Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 16 Sep 2012, 22:16

Henry Reatherson may plan to launch an attempt next season and he prefers these tracks to be on the calendar:

Monza
Zandvoort
Spa
Rouen-Les-Essarts
Silverstone

simonracer · Post by **simonracer** » 17 Sep 2012, 07:15

Firstly, I'm going to say that 5 races is simply not enough. By 1952, there were already 4 races that would definitely have been considered core events. These were the Italian Grand Prix, the Monaco Grand Prix, the Belgian Grand Prix, and the French Grand Prix. The German Grand Prix would also have been considered a core event, if it wasn't for the anti-German attitude which was probably still quite prevalent at that time, even in 1952. That already makes 5 races. It's also of note that the French Grand Prix is currently not among the 5 races in the championship. It would be completely and utterly disgraceful to not have the French Grand Prix. The sport's international governing body was and is based in France. Aside from that, the French Grand Prix is the oldest Grand Prix. It is also unquestionably where motor racing began. France was the first place were motor racing started to become a big sport. In the early years, the sport was dominated by French cars. Because of this, not only would it be completely disgraceful to not have that race, it would also show utter disregard for the sport's very history, regardless of what venues are available in that country. You do have to remember that this is not the modern era, where money rules, and new tracks in the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe spring up all the time.

At the same time, it would also be disgraceful to not have the other 4 races I mentioned. Again, these races, by 1952, were highly historical, especially the Italian, Monaco and Belgian races. I propose that these 5 races (including the German Grand Prix) remain regardless of how many races are held, and instead we just vote on two or three other races to run, even one other race, if need be, as we did for 1951, I believe. In that case based on current votes the British Grand Prix @ Silverstone would probably get in as would the Indianapolis 500 or United States Grand Prix @ Sebring. But the championship would not be complete without those 5 "core" races.

It is worth pointing out that the Monaco Grand Prix itself did not count towards World Championship standings in 1952. That was because the race's organizers decided that only cars of above 2 liters would be able to run in the Monaco Grand Prix. That would be not be a problem here, because people will be continuing to run Formula 1 cars to the 1950-1951 regulations in the 1952 season, and therefore there would be cars of above 2 liters. Whether or not they will actually be competitive, is difficult to say.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 17 Sep 2012, 07:56

And now I am going to utterly waste the effort you made for that post by explaining that tommykl just wants us to vote for 5 tracks so we don't have thousands of tracks who only have one nomination, there will be more tracks on the schedule for 1952 but there are more votes needed to make sure which makes the calendar since we have, as you can see, more than six tracks tied at one vote at the moment. So instead of misinterpreting him, you folks should rather vote more - the Indy 500 needs some votes and for our Australians, you could give your ancestors a Grand Prix much longer before they actually had, so vote for Leyburn.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 17 Sep 2012, 08:06

Zandvoort
Zandvoort
Zandvoort
Zandvoort
Zandvoort

Because we need Dries van der Lof in the field for at least one race

That Leyburn track would also be great.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 17 Sep 2012, 13:17

My 5 Nominations:

Donnington Park-UK
Sebring-USA
Brno-Czech Republic
Eläintarha, Helsinki, Finland. (Olympic host city race track)
Rouen-les-Essarts -France

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 17 Sep 2012, 14:50

My nominations:
-Pescara, Italy.
-Reims-Gueux, France.
-Pedralbes, Spain.
-Nürbrugring Nordschleife, Germany.
-Oulton Park, United Kingdom.

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Sep 2012, 15:34

eurobrun wrote:Zandvoort
Zandvoort
Zandvoort
Zandvoort
Zandvoort

Because we need Dries van der Lof in the field for at least one race

That Leyburn track would also be great.

That doesn't count

You can nominate up to five tracks, so Zandvoort and Leyburn each get one vote

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 17 Sep 2012, 16:04

Spa
Silverstone
Monaco
Rouen
Nürburgring

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 17 Sep 2012, 17:33

If it is possible, I would like to enter cars in 1952.

Post by **tommykl** » 17 Sep 2012, 17:47

pi314159 wrote:If it is possible, I would like to enter cars in 1952.

