How do you solve a problem like Pastor?

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:21

redbulljack14 wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:But let's be honest, she's rather pleasing on the eye. And for those who don't know who she is:

Not arguing with you there!

Ah, she may be a looker, but she knows as much about F1 as Don Pentecost ..

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:37

I think I prefer Lee McKensie... As nice in the flesh (with clothes on!) as on TV, if not more so.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:37

Problem? What problem? The Reverend is Mr. Entertaining! As long as he doesn't come close with Kobayashi for the rest of the season, its fine by me.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:41

dr-baker wrote:I think I prefer Lee McKensie... As nice in the flesh (with clothes on!) as on TV, if not more so.

Ooh, is Baker carrying a torch for Lee McKenzie?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:46

redbulljack14 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:I think I prefer Lee McKensie... As nice in the flesh (with clothes on!) as on TV, if not more so.

Ooh, is Baker carrying a torch for Lee McKenzie?

Personally I'm worried that chin on Georgie might cause serious injury if you got too close! Plus, far too fake for my liking. Get a hose on her, get all that crap off and then I'll make a judgement.

It's Sky's remit though to put dumb girls on sports shows to please the punters isn't it? Like the Sun having Page 3, or the Daily Sport being...actually just no, that doesn't need discussing! :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:51

dr-baker wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Or she can get in my bed. I don't mind...I'd better not go into too much detail because wmetcalf might be scarred for life. Not that he'd understand...

Oh my. My law invoked...

You said it, not me :lol:

AndreaModa wrote:Personally I'm worried that chin on Georgie might cause serious injury if you got too close! Plus, far too fake for my liking. Get a hose on her, get all that crap off and then I'll make a judgement.

Ooh er...

I disagree...Georgie's hot.

Post by **Londoner** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:54

I often wonder if Mr and Mrs Metcalf had a look around the forum, saw some of the stuff that we've been posting recently, and therefore banned Wmetcalf to protect his innocence. Family forum my arse! :lol:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 09 Jul 2012, 20:54

AndreaModa wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:I think I prefer Lee McKensie... As nice in the flesh (with clothes on!) as on TV, if not more so.

Ooh, is Baker carrying a torch for Lee McKenzie?

Personally I'm worried that chin on Georgie might cause serious injury if you got too close! Plus, far too fake for my liking. Get a hose on her, get all that crap off and then I'll make a judgement.

I can put my hose on her if you need me to![/bestofbritish]

Khausen Effect · Post by **Khausen Effect** » 09 Jul 2012, 21:17

Sorry to get back on topic. Maldonado seems to me to develop grudges against certain drivers and feels he needs to use his car against them on the track. He seems unable to share the same area of track with either Hamilton (Spa '11, Valencia '12) or Perez (Monaco and Britain '12) without a collision ensuing. I get the impression he feels the need to barge these two, but not others, off the track.

He then goes to the stewards and every time says the accident wasn't his fault as his car was outside of his control at the time of the collision - and he gets away without being properly punished.

As to what you do about the problem of Pastor, I really don't know. If you can prove this you could issue him with a ban, but I don't see how it could be proved. I hope it can be solved before someone gets hurt.

Maldonado's speed and sponsorship are a great asset to F1, but his attitude and driving standards are
not a credit to F1.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 09 Jul 2012, 21:27

Khausen Effect wrote:Sorry to get back on topic. Maldonado seems to me to develop grudges against certain drivers and feels he needs to use his car against them on the track. He seems unable to share the same area of track with either Hamilton (Spa '11, Valencia '12) or Perez (Monaco and Britain '12) without a collision ensuing. I get the impression he feels the need to barge these two, but not others, off the track.

He then goes to the stewards and every time says the accident wasn't his fault as his car was outside of his control at the time of the collision - and he gets away without being properly punished.

As to what you do about the problem of Pastor, I really don't know. If you can prove this you could issue him with a ban, but I don't see how it could be proved. I hope it can be solved before someone gets hurt.

