Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 07 Jul 2012, 18:10

Scuderia Platé-Varzi announces that Fagioli will be not replaced for the French Grand Prix

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 07 Jul 2012, 18:30

B. Bira wrote:The win was nice, but I am deeply saddened by the news regarding Luigi Fagioli. I don't want to talk about the race now.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Jul 2012, 22:19

Phoenix Racing Organisation wants to extend its deepest condolences to the family and friends of Luigi Fagioli, as well as to Scuderia Platé - Varzi, on these tough and sorrowful moments.

simonracer · Post by **simonracer** » 13 Jul 2012, 23:18

The Redman Racing Team would like to repeat what has been said by many other teams on the news regarding Luigi Fagioli - condolences to his family and friends. We would also like to say that his death casts a dark shadow over what was a very good race. Franco came home 11th after an average race, but of course, that isn't the most important thing right now.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 14 Jul 2012, 00:35

Graham Whitehead wrote:By jove, that was a scary moment, the car did not to turn into the corner, however no bones broken and nothing that a good brandy could not cure and I hope I can repair my car to start in the British GP. My deepest respects to Luigi Fagiolis familiy.

Aldo Gordini wrote:I hope that papa will let me race in France after I lost control and dented the car up. It is a shame about Luigi Fagioli but we all know the risks when we race.

it is hard to find a french driver for the French GP that has not been signed up. Can I try Louis Gérard who came 2nd in the non championship paris GP in 1950 and 5th in the NC Salon GP in 1949 or Marc Versini who was 3rd in the 1950 NC Paris GP and 4th the previous year?

They will be driving a Delage D6-3LS with a straight six engine.

Moda92 · Post by **Moda92** » 14 Jul 2012, 02:44

Giovanni Bracco will remain with Ambrosiana for the French Grand Prix.

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 09:30

SuperAguri wrote:it is hard to find a french driver for the French GP that has not been signed up. Can I try Louis Gérard who came 2nd in the non championship paris GP in 1950 and 5th in the NC Salon GP in 1949 or Marc Versini who was 3rd in the 1950 NC Paris GP and 4th the previous year?

They will be driving a Delage D6-3LS with a straight six engine.

Gérard is good, but less for his F1 results (I mean, he was second behind Georges frickin' Grignard) than for his sports car results. He's got three top-5s at Le Mans, a Tourist Trophy victory, and second places at the 24h of Spa, the Coupe du Salon, the 12h of Paris and more. He'll be one of the oldest drivers at 52 years old.

Versini, however, is severely lacking in experience, apart from a handful on NC races in a depleted field and a few local sports car races. His entry is rejected.

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 09:42

The entry list is now closed for entries, but the following teams are over the limit for entries, and need to specify whether they want to drop entries for the race:

Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing (current drivers: Eugène Martin, Bob Gerard, Philippe Etancelin)
Alexander Racing Team (current drivers: Tony Bettenhausen, Robert Manzon, Consalvo Sanesi, Yves Giraud-Cabantous)

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Jul 2012, 09:45

And what point did Jaguar-Aston Martin enter for this race?

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 09:54

Wizzie wrote:And what point did Jaguar-Aston Martin enter for this race?

Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you mean by that :oops:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Jul 2012, 10:02

tommykl wrote:
Wizzie wrote:At what point did Jaguar-Aston Martin enter for this race?

Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you mean by that

Fixed. Phoenglish must be spreading :oops:

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 10:27

Wizzie wrote:
tommykl wrote:
Wizzie wrote:At what point did Jaguar-Aston Martin enter for this race?

Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you mean by that

Fixed. Phoenglish must be spreading

Well, on page 1 you said that Gerard and Etancelin were entered for every race bar Indy, Jeremy said the same for Martin.

At that point:

Martin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy

Jeremy then said that Frère would drive for the same races apart from Belgium, where he was to be replaced by Pilette.

Martin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: Monaco, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Pilette: Belgium

Jeremy proposed, to avoid falling foul of the entry cap, to field Pilette under simply Aston Martin for Belgium, but you didn't respond, so that proposal was dead in the water. After Monaco, with the epic fail in quali, you both were annoyed, but initially did nothing about your entries.

