BIG 4

[andreamodawf1]

The term "Big 4" used to be used lots when referring to Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and Benetton/Renault.

I will do all the seasons up to now by getting rid of these 4 (5 including Renault) and getting rid of other teams that use the same engines as these teams. For the points system, I will use the Medal System- 3 points for 1st, 2 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd. And for 1950-1957 , when they didn't have the constructors cup, I will have a constructors cup for them as well.

1950: only Ferrari to get rid of

British GP: no Ferraris in this race

Qualifying:

1. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
2. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
3. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo

Race:

1. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
2. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
3. Reg Parnell-Alfa Romeo

Constructors Standings:

1. Alfa Romeo:6

Monaco GP:

qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati

Race:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Louis Chiron-Maserati
3. B Bira-Maserati

Standings:

Drivers:

1. Giuseppe Farina:3
=Juan-Manuel Fangio
3. Luigi Fagioli:2
=Louis Chiron
5. Reg Parnell:1
=B Bira

Constructors:

1. Alfa Romeo:9
2. Maserati:3

Swiss GP:

Qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo

Race:

1. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
2. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
3. Louis Rosier-Talbot

Current Standings:

1. Giuseppe Farina:6
2. Luigi Fagioli:4
3. Juan-Manuel Fangio:3
4. Louis Chiron:2
5. Reg Parnell:1
= B Bira
Louis Rosier

1. Alfa Romeo: 14
2. Maserati: 3
3. Talbot:1

1950 Belgian GP:

qualifying:

1. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
3. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo

race:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
3. Louis Rosier-Talbot

standings:

1. Giuseppe Farina:6
=Juan-Manuel Fangio
Luigi Fagioli
4. Louis Chiron:2
= Louis Rosier
6. Reg Parnell:1
=B Bira

1. Alfa Romeo:19
2. Maserati:3
3. Talbot:2

French GP:

Qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo

Race:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
3. Robert Manzon-Gordini

standings:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio:9
2. Luigi Fagioli:8
3. Giuseppe Farina:6
4. Louis Chiron:2
=Louis Rosier
6. Reg Parnell:1
=B Bira
Robert Manzon

1. Alfa Romeo:24
2. Maserati:3
3. Talbot:2
4. Gordini:1

For the final race, it is between Fangio, Fagioli and Farina. Alfa Romeo has won the constructors championship. Farina needs to win, and hope that Fangio gets no points and Fagioli doesn't come second. He will also need to get pole, so he can be equal on race wins and poles for Fangio, and Farina has the most 2nd places in qualifying.

1950 Italian GP:
qualifying:
1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Consalvo Sanesi-Alfa Romeo


race:

1. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
2. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
3. Louis Rosier-Talbot

overall standings:

1. Luigi Fagioli:10
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio:9
=Giuseppe Farina:9
4. Louis Rosier:3
5. Louis Chiron:2
6. Reg Parnell:1
=B Bira
Robert Manzon

1. Alfa Romeo: 29
2. Maserati:3
=Talbot
4. Gordini:1

Next, I'll do 1951!

[TomWazzleshaw]

I have all but 1 question: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?

[CarlosFerreira]

I have all but 1 question: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?

The thought does cross one's mind, but I really appreciate what you're up to there. Keep up; Fagioli has just beat Farina and Fangio (what was it with the Fs in the Fifties?!), and became the first F1WDC!

[shinji]

What I would suggest would be to start this when either McLaren or Williams started as we know them, for about 15 seasons all you'll be doing will be removing Ferrari.

[Warren Hughes]

Well the medals system hasn't worked then - Fagioli's won the title without winning a race!

[DemocalypseNow]

Medals system without points would probably have crowned Fangio champion.
Why?
They both have 3 victories and no other podiums apart from those wins.
But Fangio has 4 pole positions to Farina's 2.
Seems like a fair tiebreaker to me.

[andreamodawf1]

Yes I do have better things to do, but when I don't I can do this okay Wuzzie

[thehemogoblin]

Yes I do have better things to do, but when I don't I can do this okay Wuzzie

If he doesn't shave for a few days, does he become Fuzzy Wuzzie?