Maldonado's speed and sponsorship are a great asset to F1, but his attitude and driving standards are
not a credit to F1.

I welcome WWE style rivalries (without being made by the FIA or FOM) into F1. It's the 21st century mate. Cars are weapons!

Post by **Londoner** » 19 Jul 2012, 17:24

Someone's changed their tune :lol:

Although it hasn't changed the tune of young Sergio

tzerof1 · Post by **tzerof1** » 05 Aug 2012, 17:51

Sorry for the bump, but here's a somewhat relevant satirical cartoon you all might have a laugh at...

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Aug 2012, 08:40

I find it rejectful that Pastor could have double the points he has now if he could keep his car on the road. He must surely be going for ROTY on purpose now. :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 06 Aug 2012, 08:46

eurobrun wrote:I find it rejectful that Pastor could have double the points he has now if he could keep his car on the road. He must surely be going for ROTY on purpose now.

It's a straight fight between Pastor, Massa and McLaren for that award. Seriously, McLaren should be cakewalking this championship right now but they lost their way development-wise after round 3 and have been playing catch-up ever since.

Post by **mario** » 06 Aug 2012, 10:14

Wizzie wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I find it rejectful that Pastor could have double the points he has now if he could keep his car on the road. He must surely be going for ROTY on purpose now.

It's a straight fight between Pastor, Massa and McLaren for that award. Seriously, McLaren should be cakewalking this championship right now but they lost their way development-wise after round 3 and have been playing catch-up ever since.

I don't know whether this should really have been a cake walk for McLaren this year - they might have started out with a fairly competitive car, but the performance advantage they had in qualifying was somewhat misleading when compared to their race pace given their slightly weaker tyre management (something which was being highlighted back in winter testing, where it appeared that Red Bull did have the edge on them in that area). That is not to say that McLaren haven't wasted opportunities - they have wasted a great number of them in the earlier part of the year, especially in the pits - but it isn't as if the car has been entirely dominant either (not to the extent that the RB7 was last year, where Red Bull could make several strategic errors and still win because of their performance advantage).

Back to the topic of Maldonado, though - this summer break is probably just what he needs, because Williams do need time to work on Maldonado's approach to racing. Now, although I would agree with some commentators that he was perhaps a little unlucky to be penalised in Hungary, now Maldonado has established a reputation as an accident prone and overly aggressive driver, the stewards are probably less inclined to give him some slack when dealing with on track incidents. It is something that has been part of his nature in the junior series - where he has been involved in some controversial incidents - so it is something of an ingrained habit, but somehow Williams need to give Maldonado a sense of the bigger picture and discourage him from taking so many risks on track.
I guess that the comments he made after the Spanish GP - where he announced that he believed that he could challenge for the WDC - are indicative of his mindset, which seems to be very much "all, or nothing at all". The problem is, "all, or nothing at all" is, right now, leading to "nothing at all" a few too many times - even Moss, who was the first to coin that phrase, knew that there were times when it paid to drive a tactical race and simply rack up points when you were not in contention for a win.

Post by **Ataxia** » 06 Aug 2012, 10:51

mario wrote:Back to the topic of Maldonado, though - this summer break is probably just what he needs, because Williams do need time to work on Maldonado's approach to racing. Now, although I would agree with some commentators that he was perhaps a little unlucky to be penalised in Hungary, now Maldonado has established a reputation as an accident prone and overly aggressive driver, the stewards are probably less inclined to give him some slack when dealing with on track incidents. It is something that has been part of his nature in the junior series - where he has been involved in some controversial incidents - so it is something of an ingrained habit, but somehow Williams need to give Maldonado a sense of the bigger picture and discourage him from taking so many risks on track.
I guess that the comments he made after the Spanish GP - where he announced that he believed that he could challenge for the WDC - are indicative of his mindset, which seems to be very much "all, or nothing at all". The problem is, "all, or nothing at all" is, right now, leading to "nothing at all" a few too many times - even Moss, who was the first to coin that phrase, knew that there were times when it paid to drive a tactical race and simply rack up points when you were not in contention for a win.