Martin: Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Pilette: Belgium

When I said that JAMR was basically screwed unless you dropped entries and switched drivers, Jeremy wished for the lineup to stay the same, leaving the ultimate decision up to you. Then, he realised that if they stayed the same, the team would be screwed anyway and pulled all of the entries from Belgium, and Belgium only, citing Jaguar as the reason for the team's inevitable lack of competitivity.

Martin: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy

You then enquired about the advantages of chassis and engine changes. I told you that a driver switch would be better, and you hinted at wanting to switch drivers, but initially did nothing to change your lineup. You then tried to sign Moss for Great Britain, but since he's driving for Alfa, you accepted ENB's proposition of Trintignant instead, agreeing with Jeremy to pull all other entries at Silverstone.

Martin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Trintignant: Britain

After ENB's performance gain, they asked to retain Frère for the rest of the season, to which you agreed.

Martin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Trintignant: Britain

Apart from that, your only announcement regarding drivers was the possibility of signing Gonzalez for 1952.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Jul 2012, 10:53

tommykl wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
tommykl wrote:Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you mean by that

Fixed. Phoenglish must be spreading

Well, on page 1 you said that Gerard and Etancelin were entered for every race bar Indy, Jeremy said the same for Martin.

At that point:

Martin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy

Jeremy then said that Frère would drive for the same races apart from Belgium, where he was to be replaced by Pilette.

Martin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: Monaco, Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: Monaco, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Pilette: Belgium

Jeremy proposed, to avoid falling foul of the entry cap, to field Pilette under simply Aston Martin for Belgium, but you didn't respond, so that proposal was dead in the water. After Monaco, with the epic fail in quali, you both were annoyed, but initially did nothing about your entries.

Martin: Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: Belgium, France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Pilette: Belgium

When I said that JAMR was basically screwed unless you dropped entries and switched drivers, Jeremy wished for the lineup to stay the same, leaving the ultimate decision up to you. Then, he realised that if they stayed the same, the team would be screwed anyway and pulled all of the entries from Belgium, and Belgium only, citing Jaguar as the reason for the team's inevitable lack of competitivity.

Martin: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy

You then enquired about the advantages of chassis and engine changes. I told you that a driver switch would be better, and you hinted at wanting to switch drivers, but initially did nothing to change your lineup. You then tried to sign Moss for Great Britain, but since he's driving for Alfa, you accepted ENB's proposition of Trintignant instead, agreeing with Jeremy to pull all other entries at Silverstone.

Martin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Frère: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Trintignant: Britain

After ENB's performance gain, they asked to retain Frère for the rest of the season, to which you agreed.

Martin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Gerard: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Etancelin: France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy
Trintignant: Britain

Apart from that, your only announcement regarding drivers was the possibility of signing Gonzalez for 1952.

Ah. In that case, withdraw all our entries for France and we'll figure it out from there.

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 11:08

The entry list is now updated, with 30 cars left. AdrianSutil, you still need to specify which drivers you will drop.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Jul 2012, 11:10

Oh and, for the record, Jaguar-Aston Martin will run a one-off Aston Martin chassis with a Jaguar engine for Trintignant at Britain.

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 11:13

Wizzie wrote:Oh and, for the record, Jaguar-Aston Martin will run a one-off Aston Martin chassis with a Jaguar engine for Trintignant at Britain.

As you wish

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Jul 2012, 11:17

tommykl wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Oh and, for the record, Jaguar-Aston Martin will run a one-off Aston Martin chassis with a Jaguar engine for Trintignant at Britain.

As you wish

That does get me an extra bonus point, doesn't it?

Post by **tommykl** » 15 Jul 2012, 11:47

Wizzie wrote:
tommykl wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Oh and, for the record, Jaguar-Aston Martin will run a one-off Aston Martin chassis with a Jaguar engine for Trintignant at Britain.

As you wish

That does get me an extra bonus point, doesn't it?

With the Jaguar engine finishing 4th in Belgium, it actually gets you 3 bonus points now

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 15 Jul 2012, 12:18

I'll agree Trintignant entering Britain but I'll propose us withdrawing from France as well as Germany.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Jul 2012, 12:27

JeremyMcClean wrote:I'll agree Trintignant entering Britain but I'll propose us withdrawing from France as well as Germany.

