David Hampshire wrote:Actually, I've had a rethink. My mate Peter has just won the 24 Heures du Mans. I think he deserves to have a crack at an F1 race. So, he will be the sole entry for Hampshire Racing Alliance for the Great Britain race, and I shall cheer him on from the sidelines. The returning hero can perform in front of his loyal crowd.
So yeah, Peter Walker will replace David Hampshire for the British Grand Prix.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
David Hampshire wrote:Actually, I've had a rethink. My mate Peter has just won the 24 Heures du Mans. I think he deserves to have a crack at an F1 race. So, he will be the sole entry for Hampshire Racing Alliance for the Great Britain race, and I shall cheer him on from the sidelines. The returning hero can perform in front of his loyal crowd.
So yeah, Peter Walker will replace David Hampshire for the British Grand Prix.
Oh, Hampshire can race in the BRM instead if you want to. I was assuming none of the British Ferrari drivers were available. However, as Hampshire is very loyal to the british crown - and has some experience - he'll be able to handle the extremely powerful V16 And after all, Pilette is not that British, and was mainly chosen for his good performances. BRM are British, but only want a top-driver, as they are here to win the race. However, BRM consideres Hampshire (or Walker) as top-drivers!
Simon Redman wrote:At this stage it looks like Franco will survive after his big crash at Reims. It isn't clear whether or not he will be able to keep racing, and although of course we hope he will race again, we aren't holding our breaths that he will be able to.
Simon Redman later on wrote:As for the car, it is wrecked. There is no way that we can race at Britain, because we just won't be able to get a new car ready for Britain, and we won't be able to make it for Germany either, so we've got Louis Rosier replacing Franco at Holland and Italy. We aren't sure on the car yet, though. We'll sort that out by Germany.
So, you can scratch our entries for Britain and Germany, and get Louis Rosier in a car for us at Holland and Italy, if possible, thanks. If all goes to hell then we'll just run our spare Maserati from last year, but we were planning on running our 1952 car in those races, whatever that is.
David Hampshire wrote:Actually, I've had a rethink. My mate Peter has just won the 24 Heures du Mans. I think he deserves to have a crack at an F1 race. So, he will be the sole entry for Hampshire Racing Alliance for the Great Britain race, and I shall cheer him on from the sidelines. The returning hero can perform in front of his loyal crowd.
So yeah, Peter Walker will replace David Hampshire for the British Grand Prix.
No problem.
Wizzie wrote:Mauri Rose has been signed by Aston-Jaguar for the rest of the year.
Again, that's fine, but in Italy, I've marked him red, as he goes over the maximum 40 entries for the race. Don't worry too much though, other teams will have to cut back anyway, so he should be good.
simonracer wrote:
Simon Redman wrote:At this stage it looks like Franco will survive after his big crash at Reims. It isn't clear whether or not he will be able to keep racing, and although of course we hope he will race again, we aren't holding our breaths that he will be able to.
Simon Redman later on wrote:As for the car, it is wrecked. There is no way that we can race at Britain, because we just won't be able to get a new car ready for Britain, and we won't be able to make it for Germany either, so we've got Louis Rosier replacing Franco at Holland and Italy. We aren't sure on the car yet, though. We'll sort that out by Germany.
So, you can scratch our entries for Britain and Germany, and get Louis Rosier in a car for us at Holland and Italy, if possible, thanks. If all goes to hell then we'll just run our spare Maserati from last year, but we were planning on running our 1952 car in those races, whatever that is.
As you say. Rosier is accepted, and while Franco will survive, he will be out of action for a year at the very least, likely two or three.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Simon Redman wrote:We've decided on running the old 4CLT at Holland and Italy. We talked to Maserati about running the new A6GCM, but they won't be able to get it ready in time, so we've decided that we'll just run it next year. We also talked to our American offshoot, the Robert William Racing Team, about getting a Offenhauser engine from them to run in the last two races, but we decided to stay with the tried-and-trusted 4CLT with its standard 1.5 litre engine.
So, the British Grand Prix entry list is now closed for new entries. There are a couple of issues though:
-SuperAguri needs to announce his second privateer. FantometteBR also needs to confirm SPV's second driver.
