Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
The second privateer is next, Aldo Gordini, whose father again left him a car after his decent showing at Spa, where, by some wonder of nature, he wasn't in the bottom three by the time he retired. To impress daddy, he'll have to get a similar result at his home race. Sadly, despite having more chances to qualify than his main rival, Gérard, he was all over the place for the first half of the lap and nothing special for the final few corners. The result: Aldo is soundly beaten by Gérard and almost certain to DNQ.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Ascari
10. Giraud-Cabantous
11. Biondetti
12. Chiron
13. Bracco
14. Gérard
15. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Ascari
10. Giraud-Cabantous
11. Biondetti
12. Chiron
13. Bracco
14. Gérard
15. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Georges Grignard, after his disappointing DNQ for Commesso at Monaco, didn't embarass himself at all at Spa, losing only one lap to the leaders for Ecurie Albertini, which isn't badly run for a rookie private team. Bira's win in basically the same car will also give the team an added boost. The team and driver's improvement showed, as Grignard did a textbook average lap, nothing special, and that was enough for a provisional top ten, granted in front of some big disappointments, but pretty much secure for a spot in the top 20 on the grid.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Grignard
10. Ascari
11. Giraud-Cabantous
12. Biondetti
13. Chiron
14. Bracco
15. Gérard
16. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Grignard
10. Ascari
11. Giraud-Cabantous
12. Biondetti
13. Chiron
14. Bracco
15. Gérard
16. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
David Hampshire's finish at Spa was just what he needed to leap forward in terms of pace, both he and his team. He'll be looking to get a good result in order to earn a second entry for his home race in order to enter ths planned second Alta for Le Mans winner Peter Walker. However, his first few corners were simply disastrous, and although he managed to claw back some of the time, the end result was not a pretty sight. However, the fact that managed to gain a second in the lap's second part means that he will qualify, as he is still ahead of Gordini.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Grignard
10. Ascari
11. Giraud-Cabantous
12. Biondetti
13. Chiron
14. Bracco
15. Gérard
16. Hampshire
17. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Grignard
10. Ascari
11. Giraud-Cabantous
12. Biondetti
13. Chiron
14. Bracco
15. Gérard
16. Hampshire
17. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Chico Landi is up next for Scuderia Platé-Varzi. The team is still having trouble affirming itself as the de facto works Maserati team. The untimely death of Luigi Fagioli at Spa did nothing to help the team, and Landi is faced with the tough task of taking the veteran's place. Maybe it was sheer intimidation that kept Chico from showing his true pace, coupled with yet another mistake at the inevitable Thillois corner. He'll start from the rear of the field.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Grignard
10. Ascari
11. Giraud-Cabantous
12. Landi
13. Biondetti
14. Chiron
15. Bracco
16. Gérard
17. Hampshire
18. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Fangio
4. Farina
5. Chaboud
6. Claes
7. Gonzalez
8. Bira
9. Grignard
10. Ascari
11. Giraud-Cabantous
12. Landi
13. Biondetti
14. Chiron
15. Bracco
16. Gérard
17. Hampshire
18. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Robert Manzon had a relatively disappointing weekend at Spa, qualifying outside of the top five, and retiring early on from the top five. He'll want to score more points at his home race to add to his victory at Monaco. Manzon is starting his weekend in a nice way indeed, by setting an impressive lap time. Not enough to beat de Graffenried at all, but definitely good enough for a solid provisional second...until Thillois, when a mistake saw him lose speed down the whole front straight, falling just short of his teammate Bettenhausen.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Chaboud
7. Claes
8. Gonzalez
9. Bira
10. Grignard
11. Ascari
12. Giraud-Cabantous
13. Landi
14. Biondetti
15. Chiron
16. Bracco
17. Gérard
18. Hampshire
19. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Chaboud
7. Claes
8. Gonzalez
9. Bira
10. Grignard
11. Ascari
12. Giraud-Cabantous
13. Landi
14. Biondetti
15. Chiron
16. Bracco
17. Gérard
18. Hampshire
19. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Stirling Moss is up next. He'll want to reboud from a horrendous performance in Belgium, where he qualified at the very back and retired before he could return to the front. His performance was, again, subpar, but his great car and the fact that most drivers had been even worse than him meant that his time was good enough for a solid midfield start position.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Chaboud
7. Claes
8. Moss
9. Gonzalez
10. Bira
11. Grignard
12. Ascari
13. Giraud-Cabantous
14. Landi
15. Biondetti
16. Chiron
17. Bracco
18. Gérard
19. Hampshire
20. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Chaboud
7. Claes
8. Moss
9. Gonzalez
10. Bira
11. Grignard
12. Ascari
13. Giraud-Cabantous
14. Landi
15. Biondetti
16. Chiron
17. Bracco
18. Gérard
19. Hampshire
20. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
André Pilette is the next driver to come out, and he is looking to build on his podium at his home race, which could easily have been a race win. ENB have made leaps and bounds towards the front. However, André will have to drive the overweight Bugatti this weekend, and this could have a negative effect on his pace. Pilette was on for a very good lap, but lost time for the whole second half of the lap, to end up with an average lap time, that will leave him firmly in the midfield, confirming his driving ability and ENB's newfound speed.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Chaboud
7. Claes
8. Moss
9. Gonzalez
10. Bira
11. Grignard
12. Pilette
13. Ascari
14. Giraud-Cabantous
15. Landi
16. Biondetti
17. Chiron
18. Bracco
19. Gérard
20. Hampshire
21. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Chaboud
7. Claes
8. Moss
9. Gonzalez
10. Bira
11. Grignard
12. Pilette
13. Ascari
14. Giraud-Cabantous
15. Landi
16. Biondetti
17. Chiron
18. Bracco
19. Gérard
20. Hampshire
21. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Franco Rol is next, and wants to confirm that he is a top driver after his fifth place at Monaco. He was only 11th in Belgium, and wants a better result here at Reims, and so does Redman. In the end, Rol's lap was good, but not blindingly quick. In the end though, it was enough for a provisional top ten, setting him up nicely for a decent result on Sunday. In fact, without some of his mistakes, he could have been challenging for a front row start.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Moss
10. Gonzalez
11. Bira
12. Grignard
13. Pilette
14. Ascari
15. Giraud-Cabantous
16. Landi
17. Biondetti
18. Chiron
19. Bracco
20. Gérard
21. Hampshire
22. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Moss
10. Gonzalez
11. Bira
12. Grignard
13. Pilette
14. Ascari
15. Giraud-Cabantous
16. Landi
17. Biondetti
