Your Reject of the Race - Japan!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Oct 2009, 01:56

ROTR should be the way the grid penalties are implemented. As I said in the Japanese GP discussion thread in reality it penalises people like Kubica and Alguersuari who should be further up the grid and gives people like Barrichello an effective get out of jail free card.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 04 Oct 2009, 04:55

My ROTR is the stewards for cocking up the grid.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 04 Oct 2009, 06:38

Reject of the Race to the actual race for being such a letdown after practice and all the qualifying sessions had my hopes up for a 1996 Monaco GP.

Despite the fact that Toro Rosso is a more deserving choice.

Honorable mention to the suggestion that Nelson Piquet Junior is going to NASCAR.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 04 Oct 2009, 06:38

STR.

Fail.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Oct 2009, 06:53

ROTR must go to STR... they spend more time off the track than on it.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 04 Oct 2009, 06:56

now, with race over:

Str drivers: Wings Damage, Chassis Damage, Spins....
Grosjean: Lapped by team mate and everything. (of course, safety car helped this, but he's lapped).
Kovalainen: Hits Sutil and no scores points against a podium of hamilton.

Enrique Bernoldi · Post by **Enrique Bernoldi** » 04 Oct 2009, 07:19

Changing my vote to Torro Rosso because they had an even more reject worthy race!

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 04 Oct 2009, 07:58

As per usual, I have four nominees.

Torro Rosso

No explanation needed. Four crashes, a stall at the start and a grid penalty after qualifying.

However, something did come about from Alguersuari's crash, it spiced up the last few laps of the race, just as the threshold of tedium combined with a very early race equated into sleep.

Mark Webber

Not that he himself did anything rejectful, he even set the fastest lap at the end of the race. The nomination is more down to his luck, which after holding reasonably well through most of the season, has truly deserted him now.

F1 Ultra-reliability

After yesterday's qualifying and the carnage that happened within, as well as the amount of components changes afterwards, you'd be forgiven for thinking that the race would be equally as exciting. But instead we have just a few laps of remotely close racing, and even those came at the expense of the new boy.

Heikki Kovalainen's Defence

An entirely pointless, half-arsed, clumsy and slow moving block on Adrian Sutil results in an entirely pointless, half-arsed, clumsy and slow-moving accident, that denied Force India the chance of some points at Suzuka. There was no real reason for him to defend: Sutil had the line and Kovalainen had to go off-track in order to remain alongside, plus Sutil was going to pit the next lap anyway, he would easily be taken at his stop. Even the resulting spin seemed rejectful. However, tha banzai move on Fisi out of the pits saves Heikki from being entirely nominated, so I'm just going for his defensive work.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 04 Oct 2009, 08:12

How about F1 in 2009 in general? It makes me feel like crying when I compare this race to the 1989 Suzuka... F1 is so desperately dull these days..

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 04 Oct 2009, 09:08

Grid order messing gets my vote.

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 04 Oct 2009, 09:09

My vote goes to the Actual Race. It was so bad I went back to sleep halfway through and when I saw the results afterwards all I'd missed was the accident at 130R. If they can't overtake at Suzuka and Spa they can't overtaake anywhere.

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 04 Oct 2009, 10:22

Either

Ross Brawn - for a crap qualifying strategy, which blew away the race, and maybe the championship.

Buemi - Crashes, penalties, retirements, and shook up the whole grid.

Toro Rosso - As Buemi, plus Alg???ries crash

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 04 Oct 2009, 10:49

Mother Nature - this race could have done with some rain.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:05

The Race: 1 AM in the morning and the race is absolutely terrible?

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:07

Ross Prawn wrote:Ross Brawn - for a crap qualifying strategy, which blew away the race, and maybe the championship.

Nope. Brawn need just one point to seal the constructors' championship.

As for the drivers', both Vettel and Barrichello need a top-three finish in Brazil if Button scores points; otherwise, the deciders goes to Abu Dhabi and Button will only need a handful of points - like sixth, seventh or eighth - to be able to seal it.

Jordan192 · Post by **Jordan192** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:12

Captain Hammer wrote:
Ross Prawn wrote:Ross Brawn - for a crap qualifying strategy, which blew away the race, and maybe the championship.

Nope. Brawn need just one point to seal the constructors' championship.

Not just that, but even if Brawn were to totally strike out from here on in, Red Bull need to 1-2 (simply winning wouldn't be enough) both remaining races. and that just isn't going to happen.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:25

STR - for obvious reasons.

The Overtaking Group - for obvious reasons. Yeah, that really worked, fellahs.