-The following teams are over their average for entries: JAMR, ART and Ferrari America.
JAMR and Ferrari America have confirmde that they would be using their extra entries at this race and/or would be dropping entries in the following races, so no changes are necessary, but AdrianSutil needs to say which driver(s) he'll drop for the race.
-This, is BRM a part of ENB or a separate entry altogether?
-East Londoner, will Hampshire drive for BRM or not?
Since this is a weekend that is exceptional for the amount of one-offs, I'll just post the chassis-engine combinations as I see them. If I made a mistake, just tell me and I'll fix it.
Scuderia Maremmana - Ferrari-Jaguar Geoff Richardson - RRA-ERA Phoenix Racing Organisation - Phoenix-Ferrari Hampshire Racing Alliance - Alta Scuderia Platé-Varzi - Maserati Scuderia Ferrari - Ferrari JAMR - Aston Martin-Jaguar Ferrari America - Ferrari Alexander Racing Team - Gordini Team Metcalf GP - Metcalf Claes Racing Developments - Maserati Alfa Romeo SpA - Alfa Romeo Mike Hawthorn - Alfa Romeo Tony Gaze - Alfa Romeo Scuderia Commesso - Maserati-Ferrari Motorsport Bleu - Talbot-Lago-Talbot All-Ireland Motorsport - Reatherson-Maserati British Racing Motors - BRM
You have until Thursday August 2nd at 12:00 GMT+1 to confirm whatever it is you need to confirm.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Especially when they're from two different countries...
nah, ENB runs Equipe De France too. But realistically, it would be too much for a team to run works BRM's, Bugatti's and Alfa Romeo's at the same time. The reason ENB is not participating is because 'overseas travel is very costly, and only the Indy 500 would justify that + the lack of spare parts for the Alfa's Or basically, ENB has been spending money they didn't have to begin with. That's why all the unexperienced pay-drivers in the next races.
After the French Grand Prix at Reims-Gueux, Giuseppe Farina led the championship despite not having won a race this season, simply by virtue of his two consecutive fastest laps. He is also the only driver to have scored twice this season, showing the unpredictability involved this year. He'll be looking to improve on his championship lead at Silverstone, but with the three drivers to have won a European round (Manzon, Bira and de Graffenried) also in the race, he may have a tough time doing so.
1. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana) 2. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana) 3. Tony Rolt (Scuderia Maremmana) 4. Geoff Richardson (Privateer) 5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation) 6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation) 7. Peter Walker (Hampshire Racing Alliance) 8. Brian Shawe-Taylor (Scuderia Platé-Varzi) 9. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari) 10. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari) 11. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari) 12. Maurice Trintignant (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing) 14. Reg Parnell (Ferrari America) 15. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team) 16. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team) 17. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Alexander Racing Team) 18. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team) 19. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP) 20. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments) 21. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments) 22. Harry Schell (Ferrari America) 23. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA) 24. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA) 25. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA) 26. Mike Hawthorn (Privateer) 27. Tony Gaze (Privateer) 28. Chico Landi (Scuderia Commesso) 29. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu) 30. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport) 31. David Hampshire (British Racing Motors) 32. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso) 33. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari America) 34. Mauri Rose (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
Most of the grid is similar to the past few races, except for a few exceptions, the main ones being Consalvo Sanesi, who is back in the Gordini for the team's home race, and Peter Whitehead, whose points finish at Reims convinced the big man himself to keep him on the official Ferrari team for his home race, while his compatriot Parnell was loaned to Ferrari America.
Ferrari America will themselves expand to a three-car lineup for this race, with Harry Schell making his return to Formula 1 after driving a couple of races last season for AAR.
This weekend will also see a few one-offs having a shot, namely Tony Rolt for Scuderia Maremmana, Peter Walker for Hampshire Racing Alliance and Brian Shawe-Taylor for Scuderia Platé-Varzi. JAMR are also back to the grid, this time with just two drivers in order to comply with the entry cap: Maurice Trintignant, who is loaned by ENB, not taking part in this race citing the cost of travel as reason, and Indy 500 winner and second at Silverstone last year Mauri Rose, who will stay with the team until the end of the year.