18. Chiron
19. Bracco
20. Gérard
21. Hampshire
22. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Dorino Serafini, the major surprise last year, has had a good start to the year, with third place at Monaco, and almost a second points finish at Spa. He really wants to score some more points to announce himself as title challenger after narrowly losing the championship last season. However, Dorino was inexplicably slow throughout the whole lap, and ended up at the front of the midfield instead of the front of the grid, and is definitely one of the biggest disappointments of the session, the largest still being Louis Chiron.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Serafini
10. Moss
11. Gonzalez
12. Bira
13. Grignard
14. Pilette
15. Ascari
16. Giraud-Cabantous
17. Landi
18. Biondetti
19. Chiron
20. Bracco
21. Gérard
22. Hampshire
23. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Serafini
10. Moss
11. Gonzalez
12. Bira
13. Grignard
14. Pilette
15. Ascari
16. Giraud-Cabantous
17. Landi
18. Biondetti
19. Chiron
20. Bracco
21. Gérard
22. Hampshire
23. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Next, André Simon. He's been driving consistently since the start of the season, but hasn't been particularly quick. He'll want to pull off a good performance at his home race. However, he didn't really get off to a good start, though while the time was slower than what they expected, Simon is still in the top half of the grid, so he's in a decent position for a good result to kick-start his season.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Serafini
10. Moss
11. Simon
12. Gonzalez
13. Bira
14. Grignard
15. Pilette
16. Ascari
17. Giraud-Cabantous
18. Landi
19. Biondetti
20. Chiron
21. Bracco
22. Gérard
23. Hampshire
24. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Serafini
10. Moss
11. Simon
12. Gonzalez
13. Bira
14. Grignard
15. Pilette
16. Ascari
17. Giraud-Cabantous
18. Landi
19. Biondetti
20. Chiron
21. Bracco
22. Gérard
23. Hampshire
24. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Piero Taruffi is next in the Metcalf. His season is remarkably similar to Simon's, only it wasn't expected. Taruffi's stellar performance at Monacomeant that the car drastically improved at Spa, which means that the Metcalf is now a solid midfield car. He promptly decided to follow the status quo for the session and be horrendous for the second part of the lap, which may or may not be wet (that would explain a lot). He is firmly at the back of the grid, now.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Serafini
10. Moss
11. Simon
12. Gonzalez
13. Bira
14. Grignard
15. Pilette
16. Ascari
17. Giraud-Cabantous
18. Landi
19. Biondetti
20. Chiron
21. Bracco
22. Gérard
23. Taruffi
24. Hampshire
25. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Chaboud
8. Claes
9. Serafini
10. Moss
11. Simon
12. Gonzalez
13. Bira
14. Grignard
15. Pilette
16. Ascari
17. Giraud-Cabantous
18. Landi
19. Biondetti
20. Chiron
21. Bracco
22. Gérard
23. Taruffi
24. Hampshire
25. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Maurice Trintignant has been having an unlucky season so far, with a bad day when the car is slow, and therefore failing to qualify at Monaco, then retiring when the car was quick at Spa. As it turned out, he could have easily taken a front row spot, but his start to the lap was absolutely disastrous. He was one of the only drivers to not mess up at Thillois, and not only did he not mess up, he found the perfect line through it. Doing the same at la Garenne was enough to claw back as much time as necessary, and guarantee a top ten grid spot at his home race.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Trintignant
8. Chaboud
9. Claes
10. Serafini
11. Moss
12. Simon
13. Gonzalez
14. Bira
15. Grignard
16. Pilette
17. Ascari
18. Giraud-Cabantous
19. Landi
20. Biondetti
21. Chiron
22. Bracco
23. Gérard
24. Taruffi
25. Hampshire
26. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Trintignant
8. Chaboud
9. Claes
10. Serafini
11. Moss
12. Simon
13. Gonzalez
14. Bira
15. Grignard
16. Pilette
17. Ascari
18. Giraud-Cabantous
19. Landi
20. Biondetti
21. Chiron
22. Bracco
23. Gérard
24. Taruffi
25. Hampshire
26. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Luigi Villoresi has been on an unlucky streak since the start of last season. He's recorded four DNQs and has failed to get any sort of pace out of the Ferrari for Ferrari America. He desperately needs to get a good result in qualifying, and finish the race to boost his morale. This plan is starting well, as Luigi finally managed to string together a decent lap, better than expected, although not especially quick. However, due to most of the drivers falling foul of the probable rain around la Garenne or Thillois, Luigi managed to haul himself into the top ten, a great result for Ferrari America.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Trintignant
8. Villoresi
9. Chaboud
10. Claes
11. Serafini
12. Moss
13. Simon
14. Gonzalez
15. Bira
16. Grignard
17. Pilette
18. Ascari
19. Giraud-Cabantous
20. Landi
21. Biondetti
22. Chiron
23. Bracco
24. Gérard
25. Taruffi
26. Hampshire
27. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Trintignant
8. Villoresi
9. Chaboud
10. Claes
11. Serafini
12. Moss
13. Simon
14. Gonzalez
15. Bira
16. Grignard
17. Pilette
18. Ascari
19. Giraud-Cabantous
20. Landi
21. Biondetti
22. Chiron
23. Bracco
24. Gérard
25. Taruffi
26. Hampshire
27. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Manfred von Brauchitsch is next. He finished fourth in Spa, to mark the true start of his post-war career, and wishes to continue on this path. At 45 years old, Manfred is reaching the end of his career, but there is no reason why he couldn't continue for half a dozen more years, so he wants to confirm that he is still capable of racing consistently at a world class level. That will have to wait though, as he was another victim of the greasy track towards the end of the lap, ending up at the rear of the midfield.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Trintignant
8. Villoresi
9. Chaboud
10. Claes
11. Serafini
12. Moss
13. Simon
14. Gonzalez
15. Bira
16. Grignard
17. Pilette
18. Ascari
19. von Brauchitsch
20. Giraud-Cabantous
21. Landi
22. Biondetti
23. Chiron
24. Bracco
25. Gérard
26. Taruffi
27. Hampshire
28. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Bettenhausen
3. Manzon
4. Fangio
5. Farina
6. Rol
7. Trintignant
8. Villoresi
9. Chaboud
10. Claes
11. Serafini
12. Moss
13. Simon
14. Gonzalez
15. Bira
16. Grignard
17. Pilette
18. Ascari
19. von Brauchitsch
20. Giraud-Cabantous
21. Landi
22. Biondetti
23. Chiron
24. Bracco
25. Gérard
26. Taruffi
27. Hampshire
28. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
The final driver to come out on track is Peter Whitehead for Ferrari. Peter wasn't chosen by Ferrari at Spa, despite the fact that he had finished third there last year and that his half-brother Graham took part in the race. Instead, he drove in Monaco, and finished in seventh place, leaving Peter begging for some points. He came one step closer to those points by setting the third best performance of the session behind de Graffenried and Louis Gérard to get up to second place on the grid, still a fair way behind de Graffenried, who therefore takes his first pole position.