I second this notion. Maybe this partnership can work out after all :lol:

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 15 Jul 2012, 13:08

ART-Gordini will drop Consalvo Sanesi only. Bettenhausen is our lead driver and the other two are at their home race.

Post by **tommykl** » 16 Jul 2012, 16:37

Everything is now set for the weekend to begin. Qualifying will be tomorrow, with the review done the same way as for Belgium, only the order is done by surname alphabetical order (what, I was bored :mrgreen:

).

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 16 Jul 2012, 22:39

tommykl wrote:Everything is now set for the weekend to begin. Qualifying will be tomorrow, with the review done the same way as for Belgium, only the order is done by surname alphabetical order (what, I was bored ).

29 cars for 28 grid spots, probably it's the Bugatti that will end up 29th :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 17 Jul 2012, 00:18

Nope, it's rather gonna be Tony Rolt. :lol:

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 17 Jul 2012, 01:30

Please the gods of RP can help SPV to score a good grid position here

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 06:49

Klon wrote:Nope, it's rather gonna be Tony Rolt.

Wrong, there is no Tony Rolt in this race :lol:

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 07:40

June 30th 1951, French Grand Prix qualifying

The team and driver presentation will be done when every driver takes his turn.

First driver up is Alberto Ascari, in the number 10 Phoenix. He finished 13th in Belgium, Phoenix's first finish of the season, and Ascari's best ever result. This should give him a small morale boost here at Reims. He at least isn't in immediate danger of failing to qualify, luckily for him, as at the end of a decent lap, he first slid a bit at the exit of Garenne, before doing a full spin at Thillois, losing a substantial amount of time, which will probably leave him at the rear of the midfield.

Provisional standings
1. Ascari

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 07:47

Next up is main ART driver Tony Bettenhausen. He's been having bad luck for the whole season, involved in an accident with Chiron at Monaco and retiring with brake failure at Spa. He still has that second place at Bremgarten last year for him, but it'll soon be forgotten if he fails to deliver again. And deliver he did. His lap wasn't pole position material, but decent enough for a top ten grid place, which could have been better if not for a slight wobble coming out of the tricky Thillois corner. In any case, he's well ahead of Ascari, and therefore ensure his qualification.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Ascari

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 08:40

Clemente Biondetti is the third driver to hit the track in the Ferrari-Jaguar. Von Brauchitsch led this car to fourth place in Belgium, the first points for the team and the Jaguar engine. This means that the team should be even better this time around, with Clemente looking for a potential first points finish. However, it'll be difficult to acheive that, as Clemente's lap was nothing short of disastrous, making mistake after mistake to record the slowest time so far, incidentally qualifying Alberto Ascari for the race. Jacques de Rham will have to hope that von Brauchitsch will have a repeat of Spa.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Ascari
3. Biondetti

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 08:58

Next up, B. Bira, the winner at Spa-Francorchamps and currently third in the championship. The win put Motorsport Bleu one step ahead of the rival from last year, Claes Racing developments, and the Talbot-Lago is still a very good car. At the team's home race, he'll be looking for another good performance. As it turned out, Bira was once again much weaker in qualifying, which is quickly turning into one of his weak points. A mistake-ridden lap that will leave him mired in the midfield. As of now, though, Biondetti is still in danger of failing to qualify.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Bira
3. Ascari
4. Biondetti

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 10:23

Giovanni Bracco is next in the frankly hopeless Ambrosiana, and one of the main candidates for non-qualification. Giovanni finished 15th in Belgium, an encouraging result for the Mille Miglia runner-up. Indeed, the car may be improving, but small steps will have to do. Also, a very scruffy last part to the lap actually made him lose around a second, which could have put him on par with Bira. Instead, he is provisionally last, which qualifies Biondetti for the race.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Bira
3. Ascari
4. Biondetti
5. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 12:26

Eugène Chaboud, along with Villoresi, holds the sad record for th most DNQs, with 4. For his home race, he gets his first taste of top-class machinery, finally leaving the ENB-Bugattis that he was saddled with last year. He grabbed his chance with both hands, and despite a hefty slide at Thillois, which is proving to be very problematic, he drove a decent lap to put himself in a provisional second place.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Chaboud
3. Bira
4. Ascari
5. Biondetti
6. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 12:41

