Beat Tilke at his own game

Post by **mario** » 03 Nov 2012, 23:10

There is another related reason for tarmac being preferred over gravel these days, and that is the fact that it is easier for the marshals to remove a stranded vehicle from a tarmac run off area compared to gravel (it is easier to move a recovery vehicle into position, or, alternatively, to push a car out of the way if you have a hard surface rather than a loose one like gravel).

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Nov 2012, 07:26

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:The reason why it isn't is because it's to lenient on the drivers mistakes IMO

Drivers still get a second car if they can get the car and shredded tires back to the pits. Gravel worked frine for the 20+ years or so it was the most popular merhod of slowing cars down so why did people feel a need to change it? Gravel has never been the sole cause of a fatal accident.

No, but it contributed to Schumacher's broken leg in 1999, because his car skipped over the gravel. That's what modern Formula 1 cars do with gravel runoffs. Tarmac is much more efficient at slowing a car down, well, except in the wet.

Schumacher's crash was due to a brake failure. Sure, abrasive tarmac would have been better, but regular tarmac in that case wouldn't slow the car down at all. Besides, with the cars being safer than ever, I think the chances of anyone having the same crash with injuries as heavy as Michael's are pretty low.

girry · Post by **girry** » 04 Nov 2012, 12:08

In corners like Pouhon or Stowe etc. where a big accident could be caused by the gravel, I do see the purpose of asphalt safety areas. However it's waaay over-used, see the likes of Spa where Hamilton made a mistake in Rivage '10 and got stuck there in the gravel....guess what, come 2011, there was asphalt there so the drivers don't accidentally have any chance of retiring because of their own mistake :roll:

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 04 Nov 2012, 14:25

giraurd wrote:In corners like Pouhon or Stowe etc. where a big accident could be caused by the gravel, I do see the purpose of asphalt safety areas. However it's waaay over-used, see the likes of Spa where Hamilton made a mistake in Rivage '10 and got stuck there in the gravel....guess what, come 2011, there was asphalt there so the drivers don't accidentally have any chance of retiring because of their own mistake

tech pro barriers are amazing just ask nico rosberg :lol:

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 04 Nov 2012, 17:33

sticking my neck out a bit hear but i'm doing this anyway, austin
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5727731
mugello
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5728244
sears point
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5728277
road atlanta
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5728289
tsukuba super gt
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5728437
tsukuba f1
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5728465

enjoy please comment
peace rob

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 05 Nov 2012, 03:21

Your extension to Sears Point would need some serious terraforming....

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Nov 2012, 04:38

Anyone want to geuss what happened here? 4187541327855189456312789513278901526895461980612437641238907158694638904198046389645318964538901250954783289589187404259 HWNSNBM Points if you can get it

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 06 Nov 2012, 06:46

eurobrun wrote:Anyone want to geuss what happened here? 4187541327855189456312789513278901526895461980612437641238907158694638904198046389645318964538901250954783289589187404259 HWNSNBM Points if you can get it

You built a Formula One circuit around a closed down power station.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Nov 2012, 08:20

pi314159 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Anyone want to geuss what happened here? 4187541327855189456312789513278901526895461980612437641238907158694638904198046389645318964538901250954783289589187404259 HWNSNBM Points if you can get it

You built a Formula One circuit around a closed down power station.

But why did I choose that particular power station?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 06 Nov 2012, 08:48

eurobrun wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Anyone want to geuss what happened here? 4187541327855189456312789513278901526895461980612437641238907158694638904198046389645318964538901250954783289589187404259 HWNSNBM Points if you can get it

You built a Formula One circuit around a closed down power station.

But why did I choose that particular power station?

It's in Australia or didcot

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Nov 2012, 10:36

roblomas52 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Anyone want to geuss what happened here? 4187541327855189456312789513278901526895461980612437641238907158694638904198046389645318964538901250954783289589187404259 HWNSNBM Points if you can get it

But why did I choose that particular power station?