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Whitehead
3. Bettenhausen
4. Manzon
5. Fangio
6. Farina
7. Rol
8. Trintignant
9. Villoresi
10. Chaboud
11. Claes
12. Serafini
13. Moss
14. Simon
15. Gonzalez
16. Bira
17. Grignard
18. Pilette
19. Ascari
20. von Brauchitsch
21. Giraud-Cabantous
22. Landi
23. Biondetti
24. Chiron
25. Bracco
26. Gérard
27. Taruffi
28. Hampshire
29. Gordini
Provisional standings
1. de Graffenried
2. Whitehead
3. Bettenhausen
4. Manzon
5. Fangio
6. Farina
7. Rol
8. Trintignant
9. Villoresi
10. Chaboud
11. Claes
12. Serafini
13. Moss
14. Simon
15. Gonzalez
16. Bira
17. Grignard
18. Pilette
19. Ascari
20. von Brauchitsch
21. Giraud-Cabantous
22. Landi
23. Biondetti
24. Chiron
25. Bracco
26. Gérard
27. Taruffi
28. Hampshire
29. Gordini
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Times should be posted by Friday.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Full standings for qualifying
1. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) 2:26.2
2. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) 2:27.8
3. Tony Bettenhausen (Gordini) 2:28.2
4. Robert Manzon (Gordini) 2:28.3
5. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) 2:28.4
6. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) 2:28.8
7. Franco Rol (Maserati) 2:29.3
8. Maurice Trintignant (Alfa Romeo) 2:29.4
9. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari) 2:29.9
10. Eugène Chaboud (Alfa Romeo) 2:30.1
11. Johnny Claes (Maserati) 2:30.2
12. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) 2:30.3
13. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) 2:30.4
14. André Simon (Maserati) 2:30.5
15. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix-Ferrari) 2:30.7
16. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) 2:30.8
17. Georges Grignard (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) 2:30.9
18. André Pilette (Bugatti) 2:31.0
19. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) 2:31.1
20. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) 2:31.2
21. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Gordini) 2:31.3
22. Chico Landi (Maserati) 2:31.6
23. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) 2:31.7
24. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) 2:31.8
25. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) 2:31.9
26. Louis Gérard (Delage) 2:32.2
27. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) 2:32.3
28. David Hampshire (Alta) 2:32.6
29. Aldo Gordini (Simca Gordini-Gordini) 2:33.8
The race will be 52 laps long. I'll be gone for the whole of next week, and I can't guarantee that I'll finish by this Sunday, so you'll have to wait a bit for this one.
1. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) 2:26.2
2. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) 2:27.8
3. Tony Bettenhausen (Gordini) 2:28.2
4. Robert Manzon (Gordini) 2:28.3
5. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) 2:28.4
6. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) 2:28.8
7. Franco Rol (Maserati) 2:29.3
8. Maurice Trintignant (Alfa Romeo) 2:29.4
9. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari) 2:29.9
10. Eugène Chaboud (Alfa Romeo) 2:30.1
11. Johnny Claes (Maserati) 2:30.2
12. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) 2:30.3
13. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) 2:30.4
14. André Simon (Maserati) 2:30.5
15. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix-Ferrari) 2:30.7
16. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) 2:30.8
17. Georges Grignard (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) 2:30.9
18. André Pilette (Bugatti) 2:31.0
19. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) 2:31.1
20. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) 2:31.2
21. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Gordini) 2:31.3
22. Chico Landi (Maserati) 2:31.6
23. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) 2:31.7
24. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) 2:31.8
25. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) 2:31.9
26. Louis Gérard (Delage) 2:32.2
27. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) 2:32.3
28. David Hampshire (Alta) 2:32.6
29. Aldo Gordini (Simca Gordini-Gordini) 2:33.8
The race will be 52 laps long. I'll be gone for the whole of next week, and I can't guarantee that I'll finish by this Sunday, so you'll have to wait a bit for this one.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Simon Redman wrote:I'm pleased with Franco's result in qualifying here at Reims. We're the first Maserait on the grid and we managed to outpace some fairly fast cars, so yes, it's a good result. I'm hoping that we keep a similar pace up in the race and get to the end of the race, because in that case we'll be headed for a good result.
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
I actually managed to pull off a miracle and get this finished.
July 1st 1951, French Grand Prix
De Graffenried had a very good start and still led at the end of lap 1 without putting a foot wrong. Manzon also got a very good start, even better than de Graffenried, and duly took second place, with Whitehead now third ahead of Bettenhausen and Fangio. Another driver who made the perfect start was André Simon, who was still 14th, but was very threatening. Bettenhausen then passed Whitehead for third position, leaving the Englishman squabbling over fourth with Fangio, with Farina and Rol a short way back. Fangio then launched an attack to move up to third place, while Manzon dropped back, as Bettenhausen was the only one who managed to respond quickly enough, keeping his second place. Manzon also dropped behind Whitehead, down to fifth and fighting with Farina, who had let Rol behind him after a very quick lap.