You can always post your plans, but entries will open at the same time as the 1952 thread. I don't think I'll change the entry process for next year.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 17 Sep 2012, 21:54

Monza
Leyburn
Zandvoort
Spa
A second race at Monza

or Sebring

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 17 Sep 2012, 23:49

I'm going to vote for the Grand Prix Des Frontières in Chimay, just because no-one else will ever going to vote for that

Post by **tommykl** » 18 Sep 2012, 13:54

Qualifying standings

1. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) - 1:52.3
2. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) - 1:53.2
3. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 1:53.4
4. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) - 1:53.5
5. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) - 1:53.6
6. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) - 1:53.7
7. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) - 1:53.8
8. André Pilette (Alfa Romeo) - 1:53.9
9. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) - 1:54.0
10. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 1:54.1
11. Mauri Rose (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:54.3
12. Johnny Claes (Maserati) - 1:54.4
13. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 1:54.5
14. Maurice Trintignant (Alfa Romeo) - 1:54.6
15. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 1:54.7
16. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) - 1:54.8
17. Jan Flinterman (Ferrari) - 1:54.9
18. Tony Gaze (Alfa Romeo) - 1:55.0
19. Paul Pietsch (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:55.1
20. Harry Schell (Ferrari) - 1:55.3
21. Geoff Richardson (Bentley) - 1:55.4
22. André Simon (Maserati) - 1:55.5
23. Tony Bettenhausen (Gordini) - 1:55.6
24. Hans Von Stuck (Maserati) - 1:55.7
25. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) - 1:55.8
26. Guy Mairesse (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 1:55.9
27. Georges Grignard (Maserati) - 1:56.0
28. David Hampshire (Alta) - 1:56.1
29. Louis Rosier (Maserati) - 1:56.2
30. Rudi Fischer (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 1:56.3
31. Dries van der Lof (Maserati-Ferrari) - 1:56.4
32. Giovanni Lurani (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 1:56.5
33. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix-Ferrari) - 1:56.6
34. Joe Kelly (Reatherson-Maserati) - 1:57.2

So, Farina takes pole again, but all the front runners are at the very front. In fact, apart from Taruffi's Metcalf, all the cars in the top 8 are either Ferraris or Alfa Romeos. However, the surprise of qualifying is undoubtedly Scuderia Ambrosiana. Returning with two cars, they weren't expected to do much better than Hampshire, their rival for most of the year, but to the surprise of many, while Lurani didn't do anything of note by failing to qualify by an admittedly respectable margin, Bracco not only managed to get the wretched thing on the grid, but in thirteenth place! Should the Milanese car make it to the end of the race, a good result is on the cards for the likeable team.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 18 Sep 2012, 15:32

As I predicted, Bettenhausen was going to struggle. Misses out by a tenth

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 18 Sep 2012, 17:13

Silverstone
Monza
Monaco
Nurburgring Nordschleife
Bremgarten

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 18 Sep 2012, 17:41

Wow 13th for Bracco!

That will certainly earn him a contract for next season, provided he gets it home in the race.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 18 Sep 2012, 20:27

Glad Schell made it on to the grid, I thought he was done for.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 18 Sep 2012, 21:14

Shame on you Maserati!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 Sep 2012, 22:51

-Good to see Flinterman qualify for his debut and being the best Dutchman by miles, eat that, Van Der Lof!
-If Trintignant would only be more consistent, he'd easily be champion
-Pilette will become champion, if his car holds it.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 19 Sep 2012, 00:05

This wrote:-Good to see Flinterman qualify for his debut and being the best Dutchman by miles, eat that, Van Der Lof!
-If Trintignant would only be more consistent, he'd easily be champion
-Pilette will become champion, if his car holds it.

Except Van der Lof is a boss and nobody cares who your guy is

Post by **tommykl** » 20 Sep 2012, 16:31

I just determined who would be retiring from the race, and we're in for another attrition-fest: only five cars will finish the race!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 20 Sep 2012, 17:11

tommykl wrote:I just determined who would be retiring from the race, and we're in for another attrition-fest: only five cars will finish the race!

Oh dear... I sense another Alfa Romeo triple DNF. :roll:

Post by **tommykl** » 20 Sep 2012, 17:33

DanielPT wrote:
tommykl wrote:I just determined who would be retiring from the race, and we're in for another attrition-fest: only five cars will finish the race!

Oh dear... I sense another Alfa Romeo triple DNF.