It's in Australia or didcot

Nope, the competition is still open.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 06 Nov 2012, 10:56

ramsgate power station

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Nov 2012, 11:02

roblomas52 wrote:ramsgate power station

Nope, its not. The question is why this particular power station is notable.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 06 Nov 2012, 11:04

eurobrun wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Anyone want to geuss what happened here? 4187541327855189456312789513278901526895461980612437641238907158694638904198046389645318964538901250954783289589187404259 HWNSNBM Points if you can get it

You built a Formula One circuit around a closed down power station.

But why did I choose that particular power station?

Because the Richborough Power Station was used for the TV Show 'Full Metal Challenge', as I found out on Wikipedia.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 06 Nov 2012, 11:15

Yes, when I saw it on gmap I couldn't believe it was the same place because it looked so different. Watching that show makes me remember lots of good things from the past for some reason

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 06 Nov 2012, 17:47

for a brief second, probably because i'm an american on the east coast of the US, my brain briefly said "Three Mile Island"

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 06 Nov 2012, 20:59

nome66 wrote:for a brief second, probably because i'm an american on the east coast of the US, my brain briefly said "Three Mile Island"

I thought it was Three Mile Island as well until I zoomed out and saw it was in the UK

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 18 Nov 2012, 21:21

Let me revive this thread with some more improved tracks. Or rather, one improved track:

A revised Imola, which will probably be too dangerous however: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5741469

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 18 Nov 2012, 21:28

Ferrarist wrote:Let me revive this thread with some more improved tracks. Or rather, one improved track:

A revised Imola, which will probably be too dangerous however: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5741469

Nothing wrong with danger IMO

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Nov 2012, 01:08

roblomas52 wrote:
Ferrarist wrote:Let me revive this thread with some more improved tracks. Or rather, one improved track:

A revised Imola, which will probably be too dangerous however: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5741469

Nothing wrong with danger IMO

Tell that to Massa. Or Kubica.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 19 Nov 2012, 02:52

or Williams

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 19 Nov 2012, 13:06

nurburgring gp + sudschlife
http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5737917

popley f1
http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5738453

Frentzen127 · Post by **Frentzen127** » 04 Dec 2012, 23:51

I'll show myself to the door now.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 05 Dec 2012, 10:22

Centrelink Grand Prix: Part 1
Centrelink Grand Prix: Part 2

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 05 Dec 2012, 16:57

mont tremblant
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5749468
toronto
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5748733
wellington
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5749450

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 12 Dec 2012, 12:55

bahrain tilke style
http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5758783

legendari25 · Post by **legendari25** » 28 Dec 2012, 06:02

Hello guys, I'm sorry I disappeared for a while. I had to study for a few tests and then my computer stopped working all together. I reinstalled Windows very quickly to continue studying ASAP, but I never configured anything for design. So yesterday I reinstalled Windows yet again and here I bring you a new design to end 2012.

I must really thank you all for the feedback I've had in this forum, specially Rob Lomas' and giraud's who have kindly pointed out major faults with my tracks and praised the last ones.

I took on Interlagos. I saw a few attempts here that said nothing. Main problems were that Interlagos was originally a very long track folded 40 times on itself. The 1989 redesign for the 1990 season cut many sectors and added many challenging corners like the new S do Senna, the new Ferradura and the new, much tighter Juncao corner. The proposals here centered themselves in using as much of the old track as possible ignoring that many great corners would be lost in the process. That is why I tried to stick to the new layout, just lengthening it wherever I felt a slight extension was needed. I increased the speed through some corners to allow higher speed at the end of some straight runs (e.g., the S do Senna is much faster on the exit, the Ferradura-Laranjinha complex is much faster, removing the need to brake through it). Also, the banking through Ferradura-Laranjinha is intended to be slightly higher, thus providing higher cornering speed.