We also see the arrival of two new teams: British Racing Motors, with David Hampshire accepting to drive for them after laeving his own car to Peter Walker, and All-Ireland Motorsport, with a revolutionary design for Joe Kelly. It remains to be seen whether the car has any sort of speed. Also, two privateers, who made their way to Indianapolis earlier this year without much success, will make their European début in customer Alfa Romeos: Mike Hawthorn, a 22-year-old who has won many local handicap races at Goodwood and Dundrod, and 31-year-old Australian Tony Gaze, founder of the Goodwood circuit.
This time, qualifying will be done at once, but instead of describing each lap, I'll give a ranking of each driver according to their performance relative to their expected times (ie. the best in these rankings won't necessarily be the pole sitter). Of course, I'll also show all the times, which are even more important here, because 11 drivers will watch the race from the grandstands, as there are only 22 spots on the grid.
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kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
So basically, this shows how lucky every driver was with the dice, which translates to how much the drivers are punching above their car's weight. Every driver starts at 100. The lower their score, the better their performance. Remember, this is before the added performance points for driver, chassis, engine and entrant. every driver gets ten rolls with results ranging from -5 to +5.
1. Geoff Richardson - 79 2. Tony Gaze - 85 3. Piero Taruffi - 86 4. Maurice Trintignant - 92 5. Harry Schell - 93 6. Luigi Villoresi - 93 7. Dorino Serafini - 96 8. Alberto Ascari - 97 9. Stirling Moss - 98 10. André Simon - 99 11. Clemente Biondetti - 99 12. Yves Giraud-Cabantous - 99 13. Consalvo Sanesi - 100 14. Mike Hawthorn - 100 15. Chico Landi - 100 16. Joe Kelly - 100 17. José Froilan Gonzalez - 101 18. Johnny Claes - 102 19. David Hampshire - 102 20. Peter Whitehead - 103 21. Robert Manzon - 103 22. Louis Chiron - 103 23. Tony Rolt - 104 24. B. Bira - 104 25. Reg Parnell - 105 26. Juan Manuel Fangio - 105 27. Mauri Rose - 105 28. Manfred von Brauchitsch - 106 29. Toulo de Graffenried - 106 30. Peter Walker - 107 31. Tony Bettenhausen - 108 32. Brian Shawe-Taylor - 109 33. Giuseppe Farina - 109
While I figure out actual lap times, feel free to predict on the actual grid
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
The circuit is less than 5km long, and the grid sizes vary according to the length of the circuit to make sure that I can get the races done in an acceptable amount of time, since there will be more laps (87 in fact).
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Okay, now this is ridiculous. I haven't started to run the race yet, but I've determined who would retire, and in fact, due to a very odd streak by Random.org, only four cars will finish the race. Yes. Four.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Brian Johnson wrote:This performance was bloody good today. I'm very pleased with his performance. Maurice will be glad to know he's been given a two-year contract extension... And we're currently focusing on our chassis for next year...
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tommykl wrote:Okay, now this is ridiculous. I haven't started to run the race yet, but I've determined who would retire, and in fact, due to a very odd streak by Random.org, only four cars will finish the race. Yes. Four.
What?! Well as long as one of them is a Gordini I'll be happy.
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Ferrari America wrote:We hail our best ever formula one session with not just one car competitive but two, with Schell doing an excellent job in his first attempt with that car. Parnell did struggle a little but he made the race and anything can happen from now.
It seems there is very little between Villoresi and Schell!
tommykl wrote:Okay, now this is ridiculous. I haven't started to run the race yet, but I've determined who would retire, and in fact, due to a very odd streak by Random.org, only four cars will finish the race. Yes. Four.
What?! Well as long as one of them is a Gordini I'll be happy.
I'm currently determining in which laps drivers will retire, so you may get lucky if you retire late enough to be classified
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
This wrote:What, the powerful BRM V16 ending up last? Sabotage!
It's simple really. First time that the entrant, chassis and engine had entered = 0 performance points for all of them. Only Hampshire gave a measly 2 points to the combo, while those at the very top (Farina, Serafini, de Graffenried and Fangio) have 36
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
This wrote:What, the powerful BRM V16 ending up last? Sabotage!