Bettenhausen then set about catching de Graffenried, who was already in a commanding lead, tracking him down in just one lap, finishing lap 4 just behind the Swiss, with Whitehead and Fangio side by side around half a second behind, with Manzon one second behind then, closely followed by Farina, the others being already left behind the top six. However, despite Bettenhausen's best attempts, de Graffenried kept the lead, actually extending the gap, while the gaps separating the rest of the top six just got smaller and smaller.
Instead, it was Whitehead who bridged the gap between Toulo and the chasing pack, followed equally closely by Manzon, then Bettenhausen and Farina, with Fangio having fallen back somewhat. De Graffenried wasn't about to let his lead slip away. He wants his first win badly. Bettenhausen, meanwhile, was falling behind and getting caught by Johnny Claes, having a good race for a change. Dorino Serafini was the first man to retire on lap 7, when his car gave up the ghost in the village of Gueux. He was fighting for 11th with Maurice Trintignant at the time of his retirement.
The Ferraris then inexplicably slowed, leaving a golden opportunity for the other drivers. Farina took advantage of this, setting the fastest lap of the race and also taking the race lead in the process, therefore leading after a fifth of the race. De Graffenried kept second place, with Whitehead and Manzon side by side for third place. Fangio was just behind in fifth, rounding out the points. A bit further behind was Johnny Claes, sensing the opportunity for some attrition-aided points, with Bettenhausen just behind him, having just been passed. Trintignant, who had been setting some extremely quick laps, Gonzalez and Simon closed off the top ten.
Farina then set about improving his lead, this being a relatively easy task, with de Graffenried, Fangio, Manzon and Whitehead all fighting hard over second place. On lap 14, Toulo decided that he had had enough and started to hunt down Farina, who had a lead of several seconds already. He was followed by Manzon, trying to hang on to a potential podium finish. Bettenhausen also retired from the race, after a promising start to the race then saw him lose place after place and end up seventh. Maybe he was trying too hard to make up some places, all we can tell is that the car gave up on him.
Whitehead was now falling behind and on the verge of being passed by Trintignant and Claes. Fangio was also catching up, now around a second behind Manzon. On the next lap, Fangio had fallen behind, while Whitehead escaped from Trintignant and Claes, both getting closer to each other. However, for Fangio, this was only temporary, and he took third from Manzon, taking advantage of a mistake by the Frenchman on lap 18. Fangio was on fire at this point, and was now chasing down de Graffenried. The Swiss responded by setting his personal fastest lap, getting closer and closer to Farina in the process.
However, the leading two would only be able to stay on the pace for so long, and both started to slow down, while Fangio was still very strong. Manzon also managed to keep a reasonable distance between Fangio and himself, also leaving Whitehead in his wake. The Englishman was having trouble staying on the pace, and Trintignant and Claes were getting closer and closer. André Simon then retired from the race. After a good start that saw him into the top ten for a short time, he was in twelfth when his car stopped by the side of the road.
At the halfway point, Farina still led, but de Graffenried was now closer than ever. Fangio would have been right there with them, but made a mistake on lap 25 and was a bit further behind. Manzon was still a solid fourth, with Whitehead in fifth position. Trintignant was sixth and getting closer to Whitehead, with Claes just a bit further behind the Frenchman. Stirling Moss, Franco Rol and B. Bira round out the top ten. Gonzalez, Pilette, Chiron, Grignard, von Brauchitsch, Villoresi, Chaboud, Giraud-Cabantous, Ascari and Taruffi make up the positions 11-20. The order is finished by, in that order, Landi, Biondetti, Bracco and Gérard. But where is Hampshire, you ask? On the side of the road at Thillois, his engine on fire. He was in a glorious...erm...second-last.
De Graffenried retook the lead on lap 27, but Farina wasn't going to let go. Indeed, he took the lead again on the next lap after outbraking Toulo at Thillois. Manzon was falling off the pace at this point, Whitehead was now breathing down his neck, and he eventually passed him on lap 29. However, after Fagioli's fatal accident at Spa two weeks ago, no one wished for what happened next.
Franco Rol was running a decent race in ninth position when he inexplicably span off at la Garenne. The rear end of the car impacted the ditch on the side of the track at full speed. The car was sent cartwheeling across the fields, catching fire in mid-air and throwing Franco out, landing about 100m away from the track. Franco was taken to the hospital, but it doesn't look good at all.
But the race went on, and Manzon took fourth again from Whitehead, but the battle between the two allowed Trintignant to join in the fun. Moss, who was 8th at that point, also retired from the race. His gearbox was having trouble, and he came into the pits for his mechanics to take a look, but to no avail, and he was forced to retire. Fangio was now having difficulties and getting cought by Manzon, Whitehead and Trintignant.
Trintignant finally passed Whitehead on lap 32, while Manzon passed Fangio to take third place. On the next lap, de Graffenried took advantage of a mistake by Farina to retake the lead. On lap 35, Farina took the lead again, while Fangio moved back into third place, but not by overtaking Manzon. The Frenchman's Gordini lay by the side of the road with a ruptured oil line. Race over.
Fangio's third place was quickly under threat from Trintignant, and both were side by side starting lap 37, while at the very front, Farina and de Graffenried were in the same position. De Graffenried won the battle, but the war was by no means won. It looked that way in the battle for third however, as Trintignant managed to overtake Fangio, and looks like he's got the pace to steal third. Meanwhile, Claes and Whitehead were scrabbling over the last points place, with Whitehead still ahead by a few seconds.
Piero Taruffi then retired from the race with an as-of-yet unidentified mechanical failure. The Metcalf was running in 16th place. At this point, de Graffenried was pulling away and had pretty much won the race, while Farina was running the risk of getting caught and passed by Trintignant.
On lap 42, Giovanni Bracco also retired, when he span at Gueux. He span straight through the straw bales, where, luckily, the spectators managed to get out of harm's way, and stalled the engine, ending his race. Also, Claes finally passed Whitehead to move into the points, sensing the revenge for Monaco, where he was caught out at the last minute. However, Whitehead wasn't over yet, and when Claes span at Thillois, Peter passed him again.