[andreamodawf1]

1951

Swiss GP

qualifying

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Consalvo Sanesi-Alfa Romeo

race

1. Fangio
2. Farina
3. Sanesi

standings

1. Alfa Romeo: 6

Belgian GP

qualifying

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Consalvo Sanesi-Alfa Romeo

race

1. Farina
2. Louis Rosier-Talbot
3. Yves-Giraud Cabantous-Talbot

standings

1. Giuseppe Farina: 5
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 3
3. Louis Rosier: 2
4. Consalvo sanesi: 1
=Yves-Giraud Cabantous

1. Alfa Romeo: 9
2. Talbot:3

French GP

qualifying

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Consalvo Samesi-Alfa Romeo

race

1. Luigi Fagioli-Alfa Romeo
2. Farina
3. Louis Chiron-Talbot

standings:

1. Giuseppe Farina:7
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio:3
=Luigi Fagioli
4. Louis Rosier: 2
5. Consalvo Sanesi: 1
=Yves-Giraud Cabantous
Louis Chiron

1. Alfa Romeo: 14
2. Talbot: 4

British GP

qualifying

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Consalvo Sanesi-Alfa Romeo

race

1. Fangio
2. Felice Bonetto-Alfa Romeo
3. Reg Parnell-BRM

standings

1. Giuseppe Farina:7
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 6
3. Luigi Fagioli: 3
4. Louis Rosier: 2
=Felice Bonetto
6. Consalvo sanesi: 1
=Yves Giraud Cabantous
Louis Chiron
Reg Parnell

1. Alfa Romeo: 19
2. Talbot: 4
3. BRM: 1

German GP

qualifying

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Paul Pietch-Alfa Romeo

race

1. Fangio
2. Robert Manzon-Gordini
3. Louis Rosier-Talbot

standings

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 9
2. Giuseppe Farina: 7
3. Luigi Fagioli:3
= Louis Rosier
=Felice Bonetto
Robert Manzon
7. Consalvo Sanesi:1
=Yves-Giraud Cabantous
Louis Chiron
Reg Parnell

1. Alfa Romeo: 22
2. Talbot: 5
3. BRM:1
=Gordini

Italian GP

qualifying

1. Juan-manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Felice Bonetto-Ala Romeo

race

1. Bonetto
2. Andre Simon-Gordini
3. Louis Rosier-Talbot

standings

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 9
2. Giuseppe Farina: 7
3. Felice Bonetto: 6
4. Louis Rosier: 4
5. Luigi Fagioli: 3
=Robert Manzon
7. Andre Simon: 2
8. Consalvo Sanesi: 1
= Yves-Giraud Cabantous
Louis Chiron
Reg Parnell

1. Alfa Romeo: 25
2. Talbot: 6
3. Gordini: 3
4. BRM: 1

With one race to go, Bonetto, Farina and Fangio can still win the championship. Bonetto needs to win and have neither farina or Fangio in 2nd or 3rd. Farina needs to win and have Fangio not 2nd or 3rd. If Farina wins, it doesn't metter what Bonetto gets.

Alfa Romeo has won the championship.

Spanish GP

qualifying

1. Juan-manuel Fangio-Alfa Romeo
2. Giuseppe Farina-Alfa Romeo
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried-alfa Romeo

race

1. Fangio
2. Farina
3. Felice Bonetto-Alfa Romeo

overall standings:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 12
2. Giuseppe Farina: 9
3. Felice bonetto: 7
4. Louis Rosier: 4
5. Luigi Fagioli: 3
=Robert Manzon
7. Andre Simon: 2
8. Consalvo Sanesi: 1
= Yves-Giraud Cabantous
Louis Chiron
Reg Parnell


1. Alfa Romeo: 31
2. Talbot: 6
3. Gordini: 3
4. BRM: 1

[andreamodawf1]

1952 Formula One Season

Only Ferrari to get rid of

1952 Swiss Grand Prix

Qualifying:

1. Robert Manzon-Gordini
2. Peter Collins-HWM
3. Jean Behra-Gordini
Race:
1. Jean Behra-Gordini
2. Ken Wharton-Frazer Nash
3. Alan Brown-Cooper

constructors standings:

1. Gordini: 3
2. Frazer Nash: 2
3. Cooper: 1

1952 Belgian Grand Prix:

qualifying:

1. Robert Manzon-Gordini
2. Jean Behra-Gordini
3. Mike Hawthorn-Cooper

Race:

1. Manzon
2. Hawthorn
3. Paul Frere-HWM

standings:

1. Jean Behra: 3
= Robert Manzon
3. Ken Wharton: 2
=Mike Hawthorn
5. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere

1. Gordini: 6
2. Cooper: 3
3. Frazer Nash: 2
4. HWM: 1

1952 French GP:

qualifying:

1. Jean Behra-Gordini
2. Robert Manzon-Gordini
3. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini

Race:

1. Manzon
2. Trintignant
3. Peter Collins-HWM

standings:

1. Robert Manzon: 6
2. Jean Behra: 3
3. Ken Wharton: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
Mike Hawthron
6. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere
Peter Collins

1. Gordini: 11
2. Cooper: 3
3. Frazer Nash: 2
= HWM

1952 British GP:

qualifying:

1. Robert Manzon-Gordini
2. Ken Downing-Connaught
3. Reg Parnell-Cooper

race:

1. Mike Hawthron-Cooper
2. Dennis Pore-Connaught
3. Eric Thompson-Connaught

standings:

1. Robert Manzon: 6
2. Mike Hawthron: 5
3. Jean Behra: 3
4. Ken Wharton: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
Dennis Poore
6. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere
Peter Collins
Eric Thompson

1. Gordini: 11
2. Cooper: 6
3. Connaught: 3
4. Frazer Nash: 2
= HWM

1952 German Grand Prix:

qualifying:

1. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini
2. Robert Manzon-Gordini
3. Paul Pietsch-Veritas

Race:

1. Jean Behra-Gordini
2. Fritz Reiss-Veritas
3. Toni Ulmen-Veritas

standings:

1. Robert Manzon: 6
=Jean Behra
3. Mike Hawthron: 5
4. Ken Wharton: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
Dennis Poore
Fritz Reiss
8. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere
Peter Collins
Eric Thompson
Toni Ulmen

1. Gordini: 14
2. Cooper: 6
3. Connaught: 3
=Veritas
4. Frazer Nash: 2
= HWM

1952 Dutch Grand Prix: Manzon or Behra could win here, if either of them win the race, and the other one failes to score, and if Hawthorn comes 3rd or worse.

qualifying:

1. Mike Hawthorn-Cooper
2. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini
3. Robert Manzon-Gordini

Race:

1. Mike Hawthorn-Cooper
2. Robert Manzon-Gordini
3. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini


standings:

1. Robert Manzon: 8
=Mike Hawthorn
3. Jean Behra: 6
4. Maurice Trintignant: 3
5. Ken Wharton: 2
=Dennis Poore
Fritz Reiss
8. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere
Peter Collins
Eric Thompson
Toni Ulmen

1. Gordini: 17
2. Cooper: 9
3. Connaught: 3
=Veritas
4. Frazer Nash: 2
= HWM

1952 Italian Grand Prix: Jean Behra needs to win and have Hawthorn and Manzon come 3rd or worse, Manzon and Hawthorn need to come 3rd with the the other one and Behra not scoring, or 2nd and the other one not winning, or win.

qualifying:

1. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati
3. Robert Manzon-Gordini

Race:

1. Gonzalez
2. Felice Bonetto-Maserati
3. Chico Landi-Maserati
8. Manzon (wins the title after finishing higher in the race than Hawthorn did)
Ret. Mike Hawthorn-Cooper

Overall Standings:

1. Robert Manzon: 8
2. Mike Hawthorn: 8
3. Jean Behra: 6
4. Maurice Trintignant: 3
=Jose-Froilan Gonzalez
5. Ken Wharton: 2
=Dennis Poore
Felice Bonetto
Fritz Reiss
9. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere
Peter Collins
Eric Thompson
Toni Ulmen

1. Gordini: 17
2. Cooper: 9
3. Maserati: 6
4. Connaught: 3
=Veritas
5. Frazer Nash: 2
= HWM

[Warren Hughes]

I've never heard of Robert Manzon.

[tristan1117]

I've never heard of Robert Manzon.

I've never heard of most of these drivers or teams.

[shinji]

Gordini - Fangio drove for them in the late '40s as far as I know, before the Championship

Connaught - British team I think, Irish province

Veritas - Roman god of truthfulness

Frazer Nash - BEST NAME EVER

HWM - Abbreviation of an abbreviation for...

HWNSNBM

1. Robert Manzon: 8
5. Ken Wharton: 2
=Dennis Poore
Felice Bonetto
Fritz Reiss
9. Alan Brown: 1
=Paul Frere
Peter Collins
Eric Thompson
Toni Ulmen

Who are these people?