Actually, a double-DNF, and a customer car will also finish

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 20 Sep 2012, 17:39

tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
tommykl wrote:I just determined who would be retiring from the race, and we're in for another attrition-fest: only five cars will finish the race!

Oh dear... I sense another Alfa Romeo triple DNF.

Actually, a double-DNF, and a customer car will also finish

*Praying that the one who finishes is Farina*

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 20 Sep 2012, 17:45

Praying for a Bentley points miracle!

Post by **tommykl** » 20 Sep 2012, 20:05

I will say that the five finishers are:

-Two Alfa Romeos (1 works, 1 customer)
-Two Ferraris (both works)
-The last car is the only one of that chassis on the grid, so I won't reveal it

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 20 Sep 2012, 21:18

That's gordini's championship over then

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Sep 2012, 17:25

I somehow managed to do this all in one day...

August 12th 1951, Dutch Grand Prix

The start of the race wasn't very eventful, and the only change at the front was Whitehead passing Juan Manuel Fangio for third place. Serafini and Moss immediately joinde in the fight and they were all very tightly bunched starting lap 3. Already, the drivers were reduced to 21 when Johnny Claes' gearbox failed.

The advantage for the smaller teams is that since the circuit is shorter than average, it's easier to pull out a single great lap to steal the point for fastest lap, and this was demonstrated early on as Mauri Rose and Maurice Trintignant set the same time good enough for a provisional fastest lap. This fastest lap would switch hands numerous times during the race. Farina, meanwhile, was pulling away a bit, with de Graffenried following at a reasonable distance, Fangio a bit further back, having "won" the battle for third. This security didn't last, and Serafini was already harrassing him by lap 5.

Fangio quickly distanced Sanesi and caught de Graffenried. By lap 8, he was already just behind his team mate Farina. However, he made a mistake at Tunnel Oost on lap 9 and lost a small amount of time, but Farina was now way up the road again. On lap 10, Geoff Richardson retired, putting an end to Bentley's race.

Whitehead and Pilette were now more or less steadily established in fourth or fifth. Trintignant then spun out on lap 13 at Tarzan, getting his rear wheels stuck in the sand. He was already in ninth position after starting 14th. When I said that Whitehead and Pilette were in a steady position, that was relative, as the scrap for fourth place was incredibly tight, with Whitehead, Taruffi and Pilette all fighting over it. Serafini and de Graffenried then joined the fight, now for third place.

There was an equally heated battle for 8th place, between Whitehead, Sanesi, Chiron and Gaze, all of them hoping for some points helped by attrition. Manzon was also in the battle by lap 21. The first battle was at first won by André Pilette ahead of Dorino Serafini. This soon became a battle for second as Fangio suffered another terrible stroke of luck, his Alfa Romeo engine pulling up on the side of the track. This left Farina over a minute ahead of Pilette, who was himself over 15 seconds ahead of Serafini.

Immediately afterwards, Pilette had a spin and was now just ahead of Serafini and Moss, who took second place on lap 26. From a lack of anything else to say, Taruffi then took the new fastest lap of the race. He couldn't really take advantage of it as his suspension failed on lap 28, causing his retirement.

At this point, Farina was beginning to take it easy, with a safe lead. But he started getting too careful, and the chasing pack led by Moss started to gain second after second. Said pack was reduced to two (Serafini and Pilette) when Moss made it two Alfa Romeos retiring from second place, with an oil pump failure.

While Farina was setting average times, Pilette and Serafini were setting consistent quick laps (although Giovanni Bracco cheekily stol fastest lap on lap 34), and were soon much less than 30 seconds behind the leader. Pilette quickly fell behind, unable to keep up with Serafini, but easily defending his third place from Toulo de Graffenried. By lap 38, Serafini was right on Farina's tail, thus starting a close battle for the race lead. On the next lap, Serafini was through into the lead and Tony Gaze was out of the race, victim of yet another Alfa Romeo mechanical failure. He was 8th at the time, a commendable effort.

The tension was at its peak when both Italians crossed the start-finish line side by side to start lap 42, and while Serafini was leading again on the next lap (Manzon and Bracco had both set a new fastest lap, but that doesn't matter), they were side by side again at the end of lap 43!

But that was as far as it would go, as Farina took the lead again on lap 44 and started to build it up again. On lap 48, André Simon's Maserati failed, capping a bad day for Claes. Simon had been a distant 13th, ahead of only Paul Pietsch, who was too far back to make any sort of impact on the race.