He needs to sit down with Alex Wurz and perhaps get himself thinking tactically rather than aggressively. He should have at least another podium by now, but he's just thrown points away. Yes, Pastor, points DO make prizes.

Wurz needs to help Pastor out at this moment in time; take him to a kart track and switch on the training montage music.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 06 Aug 2012, 18:29

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Wurz needs to help Pastor out at this moment in time; take him to a kart track and switch on the training montage music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU9Uwhjlog8

Post by **Ataxia** » 06 Aug 2012, 18:38

AndreaModa wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Wurz needs to help Pastor out at this moment in time; take him to a kart track and switch on the training montage music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU9Uwhjlog8

I LOVE that film.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Aug 2012, 10:23

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Wurz needs to help Pastor out at this moment in time; take him to a kart track and switch on the training montage music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU9Uwhjlog8

I LOVE that film.

Man, I haven't seen it in ages. I swear they must have done it just to kill all those actors in the end :lol:

Alianora La Canta · Post by **Alianora La Canta** » 07 Aug 2012, 18:15

Pastor needs to learn to respect the track. He frequently fails to do so, which leads to mistakes in itself, but it also means he struggles to understand why his opponents do what they do. When that happens, Pastor gets confused. Then he gets angry. Then he instinctively attempts to remove the source of anger - without ever understanding why he got confused or angry in the first place.

This cycle needs breaking. BaconLettuceNinja's training montage music was never so badly needed.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 08 Aug 2012, 13:00

The Reverend is unlikely to take away this website's annual award if he continues like this and the consequences of those brainfades remain small, just because he has won a race this year.

Massa, on the other hand, would need at least one or two podium finishes to come back from being a contender. Amongst the drivers, he surely is in the lead for the award, isn't he?

I would not call McLaren's campaign for ROTY as impressive as some of you do, but rather Toro Rosso's. The Italian team deliberately hired 2 rookies when they desperately could have used some experience this year to help developing the car. But no, they went for the dogmatic driver choice and now, RBR have again not got a possible replacement lined up for Mark Webber. The question remains to be seen how much of that kind of performance by Toro Rosso and Red Bull's F1 proconsul Helmut Marko will fit to the pre-season expectations of F1Rejects.

Bernie Ecclestone is still going strong in his campaign due to the Gribkowski affair but he might be just a distant 3rd behind Massa and Toro Rosso.

And let's not forget the "new teams" from a few season's back who still have not caught up with the back of the pack.

We'll see how ROTY turns out.

Post by **mario** » 08 Aug 2012, 13:13

Yannick wrote:The Reverend is unlikely to take away this website's annual award if he continues like this and the consequences of those brainfades remain small, just because he has won a race this year.

Massa, on the other hand, would need at least one or two podium finishes to come back from being a contender. Amongst the drivers, he surely is in the lead for the award, isn't he?

I would not call McLaren's campaign for ROTY as impressive as some of you do, but rather Toro Rosso's. The Italian team deliberately hired 2 rookies when they desperately could have used some experience this year to help developing the car. But no, they went for the dogmatic driver choice and now, RBR have again not got a possible replacement lined up for Mark Webber. The question remains to be seen how much of that kind of performance by Toro Rosso and Red Bull's F1 proconsul Helmut Marko will fit to the pre-season expectations of F1Rejects.

Bernie Ecclestone is still going strong in his campaign due to the Gribkowski affair but he might be just a distant 3rd behind Massa and Toro Rosso.

And let's not forget the "new teams" from a few season's back who still have not caught up with the back of the pack.

We'll see how ROTY turns out.

Winning a race may not in itself be enough, especially considering that his form since then has been all over the place - if anything, it could be more of an incentive to give him a ROTY award given that he clearly has a decent car to drive but is failing to make the best of it (he has wasted far more points from his crashes than Williams have gained for his victory). Equally, there is a precedent for a driver to be a ROTY candidate even if they have done well in races - Juan Pablo Montoya was 3rd in 2006 despite taking two podiums that year - though at the moment Toro Rosso and Felipe Massa seem to be more likely candidates.