Both me and another racing driver friend would like to have the corner after the second straight as a Daytona-like banked corner, but I know that is not very F1ish these days. The Monza Oval, the Karousel, or the final corner at Indianapolis days are over... That is why I used a Tilke-style triple-apex corner. However, due to perspective, both that complex and the following Hockenheimring-style hairpin+parabolika look disgusting. I promise that in the plans they look much, much better.

By the way, I lost all the google earth routes when my HDD crashed

But I'm starting over tomorrow morning (I should go to sleep, it's already 4 am ¬¬)

OK, enjoy and give feedback, please

Tomorrow, I'm taking over the Nürburgring.

Happy new year to you all, including Captain Hammer

2013 is gona be legen, wait for it, dari!

Darío Fernández.

PS: Maybe we can add two more lakes so that it returns to be a real Interlagos instead of just an Around-the-one-lago.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 28 Dec 2012, 19:23

legendari25 wrote:Hello guys, I'm sorry I disappeared for a while. I had to study for a few tests and then my computer stopped working all together. I reinstalled Windows very quickly to continue studying ASAP, but I never configured anything for design. So yesterday I reinstalled Windows yet again and here I bring you a new design to end 2012.

I must really thank you all for the feedback I've had in this forum, specially Rob Lomas' and giraud's who have kindly pointed out major faults with my tracks and praised the last ones.

I took on Interlagos. I saw a few attempts here that said nothing. Main problems were that Interlagos was originally a very long track folded 40 times on itself. The 1989 redesign for the 1990 season cut many sectors and added many challenging corners like the new S do Senna, the new Ferradura and the new, much tighter Juncao corner. The proposals here centered themselves in using as much of the old track as possible ignoring that many great corners would be lost in the process. That is why I tried to stick to the new layout, just lengthening it wherever I felt a slight extension was needed. I increased the speed through some corners to allow higher speed at the end of some straight runs (e.g., the S do Senna is much faster on the exit, the Ferradura-Laranjinha complex is much faster, removing the need to brake through it). Also, the banking through Ferradura-Laranjinha is intended to be slightly higher, thus providing higher cornering speed.

Both me and another racing driver friend would like to have the corner after the second straight as a Daytona-like banked corner, but I know that is not very F1ish these days. The Monza Oval, the Karousel, or the final corner at Indianapolis days are over... That is why I used a Tilke-style triple-apex corner. However, due to perspective, both that complex and the following Hockenheimring-style hairpin+parabolika look disgusting. I promise that in the plans they look much, much better.

By the way, I lost all the google earth routes when my HDD crashed But I'm starting over tomorrow morning (I should go to sleep, it's already 4 am ¬¬)

OK, enjoy and give feedback, please Tomorrow, I'm taking over the Nürburgring.

Happy new year to you all, including Captain Hammer 2013 is gona be legen, wait for it, dari!

Darío Fernández.

PS: Maybe we can add two more lakes so that it returns to be a real Interlagos instead of just an Around-the-one-lago.

love the the circuit mate and its a lot safer than what i would have done because I personally would have used the old curva 1 and curva 2 because they were banked, flat out and they had not a lot of run off but in this day and age they would be classed as leathal which means that the senna s, which is what you used in your design, is a lot better because its safer.

peace Rob

P.S you coming back is amazing because the first thing i do each day is check whats been posted overnight, and my parents think i should do civil engineering as well

nikspyker · Post by **nikspyker** » 28 Dec 2012, 21:05

Three Street Circuits at Buenos Aires, Two are in the Aeroparque Jorge Newbery

Puerto Madero Street Circuit
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5769436

Aeroparque A
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5769438

Aeroparque B
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5770007

legendari25 · Post by **legendari25** » 29 Dec 2012, 02:31

Thank you Rob. Your replying is great too

Here's the promised Nürburgring and an extra gift too

credits to Captain Hammer for the final section

Cheers to y'all

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 29 Dec 2012, 03:10

My rejectful attempt to design an infield circuit for Talledega.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 29 Dec 2012, 21:31

legendari25 wrote:Thank you Rob. Your replying is great too

Here's the promised Nürburgring and an extra gift too

credits to Captain Hammer for the final section

Cheers to y'all

That nurburgring final sector yours looks amazing mate and your Monaco is amazing because you have added 2 new overtaking spots and is very simple where as mine was based arround avenue de la costa which is kinda like a modern day Tamburello in that it is very fast with very little run off area but the main differences are that it curves right instead
of left and is very steeply downhill. In an f1 car it will be gear 6/7 which means that it probably won't happen

Peace Rob

P.s I have some designs for hockenheim lined up soon and I shall be posting the tracks I have designed over Christmas on new years eve

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Dec 2012, 21:40

Problem with that Nürburgring is that the inclines are probably not suited to this lay out. The part where you enter the nordschleife is a valley. It would be possible, but the Nordschleife would become un-usable.

legendari25 · Post by **legendari25** » 29 Dec 2012, 23:27

This wrote:Problem with that Nürburgring is that the inclines are probably not suited to this lay out. The part where you enter the nordschleife is a valley. It would be possible, but the Nordschleife would become un-usable.

Nah, not at that point. When I saw Captain Hammer's proposal, I assumed that too, but I spent lots of time checking the elevations in Google Earth, rFactor and GT5, and lots more watching footage both in and out of the track. There is nearly no difference in height between the new track and the spot where I entered the Nordschleife. It's slightly uphill, but nothing out of this world.

Why would it be unusable? I just need a bit of runoff on the opposite sides, without altering the track. The new path connecting with the main straight would not touch the current layous of either Nordschleife or the GP track. Of course you wouldn't be able to drive the Nordschleife while the GP is on the way, but who would want to, when you have 22 F1s having an interesting race, finally!

Four new gifts.

Shanghai: Needs some fine Tuning

Sepang: The second to last corner looks awful on the map, it needs some adjustments. But just picture it in first person rather than from the top. Imagine it's the last two corners of Buenos Aires.

Cheers

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Dec 2012, 02:13

legendari25 wrote:
This wrote:Problem with that Nürburgring is that the inclines are probably not suited to this lay out. The part where you enter the nordschleife is a valley. It would be possible, but the Nordschleife would become un-usable.

Nah, not at that point. When I saw Captain Hammer's proposal, I assumed that too, but I spent lots of time checking the elevations in Google Earth, rFactor and GT5, and lots more watching footage both in and out of the track. There is nearly no difference in height between the new track and the spot where I entered the Nordschleife. It's slightly uphill, but nothing out of this world.

Why would it be unusable? I just need a bit of runoff on the opposite sides, without altering the track. The new path connecting with the main straight would not touch the current layous of either Nordschleife or the GP track. Of course you wouldn't be able to drive the Nordschleife while the GP is on the way, but who would want to, when you have 22 F1s having an interesting race, finally!

I walked up that hill by foot, as i been to Rock Am Ring twice, and used the nordschleife as a shortcut between a campsite (somehow i ended up at the caravan camping, despite having a tent) and the festival site (which was a good excuse to get my friends who aren't interested in motor racing to walk on the nordschleife) there's actually somewhere near the service road a rope to help people climbing down the hill, because it's too steep. (and imagine drunk germans doing that, not a pretty sight ) It's something slightly less than than 10 meter in my estimations, and it keeps more or less the same height between the two campings near the service road.
Why it would be unusable? Well i meant you have to make sure it is on the same level as the nordschleife part that goes the other direction, so you can keep on using the old part. Which is impossible, unless you remove the service road, so the race-track can start its descent earlier, which could be a perfect solution.

razta · Post by **razta** » 30 Dec 2012, 03:51

I came across this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Autodrome

guess who holds the lap record?

Lap record 1:41.220 (Kamui Kobayashi, DAMS, 2008, GP2 Asia)

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 30 Dec 2012, 04:11

razta wrote:I came across this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Autodrome

guess who holds the lap record?