Japan 2009 - even the other fast races had overtaking on the first couple of laps. And when this one got exciting at the very end, there was still little or no actual overtaking.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 04 Oct 2009, 12:00

Not many rejectfulness going on, I though.

Kovalainen was unnecessarily aggressive defending after Sutil passed him, and ruined Adrian's points scoring chances. Surely, Vijjay Mallya will shoot any Finnish on sight by now. However, Heikki made a great move on Fisichella leaving the pit lane, making Giancarlo look like a rookie.

STR gets a nomination, for unfulfilled potential. They were clearly quick, but erratic.

Maybe Renault should be ROTR. Completely dropped into oblivion, especially after the penalties.

Many Blue Flags · Post by **Many Blue Flags** » 04 Oct 2009, 12:07

I'm going to suggest the Race as well unfortunately.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 04 Oct 2009, 12:18

Toro Rosso. Had some speed for once, did they make good use of it? 2 crashes for Alguesuari, accident, idiotic driving from, fair penalty and mechancial faliure for Buemi. Only 2 DNFs in the field. If it weren't for Vettel's performance I'd say entire Red Bull family, given Webber's race. Maybe the entire Red Bull family except Vettel?

Jack O Malley · Post by **Jack O Malley** » 04 Oct 2009, 12:33

Toro Rosso drivers, destroyed 4 fast cars!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 04 Oct 2009, 12:39

Jamie Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi for wasting fast cars. I didn't nominate Toro Rosso because the car was good, they didn't do anything wrong (except maybe hiring Seb and Jamie in the first place).
Romain Grrrrrrrrjjjjjjjjnnnnnn for quite simply being very slow. Though, I personally give him a +1 for that, it gave Vettel a buffer at the restart.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 04 Oct 2009, 14:21

As my forespeakers all have said it, it must be plain obvious: the repair bill of Toro Rosso for ROTR Suzuka 2009.
Franz Tost probably wishes now he had pay drivers in the cars whose sponsors would have to cover the costs.

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 04 Oct 2009, 14:23

Ben Gilbert wrote:Heikki Kovalainen's Defence

An entirely pointless, half-arsed, clumsy and slow moving block on Adrian Sutil results in an entirely pointless, half-arsed, clumsy and slow-moving accident, that denied Force India the chance of some points at Suzuka. There was no real reason for him to defend: Sutil had the line and Kovalainen had to go off-track in order to remain alongside, plus Sutil was going to pit the next lap anyway, he would easily be taken at his stop. Even the resulting spin seemed rejectful. However, tha banzai move on Fisi out of the pits saves Heikki from being entirely nominated, so I'm just going for his defensive work.

Sutil to declare war over Finland?

Stewart · Post by **Stewart** » 04 Oct 2009, 14:29

Rejects of the race are clearly The Stewards for letting Nico Rosberg get away with breaking the safety car delta and gaining positions.

I really don't understand sometimes; they penalised 4 drivers in qualifying for not slowing down through the yellow flag zone, but allow Rosberg to exceed the safety car delta because his 'Low Fuel' warning obscured the safety car delta on his steering wheel.

First of all, Rosberg broke the rule and should be punished. It's ludicrous that they've let him get away with it. Second, Williams should be severely reprimanded for allowing a warning message to override the safety information on the steering wheel.

If I were Ross Brawn I'd be considering an appeal, but I suppose he's trying to avoid yet another trip to Paris for the F1 journos this year. Plus, he'll win the WCC in Brazil anyway.

razta · Post by **razta** » 04 Oct 2009, 15:35

Renaults.. where the heck were they? Fuji?

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 04 Oct 2009, 15:42

Stewart wrote:Rejects of the race are clearly The Stewards for letting Nico Rosberg get away with breaking the safety car delta and gaining positions.

I really don't understand sometimes; they penalised 4 drivers in qualifying for not slowing down through the yellow flag zone, but allow Rosberg to exceed the safety car delta because his 'Low Fuel' warning obscured the safety car delta on his steering wheel.

First of all, Rosberg broke the rule and should be punished. It's ludicrous that they've let him get away with it. Second, Williams should be severely reprimanded for allowing a warning message to override the safety information on the steering wheel.

If I were Ross Brawn I'd be considering an appeal, but I suppose he's trying to avoid yet another trip to Paris for the F1 journos this year. Plus, he'll win the WCC in Brazil anyway.

They let him off because it was the fault of the ECU (standard for all cars), and that Williams did nothing wrong. He broke the rules but as it wasn't his or the team's fault its debateable whether he should have been penalised.

watka · Post by **watka** » 04 Oct 2009, 15:43

I think that's got to be the STR drivers for ROTR for wasting good cars (4 crashes in a weekend) and causing the grid debacle. Other than that, there are no other candidates except the race itself (Grosjean is spared because he actually finished the race, Kovy is spared because of his move on Fisi).