Post by **mario** » 12 Aug 2012, 21:18

Perhaps this sums up Maldonado's season most appropriately - Williams's demonstration runs in Venezuela have had to be cut short because Maldonado has managed to spin and crash the car into a barrier during the second lap of the venue.

Maldonado, visiting his home country for the first time since becoming Venezuela's first grand prix winner, was due to complete a 12-lap run on the Fuerte Tiunas military parade ground in front of 20,000 fans and numerous political and military VIPs, with team owner Sir Frank Williams and shareholder Toto Wolff also present.
But Maldonado was caught out by the extremely bumpy surface of the show ground and spun his Williams FW33, damaging its suspension on the roadside kerbing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/101785

Although he is by no means the only person to have crashed a car during a demonstration, crashing right in front of your primary sponsors is probably the worst time to do so...

Post by **Londoner** » 12 Aug 2012, 21:33

mario wrote:Perhaps this sums up Maldonado's season most appropriately - Williams's demonstration runs in Venezuela have had to be cut short because Maldonado has managed to spin and crash the car into a barrier during the second lap of the venue.
Maldonado, visiting his home country for the first time since becoming Venezuela's first grand prix winner, was due to complete a 12-lap run on the Fuerte Tiunas military parade ground in front of 20,000 fans and numerous political and military VIPs, with team owner Sir Frank Williams and shareholder Toto Wolff also present.
But Maldonado was caught out by the extremely bumpy surface of the show ground and spun his Williams FW33, damaging its suspension on the roadside kerbing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/101785

Although he is by no means the only person to have crashed a car during a demonstration, crashing right in front of your primary sponsors is probably the worst time to do so...

Oh Pastor. We wouldn't want him any other way, would we.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 12 Aug 2012, 22:32

That is the most rejectful thing I have heard in a while. :lol:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 Aug 2012, 22:58

A planned 'hero's homecoming' Formula 1 street demo for Williams driver Pastor Maldonado in the Venezuelan capital Caracas was cut short on Sunday when he spun and damaged the car on only his second lap.

Lap 2. Lap bathplugging 2.

For bathplug's sake man, you're an F1 driver, not some Joe Bloggs off the street. How on earth did this guy ever win a race?

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 13 Aug 2012, 06:38

From now on, Pastor Maldonado shall be known as Pastor Maldona-d'oh!

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 13 Aug 2012, 06:44

Captain Hammer wrote:From now on, Pastor Maldonado shall be known as Pastor Maldona-d'oh!

I second this notion.

inchworm · Post by **inchworm** » 13 Aug 2012, 09:19

Could this be the most rejectful driver to ever win a race?

Boomstick · Post by **Boomstick** » 13 Aug 2012, 09:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsbatI8Q ... r_embedded

Good lord, Andre De.... I mean Pastor....De, uh Cesaris....no thats not it.....erm, Maldonado! :lol:

I still say the corner turned in on him, the stewards are out to get poor Pastor!

As a Williams and Alfa Romeo fan this is great! ....but really poor guy :oops:

...hes so rejectful, he's a reject from the rejects because of his un-rejectfication....awesome!

Also relevent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIglIxLn ... r_embedded

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 13 Aug 2012, 11:44

Boomstick wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsbatI8QKOg&feature=player_embedded

Good lord, Andre De.... I mean Pastor....De, uh Cesaris....no thats not it.....erm, Maldonado! I still say the corner turned in on him, the stewards are out to get poor Pastor!

As a Williams and Alfa Romeo fan this is great! ....but really poor guy

...hes so rejectful, he's a reject from the rejects because of his un-rejectfication....awesome!

We wouldn't have him any other way, would we? We need someone for comedic relief, after all. :lol:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 13 Aug 2012, 13:53

Here's a video of the crash. Just

...