Louis Chiron found himself out of a drive following Ferrari America's lacklustre result at Monaco, following which they had to cut down on entries. He found his refuge at Commesso, which looks to be rising up the order, now with a world class driver replacing Landi, who will drive for SPV at this race. All of this potential was wasted, however. Chiron is beginning to show his age, as he was simply off the pace for the entire lap losing second after second after second. The car itself and Chiron's experience was enough to prevent him from failing to qualify by just a tenth of a second by beating only Bracco.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Chaboud
3. Bira
4. Ascari
5. Biondetti
6. Chiron
7. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 13:07

Johnny Claes, and has been outclassed by his team mate André Simon since the start of the season, after piling on bad race after bad race. He'll be looking to use his good car and hefty experience to his advantage. However, he failed to get much speed out of the car, losing some time on the run down to la Garenne, as well as at Thillois (what a surprise), leaving him some way behind the probable times of the leaders.

Provisional standings
1. Bettenhausen
2. Chaboud
3. Claes
4. Bira
5. Ascari
6. Biondetti
7. Chiron
8. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 13:21

Toulo de Graffenried is next. The man was a championship contender last year, yet has failed to finish a single race this year. He was classified tenth at Monaco, but actually retired with a few laps remaining. A points finish would greatly improve his morale and his performance. He came one step closer to this goal by setting the best lap so far, outpacing Bettenhausen by around two seconds to take a safe provisional pole. It will be difficult to get the Swiss away from this position, though.

Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Chaboud
4. Claes
5. Bira
6. Ascari
7. Biondetti
8. Chiron
9. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 15:20

Juan Manuel Fangio is up next. The main contender for the championship last year before getting pipped by Farina, Fangio has failed to finish a single race this year. In both races, he was on for a points finish, even a podium at Monaco, but failed to finish both times. He desperately needs to finish here to keep his championship hopes alive. Before that, he needs a good qualifying performance, but he didn't really step up to the plate, doing better than most of the other drivers, but really nothing too special, failing to even get close to de Graffenried and getting narrowly outpaced by Bettenhausen.

Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Chaboud
5. Claes
6. Bira
7. Ascari
8. Biondetti
9. Chiron
10. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 15:28

Farina is next and will be looking to outpace his team mate. After narrowly missing out on a win at Spa, he'll try to become the first driver to score twice this season. However, he was just as halfway-decent as Fangio, only a little less on the pace, around half a second behind.

Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Bira
8. Ascari
9. Biondetti
10. Chiron
11. Bracco

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 15:35

The next driver out on track is our first one-off privateer, Louis Gérard. The sports car driver is the first driver to drive a Delage in a championship Formula One race, so basically has nothing going for him, but will be mainly looking to qualify to race at home. As it turned out, he had to pull out an absolutely stunning lap to even get close to Bracco's slowest time. He failed by less than half a second, qualifying Bracco and putting himself in the DNQ zone.

Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Bira
8. Ascari
9. Biondetti
10. Chiron
11. Bracco
12. Gérard

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 15:55

Yves Giraud-Cabantous has gotten most of ART's bad luck, the rest belonging to Bettenhausen. After an early retirement at Monaco, he ran in the top ten at Spa before recording another retirement. He also needs a finish to kickstart his season. That finish, however, isn't looking too good, as he also lost heaps of time over the entire length of the lap, with only Chiron being comparatively worse. He'll be mired in the back of the field.

Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Bira
8. Ascari
9. Giraud-Cabantous
10. Biondetti
11. Chiron
12. Bracco
13. Gérard

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Jul 2012, 17:25

Gonzalez is next in the second Phoenix. Beating his team mate shouldn't be a difficult task, but he'll mainly want to finish the race, hopefully in a good position. Actually, Gonzalez was the textbook definition of average. Right now, most of the drivers have been below average, which leaves José in a relatively good position, slightly ahead of his team mate.

Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Ascari
10. Giraud-Cabantous
11. Biondetti
12. Chiron
13. Bracco
14. Gérard