Two laps later, it was heartbreak for Toulo de Graffenried when his Ferrari engine failed, putting an almost certain end to his championship chances. The Swiss baron was third, and this retirement meant that, at about halfway, these were the standings with 12 cars still in the race: Farina, with a healthy lead over Serafini, then a fight for third between Pilette and the hard-charging Whitehead and Manzon. Schell was sixth ahead of Sanesi, followed by Chiron, Flinterman (doing a respectable job in his first race), Bracco, Bira and Pietsch, already several laps down.

Lap 52 changed the whole midfield scene, when Manzon lost control coming out of the final corner, striking the dunes on the outside of the corner (though thankfully keeping the car straight) and coming to a stop on the other side of the track. The drivers behind were able to avoid the oil left behind by the Gordini, except for Consalvo Sanesi who, in a heated battle for sixth with Harry Schell, failed to notice the oil in time and spun into the sand banking in much the same manner as his team mate, ending the weekend (and the championship) for ART.

With sand being the most present thing at Zandvoort, it was easy to cover the oil slick and the drivers could continue racing, with Louis Chiron even setting a new fastest lap. It was around this time that Serafini thought that it would be a good idea to try to catch Farina once more.

Much like last time, he took advantage of the fact that Farina was taking it easy again to set consistent quick laps. In no time, the gap was halved (and Chiron's car smoking on the side of the track), and by the start of lap 62, the Italians were side by side once more. On the next lap, Dorino was though. On the next lap, it was Bira's car that had let go, reducing the field to just 8 drivers.

Farina, no doubt surprised by Serafini's pace, made a mistake, giving his rival an even bigger lead. This didn't really matter, as four laps later, Serafini made the exact same mistake, and Farina was though once more, free to expand his lead again. This he did, with ruthless efficiency. But, once his lead was large enough, he made the same mistake for the third time and slowed down once more, the perfect opportunity for Serafini. Local hero Jan Flinterman then heartbreakingly retired from the race from sixth position, just one place away from points.

In these conditions, huge gaps were insignificant. In five laps, Serafini was behind Farina, and on lap 81, Dorino was in the lead once more. Farina was not giving up without a fight though, and on the very next lap, he was leading again, and expanding his lead once more. In fact, on lap 86, he set a fastest lap that would stand until the end of the race, although he would share the extra point with Harry Schell, who pulled out the same lap time from God-knows-where.

But Serafini was no slouch either. On lap 88, they crossed the line side by side, and again on lap 89. With less than ten laps to go, the battle was thrilling. Further back, Schell had tried too hard for a podium and had spun off at Tarzan, wedging the Ferrari in the sand bank, although he would keep half a point for his fastest lap. One lap later, he was joined by Paul Pietsch, who had been trying too hard to make it back into the points for JAMR.

Lap 91 marked the end of the race as far as the win was concerned, as Serafini pushed Farina into making a mistake at Pulleveld. Farina lost a large amount of time, handing the win to Serafini. In fact, Farina's Alfa suffered some sort of after-effect from the spin, as he kept on losing time, although managing to keep enough pace to prevent any threat from Peter Whitehead.

Serafini therefore took his second ever race victory (after Belgium 1950) with Farina second, Whitehead third, Pilette fourth and Giovanni Bracco fifth as the last man standing, thanks to preserving his machinery and keeping his head cool. Great job by Scuderia Ambrosiana and Bracco. Farina's second place is enough to seal him his second consecutive world title.

1. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) 3:11:16.7
2. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
3. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +3 laps
4. André Pilette (Alfa Romeo) +4 laps
5. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +8 laps
Ret. Harry Schell (Ferrari) +12 laps/Accident
Ret. Paul Pietsch (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +16 laps/Spun off
Ret. Jan Flinterman (Ferrari) +25 laps/Transmission
Ret. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +40 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) +45 laps/Overheating
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +48 laps/Accident
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +49 laps/Accident
Ret. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) +50 laps/Engine
Ret. André Simon (Maserati) +54 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Tony Gaze (Alfa Romeo) +60 laps/Overheating
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +68 laps/Oil pump
Ret. Piero Taruffi (Metcalf) +71 laps/Suspension
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +74 laps/Engine
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Alfa Romeo) +85 laps/Spun off
Ret. Mauri Rose (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +86 laps/Steering
Ret. Geoff Richardson (Bentley) +88 laps/Engine
Ret. Johnny Claes (Maserati) +95 laps/Engine

