equality back into it. An example off the top of my head could be:

An award of x amount of credits to each team, depending on how many they've won over the year (not including pay driver credits). This will be percentage based, so say for example the top team at the end of the year is left with the highest amount of credits, we'll call that 1000 credits. The worst team at the bottom of the field is left with just the 200 credits given out as 'TV money', so therefore has a deficit of 800 credits to the best team. To balance this out a little bit, the 'equaliser' would involve a little bit of maths, I'm not sure whether you're happy to implement this Aerond, I can understand if you're not. Essentially it would take the form of a simple equation:

H/T=n where the highest team's credit amount, H, is divided by the specific team's credit amount, T, giving a value, n.

(nX10)% of H = Equaliser amount awarded. n is then multiplied by 10, which gives the percentage of the highest team's credit amount that should be awarded to that specific team.

So, for example: Tropico end the year as the bottom team. They receive only the 'TV money' of 200 credits. MRT finish top, and with the cap have the maximum 1000 credits. Tropico are our team, T, and MRT are our team, H.

1000/200=5 and thus: (5X10)=50% of 1000 which is 500.

Thus Tropico would receive 500 additional credits as an 'equaliser' payment, bringing their total to 700 credits. It's still less than MRT, but bring them on a par with midfield teams, say for example Jones Racing ends up with 500 credits at the end of the year, that would mean their equaliser would be 20% of MRT's 1000, which would give them 200, and a total of 700, thus equal with Tropico.

This requires a bit of work to calculate, but it looks more complicated than what it really is, Aerond would be the only one needing to calculate it, so it's down to him as to whether he's prepared to use formulas like this.

This is only a basic suggestion, and I'm aware that simply awarding Tropico 500 credits out of the blue seems a bit generous, but a similar idea could be worked out. This example has just been for inspiration to show what something could potentially do to balance the field.

The idea itself is not bad, as you said, giving Tropico 500 credits is maybe too much. We also have to have in count that a team like Tropico uses two Pay Drivers. I remind that using two pay drivers during a whole season brings in 640 credits, which is what Tropico will get for using it. Now, Tropico, in order to get more Equaliser money could spend all credits before the 16th race of the previous season therefore earning an extra 500 credits, so we need to establish a formula in which nobody gets the type of advantage Wizzie gained last year by having two teams, saving money with one then merging both to create a super team.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 24 Dec 2011, 15:49

Now, Pre-qualifying results up!!