It's simple really. First time that the entrant, chassis and engine had entered = 0 performance points for all of them. Only Hampshire gave a measly 2 points to the combo, while those at the very top (Farina, Serafini, de Graffenried and Fangio) have 36
then your system doesn't work, V16!!! you read that well, V16! (i know your system works, but as BRM were over-optimistic and failed to deliver big time in reality, i do the same here, with a bit of big talking)
Yes, this will be a two-part review. The first 45 laps will be in this post, with full standings at the halfway point. The second part of the race will be run later.
It's the fifth race of the season, and the championship could go in every possible way. Dorino Serafini is the first driver to score two pole positions this year, but so far, with only four points on the board, he isn't an immediate challenger. Championship leader Farina, however, is down in a dismal 18th position and has his work cut out for him, especially with Consalvo Sanesi starting third and possibly in the hunt for a second podium.
It's very hot at Silverstone today, and the teams are worried about the high temperatures, and most of them have made clear that they will cool the car down in any possible way. With shared drives prohibited, driver exhaustion would also be a factor, so expect some retirements due to driver fatigue.
At the start, everyone got away cleanly, but at Stowe, André Simon lost control of his Maserati, spinning in the center of the track. Not everyone was able to avoid him, and Bira and Parnell both attempted to use the outside line to pass the scene, but Bira was tagged by Simon, and in turn tapped the front wheel of Parnell's Ferrari. Race over for all three, big names in the Formula One paddock.
The race continued, however, and at the end of lap 1, the order was the same at the front, with Serafini ahead of Taruffi, Sanesi, Schell and Giraud-Cabantous. This didn't last long, as Serafini made a small mistake on lap 2. Since everyone was still bunched together, he dropped to third behind Taruffi and Sanesi. Schell was still fourth, while Giraud-Cabantous was passed by Villoresi for fifth place. But this is F1 Rejects, and you all want to know who's in last, don't you? Well, it's still Moss and Ascari battling, slightly ahead of von Brauchitsch, who is struggling in the intense heat.
Everyone was fighting hard up and down the field, but Taruffi was surprising everyone by pulling out a lead of five seconds in the Metcalf of all cars! Sanesi, who had hung on for the first four laps, was now beginning to fall back in the clutches of the pack. On lap 5, we had the fourth retirement of the race, with the engine in de Graffenried's Ferrari calling it quits. He was fighting for 11th place at the time.
Sanesi was quickly back on the pace, however, and within two laps, he was back behing Taruffi, with Villoresi now leading the chasing pack. Taruffi wasn't going to let that happen, and he pulled out the fastest lap of the race at that point to pull out a lead even bigger than before! Manfred von Brauchitsch retired from the race on lap 9, looking exhausted returning to the pits for the final time. The race was quickly down to 16 remaining cars, after Luigi Villoresi retired from third place on the following lap.
After 10 laps, Taruffi led Sanesi by 15 seconds, with Giraud-Cabantous, who had inherited third place, already 23 seconds back. Schell and Serafini round out the points.
But despite the staggering progress made by Metcalf these past races, everyone knew this lead wouldn't last, and slowly but surely, Sanesi started to make up the gap. Lap 12 saw yet another retirement, this time the Maserati engine of Johnny Claes deciding that enough was enough. He was in ninth place at the time.
At that point, Serafini was much closer, and he was within 6 seconds of Taruffi after lap 14. Taruffi tried to expand the gap again, but only managed to make a mistake and let Sanesi get closer, now within 3.5 seconds. On the same lap, it was Harry Schell who retired spectacularly, his Ferrari engine going up in flames at Club Corner, leaving Serafini alone in fourth place behing Taruffi, Sanesi and Giraud-Cabantous.
On lap 17, Taruffi made another mistake, and his lead vanished in one moment, Sanesi took the lead, and Taruffi was now under threat from Giraud-Cabantous. Serafini was still fourth, with Peter Whitehead now fifth. Sanesi set about increasing his lead, but Taruffi wasn't just going to let go, and he increased his pace, not enough to stay behind Sanesi, but enough to get himself out of harm's way from behind. But he made a mistake and was soon under attack from Yves.