Fastest lap: Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo)/Harry Schell (Ferrari) - 1:52.8

Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. Giuseppe Farina - 25.5
2. Toulo de Graffenried - 14
3. Dorino Serafini - 12 (1 win)
4. Consalvo Sanesi - 12 (2 2nds)
5. Reg Parnell - 11
6. Maurice Trintignant - 10
7. Robert Manzon - 9 (1 win, 4 Rets)
8. Troy Ruttman - 9 (1 win)
9. André Pilette - 9 (1 2nd)
10. Peter Whitehead - 9 (1 3rd)
11. B. Bira - 8
12. Jimmy Jackson - 6 (1 2nd)
13. Rudi Fischer - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
14. Bill Vukovich - 4 (1 3rd)
15. Manfred von Brauchitsch - 3 (1 4th, 1 7th)
16. Juan Manuel Fangio - 3 (1 4th, 5 Rets)
17. Tony Bettenhausen - 3 (1 4th, 3 Rets)
18. Paul Pietsch - 3 (1 4th, 2 Rets)
19. Myron Fohr - 3 (1 4th)
20. Harry Schell - 2.5
21. Charles Van Acker - 2 (1 5th, 1 8th)
22. Piero Taruffi - 2 (1 5th, 1 9th)
23. Franco Rol - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th, 1 Ret)
24. Giovanni Bracco - 2 (1 5th, 1 15th)

Constructor's championship
1. Ferrari - 42
2. Alfa Romeo - 32.5
3. Gordini - 18
4. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 12
5. Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser - 9
6. Aston Martin-Jaguar - 4
7. Ferrari-Jaguar - 3
8. Maserati - 2 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
9. Metcalf - 2 (1 5th, 1 9th)
10. Ambrosiana-Maserati - 2 (1 5th, 1 15th)

Entrant's championship
1. Scuderia Ferrari - 34
2. Alfa Romeo SpA - 31.5
3. Ecurie Nationale Belge - 19
4. Alexander Racing Team - 18
5. Motorsport Bleu - 12
6. Ferrari America - 11.5
7. Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing - 4
8. Scuderia Maremmana - 3
9. Team Metcalf GP - 2 (1 5th, 1 9th)
10. Redman Racing Team - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
11. Scuderia Ambrosiana - 2 (1 5th, 1 15th)

Entry spots allowed for the next races
Motorsport Bleu - 4
Redman Racing Team - 4
Team Metcalf GP - 4
Scuderia Maremmana - 4
Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing - 4
Ecurie Albertini - 4
Ecurie Nationale Belge (Scuderia Belgio, Equipe de France, Garage Francorchamps) - 4
Scuderia Platé-Varzi - 4
Scuderia Ambrosiana - 4
Graham Whitehead - 4
Aldo Gordini - 4
Louis Gérard - 4
British Racing Motors - 4
Scuderia Ferrari - 3
Alfa Romeo SpA - 3
Claes Racing Developments - 3
Tony Gaze - 3
Rudolf Caracciola - 3
Ferrari America - 3
Geoff Richardson - 3
Mike Hawthorn - 3
Alexander Racing Team - 2
Phoenix Racing Organisation - 2
Scuderia Commesso - 2
All-Ireland Motorsport - 2
Daily Express - 2
Hampshire Racing Alliance - 1
Team Bentley - 0
Eventual new teams - 1

So, major changes: Bentley can not enter any more this season, Ferrari America now have the possibility of running the third car at Monza, and I realised that I didn't update the Constructors and Entrants championships in Germany.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 29 Sep 2012, 17:59

Damn. Really hoping that Bentley would finish the race and thus grant us precious entries. Next year is the start of the dream!

