13. Maurice Trintignant - 14
16. Maurice Trintignant - 42
Hm, i don't know what that means, but it can't be good.
F1WRCR 1952 season - driver ratings up!
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
I don't know what i want and i want it now!
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
This wrote:13. Maurice Trintignant - 14
16. Maurice Trintignant - 42
Hm, i don't know what that means, but it can't be good.
Fixed, it was Johnny Claes who was on 14.
I determined who would retire and when, and ten cars will finish the race.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
May 18th 1952, Monaco Grand Prix
Fangio, Trintignant and Bira got the best starts, but Whitehead's was just horrendous and Gonzalez took the opportunity to take the race lead, a first for a British car and for Gonzalez himself! But the frontrunners' starts were pretty average, so Whitehead was still second ahead of Farina and Bracco. In fact, Whitehead was alongside Gonzalez for the lead at the end of the lap, and Bracco was doing the same Farina's Alfa! Fangio followed in fifth place, taking advantage of Serafini's start which left him eighth.
This lead wouldn't last, as the Aston's flaws started to show. In one lap, he was passed by Whitehead (who took a large lead), Farina, Bracco and almost Fangio. But the man on the move was, believe it or not, Eric Brandon, who was already well into the top ten. However, Gonzalez was already back in third place on the next lap, just behind Whitehead and Farina, while Fangio was already fourth. But Whitehead made a mistake, and Farina took advantage of it. He took the lead from Gonzalez and Bracco, with Whitehead and Fangio immediately behind them.
But the conditions were difficult. A lot of mistakes were made. Gonzalez was in the lead again on lap 5, with Bracco second and Farina and Fangio fighting for third place. Consalvo Sanesi recorded the provisional fastest lap of the race, which was immediately bested by Harry Schell. Whitehead, meanwhile, was closing in, making it a five-way battle for the lead, with Alberto Ascari, Manfred von Brauchitsch, André Simon, Consalvo Sanesi and Eric Brandon all getting closer as well!
Fangio was the next to take the race lead, on lap 7, while Johnny Claes became the first driver to retire in 1952, the Maserati breaking down at Ste Dévote. Toulo de Graffenried then scored fastest lap, while Fangio and Farina started to establish a small lead, while the whole pack was gathering behind them.
While the fastest lap changed hands litterally every lap (Sanesi, Pagani, Simon, then Manzon), Fangio's lead was beginning to get larger. Then, he made a mistake and fell to third behind Farina and Sanesi, who was again on splendid form. But Sanesi also made a mistake and fell to fourth, behind Farina who now had a pretty good lead over Fangio and Simon, who was rocketing up the field. But positions were changing all over the order, and the Monégasque crowd was loving it!
Farina now had a safe lead, with Simon and Gonzalez fighting for second place, not something you'd have expected to see barely months ago. Whitehead joined the fight, and they started to pull away, though still far behind Farina. But the Englishman quickly fell back behind Sanesi and just ahead of de Graffenried, Fangio and Ascari. But Farina was losing pace a bit, and by lap 20, Gonzalez and Simon were right alongside him with Sanesi a short way behind. At the end of the lap, Gonzalez was back in the lead, with Simon quickly following, though, he would drop back to third just afterwards.
On lap 24, Farina was back in the lead, though it only lasted a lap, as Gonzalez was through again on the next lap by outbraking Farina at Tabac. In the process, Farina made a mistake, and Whitehead and Simon were now right behind him. Whitehead and Farina decided that enough was enough, and they both caught Gonzalez quickly. On lap 29, Farina took the lead again, with Whitehead a bit further back. Harry Schell's Ferrari was stopped by the side of the road at Mirabeau, gearbox in pieces. He was having a dreadful race in 16th place.
Then, André Simon set a provisional fastest lap to get back up to second place, passing Whitehead and Gonzalez. But that lasted for all of one lap. At the Chicane, Consalvo Sanesi span around into the straw bales under braking and at low speed, and Simon managed to avoid him, but chose the wrong side and ended up losing a lot of time, dropping to third again. Sanesi retired in the incident, from seventh position, leaving 17 cars on track.
But the incident left what appeared to be bits of straw in the Maserati's radiator, which slowed him down for a few laps, as it did Whitehead, who also chose the wrong side of Sanesi, though losing less time at the scene. At this point, all Farina had to do was manage his lead, since Gonzalez' Aston-Jaguar couldn't keep up the pace over a longer distance, although at least the car was holding up, unlike his teammate's. Taruffi's car was sitting in a pile of smoke at the Casino with a blown engine. Piero was fighting with Bracco for an anonymous 13th place.
For a few laps, Farina and Gonzalez were pretty even on pace, so the main focus was on the battle for third still raging between André Simon and Peter Whitehead. But their constant squabbling meant that they were soon joined by Fangio and Bira, who had been doing an excellent job making up the lost ground. A revelation of the weekend also retired from the race, with Eric Brandon's Ferrari-Jaguar conking out at Portier. He was in an excellent seventh position before his car started to malfunction, retiring a few laps later. Also, in a completely unrelated event, Alberto Ascari trolled the field by setting the provisional fastest lap of the race, then got counter-trolled by de Graffenried who did the same on the following lap.
In the battle for third, Fangio and Whitehead dropped back, leaving Simon and Bira in a good, fair battle. In fact, Simon was on fire and he caught and passed Gonzalez for second place just on the halfway mark. For fifth place though, the whole field was bunching up again, making for yet another large yet clean fight. One driver who wasn't in that fight though was de Graffenried, whose Ferrari was stopped in the pits with a destroyed gearbox. He was, coincidentally, in fifth position at the time.
Gonzalez passed Simon once more and began building a gap, while Bira and Manzon were breaking away from the chasing pack. Then came one of the race's turning points: Gonzalez' Aston-Jaguar stopped. Engine blown. A sad Argentine by its side. This left Farina with a huge lead over Simon, Manzon, Bira, Whitehead, Ascari, von Brauchitsch, Fangio, Ruttman, Serafini, Bracco, then daylight, then Pagani and Trintignant.
It was plainly clear that Simon was the only driver who could possibly catch Farina, which he did on lap 65 thanks to a rare mistake by Giuseppe, but on the next lap, Farina was ahead again, and he built up the gap again. In the next laps, the only incident of note was Troy Ruttman setting fastest lap, impressive compared to his overall performance, which isn't very good. The next event was von Brauchitsch slowly catching up to Manzon for third position, though that particular challenge was short-lived. In fact, Ascari was catching up and took fourth place on lap 77, while von Brauchitsch was caught by Ruttman and Bira.
While Farina rubbed it in everyone's face by setting a new fastest lap, while Ascari was now much quicker than Manzon and looking like he would take an easy podium, and sure enough, he took third position on lap 83, just when Ruttman's Ferrari stopped by the side of the road. He was in seventh place and getting caught up by Whitehead when his oil pump failed.
In fact, Ascari was getting quicker and was now catching André Simon for second place! IN A PHOENIX!!! But he was beginning to falter, and he would have to settle for third, since Manzon was now a fair way behind. In other news, Bracco's Ambrosiana gave up out of tenth position and von Brauchitsch lost control at Tabac, span off and struck the outside wall. He got out of the car himself, but was transported to the hospital for checks.
This left ten drivers with ten laps remaining: Farina, who would need some terrible luck to avoid winning the race, Simon, still hanging on beautifully in the Talbot-Lago, Ascari, on the verge of causing a huge upset, Bira, the author of a fantastic comeback drive from last place on the grid, Manzon, having done a good race and being almost certain of scoring points, Whitehead, now pretty much on his own and cruising to sixth position, Serafini and Fangio, both duelling for seventh place, with Fangio setting the fastest lap, which he would keep (therefore scoring an extra point), then Trintignant and Pagani, both a long way back.
But Simon wasn't finished. Somehow, he found some unbelievable pace while Farina was cruising. The mechanics were literally already celebrating their victory while Simon was going faster and faster. He started catching up, and sure enough, by lap 95, Simon was stunning the crowd by taking an improbable lead. Of course, with all his experience, Farina fought back, but despite his Alfa's superiority, his raw pace was no match for Simon's, and the two were literally side by side to start the final lap of the race!
Simon had the inside line at the Gazomètre and passed Farina under braking, but Giuseppe did the same to Simon at Sainte Dévote! Through Casino Square, they were side by side, but coming down to Mirabeau, Farina looked for a gap on the outside, but André defended his position fairly. Farina touched the street curb with his tyre and was sent spinning around! Thankfully, he avoided an accident thanks to tremendous car control, but he stalled and took some time restarting the car. The defending double-champion would have to admit defeat against the 32-year-old Frenchman, who took his first victory, and the first for his team since the Belgian Grand Prix last year, also the first Talbot-Lago victory since that very same race.
1. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) 3:06:23.2
2. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +55.9
3. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) +3 laps
4. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +3 laps
5. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +3 laps
6. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +5 laps
7. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +6 laps
8. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +6 laps
9. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) +8 laps
10. Nello Pagani (Maserati) +9 laps
Ret. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) +16 laps/Accident
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +19 laps/Overheating
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) +21 laps/Oil pump
Ret. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +45 laps/Engine
Ret. Toulo de Grafffenried (Ferrari) +54 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) +63 laps/Handling
Ret. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +69 laps/Engine
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +72 laps/Spun off
Ret. Harry Schell (Ferrari) +76 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Johnny Claes (Maserati) +94 laps/Oil line
Fastest lap: Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 1:45.7
Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. André Simon - 8
2. Giuseppe Farina - 6
3. Alberto Ascari - 4
4. Robert Manzon - 3
5. B. Bira - 2
6. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1
Constructor's championship
1. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 8
2. Alfa Romeo - 6
3. Phoenix-Ferrari - 4
4. Gordini - 3
Entrant's championship
1. Motorsport Bleu - 8
2. Alfa Romeo SpA - 6
3. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 4
4. Alexander Racing Team - 3
My exams are starting next week, so this series will be on hold for the next few weeks. By all means though, keep posting, it's what keeps this series alive.
Fangio, Trintignant and Bira got the best starts, but Whitehead's was just horrendous and Gonzalez took the opportunity to take the race lead, a first for a British car and for Gonzalez himself! But the frontrunners' starts were pretty average, so Whitehead was still second ahead of Farina and Bracco. In fact, Whitehead was alongside Gonzalez for the lead at the end of the lap, and Bracco was doing the same Farina's Alfa! Fangio followed in fifth place, taking advantage of Serafini's start which left him eighth.
This lead wouldn't last, as the Aston's flaws started to show. In one lap, he was passed by Whitehead (who took a large lead), Farina, Bracco and almost Fangio. But the man on the move was, believe it or not, Eric Brandon, who was already well into the top ten. However, Gonzalez was already back in third place on the next lap, just behind Whitehead and Farina, while Fangio was already fourth. But Whitehead made a mistake, and Farina took advantage of it. He took the lead from Gonzalez and Bracco, with Whitehead and Fangio immediately behind them.
But the conditions were difficult. A lot of mistakes were made. Gonzalez was in the lead again on lap 5, with Bracco second and Farina and Fangio fighting for third place. Consalvo Sanesi recorded the provisional fastest lap of the race, which was immediately bested by Harry Schell. Whitehead, meanwhile, was closing in, making it a five-way battle for the lead, with Alberto Ascari, Manfred von Brauchitsch, André Simon, Consalvo Sanesi and Eric Brandon all getting closer as well!
Fangio was the next to take the race lead, on lap 7, while Johnny Claes became the first driver to retire in 1952, the Maserati breaking down at Ste Dévote. Toulo de Graffenried then scored fastest lap, while Fangio and Farina started to establish a small lead, while the whole pack was gathering behind them.
While the fastest lap changed hands litterally every lap (Sanesi, Pagani, Simon, then Manzon), Fangio's lead was beginning to get larger. Then, he made a mistake and fell to third behind Farina and Sanesi, who was again on splendid form. But Sanesi also made a mistake and fell to fourth, behind Farina who now had a pretty good lead over Fangio and Simon, who was rocketing up the field. But positions were changing all over the order, and the Monégasque crowd was loving it!
Farina now had a safe lead, with Simon and Gonzalez fighting for second place, not something you'd have expected to see barely months ago. Whitehead joined the fight, and they started to pull away, though still far behind Farina. But the Englishman quickly fell back behind Sanesi and just ahead of de Graffenried, Fangio and Ascari. But Farina was losing pace a bit, and by lap 20, Gonzalez and Simon were right alongside him with Sanesi a short way behind. At the end of the lap, Gonzalez was back in the lead, with Simon quickly following, though, he would drop back to third just afterwards.
On lap 24, Farina was back in the lead, though it only lasted a lap, as Gonzalez was through again on the next lap by outbraking Farina at Tabac. In the process, Farina made a mistake, and Whitehead and Simon were now right behind him. Whitehead and Farina decided that enough was enough, and they both caught Gonzalez quickly. On lap 29, Farina took the lead again, with Whitehead a bit further back. Harry Schell's Ferrari was stopped by the side of the road at Mirabeau, gearbox in pieces. He was having a dreadful race in 16th place.
Then, André Simon set a provisional fastest lap to get back up to second place, passing Whitehead and Gonzalez. But that lasted for all of one lap. At the Chicane, Consalvo Sanesi span around into the straw bales under braking and at low speed, and Simon managed to avoid him, but chose the wrong side and ended up losing a lot of time, dropping to third again. Sanesi retired in the incident, from seventh position, leaving 17 cars on track.
But the incident left what appeared to be bits of straw in the Maserati's radiator, which slowed him down for a few laps, as it did Whitehead, who also chose the wrong side of Sanesi, though losing less time at the scene. At this point, all Farina had to do was manage his lead, since Gonzalez' Aston-Jaguar couldn't keep up the pace over a longer distance, although at least the car was holding up, unlike his teammate's. Taruffi's car was sitting in a pile of smoke at the Casino with a blown engine. Piero was fighting with Bracco for an anonymous 13th place.
For a few laps, Farina and Gonzalez were pretty even on pace, so the main focus was on the battle for third still raging between André Simon and Peter Whitehead. But their constant squabbling meant that they were soon joined by Fangio and Bira, who had been doing an excellent job making up the lost ground. A revelation of the weekend also retired from the race, with Eric Brandon's Ferrari-Jaguar conking out at Portier. He was in an excellent seventh position before his car started to malfunction, retiring a few laps later. Also, in a completely unrelated event, Alberto Ascari trolled the field by setting the provisional fastest lap of the race, then got counter-trolled by de Graffenried who did the same on the following lap.
In the battle for third, Fangio and Whitehead dropped back, leaving Simon and Bira in a good, fair battle. In fact, Simon was on fire and he caught and passed Gonzalez for second place just on the halfway mark. For fifth place though, the whole field was bunching up again, making for yet another large yet clean fight. One driver who wasn't in that fight though was de Graffenried, whose Ferrari was stopped in the pits with a destroyed gearbox. He was, coincidentally, in fifth position at the time.
Gonzalez passed Simon once more and began building a gap, while Bira and Manzon were breaking away from the chasing pack. Then came one of the race's turning points: Gonzalez' Aston-Jaguar stopped. Engine blown. A sad Argentine by its side. This left Farina with a huge lead over Simon, Manzon, Bira, Whitehead, Ascari, von Brauchitsch, Fangio, Ruttman, Serafini, Bracco, then daylight, then Pagani and Trintignant.
It was plainly clear that Simon was the only driver who could possibly catch Farina, which he did on lap 65 thanks to a rare mistake by Giuseppe, but on the next lap, Farina was ahead again, and he built up the gap again. In the next laps, the only incident of note was Troy Ruttman setting fastest lap, impressive compared to his overall performance, which isn't very good. The next event was von Brauchitsch slowly catching up to Manzon for third position, though that particular challenge was short-lived. In fact, Ascari was catching up and took fourth place on lap 77, while von Brauchitsch was caught by Ruttman and Bira.
While Farina rubbed it in everyone's face by setting a new fastest lap, while Ascari was now much quicker than Manzon and looking like he would take an easy podium, and sure enough, he took third position on lap 83, just when Ruttman's Ferrari stopped by the side of the road. He was in seventh place and getting caught up by Whitehead when his oil pump failed.
In fact, Ascari was getting quicker and was now catching André Simon for second place! IN A PHOENIX!!! But he was beginning to falter, and he would have to settle for third, since Manzon was now a fair way behind. In other news, Bracco's Ambrosiana gave up out of tenth position and von Brauchitsch lost control at Tabac, span off and struck the outside wall. He got out of the car himself, but was transported to the hospital for checks.
This left ten drivers with ten laps remaining: Farina, who would need some terrible luck to avoid winning the race, Simon, still hanging on beautifully in the Talbot-Lago, Ascari, on the verge of causing a huge upset, Bira, the author of a fantastic comeback drive from last place on the grid, Manzon, having done a good race and being almost certain of scoring points, Whitehead, now pretty much on his own and cruising to sixth position, Serafini and Fangio, both duelling for seventh place, with Fangio setting the fastest lap, which he would keep (therefore scoring an extra point), then Trintignant and Pagani, both a long way back.
But Simon wasn't finished. Somehow, he found some unbelievable pace while Farina was cruising. The mechanics were literally already celebrating their victory while Simon was going faster and faster. He started catching up, and sure enough, by lap 95, Simon was stunning the crowd by taking an improbable lead. Of course, with all his experience, Farina fought back, but despite his Alfa's superiority, his raw pace was no match for Simon's, and the two were literally side by side to start the final lap of the race!
Simon had the inside line at the Gazomètre and passed Farina under braking, but Giuseppe did the same to Simon at Sainte Dévote! Through Casino Square, they were side by side, but coming down to Mirabeau, Farina looked for a gap on the outside, but André defended his position fairly. Farina touched the street curb with his tyre and was sent spinning around! Thankfully, he avoided an accident thanks to tremendous car control, but he stalled and took some time restarting the car. The defending double-champion would have to admit defeat against the 32-year-old Frenchman, who took his first victory, and the first for his team since the Belgian Grand Prix last year, also the first Talbot-Lago victory since that very same race.
1. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) 3:06:23.2
2. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +55.9
3. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) +3 laps
4. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +3 laps
5. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +3 laps
6. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +5 laps
7. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +6 laps
8. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +6 laps
9. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) +8 laps
10. Nello Pagani (Maserati) +9 laps
Ret. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) +16 laps/Accident
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +19 laps/Overheating
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) +21 laps/Oil pump
Ret. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +45 laps/Engine
Ret. Toulo de Grafffenried (Ferrari) +54 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) +63 laps/Handling
Ret. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +69 laps/Engine
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +72 laps/Spun off
Ret. Harry Schell (Ferrari) +76 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Johnny Claes (Maserati) +94 laps/Oil line
Fastest lap: Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 1:45.7
Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. André Simon - 8
2. Giuseppe Farina - 6
3. Alberto Ascari - 4
4. Robert Manzon - 3
5. B. Bira - 2
6. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1
Constructor's championship
1. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 8
2. Alfa Romeo - 6
3. Phoenix-Ferrari - 4
4. Gordini - 3
Entrant's championship
1. Motorsport Bleu - 8
2. Alfa Romeo SpA - 6
3. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 4
4. Alexander Racing Team - 3
My exams are starting next week, so this series will be on hold for the next few weeks. By all means though, keep posting, it's what keeps this series alive.
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
Simon Redman wrote:That was a superb race, though it wasn't so superb for us...
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
A podium? Now how the hell did THAT happen? 
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
Andre Simon wrote:I didn't believe on my chances of winning this race before the weekend. But the whole weekend has been great, the car worked perfectly on this circuit. I tried to keep cool, this is always a long race. It was a great privilege to meet Prince Rainier III after the race. I hope I will get to drive in every race, and with this result I gave other teams good showing on my abilities.
B.Bira wrote:Obviously I'm very happy on behalf of Andre and the whole team. This time we could do appropriate winning party, unlike in Belgium last year as we knew about Fagioli's condition on that day. This was a good start for the season and I look forward for the remainder of the season.
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
I edited the first post to show which teams still have a few spare entries this season.
For Donington, every entry so far is accepted. The only questionable entry was Paul Frère, but the fact he's in a works Maserati is enough to get him the spot.
I also noticed that Phoenix is yet to enter any race apart from Monaco, which would be a shame after Ascari's podium...
For Donington, every entry so far is accepted. The only questionable entry was Paul Frère, but the fact he's in a works Maserati is enough to get him the spot.
I also noticed that Phoenix is yet to enter any race apart from Monaco, which would be a shame after Ascari's podium...
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
tommykl wrote:I edited the first post to show which teams still have a few spare entries this season.
For Donington, every entry so far is accepted. The only questionable entry was Paul Frère, but the fact he's in a works Maserati is enough to get him the spot.
I also noticed that Phoenix is yet to enter any race apart from Monaco, which would be a shame after Ascari's podium...
Ooops... my initial plan was to enter on a race-by-race basis, but since I had little to no time to access the forum lately, I forgot about that. Can I still enter Ascari for the next race?
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
Phoenix wrote:tommykl wrote:I edited the first post to show which teams still have a few spare entries this season.
For Donington, every entry so far is accepted. The only questionable entry was Paul Frère, but the fact he's in a works Maserati is enough to get him the spot.
I also noticed that Phoenix is yet to enter any race apart from Monaco, which would be a shame after Ascari's podium...
Ooops... my initial plan was to enter on a race-by-race basis, but since I had little to no time to access the forum lately, I forgot about that. Can I still enter Ascari for the next race?
Of course you can, when did I say the entry list was closed?
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
tommykl wrote:Phoenix wrote:tommykl wrote:I edited the first post to show which teams still have a few spare entries this season.
For Donington, every entry so far is accepted. The only questionable entry was Paul Frère, but the fact he's in a works Maserati is enough to get him the spot.
I also noticed that Phoenix is yet to enter any race apart from Monaco, which would be a shame after Ascari's podium...
Ooops... my initial plan was to enter on a race-by-race basis, but since I had little to no time to access the forum lately, I forgot about that. Can I still enter Ascari for the next race?
Of course you can, when did I say the entry list was closed?
Excellent, I'll enter him for the remaining races of the season.
PS: 7000th post!
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Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
It has been announced that Rudi Fischer will drive for Commesso in two or three races when he isn't racing for IRG. The races are not determined yet.
Spoke to Grovey in real life about this and he was ok with it
Spoke to Grovey in real life about this and he was ok with it
aerond wrote:Yes RDD, but we always knew you never had any sort of taste either
tommykl wrote:I have a shite car and meme sponsors, but Corrado Fabi will carry me to the promised land with the power of Lionel Richie.
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
Hampshire Racing Alliance will be entering John Riseley-Prichard and Ivor Bueb alongside David Hampshire for the English Grand Prix, if this is okay.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
My team will skip England but will race at Belgium and France
The amount of WHINCUPWINSLOL is too damn high
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
East Londoner wrote:Hampshire Racing Alliance will be entering John Riseley-Prichard and Ivor Bueb alongside David Hampshire for the English Grand Prix, if this is okay.
Only Riseley-Prichard is accepted, since he's already done a couple of sportscar races in 1951 with nothing embarassing, though, this will only be to evaluate his performance. Bueb won't start racing until August 1952, so he doesn't qualify for a license yet.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season
My last exam is on Monday, so you have until then to add any more entries for Donington.
Also, remember you can still propose changes in the way the championship is run, since there is no game-defined limit. I'll take any proposals into account and see what I can do with them.
Also, remember you can still propose changes in the way the championship is run, since there is no game-defined limit. I'll take any proposals into account and see what I can do with them.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington entries close Monday!
Exams over; entry list closed!
I'll run pre-qualifying tomorrow. I reset the pre-qualifying roster every two races, so here are the drivers who go straight to qualifying:
Giuseppe Farina
Toulo de Graffenried
Dorino Serafini
Consalvo Sanesi
Robert Manzon
Reg Parnell
Maurice Trintignant
Troy Ruttman
André Pilette
B. Bira
Nello Pagani
Juan Manuel Fangio
Stirling Moss
Manfred von Brauchitsch
Harry Schell
Piero Taruffi
Giovanni Bracco
Johnny Claes
André Simon
Jacques Swaters
Which means that the remaining 15 drivers will go through pre-qualifying. The top 8 will go to qualifying.
Joe Kelly
Tony Rolt
Louis Chiron
Geoff Richardson
David Hampshire
Lance Macklin
José Froilan Gonzalez
Ken Wharton
Paul Frère
Onofre Marimon
Clemente Biondetti
Eric Brandon
Porfirio Rubirosa
Alberto Ascari
John Riseley-Prichard
I'll run pre-qualifying tomorrow. I reset the pre-qualifying roster every two races, so here are the drivers who go straight to qualifying:
Giuseppe Farina
Toulo de Graffenried
Dorino Serafini
Consalvo Sanesi
Robert Manzon
Reg Parnell
Maurice Trintignant
Troy Ruttman
André Pilette
B. Bira
Nello Pagani
Juan Manuel Fangio
Stirling Moss
Manfred von Brauchitsch
Harry Schell
Piero Taruffi
Giovanni Bracco
Johnny Claes
André Simon
Jacques Swaters
Which means that the remaining 15 drivers will go through pre-qualifying. The top 8 will go to qualifying.
Joe Kelly
Tony Rolt
Louis Chiron
Geoff Richardson
David Hampshire
Lance Macklin
José Froilan Gonzalez
Ken Wharton
Paul Frère
Onofre Marimon
Clemente Biondetti
Eric Brandon
Porfirio Rubirosa
Alberto Ascari
John Riseley-Prichard
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Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington pre-qualifiers known!
May 31st 1952, English Grand Prix pre-qualifying
After the surprise of André Simon's maiden victory at Monaco, Formula 1 visits the Donington Circuit for the English Grand Prix. This is the first of two races held in Great Britain this year, and it sees the return of the Donington Park circuit after 13 years of being a military vehicle depot. The circuit is short, around 3.5 km, and therefore only 20 cars will start the race, as in Monaco. 35 cars will compete this weekend, including nine British drivers and an Irishman.
2. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
4. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
6. André Simon (Motorsport Bleu)
8. Tony Rolt (Motorsport Bleu)
10. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
12. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
14. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
16. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
18. Geoff Richardson (Team Bentley)
20. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
22. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
24. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
26. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
28. Lance Macklin (Claes Racing Developments)
30. Harry Schell (Ferrari America)
32. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America)
34. José Froilan Gonzalez (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
36. Piero Taruffi (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
38. Ken Wharton (Birmingham Motorsports)
40. Paul Frère (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
42. Onofre Marimon (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
44. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
46. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
48. Eric Brandon (Scuderia Maremmana)
50. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti Grand Prix)
52. André Pilette (Bugatti Grand Prix)
54. Jacques Swaters (Ecurie Nationale Belge)
56. Nello Pagani (Redman Racing Team)
58. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
60. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
62. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
64. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
66. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
68. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
70. John Riseley-Prichard (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
The main manufacturers, Alfa Romeo and Ferrari, had a mixed weekend in Monaco. Moss failed to qualify the Alfa Romeo, and only Farina managed to finish in the points, with a second place, while Fangio managed to score the fastest lap before retiring from the race. As usual for Ferrari, the third car is now in the hands of Reg Parnell, who will want to repeat his performance from last season's German Grand Prix.
Motorsport Bleu were, of course, the talking point at Monaco, where they finished first and fifth. The French team have entered a third car for local hero Tony Rolt, who will have to go through pre-qualifying to make it to the grid for his home race.
Scuderia Maremmana also had a mixed weekend in Monaco, where Biondetti failed to qualify, while von Brauchitsch and Brandon showed a decent amount of pace, especially Brandon, who looks like a potential regular points finisher. It's all the more intriguing that the team will miss half the races...
Garage Francorchamps had one of the most miserable weekends of them all in Monaco, with Chaboud and Pilette failing to qualify and Trintignant finishing 8 laps down. This time, Swaters steps in for Chaboud, and hopes to qualify and have a decent race in the Maserati.
ART had a silent race in Monaco, but did well, with Manzon finishing fourth and scoring three points from the start, a nice place to start the season. Claes also were discreet, but also underwhelming, with Claes' engine exploding before he could do anything of note and Macklin failing to qualify. In the exact middle were Ferrari America, who did precisely nothing. All three will be looking for more points in Donington.
JAMR had undoubtedly their best race to date, with Gonzalez marching through pre-qualifying, qualifying on the front row and leading part of the race before sadly retiring. The Argentine will still have to compete in pre-qualifying, but it shouldn't be a problem for him to make it through.
Undoubtedly, the disappointment of Monaco was the return of Maserati as a works team, that ended in complete failure to even pre-qualify. The gamble of choosing Marimon and Frère ended up a bad one in the short term. Can they turn their form around and at least pre-qualify in Donington?
Scuderia Ambrosiana had a good weekend overall, with Bracco somehow hauling his car up to fourth position on the grid, although eventually dropping through the order like a brick, while Rubirosa expectedly failed to pre-qualify by a substantial margin. Making the grid is a good objective for the Italian, while the Dominican will try his best to make it to qualifying.
All-Ireland Motorsport, after missing Monaco, are very much present at Donington, with their supposedly more competitive ERA-Maserati. Joe Kelly will attempt to clear pre-qualifying and hopefully set some competitive lap times.
Scuderia Commesso, after their positive end to 1951, started the same way that they did in 1951: not making the grid. Chiron will want to forget his counter-performance and make the grid for the first time this year.
Bentley also make their first appearance this season, again with Geoff Richardson behind the wheel. They'll be looking to make it through to main qualifying for their home race.
David Hampshire decided to offer his second Alta to young John Riseley-Prichard, who'll be looking to impress any potential future employers, while Hampshire will want to make the grid for the first time this season.
Another team that is making its début this weekend is Birmingham Motorsport, fielding an Alta for Ken Wharton. With a field of world-class drivers and a small starting grid, making an impact will be difficult, but he'll be looking to impress.
Finally, Phoenix was the big surprise at Monaco, with Alberto Ascari somehow scoring a comfortable podium finish. Previously, the team appeared to be in financial trouble and was renewing its entry race-per-race. This huge boost could see them last much longer.
After the surprise of André Simon's maiden victory at Monaco, Formula 1 visits the Donington Circuit for the English Grand Prix. This is the first of two races held in Great Britain this year, and it sees the return of the Donington Park circuit after 13 years of being a military vehicle depot. The circuit is short, around 3.5 km, and therefore only 20 cars will start the race, as in Monaco. 35 cars will compete this weekend, including nine British drivers and an Irishman.
2. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
4. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
6. André Simon (Motorsport Bleu)
8. Tony Rolt (Motorsport Bleu)
10. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
12. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
14. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
16. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
18. Geoff Richardson (Team Bentley)
20. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
22. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
24. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
26. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
28. Lance Macklin (Claes Racing Developments)
30. Harry Schell (Ferrari America)
32. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America)
34. José Froilan Gonzalez (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
36. Piero Taruffi (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
38. Ken Wharton (Birmingham Motorsports)
40. Paul Frère (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
42. Onofre Marimon (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
44. Clemente Biondetti (Scuderia Maremmana)
46. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Maremmana)
48. Eric Brandon (Scuderia Maremmana)
50. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti Grand Prix)
52. André Pilette (Bugatti Grand Prix)
54. Jacques Swaters (Ecurie Nationale Belge)
56. Nello Pagani (Redman Racing Team)
58. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
60. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
62. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
64. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
66. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
68. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
70. John Riseley-Prichard (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
The main manufacturers, Alfa Romeo and Ferrari, had a mixed weekend in Monaco. Moss failed to qualify the Alfa Romeo, and only Farina managed to finish in the points, with a second place, while Fangio managed to score the fastest lap before retiring from the race. As usual for Ferrari, the third car is now in the hands of Reg Parnell, who will want to repeat his performance from last season's German Grand Prix.
Motorsport Bleu were, of course, the talking point at Monaco, where they finished first and fifth. The French team have entered a third car for local hero Tony Rolt, who will have to go through pre-qualifying to make it to the grid for his home race.
Scuderia Maremmana also had a mixed weekend in Monaco, where Biondetti failed to qualify, while von Brauchitsch and Brandon showed a decent amount of pace, especially Brandon, who looks like a potential regular points finisher. It's all the more intriguing that the team will miss half the races...
Garage Francorchamps had one of the most miserable weekends of them all in Monaco, with Chaboud and Pilette failing to qualify and Trintignant finishing 8 laps down. This time, Swaters steps in for Chaboud, and hopes to qualify and have a decent race in the Maserati.
ART had a silent race in Monaco, but did well, with Manzon finishing fourth and scoring three points from the start, a nice place to start the season. Claes also were discreet, but also underwhelming, with Claes' engine exploding before he could do anything of note and Macklin failing to qualify. In the exact middle were Ferrari America, who did precisely nothing. All three will be looking for more points in Donington.
JAMR had undoubtedly their best race to date, with Gonzalez marching through pre-qualifying, qualifying on the front row and leading part of the race before sadly retiring. The Argentine will still have to compete in pre-qualifying, but it shouldn't be a problem for him to make it through.