[Bleu]

For me Manzon is mostly familiar because he is one of I think there was four drivers of 1950 who are still alive.

[Salamander]

Peter Collins handed his car to Fangio at Monaco in 1956, helping Fangio to his 4th title, at which point he was driving for Ferrari. He won 3 races, and died in a crash at the Nurburgring in 1958.

[shinji]

Peter Collins handed his car to Fangio at Monaco in 1956, helping Fangio to his 4th title, at which point he was driving for Ferrari. He won 3 races, and died in a crash at the Nurburgring in 1958.

Yeah, I didn't notice him there. His death caused Hawthorn to become disillusioned despite his Championship.

All the others though,

[Valrys]

Gordini - Fangio drove for them in the late '40s as far as I know, before the Championship They also competed in the first half of the 50s, Jean Behra drove for them, and apart from a few good results, they're mostly remembered (to me at least) for Behra driving the car from their factory in Paris to Switzerland on public roads as the car was finished too late to be trucked to the circuit. Amazingly he got away with it

Connaught - British team I think, Irish province Yes, they were british, perenially underfunded and reletively off the pace, got a best result of 4th and 5th at Monza 1956 (but were 3 laps down), and got another 4th in mid 1957 before closing up shop and vanishing. Name has been revived for a limited production sports car by Connaught Engineering

Veritas - Roman god of truthfulness German, classify as rejects by this sites standards, and the name is currently being resurected for some small sports car manufacturer somewhere

Frazer Nash - BEST NAME EVER Agreed!

[/F1 nerd mode]

[Salamander]

Given that Nash used to be an American car company IIRC, I reckon they only did the Indy 500. But yes, Frazer Nash is clearly one of the greatest names ever. Of all time.

[Valrys]

Given that Nash used to be an American car company IIRC, I reckon they only did the Indy 500. But yes, Frazer Nash is clearly one of the greatest names ever. Of all time.

You'd be wrong, sorry, they were British, named after a Mr Frazer-Nash in 1922, they only competed in the 1952 season, and scored a 4th place at the Swiss GP at the hands of Ken Wharton. DNF'd two other starts, and a 21st place and that was it

[Waris]

Am I the only one (other than andreamodawf1) who has actually heard of all these drivers, because I browse F1 results from the 1950's and check out their Wikipedia articles in my spare time?

Gee, I feel like such an F1 history geek now...

[thehemogoblin]

Am I the only one (other than andreamodawf1) who has actually heard of all these drivers, because I browse F1 results from the 1950's and check out their Wikipedia articles in my spare time?

Gee, I feel like such an F1 history geek now...

I've done it before.

[Salamander]

Given that Nash used to be an American car company IIRC, I reckon they only did the Indy 500. But yes, Frazer Nash is clearly one of the greatest names ever. Of all time.

You'd be wrong, sorry, they were British, named after a Mr Frazer-Nash in 1922, they only competed in the 1952 season, and scored a 4th place at the Swiss GP at the hands of Ken Wharton. DNF'd two other starts, and a 21st place and that was it

That makes more sense, I haven't ever heard of anyone racing an American Nash, especially not in F1.

[andreamodawf1]

Some of the drivers in the 1952 season should be mentioned in the Most Forgettable Drivers forum.

1953 season
1953 Argentine GP
qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati
3. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini

race:

1. Gonzalez
2. Oscar Alfredo Galvez-Maserati (I didn't recognize his name at first, but this is the man that the race track in Buenos Aries is named after)
3. Jean Behra-Gordini

standings:

1. Maserati: 5
2. Gordini: 1

1955 Dutch GP
qualifying:
1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried-Maserati

race:

1. Felice Bonetto-Maserati
2. de Graffenried
3. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini

standings:

1. Jose Froilan Gonzalez: 3
=Felice Bonetto
3. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Emmanuel de Graffenried
5. Jean Behra: 1
=Maurice Trintignant

1. Maserati: 10
2. Gordini: 2

1953 Belgian Grand Prix:

qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati
3. Onofre Marimon-Maserati

race:

1. Marimon
2. Emmanuel de Graffenried-Maserati
3. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini

standings:

1. Emmanuel de-Graffenried: 4
2. Jose Froilan Gonzalez: 3
=Felice Bonetto
Onofre Marimon
5. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
7. Jean Behra: 1

1. Maserati: 15
2. Gordini: 3

1953 French GP:

qualifying:
1. Felice Bonetto-Maserati
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
3. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati

race:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried-Maserati

standings:

1. Emmanuel de Graffenried: 5
=Jose Froilan Gonzalez
3. Jose Froilan Gonzalez: 3
=Felice Bonetto
Onofre Marimon
Juan-Manuel Fangio
7. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
9. Jean Behra: 1

1. Maserati: 21
2. Gordini: 3

1953 British GP:

qualifying:

1. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez-Maserati
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
3. Onofre Marimon-Maserati

race:

1. Fangio
2. Gonzalez
3. Felice Bonetto-Maserati

standings:

1. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez: 7
2. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 6
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried: 5
4. Felice Bonetto: 4
5. Onofre Marimon: 3
6. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
7. Jean Behra: 1

1. Maserati: 27
2. Gordini: 3

1953 German GP:
qualifying:
1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Felice Bonetto-Maserati
3. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini

race:

1. Fangio
2. Bonetto
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried-Maserati

standings:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 9
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez: 7
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried: 6
=Felice Bonetto
5. Onofre Marimon: 3
6. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
8. Jean Behra: 1

1. Maserati: 33
2. Gordini: 3

1953 Swiss GP: Fangio wins the title if he wins, comes second if Gonzalez, de Graffenried and Bonetto don't win.

qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini
3. Onofre Marimon-Maserati

race:

1. Fangio-wins the championship
2. Hermann Lang-Maserati
3. Ken Wharton-Cooper

standings:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 12
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez: 7
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried: 6
=Felice Bonetto
5. Onofre Marimon: 3
6. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
Hermann Lang
9. Jean Behra: 1
= Ken wharton

1. Maserati: 38
2. Gordini: 3
3. Cooper: 1

1953 Italian GP

qualifying:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Onofre Marimon-Maserati
3. Felice Bonetto-Maserati

race:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio-Maserati
2. Maurice Trintignant-Gordini
3. Roberto Mieres-Gordini

overall standings:

1. Juan-Manuel Fangio: 15
2. Jose-Froilan Gonzalez: 7
3. Emmanuel de Graffenried: 6
=Felice Bonetto
5. Maurice Trintignant: 4
6. Onofre Marimon: 3
7. Oscar Alfredo Galvez: 2
=Maurice Trintignant
Hermann Lang
10Jean Behra: 1
= Ken wharton
Roberto Mieres

1. Maserati: 41
2. Gordini: 6
3. Cooper: 1

Sorry for the boring Maserati whitewash and Fangio winning with one race still to go.

[Waris]

What kind of a weird points scoring system are you using? I don't recall that ever actually being used.

[andreamodawf1]

I decided to use the planned medal system-3 points for 1st, 2 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd. I mentioned that in the first post. Don;t forget that soon when other teams use the same engine manufacturer as the big 4, they will be dropped unless if that only leaves one team or no teams.

[Yannick]

Regarding the fact that in the 50s, the "Big 4" would probably have been Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Mercedes and Maserati - isn't it a bit pointless subtracting teams like Williams or McLaren from these results when they weren't even around?
I think if you're going to do these kind of calculations, you should view each decade or semi-decade separately and decide upon that who are the "Big 4" of each timespan.

In the 70s, Tyrell and Lotus clearly belonged to the "Big 4". And when it comes to the 80s, Motor Racing Developments should not be overlooked. And who knows, maybe Brawn will continue to be among the "Big 4" in the 2010s?

[andreamodawf1]

Regarding the fact that in the 50s, the "Big 4" would probably have been Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Mercedes and Maserati - isn't it a bit pointless subtracting teams like Williams or McLaren from these results when they weren't even around?
I think if you're going to do these kind of calculations, you should view each decade or semi-decade separately and decide upon that who are the "Big 4" of each timespan.

In the 70s, Tyrell and Lotus clearly belonged to the "Big 4". And when it comes to the 80s, Motor Racing Developments should not be overlooked. And who knows, maybe Brawn will continue to be among the "Big 4" in the 2010s?

If I do that, especially in the 50s, there will be not enough teams. Remember that not only am I removing the big 4, I am also removing the teams with the same engine manufacturer as the big 4. However in 2009, I won't do that because otherwise there will be only one team: BMW. The unofficial rule for this fantasy championship is that there has to be more than one team for there to be a race. There will be a few races in 1956 that I will not include, because if I take away the Ferraris that will only leave Maserati.