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 04 Oct 2009, 18:25

razta wrote:Renaults.. where the heck were they? Fuji?

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 04 Oct 2009, 18:26

kostas22 wrote:Romain Grrrrrrrrjjjjjjjjnnnnnn for quite simply being very slow. Though, I personally give him a +1 for that, it gave Vettel a buffer at the restart.

He's Alonso's team-mate, he's SUPPOSED to be slow... :lol:

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 04 Oct 2009, 18:51

lostpin wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Romain Grrrrrrrrjjjjjjjjnnnnnn for quite simply being very slow. Though, I personally give him a +1 for that, it gave Vettel a buffer at the restart.

He's Alonso's team-mate, he's SUPPOSED to be slow...

Try telling that to Massa......

LukeB · Post by **LukeB** » 04 Oct 2009, 18:57

The race was such a non-event that I'd go back to the qualifiying and hand it out to jackasses that don't know what a yellow flag means. I don't give a damn if you need to get your fast lap time in, that's no goddamn excuse for potentially putting the lives of any marshalls that may be on the track in danger.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 04 Oct 2009, 19:16

LukeB wrote:The race was such a non-event that I'd go back to the qualifiying and hand it out to jackasses that don't know what a yellow flag means. I don't give a damn if you need to get your fast lap time in, that's no goddamn excuse for potentially putting the lives of any marshalls that may be on the track in danger.

My point exactly.

Nin13 · Post by **Nin13** » 04 Oct 2009, 20:16

Jack O Malley wrote:Toro Rosso drivers, destroyed 4 fast cars!

kostas22 wrote:Jamie Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi for wasting fast cars. I didn't nominate Toro Rosso because the car was good, they didn't do anything wrong (except maybe hiring Seb and Jamie in the first place).

Agree with both of u.....
both of them drove like maniacs.... car was fast but kept crashing in quali and then in race......
in some way REJRCT should also go to STR bcoz they fired Bourdais & hired sh*t in form of Algae!! I'm sure Bourdais would have done better.......... 8-)

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Oct 2009, 21:33

Nin13 wrote:in some way REJRCT should also go to STR bcoz they fired Bourdais & hired sh*t in form of Algae!

I wouldn't say Alguersuari's shite, he's at least in the same time zone as Buemi, and I reckon he's about on Bourdais' pace prior to him being dumped, which, considering the disappointment in mid-season replacements thanks to the testing ban, isn't too bad. At least he isn't embarrassing himself like Fisi and GRRJJJNNN are, though it doesn't excuse his accidents in Suzuka.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 04 Oct 2009, 21:52

WeirdKerr wrote:
lostpin wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Romain Grrrrrrrrjjjjjjjjnnnnnn for quite simply being very slow. Though, I personally give him a +1 for that, it gave Vettel a buffer at the restart.

He's Alonso's team-mate, he's SUPPOSED to be slow...

Try telling that to Massa......

Ooooo, yes, I can already smell the blood and tears that will embark Ferrari in 2010... :lol:

RAK · Post by **RAK** » 04 Oct 2009, 22:43

I think that the obvious choice is Scuderia Toro Rosso, the only team to have DNFs throughout the race, and the team with far too many accidents during qualifying. I think it proves why bringing junior drivers in to this level without enough experience isn't necessarily a good idea. Alguersuari's crash did liven up what was a frustratingly dull race, though - right as it was about to end.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 04 Oct 2009, 22:57

Me for actually cheering for Toyota for once and hoping Trulli would take the win from Vettel and wind up winning. The sentimental favorite... TOYOTA?! WHAT?!

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 04 Oct 2009, 23:02

The museli I had for breakfast. It wasn't very nice. What, there was a Grand Prix?

Ulfuls · Post by **Ulfuls** » 04 Oct 2009, 23:03

RAK wrote:I think that the obvious choice is Scuderia Toro Rosso, the only team to have DNFs throughout the race, and the team with far too many accidents during qualifying. I think it proves why bringing junior drivers in to this level without enough experience isn't necessarily a good idea. Alguersuari's crash did liven up what was a frustratingly dull race, though - right as it was about to end.

It was quite a crash, wasn't it? I particularly enjoyed the way he managed to nail the ING billboard whilst going sideways and shatter it perfectly. It couldn't have been done better with a grizzled stunt driver given ten takes and little explosives inside the styrofoam. Astonishing. Infinite Improbability... Slide.... of the race for that.