In front of them, Trintignant caught Farina on lap 45, and they crossed the line side by side. At this point, Fangio is also running the risk of being passed by Whitehead and Claes. Claes, meanwhile, was getting closer and closer to Whitehead, but was running out of time to make a pass for fifth. Trintignant and Farina were still in epic battle, side by side every time they crossed the line. wo top drivers in similar cars are making for a great show.
The show ended when Farina made a mistake at la Garenne, allowing Trintignant to pull away into a safe second place. Claes was unable to get close enough to Whitehead to score points, while Whitehead came close to passing Fangio for fourth position, but failed.
1. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) 2:16:32.4
2. Maurice Trintignant (Alfa Romeo) +2:25.7
3. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
4. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +2 laps
5. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +2 laps
6. Johnny Claes (Maserati) +2 laps
7. André Pilette (Bugatti) +3 laps
8. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix-Ferrari) +3 laps
9. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) +3 laps
10. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Gordini) +4 laps
11. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +4 laps
12. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari) +4 laps
13. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) +4 laps
14. Eugène Chaboud (Alfa Romeo) +4 laps
15. Chico Landi (Maserati) +5 laps
16. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) +5 laps
17. Georges Grignard (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +5 laps
18. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) +5 laps
19. Louis Gérard (Delage) +8 laps
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +16 laps/Spin
Ret. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) +18 laps/Driveshaft
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +19 laps/Oil line
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +25 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Franco Rol (Maserati) +26 laps/Accident
Ret. David Hampshire (Alta) +30 laps/Engine
Ret. André Simon (Maserati) +32 laps/Engine
Ret. Tony Bettenhausen (Gordini) +40 laps/Overheating
Ret. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +46 laps/Transmission
Fastest lap: Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) 2:26.7
Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. Giuseppe Farina - 10
2. Robert Manzon - 9 (1 win, 2 Rets)
3. Troy Ruttman - 9 (1 win)
4. Toulo de Graffenried - 8 (1 win, 1 10th)
5. B. Bira - 8 (1 win, 1 11th)
6. André Pilette - 6 (1 2nd, 1 7th)
7. Consalvo Sanesi - 6 (1 2nd, 1 10th)
8. Maurice Trintignant - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret)
9. Jimmy Jackson - 6 (1 2nd)
10. Dorino Serafini - 4 (1 3rd, 1 6th)
11. Bill Vukovich - 4 (1 3rd)
12. Manfred von Brauchitsch - 3 (1 4th, 1 13th)
13. Juan Manuel Fangio - 3 (1 4th, 2 Rets)
14. Paul Pietsch - 3 (1 4th)
=. Myron Fohr - 3 (1 4th)
16. Peter Whitehead - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
17. Charles Van Acker - 2 (1 5th, 1 8th)
18. Franco Rol - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
19. Reg Parnell - 2 (1 5th, 1 Ret)
Constructor's championship
1. Ferrari - 22
2. Alfa Romeo - 17
3. Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 8th)
4. Gordini - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 10th)
5. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 8
6. Ferrari-Jaguar - 3
7. Maserati - 2
Entrant's championship
1. Ecurie Nationale Belge - 16 (2 2nds)
2. Alfa Romeo SpA - 16 (2 3rds)
3. Scuderia Ferrari - 14
4. Ferrari America - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 8th)
5. Alexander Racing Team - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 10th)
6. Motorsport Bleu - 8
7. Scuderia Maremmana - 3
8. Redman Racing Team - 2
Entry spots allowed for the next races
Motorsport Bleu - 14
Scuderia Maremmana - 13
Scuderia Ferrari - 12
Alfa Romeo SpA - 12
Alexander Racing Team - 11
Redman Racing Team - 11
Ecurie Nationale Belge (Scuderia Belgio, Equipe de France, Garage Francorchamps) - 10
Claes Racing Developments - 9
Scuderia Platé-Varzi - 9
Team Metcalf GP - 9
Phoenix Racing Organisation - 8
Ferrari America - 8
Scuderia Commesso - 8
Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing - 6
Ecurie Albertini - 5
Graham Whitehead - 5
Hampshire Racing Alliance - 4
Scuderia Ambrosiana - 4
Aldo Gordini - 4
Louis Gérard - 4
Eventual new teams - 4
Injury report coming very soon.
July 1st 1951, French Grand Prix
De Graffenried had a very good start and still led at the end of lap 1 without putting a foot wrong. Manzon also got a very good start, even better than de Graffenried, and duly took second place, with Whitehead now third ahead of Bettenhausen and Fangio. Another driver who made the perfect start was André Simon, who was still 14th, but was very threatening. Bettenhausen then passed Whitehead for third position, leaving the Englishman squabbling over fourth with Fangio, with Farina and Rol a short way back. Fangio then launched an attack to move up to third place, while Manzon dropped back, as Bettenhausen was the only one who managed to respond quickly enough, keeping his second place. Manzon also dropped behind Whitehead, down to fifth and fighting with Farina, who had let Rol behind him after a very quick lap.
Bettenhausen then set about catching de Graffenried, who was already in a commanding lead, tracking him down in just one lap, finishing lap 4 just behind the Swiss, with Whitehead and Fangio side by side around half a second behind, with Manzon one second behind then, closely followed by Farina, the others being already left behind the top six. However, despite Bettenhausen's best attempts, de Graffenried kept the lead, actually extending the gap, while the gaps separating the rest of the top six just got smaller and smaller.
Instead, it was Whitehead who bridged the gap between Toulo and the chasing pack, followed equally closely by Manzon, then Bettenhausen and Farina, with Fangio having fallen back somewhat. De Graffenried wasn't about to let his lead slip away. He wants his first win badly. Bettenhausen, meanwhile, was falling behind and getting caught by Johnny Claes, having a good race for a change. Dorino Serafini was the first man to retire on lap 7, when his car gave up the ghost in the village of Gueux. He was fighting for 11th with Maurice Trintignant at the time of his retirement.