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 13 Aug 2012, 13:57

You've got to love the guy who talks towards the end of the video :lol:

"[He's] always like that... What a clumsy [guy], how strange, how strange he didn't crash [much earlier]!"

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 13 Aug 2012, 14:30

Pastor Maldonado - The only pay driver in history to win a grand prix?

Post by **mario** » 13 Aug 2012, 15:09

pasta_maldonado wrote:Pastor Maldonado - The only pay driver in history to win a grand prix?

Depends how you cut it - there have been drivers who entered the sport as pay drivers who went on to success. Lauda, for example, is one very notable pay driver - he had to rely on personal savings and loans to buy his way into the March and BRM teams at the beginning of his career.
It might also be possible to add Jo Siffert to the list - his seat at March was paid for by Porsche, and I believe that he might have also had his seat at BRM paid for by Porsche (and whilst he was at BRM, he won the 1971 Austrian GP). I'm sure that, were you to take a closer look, there probably have been a fair number of pay drivers who rose through the ranks to find success at a later date - particularly during the 1970's, when sponsorship first became important and budgets grew quite rapidly.

inchworm · Post by **inchworm** » 13 Aug 2012, 15:21

A quick rattle through the record books shows that there is only one other Grand Prix winner (not counting the Indy500 winners of the 50s) to be a reject if their win never happened: Peter Gethin. Even then he still has the beating of the Rev with two sixth places, an 8th, 2x9th and 2x10th as well as his victory.

In fact, if Barcelona 2012 was just a crazy dream we all had, Pastor sits below HWNSNBM in the rankings (8th+10th vs 8th+9th+10th)...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 13 Aug 2012, 20:27

mario wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Pastor Maldonado - The only pay driver in history to win a grand prix?

Depends how you cut it - there have been drivers who entered the sport as pay drivers who went on to success. Lauda, for example, is one very notable pay driver - he had to rely on personal savings and loans to buy his way into the March and BRM teams at the beginning of his career.
It might also be possible to add Jo Siffert to the list - his seat at March was paid for by Porsche, and I believe that he might have also had his seat at BRM paid for by Porsche (and whilst he was at BRM, he won the 1971 Austrian GP). I'm sure that, were you to take a closer look, there probably have been a fair number of pay drivers who rose through the ranks to find success at a later date - particularly during the 1970's, when sponsorship first became important and budgets grew quite rapidly.

Not forgetting a certain M. Schumacher, whose race debut at Jordan was paid for by Mercedes.

Post by **mario** » 13 Aug 2012, 21:39

Nuppiz wrote:
mario wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Pastor Maldonado - The only pay driver in history to win a grand prix?

Depends how you cut it - there have been drivers who entered the sport as pay drivers who went on to success. Lauda, for example, is one very notable pay driver - he had to rely on personal savings and loans to buy his way into the March and BRM teams at the beginning of his career.
It might also be possible to add Jo Siffert to the list - his seat at March was paid for by Porsche, and I believe that he might have also had his seat at BRM paid for by Porsche (and whilst he was at BRM, he won the 1971 Austrian GP). I'm sure that, were you to take a closer look, there probably have been a fair number of pay drivers who rose through the ranks to find success at a later date - particularly during the 1970's, when sponsorship first became important and budgets grew quite rapidly.

Not forgetting a certain M. Schumacher, whose race debut at Jordan was paid for by Mercedes.

Quite - hell, technically one of the greatest drivers the sport has seen, Fangio, was a pay driver, at least in junior series and the post war Grand Prix competitions before the Formula 1 category was created (he had his initial career bankrolled by the Argentine government).

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 14 Aug 2012, 07:41

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Here's a video of the crash. Just ...

Pretty nasty smack actually, that kerb is quite high for an F1 car. But still, fail.

johnston21 · Post by **johnston21** » 14 Aug 2012, 20:57

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Here's a video of the crash. Just ...

Perfect "Reject" form(ula)... :mrgreen: