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LellaLombardi wrote:Whitmarsh is a tool. Perez has had too many other good results for this current run of form to be anything other than a dip. Every driver has them, but it is vital that McLaren support him. I'm getting seriously fed up with the repeated self-important "Lewis will regret this". It's Lewis's life, he may never end up getting what he wants results wise at Mercedes but I can understand why he would feel the need to leave McLaren.

It also comes across as a slightly vindictive parting shot from Whitmarsh, which doesn't reflect well on the team.
What I also find slightly disingenuous is Whitmarsh's comment that Hamilton shouldn't have rushed into his decision to leave after the Singapore GP - asides from the fact that I have the impression that his relationship with McLaren was already breaking down a number of months before that point, McLaren's decision to sign Perez after the Singapore GP was done in a hell of a rush too (something which has now had some observers question the wisdom of considering his recent run of form).
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according with Auto Motor und Sport, the Force India second seat have at least, 10 drivers to choose for the second seat:

-Jules Bianchi
-Heikki Kovalainen
-Davide Valsecchi
-Luiz Razia
-Bruno Senna
-Johnny Ceccoto Jr.
-Rodolfo Gonzalez

and

-Rubens Barrichello
-Jacques Villeneuve :lol:

If you add the speculation of Kamui Kobayashi, Jaime Alguersuari and Adrian Sutil, we have 12 drivers fighting for a seat :o

But the news said also, FI discard the pay drivers and the veterans of the list. Buemi, Alguersuari and Sutil are the favourites.
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Dj_bereta wrote:according with Auto Motor und Sport, the Force India second seat have at least, 10 drivers to choose for the second seat:

-Jules Bianchi
-Heikki Kovalainen
-Davide Valsecchi
-Luiz Razia
-Bruno Senna
-Johnny Ceccoto Jr.
-Rodolfo Gonzalez

and

-Rubens Barrichello
-Jacques Villeneuve :lol:

If you add the speculation of Kamui Kobayashi, Jaime Alguersuari and Adrian Sutil, we have 12 drivers fighting for a seat :o

But the news said also, FI discard the pay drivers and the veterans of the list. Buemi, Alguersuari and Sutil are the favourites.


If Rodolfo Gonzalez got a seat over Jaime Alguersuari at FI, I'd find Vijay Mallya's house and put a turd through his letterbox.
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Aabar sells stake in Mercedes to Daimler

What this means for the team though is beyond me.
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Daimler are part of Chrysler aren't they? So could lead to some support promoting stateside?
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Wizzie wrote:Aabar sells stake in Mercedes to Daimler

What this means for the team though is beyond me.


The team is fully owned by Mercedes now (Mercedes-Benz is a brand from Daimler).
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Dj_bereta wrote:according with Auto Motor und Sport, the Force India second seat have at least, 10 drivers to choose for the second seat:

-Jacques Villeneuve :lol:



Please take that source and go chuck it out the window, surely they cannot be serious. :lol:
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sswishbone wrote:Daimler are part of Chrysler aren't they? So could lead to some support promoting stateside?

Daimler sold Chrysler in 2007, so no. They're not longer connected at all.
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sswishbone wrote:Daimler are part of Chrysler aren't they? So could lead to some support promoting stateside?


Used to be, they merged in 1999 but Daimler sold Chrysler off in 2007 when things went pear-shaped for the US car industry. Daimler are of course Mercedes' parent company so in effect, the F1 team are now a fully backed manufacturer. What this does mean is Daimler has the freedom now to do whatever it wants with the team without having to get the agreement of other stakeholders, but in the short term I can't see much changing.

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Dj_bereta wrote:according with Auto Motor und Sport, the Force India second seat have at least, 10 drivers to choose for the second seat:

-Jules Bianchi
-Heikki Kovalainen
-Davide Valsecchi
-Luiz Razia
-Bruno Senna
-Johnny Ceccoto Jr.
-Rodolfo Gonzalez

and

-Rubens Barrichello
-Jacques Villeneuve :lol:

If you add the speculation of Kamui Kobayashi, Jaime Alguersuari and Adrian Sutil, we have 12 drivers fighting for a seat :o

But the news said also, FI discard the pay drivers and the veterans of the list. Buemi, Alguersuari and Sutil are the favourites.


Buemi's one of the favourites, but not even on the list. Strange.
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redbulljack14 wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:according with Auto Motor und Sport, the Force India second seat have at least, 10 drivers to choose for the second seat:

-Jules Bianchi
-Heikki Kovalainen
-Davide Valsecchi
-Luiz Razia
-Bruno Senna
-Johnny Ceccoto Jr.
-Rodolfo Gonzalez

and

-Rubens Barrichello
-Jacques Villeneuve :lol:

If you add the speculation of Kamui Kobayashi, Jaime Alguersuari and Adrian Sutil, we have 12 drivers fighting for a seat :o

But the news said also, FI discard the pay drivers and the veterans of the list. Buemi, Alguersuari and Sutil are the favourites.


Buemi's one of the favourites, but not even on the list. Strange.


And anyone who even thinks of rating Razia, Valsecchi or Ceccotto Jr as F1 material is either clinically insane or having a laugh.
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Wizzie wrote:And anyone who even thinks of rating Razia, Valsecchi or Ceccotto Jr as F1 material is either clinically insane or having a laugh.


Valsechhi isn't that bad in my opinion. Ceccotto Jr on the other hand :lol:
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Wizzie wrote:And anyone who even thinks of rating Razia, Valsecchi or Ceccotto Jr as F1 material is either clinically insane or having a laugh.


Or, at least as far as Ceccotto goes, needs money as Mallya's dubious situation and the insistance of squeezing more dosh out of Aerolab and Caterham would imply to at least partially be the case at Force India. From what I know Valsecchi is also not amongst the poorest drivers out there. Money does make the world go round.
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Wizzie wrote:
And anyone who even thinks of rating Razia, Valsecchi or Ceccotto Jr as F1 material is either clinically insane or having a laugh.


Couldn't agree more. And I will go even further by saying that this GP2 season has been frankly poor, driver wise. Even Felipe Nasr disappointed me...
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DanielPT wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
And anyone who even thinks of rating Razia, Valsecchi or Ceccotto Jr as F1 material is either clinically insane or having a laugh.


Couldn't agree more. And I will go even further by saying that this GP2 season has been frankly poor, driver wise. Even Felipe Nasr disappointed me...


I expect GP2 to be shuffled a bit next year. I would imagine that we'd get a fair few GP3 grads next year (Evans, Abt, Vainio, and maybe even Ellinas and Ceccon) which should definitely freshen things up. Alexander Rossi says he's looking for a GP2 seat for next year too.
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BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
And anyone who even thinks of rating Razia, Valsecchi or Ceccotto Jr as F1 material is either clinically insane or having a laugh.


Couldn't agree more. And I will go even further by saying that this GP2 season has been frankly poor, driver wise. Even Felipe Nasr disappointed me...


I expect GP2 to be shuffled a bit next year. I would imagine that we'd get a fair few GP3 grads next year (Evans, Abt, Vainio, and maybe even Ellinas and Ceccon) which should definitely freshen things up. Alexander Rossi says he's looking for a GP2 seat for next year too.


I expect Adrian Quaife-Hobbs to do well if he gets a drive [/fanboyism]
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what about Daly? to be honest i'm not sure if he wants a GP2 seat or an IndyCar seat because he's done well in GP3 and IndyLights.
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eurobrun wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
Couldn't agree more. And I will go even further by saying that this GP2 season has been frankly poor, driver wise. Even Felipe Nasr disappointed me...


I expect GP2 to be shuffled a bit next year. I would imagine that we'd get a fair few GP3 grads next year (Evans, Abt, Vainio, and maybe even Ellinas and Ceccon) which should definitely freshen things up. Alexander Rossi says he's looking for a GP2 seat for next year too.


I expect Adrian Quaife-Hobbs to do well if he gets a drive [/fanboyism]


Considering he spent his half-season at FR3.5 destroying the rest of the field there (that field which included one Jules Bianchi, who would have won the title easily if he was actually physically capable of stringing more than half a season together), he'll probably have no problem being right up there for the title if he switched to GP2. However, he's probably better off doing a full campaign at FR3.5 considering both categories have a similar field quality right now and he has more experience in the car.

EDIT: Turns out I got Quaife-Hobbs and Da Costa mixed up. I'll take my reject of the thread award now :oops:
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Wizzie wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:I expect GP2 to be shuffled a bit next year. I would imagine that we'd get a fair few GP3 grads next year (Evans, Abt, Vainio, and maybe even Ellinas and Ceccon) which should definitely freshen things up. Alexander Rossi says he's looking for a GP2 seat for next year too.


I expect Adrian Quaife-Hobbs to do well if he gets a drive [/fanboyism]


Considering he spent his half-season at FR3.5 destroying the rest of the field there (that field which included one Jules Bianchi, who would have won the title easily if he was actually physically capable of stringing more than half a season together), he'll probably have no problem being right up there for the title if he switched to GP2. However, he's probably better off doing a full campaign at FR3.5 considering both categories have a similar field quality right now and he has more experience in the car.

EDIT: Turns out I got Quaife-Hobbs and Da Costa mixed up. I'll take my reject of the thread award now :oops:


(Gives Wizzie his award) :lol:

I think Da Costa will be in a Toro Rosso in 2014, if not sooner.
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If anyone can drag that pile of garbage STR to a good result, it will surely be Da Costa. One more season in FR3.5, win the title, move to STR and destroy Vergne or Ricciardo (whoever doesn't get sacked) for a year and then move up to the senior team and win WDC. Simples.
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eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Considering he spent his half-season at FR3.5 destroying the rest of the field there (that field which included one Jules Bianchi, who would have won the title easily if he was actually physically capable of stringing more than half a season together), he'll probably have no problem being right up there for the title if he switched to GP2. However, he's probably better off doing a full campaign at FR3.5 considering both categories have a similar field quality right now and he has more experience in the car.

EDIT: Turns out I got Quaife-Hobbs and Da Costa mixed up. I'll take my reject of the thread award now :oops:


(Gives Wizzie his award) :lol:

I think Da Costa will be in a Toro Rosso in 2014, if not sooner.


I almost certain that Da Costa will do a full campaign in FR3.5. And after obliterating the field in Macau GP (which by the way, was a very dark weekend for Motorsport, RIP to Phillip Yau Wing-Choi and Luis Carreira...), my guess is that if he does well, he will be rushed into a Toro Rosso seat (after a few Friday sessions) as early as next season. Don't get me wrong, usually, for a Portuguese, I would be very excited by this, but it happens that I rate Da Costa highly and I think that he is probably the most talented Portuguese driver around and, quite possibly, of all time (at least in open wheel formulae), so I would prefer him to spend more time around junior levels to gather some more experience.
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Dj_bereta wrote:according with Auto Motor und Sport, the Force India second seat have at least, 10 drivers to choose for the second seat:

-Jules Bianchi
-Mika Hakkinen
-Davide Valsecchi
-Luiz Razia
-Dale Earnhardt Jr.
-Johnny Ceccoto Jr.
-Rodolfo Gonzalez
-Ralf Schumacher

and

-Rubens Barrichello
-Jacques Villeneuve :lol:
-Luca Badoer

If you add the speculation of Kamui Kobayashi, Jaime Alguersuari and Michael Andretti, we have 12 drivers fighting for a seat :o

But the news said also, FI discard the pay drivers and the veterans of the list. Buemi, Alguersuari and Sutil are the favourites.

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DanielPT wrote:Don't get me wrong, usually, for a Portuguese, I would be very excited by this, but it happens that I rate Da Costa highly and I think that he is probably the most talented Portuguese driver around and, quite possibly, of all time (at least in open wheel formulae), so I would prefer him to spend more time around junior levels to gather some more experience.


And when he gets shafted by Red Bull you'll know how the Aussies and French feel :lol:
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And when he gets shafted by Red Bull you'll know how the Aussies and French feel :lol:


Or the Spaniards and the Swiss. Or the Americans and the Italians. Or the Austrians and the Dutch. :lol:

I wonder how many nations, when Red Bull leaves F1, will feel like that!
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DanielPT wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Considering he spent his half-season at FR3.5 destroying the rest of the field there (that field which included one Jules Bianchi, who would have won the title easily if he was actually physically capable of stringing more than half a season together), he'll probably have no problem being right up there for the title if he switched to GP2. However, he's probably better off doing a full campaign at FR3.5 considering both categories have a similar field quality right now and he has more experience in the car.

EDIT: Turns out I got Quaife-Hobbs and Da Costa mixed up. I'll take my reject of the thread award now :oops:


(Gives Wizzie his award) :lol:

I think Da Costa will be in a Toro Rosso in 2014, if not sooner.


I almost certain that Da Costa will do a full campaign in FR3.5. And after obliterating the field in Macau GP (which by the way, was a very dark weekend for Motorsport, RIP to Phillip Yau Wing-Choi and Luis Carreira...), my guess is that if he does well, he will be rushed into a Toro Rosso seat (after a few Friday sessions) as early as next season. Don't get me wrong, usually, for a Portuguese, I would be very excited by this, but it happens that I rate Da Costa highly and I think that he is probably the most talented Portuguese driver around and, quite possibly, of all time (at least in open wheel formulae), so I would prefer him to spend more time around junior levels to gather some more experience.