The Ferraris then inexplicably slowed, leaving a golden opportunity for the other drivers. Farina took advantage of this, setting the fastest lap of the race and also taking the race lead in the process, therefore leading after a fifth of the race. De Graffenried kept second place, with Whitehead and Manzon side by side for third place. Fangio was just behind in fifth, rounding out the points. A bit further behind was Johnny Claes, sensing the opportunity for some attrition-aided points, with Bettenhausen just behind him, having just been passed. Trintignant, who had been setting some extremely quick laps, Gonzalez and Simon closed off the top ten.
Farina then set about improving his lead, this being a relatively easy task, with de Graffenried, Fangio, Manzon and Whitehead all fighting hard over second place. On lap 14, Toulo decided that he had had enough and started to hunt down Farina, who had a lead of several seconds already. He was followed by Manzon, trying to hang on to a potential podium finish. Bettenhausen also retired from the race, after a promising start to the race then saw him lose place after place and end up seventh. Maybe he was trying too hard to make up some places, all we can tell is that the car gave up on him.
Whitehead was now falling behind and on the verge of being passed by Trintignant and Claes. Fangio was also catching up, now around a second behind Manzon. On the next lap, Fangio had fallen behind, while Whitehead escaped from Trintignant and Claes, both getting closer to each other. However, for Fangio, this was only temporary, and he took third from Manzon, taking advantage of a mistake by the Frenchman on lap 18. Fangio was on fire at this point, and was now chasing down de Graffenried. The Swiss responded by setting his personal fastest lap, getting closer and closer to Farina in the process.
However, the leading two would only be able to stay on the pace for so long, and both started to slow down, while Fangio was still very strong. Manzon also managed to keep a reasonable distance between Fangio and himself, also leaving Whitehead in his wake. The Englishman was having trouble staying on the pace, and Trintignant and Claes were getting closer and closer. André Simon then retired from the race. After a good start that saw him into the top ten for a short time, he was in twelfth when his car stopped by the side of the road.
At the halfway point, Farina still led, but de Graffenried was now closer than ever. Fangio would have been right there with them, but made a mistake on lap 25 and was a bit further behind. Manzon was still a solid fourth, with Whitehead in fifth position. Trintignant was sixth and getting closer to Whitehead, with Claes just a bit further behind the Frenchman. Stirling Moss, Franco Rol and B. Bira round out the top ten. Gonzalez, Pilette, Chiron, Grignard, von Brauchitsch, Villoresi, Chaboud, Giraud-Cabantous, Ascari and Taruffi make up the positions 11-20. The order is finished by, in that order, Landi, Biondetti, Bracco and Gérard. But where is Hampshire, you ask? On the side of the road at Thillois, his engine on fire. He was in a glorious...erm...second-last.
De Graffenried retook the lead on lap 27, but Farina wasn't going to let go. Indeed, he took the lead again on the next lap after outbraking Toulo at Thillois. Manzon was falling off the pace at this point, Whitehead was now breathing down his neck, and he eventually passed him on lap 29. However, after Fagioli's fatal accident at Spa two weeks ago, no one wished for what happened next.
Franco Rol was running a decent race in ninth position when he inexplicably span off at la Garenne. The rear end of the car impacted the ditch on the side of the track at full speed. The car was sent cartwheeling across the fields, catching fire in mid-air and throwing Franco out, landing about 100m away from the track. Franco was taken to the hospital, but it doesn't look good at all.
But the race went on, and Manzon took fourth again from Whitehead, but the battle between the two allowed Trintignant to join in the fun. Moss, who was 8th at that point, also retired from the race. His gearbox was having trouble, and he came into the pits for his mechanics to take a look, but to no avail, and he was forced to retire. Fangio was now having difficulties and getting cought by Manzon, Whitehead and Trintignant.
Trintignant finally passed Whitehead on lap 32, while Manzon passed Fangio to take third place. On the next lap, de Graffenried took advantage of a mistake by Farina to retake the lead. On lap 35, Farina took the lead again, while Fangio moved back into third place, but not by overtaking Manzon. The Frenchman's Gordini lay by the side of the road with a ruptured oil line. Race over.
Fangio's third place was quickly under threat from Trintignant, and both were side by side starting lap 37, while at the very front, Farina and de Graffenried were in the same position. De Graffenried won the battle, but the war was by no means won. It looked that way in the battle for third however, as Trintignant managed to overtake Fangio, and looks like he's got the pace to steal third. Meanwhile, Claes and Whitehead were scrabbling over the last points place, with Whitehead still ahead by a few seconds.
Piero Taruffi then retired from the race with an as-of-yet unidentified mechanical failure. The Metcalf was running in 16th place. At this point, de Graffenried was pulling away and had pretty much won the race, while Farina was running the risk of getting caught and passed by Trintignant.
On lap 42, Giovanni Bracco also retired, when he span at Gueux. He span straight through the straw bales, where, luckily, the spectators managed to get out of harm's way, and stalled the engine, ending his race. Also, Claes finally passed Whitehead to move into the points, sensing the revenge for Monaco, where he was caught out at the last minute. However, Whitehead wasn't over yet, and when Claes span at Thillois, Peter passed him again.
In front of them, Trintignant caught Farina on lap 45, and they crossed the line side by side. At this point, Fangio is also running the risk of being passed by Whitehead and Claes. Claes, meanwhile, was getting closer and closer to Whitehead, but was running out of time to make a pass for fifth. Trintignant and Farina were still in epic battle, side by side every time they crossed the line. wo top drivers in similar cars are making for a great show.
The show ended when Farina made a mistake at la Garenne, allowing Trintignant to pull away into a safe second place. Claes was unable to get close enough to Whitehead to score points, while Whitehead came close to passing Fangio for fourth position, but failed.
1. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) 2:16:32.4
2. Maurice Trintignant (Alfa Romeo) +2:25.7
3. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
4. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +2 laps
5. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +2 laps
6. Johnny Claes (Maserati) +2 laps
7. André Pilette (Bugatti) +3 laps
8. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix-Ferrari) +3 laps
9. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) +3 laps
10. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Gordini) +4 laps
11. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +4 laps
12. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari) +4 laps
13. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) +4 laps
14. Eugène Chaboud (Alfa Romeo) +4 laps
15. Chico Landi (Maserati) +5 laps
16. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) +5 laps
17. Georges Grignard (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +5 laps
18. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) +5 laps
19. Louis Gérard (Delage) +8 laps
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +16 laps/Spin
Ret. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) +18 laps/Driveshaft
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +19 laps/Oil line
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +25 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Franco Rol (Maserati) +26 laps/Accident
Ret. David Hampshire (Alta) +30 laps/Engine
Ret. André Simon (Maserati) +32 laps/Engine
Ret. Tony Bettenhausen (Gordini) +40 laps/Overheating
Ret. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +46 laps/Transmission
Fastest lap: Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) 2:26.7
Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. Giuseppe Farina - 10
2. Robert Manzon - 9 (1 win, 2 Rets)
3. Troy Ruttman - 9 (1 win)
4. Toulo de Graffenried - 8 (1 win, 1 10th)
5. B. Bira - 8 (1 win, 1 11th)
6. André Pilette - 6 (1 2nd, 1 7th)
7. Consalvo Sanesi - 6 (1 2nd, 1 10th)
8. Maurice Trintignant - 6 (1 2nd, 1 Ret)
9. Jimmy Jackson - 6 (1 2nd)
10. Dorino Serafini - 4 (1 3rd, 1 6th)
11. Bill Vukovich - 4 (1 3rd)
12. Manfred von Brauchitsch - 3 (1 4th, 1 13th)
13. Juan Manuel Fangio - 3 (1 4th, 2 Rets)
14. Paul Pietsch - 3 (1 4th)
=. Myron Fohr - 3 (1 4th)
16. Peter Whitehead - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
17. Charles Van Acker - 2 (1 5th, 1 8th)
18. Franco Rol - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
19. Reg Parnell - 2 (1 5th, 1 Ret)
Constructor's championship
1. Ferrari - 22
2. Alfa Romeo - 17
3. Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 8th)
4. Gordini - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 10th)
5. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 8
6. Ferrari-Jaguar - 3
7. Maserati - 2
Entrant's championship
1. Ecurie Nationale Belge - 16 (2 2nds)
2. Alfa Romeo SpA - 16 (2 3rds)
3. Scuderia Ferrari - 14
4. Ferrari America - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 8th)
5. Alexander Racing Team - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 10th)
6. Motorsport Bleu - 8
7. Scuderia Maremmana - 3
8. Redman Racing Team - 2
Entry spots allowed for the next races
Motorsport Bleu - 14
Scuderia Maremmana - 13
Scuderia Ferrari - 12
Alfa Romeo SpA - 12
Alexander Racing Team - 11
Redman Racing Team - 11
Ecurie Nationale Belge (Scuderia Belgio, Equipe de France, Garage Francorchamps) - 10
Claes Racing Developments - 9
Scuderia Platé-Varzi - 9
Team Metcalf GP - 9
Phoenix Racing Organisation - 8
Ferrari America - 8
Scuderia Commesso - 8
Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing - 6
Ecurie Albertini - 5
Graham Whitehead - 5
Hampshire Racing Alliance - 4
Scuderia Ambrosiana - 4
Aldo Gordini - 4
Louis Gérard - 4
Eventual new teams - 4
Injury report coming very soon.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Rol in 'critical but stable condition'
Following a serious accident at Reims-Gueux on Sunday, Italian driver Franco Rol was transported to the hospital at Reims with serious injuries. Doctors report that Rol is alive, but still unconscious and in a critical but stable condition. His injuries are rumoured to include a badly broken left leg and right arm, a fractured skull, three cracked ribs and third degree burns to his hands.
Franco is not yet out of harm's way, but doctors are optimistic about his chances of survival. However, full recovery is uncertain, and his career is potentially over after this accident.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
After the Jaguar/Aston deal has ended, Paul Frère remained in the UK to find a drive, and found this with British Racing Motors, entering the revolutionary BRM V16
Also edited the rest of my entries on page 1, as i think it is time to give to Roger Laurent, Charles De Tornaco and dutchman Jan Flinterman a chance (they all debuted in 1952). As it's not realistic to let the regular Belgiums run every race, as they're still more or less pay-drivers.
Also edited the rest of my entries on page 1, as i think it is time to give to Roger Laurent, Charles De Tornaco and dutchman Jan Flinterman a chance (they all debuted in 1952). As it's not realistic to let the regular Belgiums run every race, as they're still more or less pay-drivers.
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Are there any good drivers that we can put alongside Trintignant for Britain?
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Because I have gained more entries can I keep Chiron for the rest of the season. (And if possible put Dries Van der Lof in a car for the Dutch GP)
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Make that Pilette instead of Frère, that makes more sense, as he's having a very good season. If he can do it with a Bugatti, he must be able to repeat the trick with a BRM, wouldn't he?
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Villoresi taking a solid 12th following a good qualifying is good news for Ferrari America. Whilst certainly not close to the points we want to achieve, this has allowed us to enter more cars for the coming races and means Villoresi keeps his drive for now. Harry Schell can finally drive for the team as the "America" in Ferrari America. Whilst a 3rd car will be entered for Silverstone at the request of our friends at Ferrari.
For Silverstone I would like to reserve three spaces.
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If Ferrari do not request/send a driver then the 3rd car will be withdrawn.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Wizzie wrote:Are there any good drivers that we can put alongside Trintignant for Britain?
I haven't got my spreadsheet, so I'm not completely sure, but I can recommend Mauri Rose, or maybe Consalvo Sanesi if he's left out by the team for Britain.
eurobrun wrote:Because I have gained more entries can I keep Chiron for the rest of the season. (And if possible put Dries Van der Lof in a car for the Dutch GP)
As I see it, you can, as Chiron doesn't have a drive for the rest of the year, and neither does van der Lof.
Shadaza wrote:Villoresi taking a solid 12th following a good qualifying is good news for Ferrari America. Whilst certainly not close to the points we want to achieve, this has allowed us to enter more cars for the coming races and means Villoresi keeps his drive for now. Harry Schell can finally drive for the team as the "America" in Ferrari America. Whilst a 3rd car will be entered for Silverstone at the request of our friends at Ferrari.