Stanley Johnson-Jackson wrote:To say I'm dissapointed that we will not have the chance to enter another race inn 1951 would be an understatement, but I understand it is necessary. I would like to thank Geoff Richardson for his efforts in trying to haul our car onto the grid. I have already sent him a prized pony and a splendid tweed jacket and matching flat cap as a token of my gratitude, I hope he enjoys them. Anyway, I would like to notify Geoff that he is free to drive for any other team during Bentley's forced expelsion, but I would like to remind him that will be contacting him about a possible Bentley drive during the off-season. The expulsion will grant us valuable time to develop our new challenger for 1952, which will be faster and more reliable than this year's car. It is my dream for one of my cars to someday win a Grand Prix - we will not quit, nor will we give up, till that feat has been accomplished.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 29 Sep 2012, 19:40

A Maserati source from Italy wrote:Maserati is ready for the possible buyout of Scuderia Platé-Varzi by the Officine to be announced at the weekend of Italian Grand Prix

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 29 Sep 2012, 20:17

We at Ferrari America would like to offer our 3rd seat to a driver of Ferrari's choice.
We are also thrilled with the fastest lap performance of Schell and his never say die attitude, though he did not finish the race his efforts have given us more points in a very succesful 2nd half of the season for the team.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 29 Sep 2012, 22:16

Wow points! Never thought we'd see that earlier in the season.

As a result Scuderia Ambrosiana will celebrate by entering 4 cars at their home race in Monza. Bracco and Cortese will be joined by Don Giovanni Lurani and Porfirio Rubirosa.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 29 Sep 2012, 22:34

Being the team's home race, beside Marimón and Pillette, Platé-Varzi will field, if available, Lance Macklin and Piero Dusio

Post by **tommykl** » 30 Sep 2012, 07:07

The entry list for Italy is updated, and since we're far over the 40-car limit, and I don't want to deny a lot of entries, I decided that a pre-qualifying session will be held. This is just a one-off occurrence, but may happen again in the future should there be an outrageous amount of cars on the entry list. Since there will be 26 cars starting the race, I'll say the top 26 drivers get an automatic spot in qualifying, with the others having to go through pre-qualifying. There will be 34 cars in main qualifying.

Does that sound good to everybody?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Sep 2012, 07:09

Sounds good to me. Now, can Jaguar-Aston Martin enter than Dominican Republic guy from the A1 GP series for next year? :lol:

Post by **tommykl** » 30 Sep 2012, 07:11

Wizzie wrote:Sounds good to me. Now, can Jaguar-Aston Martin enter than Dominican Republic guy from the A1 GP series for next year?

Ambrosiana already signed him for Italy this year, but you can always negotiate to get him for next year

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Sep 2012, 07:14

tommykl wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Sounds good to me. Now, can Jaguar-Aston Martin enter than Dominican Republic guy from the A1 GP series for next year?

Ambrosiana already signed him for Italy this year, but you can always negotiate to get him for next year

Fair enough. Seriously, that guy's the most epic thing to come out of the Caribbean this side of Tropican Spiced Rum :lol:

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 30 Sep 2012, 08:31

Motorsport Bleu will keep their three drivers from the Dutch GP.

Post by **tommykl** » 30 Sep 2012, 09:06

Remember, you can still suggest regulation changes for next season or new additions. You can also still vote for five tracks to be on the calendar for next season. Here's how the votes tally up so far:

Monza (Italian Grand Prix) - 8
Spa-Francorchamps (Belgian Grand Prix) - 7
Monaco (Monaco Grand Prix) - 5
Silverstone (British Grand Prix) - 5
Nürburgring (German Grand Prix) - 5
Rouen-les-Essarts (French Grand Prix) - 4
Donington (British Grand Prix) - 3
Leyburn (Australian Grand Prix) - 3
Sebring (United States Grand Prix) - 3
Zandvoort (Dutch Grand Prix) - 3
Reims-Gueux (French Grand Prix) - 2
Bremgarten (Swiss Grand Prix) - 2
Indianapolis (Indianapolis 500) - 1
Le Mans (French Grand Prix) - 1
Brno (Czechoslovakian Grand Prix) - 1
Eläintarha (Finnish Grand Prix) - 1
Pescara (Italian Grand Prix) - 1
Pedralbes (Spanish Grand Prix) - 1
Oulton Park (British Grand Prix) - 1
Chimay (Belgian Grand Prix) - 1

Tracks in bold are on the provisional calendar. Circuits in italics would have to go through a secondary vote. Others do not have enough votes yet. There will be between 8 and 10 circuits on the calendar.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 30 Sep 2012, 09:25

As there is still one entry spot for a new team, I would like to enter an OSCA car for Felice Bonetto in Italy.