Easy now - you don't want to tempt fate by throwing around too many superlatives at this stage of his career, because a great number of talented drivers have crashed and burned when trying to step up into a senior formula.
Still, I agree that the most likely scenario is that Red Bull will push Da Costa into a seat sooner rather than later at Toro Rosso - it'll probably be the case that he alternates with Ricciardo and Vergne on Friday mornings to get some time in a seat (like Bianchi at Force India), then whichever driver is judged to be performing worst will get kicked out midway through the 2013 season (going by Red Bull's normal policy with its drivers). That way, given that the FR3.5 series doesn't clash with the F1 schedule too much, Da Costa can compete within FR3.5 and build up his experience there whilst getting enough mileage in a contemporary F1 car for him to be a viable replacement at short notice.
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Frankly, the lack of talent just screams why Robert Wickens deserves a F1 drive :)
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mario wrote:Easy now - you don't want to tempt fate by throwing around too many superlatives at this stage of his career, because a great number of talented drivers have crashed and burned when trying to step up into a senior formula.


Considering that we've had Nicha Cabral, Pedro Chaves, Pedro Lamy, all three of them rejects and one lucky bastard called Tiago Monteiro, I would say it is not that difficult to be an all time great in Portugal. From those 4 I would say that Lamy is the most talented and his sports car career speaks for itself. From the lot who were recently in the lower formulae, Alvaro Parente career is now sports car, so he is good as over as an F1 prospect and Filipe Albuquerque's one has pretty much stalled at DTM. Quite possibly due to not enough funding despite his fluke win in RoC. Anyway, none of them have the winning pedigree that Da Costa has in his CV. That is why I used those superlatives. It is a lack of standard really. :P
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JeremyMcClean wrote:Frankly, the lack of talent just screams why Robert Wickens deserves a F1 drive :)


This. He beat Vergne to the FR3.5 title last year, why did he deserve a drive over Wickens?
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BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Frankly, the lack of talent just screams why Robert Wickens deserves a F1 drive :)


This. He beat Vergne to the FR3.5 title last year, why did he deserve a drive over Wickens?


Because Vergne was part of the Red Bull Young Driver Program and Wickens wasn't.
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Backmarker wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Frankly, the lack of talent just screams why Robert Wickens deserves a F1 drive :)


This. He beat Vergne to the FR3.5 title last year, why did he deserve a drive over Wickens?


Because Vergne was part of the Red Bull Young Driver Program and Wickens wasn't.


Actually Wickens was part of the Red Bull Young Driver Program for a couple of years but was dumped when Red Bull shuffle the drivers on the program (Only Hartley, Ricciardo and Vergne stayed on while Juncadella, Aleshin, Mäki and Wickens left. The year after, Kvyat and Sainz Jr joined in).
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Has Nigel Mansell ever announced his retirement from F1.... ? :lol: :roll:
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If Rubens was really willing to drive for the cost of travel and stuff at the gp weekends surely cheaper for teams to take him on? unless his jet is fuelled by the tears of an un tainted pure forum member

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Something else has also happened.

Charles Pic has today been announced as one of Caterham F1 Team's race drivers for the 2013 season and beyond. The talented French driver joins the Anglo/Malaysian team on a multi-year contract after impressing in his first season in the Formula 1 World Championship.
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He's broken the curse! Hip-hip hurray!
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GwilymJJames wrote:Something else has also happened.

Charles Pic has today been announced as one of Caterham F1 Team's race drivers for the 2013 season and beyond. The talented French driver joins the Anglo/Malaysian team on a multi-year contract after impressing in his first season in the Formula 1 World Championship.


Now THAT I didn't expect. Good on the kid for getting the gig though. Hopefully Caterham won't give him a pile of excrement to work with so he can mix it up with the midfield on a semi-regular basis next year.
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Wow, I did not expect that. Hopefully Heikki will find a seat higher up now as Petrov is rich
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That came from way beyond left field,but good on the kid.Seeing how he has done well to keep pace with Glock,who I consider to be very good,I hope this kid is the right Pic for Caterham.Cue barrage of Pic puns in 5,4,3,2...
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Wizzie wrote:
GwilymJJames wrote:Something else has also happened.

Charles Pic has today been announced as one of Caterham F1 Team's race drivers for the 2013 season and beyond. The talented French driver joins the Anglo/Malaysian team on a multi-year contract after impressing in his first season in the Formula 1 World Championship.


Now THAT I didn't expect. Good on the kid for getting the gig though. Hopefully Caterham won't give him a pile of excrement to work with so he can mix it up with the midfield on a semi-regular basis next year.


It would be very ironic if Marussia turned out to be better than Caterham next year. And given their recent form, that might not be that improbable...
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