On lap 20, Sanesi was leading with a 17 second gap back to Taruffi and 21 seconds over Giraud-Cabantous. Farina was 34 seconds behind and Peter Whitehead 52 seconds behind. A driver who was impressing once more was Giuseppe Farina, now increasingly close to the points after starting 18th. He was fighting over fifth place with Whitehead, Robert Manzon and, to a lesser extent, Fangio. This quickly turned into a battle for fourth, as Dorino Serafini became the third front-running driver to retire, after yet another Ferrari engine failure.
The battle for fourth was won by Manzon, who started to catch up to his team mate Giraud-Cabantous, with Farina just a bit further behind and being chased by his team mate Fangio. The Argentine was soon all over the rear of his World Champion team mate, and the battle began, with the two being joined by Whitehead on the next lap.
On lap 27, we saw yet another retirement, that of Tony Gaze, heartbreaking for the Australian, sniffing a good finish thanks to attrition. He was tenth at that point. The next big change in the order came on the exact same lap, when Taruffi span on oil, keeping the car going, but he was passed by G-C, which makes for a Gordini 1-2-4 at the moment, although Manzon was now running the risk of being passed by the likes of Fangio, Farina or Whitehead. It was indeed Fangio who got by first, taking fourth place on lap 30. At the same time, the race was now down to 11 drivers after the retirement of Clemente Biondetti, the 52-year-old Italian calling it quits due to fatigue, ending a weekend to forget for Scuderia Maremmana. He was ninth at the time.
On the next lap, Farina also made his way past Manzon, who therefore dropped out of the points, leaving a Gordini 1-2 and an Alfa 4-5 with Taruffi third in the Metcalf. This third became second once again on lap 32, when YG-C made a mistake of his own. But the Frenchman wasn't going to let go without a fight, and passed the Italian on the next lap, only to be passed on the lap after that! Fangio took advantage of this to set the fastest lap of the race and get closer and closer to the fight for second place.
This theory was quickly disproven as YG-C promptly scored a new fastest lap and duly took second place and a decent gap at that. Fangio was even caught and passed by Farina! But the surprises kept on coming: Stirling Moss then set the fastest lap on lap 37, Chiron passed Whitehead, Farina passed both Taruffi and G-C for second place and finally, Fangio retired from the race with a gearbox torn to shreds, leaving just ten cars in the race.
Eventually, the scrap between Taruffi, Farina and Giraud-Cabantous ended up with victory for Taruffi, with Farina falling far, far back. But Taruffi and the Frenchman weren't over yet, and the two continued their fight. Louis Chiron also retired from the race, the third driver to do so due to physical exhaustion. He was fighting for sixth place with Peter Whitehead. But the surprises kept coming, and from the most unusual of places, as Alberto Ascari took the new fastest lap of the race in his Phoenix!
He immediately lost his fastest lap, as the Gordinis were now at their performance peak, with Sanesi and Manzon setting a shared fastest lap. However, Sanesi was slowing down, and G-C and Taruffi were catching him at a rate of knots. Eventually, the inevitable happened and Yves Giraud-Cabantous took the lead of a Grand Prix for the first time on lap 45. Taruffi was left a bit further behind, but was still a solid third with every hope of winning the race. 4869 Standings at the halfway point 1. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Gordini) 1:21:9.0 2. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +4.9 3. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) +29.2 4. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap 5. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +1 lap 6. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +1 lap 7. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) +2 laps 8. Maurice Trintignant (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +2 laps 9. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +3 laps Ret. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) Driver fatigue Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) Gearbox Ret. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) Driver fatigue Ret. Tony Gaze (Alfa Romeo) Transmission Ret. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) Overheating Ret. Harry Schell (Ferrari) Engine Ret. Johnny Claes (Maserati) Engine Ret. Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari) Overheating Ret. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) Driver fatigue Ret. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) Engine Ret. André Simon (Maserati) Collision Ret. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) Collision Ret. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) Collision
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Bettenhausen becomes the first Gordini driver other than Aldo himself to DNQ. That's terrible...