Lap record 1:41.220 (Kamui Kobayashi, DAMS, 2008, GP2 Asia)

Hey! Why didn't the folks who set up the Abu Dhabi GP put the race there??? :?:

razta · Post by **razta** » 30 Dec 2012, 04:22

JeremyMcClean wrote:
razta wrote:I came across this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Autodrome

guess who holds the lap record?

Lap record 1:41.220 (Kamui Kobayashi, DAMS, 2008, GP2 Asia)

Hey! Why didn't the folks who set up the Abu Dhabi GP put the race there???

Politico-crap-o-meter broke

legendari25 · Post by **legendari25** » 30 Dec 2012, 04:36

This wrote:
legendari25 wrote:
This wrote:Problem with that Nürburgring is that the inclines are probably not suited to this lay out. The part where you enter the nordschleife is a valley. It would be possible, but the Nordschleife would become un-usable.

Nah, not at that point. When I saw Captain Hammer's proposal, I assumed that too, but I spent lots of time checking the elevations in Google Earth, rFactor and GT5, and lots more watching footage both in and out of the track. There is nearly no difference in height between the new track and the spot where I entered the Nordschleife. It's slightly uphill, but nothing out of this world.

Why would it be unusable? I just need a bit of runoff on the opposite sides, without altering the track. The new path connecting with the main straight would not touch the current layous of either Nordschleife or the GP track. Of course you wouldn't be able to drive the Nordschleife while the GP is on the way, but who would want to, when you have 22 F1s having an interesting race, finally!

I walked up that hill by foot, as i been to Rock Am Ring twice, and used the nordschleife as a shortcut between a campsite (somehow i ended up at the caravan camping, despite having a tent) and the festival site (which was a good excuse to get my friends who aren't interested in motor racing to walk on the nordschleife) there's actually somewhere near the service road a rope to help people climbing down the hill, because it's too steep. (and imagine drunk germans doing that, not a pretty sight ) It's something slightly less than than 10 meter in my estimations, and it keeps more or less the same height between the two campings near the service road.
Why it would be unusable? Well i meant you have to make sure it is on the same level as the nordschleife part that goes the other direction, so you can keep on using the old part. Which is impossible, unless you remove the service road, so the race-track can start its descent earlier, which could be a perfect solution.

Why can't I level up before the service road and then bridge over it? That way none of the three parts are messed with

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 30 Dec 2012, 15:38

legendari25 wrote:
This wrote:Problem with that Nürburgring is that the inclines are probably not suited to this lay out. The part where you enter the nordschleife is a valley. It would be possible, but the Nordschleife would become un-usable.

Nah, not at that point. When I saw Captain Hammer's proposal, I assumed that too, but I spent lots of time checking the elevations in Google Earth, rFactor and GT5, and lots more watching footage both in and out of the track. There is nearly no difference in height between the new track and the spot where I entered the Nordschleife. It's slightly uphill, but nothing out of this world.

Why would it be unusable? I just need a bit of runoff on the opposite sides, without altering the track. The new path connecting with the main straight would not touch the current layous of either Nordschleife or the GP track. Of course you wouldn't be able to drive the Nordschleife while the GP is on the way, but who would want to, when you have 22 F1s having an interesting race, finally!

Four new gifts.

Shanghai: Needs some fine Tuning

Sepang: The second to last corner looks awful on the map, it needs some adjustments. But just picture it in first person rather than from the top. Imagine it's the last two corners of Buenos Aires.

Cheers

sepang looks amazing with those change and rather ironically, i was looking at the buenos aries track when that was being posted.
adelade is slightly too long because measured the track this afternoon and it came to 8.0474km but melbourne would be able to host f1as the length come to 5.4705km.
shanghai is the most transformed as you have added at least 5 new overtaking spots
all in all very good designs.
peace Rob

p.s if all the greatest bits of track in the world were put together to make a mega circuit, what would it look like?