For Silverstone I would like to reserve three spaces.
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Harry Schell
3.Peter Whitehead/Reg Parnell (As agreed at the start of the season)
If Ferrari do not request/send a driver then the 3rd car will be withdrawn.
Your entries are good for Silverstone, and I presume that means that Villoresi is signed for the whole season?
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Mauri Rose it is in the second Jaguar-powered Aston Martin. If both guys qualify and do remotely well, how many more entries does that give us?
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Wizzie wrote:Mauri Rose it is in the second Jaguar-powered Aston Martin. If both guys qualify and do remotely well, how many more entries does that give us?
That really depends on whether you finish or not. Were you to move up into the second third of the table, you would have 7 for the last three races. A top ten would be an ideal finish.
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tommykl wrote:Wizzie wrote:Mauri Rose it is in the second Jaguar-powered Aston Martin. If both guys qualify and do remotely well, how many more entries does that give us?
That really depends on whether you finish or not. Were you to move up into the second third of the table, you would have 7 for the last three races. A top ten would be an ideal finish.
Ok. Right now, I'll put Trintignant in the car for all of the last races for the year before signing him alongside Gonzales from Phoenix for next year. Unless Mr McClean has other plans.
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Wizzie wrote:tommykl wrote:Wizzie wrote:Mauri Rose it is in the second Jaguar-powered Aston Martin. If both guys qualify and do remotely well, how many more entries does that give us?
That really depends on whether you finish or not. Were you to move up into the second third of the table, you would have 7 for the last three races. A top ten would be an ideal finish.
Ok. Right now, I'll put Trintignant in the car for all of the last races for the year before signing him alongside Gonzales from Phoenix for next year. Unless Mr McClean has other plans.
That's not possible, as Trintignant is already driving for ENB for the rest of the season...
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tommykl wrote:Wizzie wrote:tommykl wrote:That really depends on whether you finish or not. Were you to move up into the second third of the table, you would have 7 for the last three races. A top ten would be an ideal finish.
Ok. Right now, I'll put Trintignant in the car for all of the last races for the year before signing him alongside Gonzales from Phoenix for next year. Unless Mr McClean has other plans.
That's not possible, as Trintignant is already driving for ENB for the rest of the season...
Ah, ok. What about Mauri Rose?
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I may be thinking of dropping Yves Giraud-Cabantous for the rest of the season as our entries are getting smaller thanks to awful reliability so he might become available for any team. But I'll decide this once the next race is nearer.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
I'm fine with any driver as long as he can qualify it and finish the race!
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David Hampshire wrote:Cock. The engine overheated and decided to set itself alight, of course ending my race prematurely. Not only has this cost me a rather nasty sum of money, it now also means I cannot enter my friend Peter Walker into the Silverstone race, as I have limited entries for the remaining races. I hear that there's this company from London, by the name of Cooper, who are starting to supply cars for lower formulaes. I must pay them a visit and see what I can negotiate for next year.
That is, assuming this series follows history and runs under F2 regulations in 1952/1953.

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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
Ferrari America welcome Reg Panell to the team and hope his experience of both the circuit and car will help push our team forward.
tommykl wrote:Your entries are good for Silverstone, and I presume that means that Villoresi is signed for the whole season?
Not quite, Harry Schell alone will drive at Zandvort.
Both Villoresi and Schell will drive at the Nurburgring. Whilst the final round at Monza will be Villoresi and Indy 500 winner Troy Ruttman.
Ferrari America entry list:
Britain:
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Harry Schell
3.Reg Parnell
Netherlands
1.Harry Schell
Germany
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Harry Schell
Italy
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Troy Ruttman
Also for future plans I would like to know if F1 will be scaled down to F2 regs or not from 1952.
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Wizzie wrote:tommykl wrote:Wizzie wrote:Ok. Right now, I'll put Trintignant in the car for all of the last races for the year before signing him alongside Gonzales from Phoenix for next year. Unless Mr McClean has other plans.
That's not possible, as Trintignant is already driving for ENB for the rest of the season...
Ah, ok. What about Mauri Rose?
No problems for him. Alfa have a contract zith him, but I think it's for Indy only.
East Londoner wrote:David Hampshire wrote:Cock. The engine overheated and decided to set itself alight, of course ending my race prematurely. Not only has this cost me a rather nasty sum of money, it now also means I cannot enter my friend Peter Walker into the Silverstone race, as I have limited entries for the remaining races. I hear that there's this company from London, by the name of Cooper, who are starting to supply cars for lower formulaes. I must pay them a visit and see what I can negotiate for next year.
That is, assuming this series follows history and runs under F2 regulations in 1952/1953.
So that's the Le Mans winner out of a drive, then...
Shadaza wrote:Ferrari America welcome Reg Panell to the team and hope his experience of both the circuit and car will help push our team forward.tommykl wrote:Your entries are good for Silverstone, and I presume that means that Villoresi is signed for the whole season?
Not quite, Harry Schell alone will drive at Zandvort.
Both Villoresi and Schell will drive at the Nurburgring. Whilst the final round at Monza will be Villoresi and Indy 500 winner Troy Ruttman.
Ferrari America entry list:
Britain:
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Harry Schell
3.Reg Parnell
Netherlands
1.Harry Schell
Germany
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Harry Schell
Italy
1.Luigi Villoresi
2.Troy Ruttman
Also for future plans I would like to know if F1 will be scaled down to F2 regs or not from 1952.
Got it.
As for the Formula 2 regs, the FIA originally switched to those rules before of dwindling entry lists. This isn't a problem right now, so there won't be any switching of the rules. However, to please any constructors who would have liked to enter under F2 regulations, the technical regulations will make sure that there will be a more equal chance. The Formula 1 cars' engine capacity will be reduced, with more advantages given to F2 teams to make for a hopefully level playing field.\
Translation: I haven't found a way of having a change of regulations have any sort of impact. If you have any suggestions, I might change my mind.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season
If Wizzie takes González from me, I sign Mike Hawthorn then.