Undoubtedly, the disappointment of Monaco was the return of Maserati as a works team, that ended in complete failure to even pre-qualify. The gamble of choosing Marimon and Frère ended up a bad one in the short term. Can they turn their form around and at least pre-qualify in Donington?
Scuderia Ambrosiana had a good weekend overall, with Bracco somehow hauling his car up to fourth position on the grid, although eventually dropping through the order like a brick, while Rubirosa expectedly failed to pre-qualify by a substantial margin. Making the grid is a good objective for the Italian, while the Dominican will try his best to make it to qualifying.
All-Ireland Motorsport, after missing Monaco, are very much present at Donington, with their supposedly more competitive ERA-Maserati. Joe Kelly will attempt to clear pre-qualifying and hopefully set some competitive lap times.
Scuderia Commesso, after their positive end to 1951, started the same way that they did in 1951: not making the grid. Chiron will want to forget his counter-performance and make the grid for the first time this year.
Bentley also make their first appearance this season, again with Geoff Richardson behind the wheel. They'll be looking to make it through to main qualifying for their home race.
David Hampshire decided to offer his second Alta to young John Riseley-Prichard, who'll be looking to impress any potential future employers, while Hampshire will want to make the grid for the first time this season.
Another team that is making its début this weekend is Birmingham Motorsport, fielding an Alta for Ken Wharton. With a field of world-class drivers and a small starting grid, making an impact will be difficult, but he'll be looking to impress.
Finally, Phoenix was the big surprise at Monaco, with Alberto Ascari somehow scoring a comfortable podium finish. Previously, the team appeared to be in financial trouble and was renewing its entry race-per-race. This huge boost could see them last much longer.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington pre-qualifiers known!
Pre-qualifying performance, before adjustments.
John Riseley-Prichard - 89
Clemente Biondetti - 92
Eric Brandon - 92
José Froilan Gonzalez - 93
Paul Frère - 93
Alberto Ascari - 94
Ken Wharton - 98
David Hampshire - 100
Joe Kelly - 101
Louis Chiron - 101
Porfirio Rubirosa - 103
Geoff Richardson - 105
Lance Macklin - 105
Onofre Marimon - 111
Tony Rolt - 113
Remember, only the top eight go to qualifying.
John Riseley-Prichard - 89
Clemente Biondetti - 92
Eric Brandon - 92
José Froilan Gonzalez - 93
Paul Frère - 93
Alberto Ascari - 94
Ken Wharton - 98
David Hampshire - 100
Joe Kelly - 101
Louis Chiron - 101
Porfirio Rubirosa - 103
Geoff Richardson - 105
Lance Macklin - 105
Onofre Marimon - 111
Tony Rolt - 113
Remember, only the top eight go to qualifying.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington pre-qualifiers known!
Looking at this,it cannot go well for me.
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What did she do in her past life to deserve this?
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Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington pre-qualifiers known!
An outdated chassis, and Wharton performing slightly under the expected level.
Yep, it'll be a DNQ.
Yep, it'll be a DNQ.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington pre-qualifiers known!
Oops, I made a uh-oh.
I used the original Donington layout as track length, but it actually was nearly 2km longer in its last pre-war incarnation. That means that:
-The race will now be 80 laps long.
-24 cars will make the grid.
-11 drivers will go through pre-qualifying instead of 15.
-3 drivers will fail to pre-qualify.
The four lucky bastards who get to skip it are:
José Froilan Gonzalez
Louis Chiron
Clemente Biondetti
Alberto Ascari
And therefore, here are the adjusted ratings for pre-qualifying:
John Riseley-Prichard - 89
Eric Brandon - 92
Paul Frère - 93
Ken Wharton - 98
David Hampshire - 100
Joe Kelly - 101
Porfirio Rubirosa - 103
Geoff Richardson - 105
Lance Macklin - 105
Onofre Marimon - 111
Tony Rolt - 113
And Nuppiz, the lower the score, the better the performance
I used the original Donington layout as track length, but it actually was nearly 2km longer in its last pre-war incarnation. That means that:
-The race will now be 80 laps long.
-24 cars will make the grid.
-11 drivers will go through pre-qualifying instead of 15.
-3 drivers will fail to pre-qualify.
The four lucky bastards who get to skip it are:
José Froilan Gonzalez
Louis Chiron
Clemente Biondetti
Alberto Ascari
And therefore, here are the adjusted ratings for pre-qualifying:
John Riseley-Prichard - 89
Eric Brandon - 92
Paul Frère - 93
Ken Wharton - 98
David Hampshire - 100
Joe Kelly - 101
Porfirio Rubirosa - 103
Geoff Richardson - 105
Lance Macklin - 105
Onofre Marimon - 111
Tony Rolt - 113
And Nuppiz, the lower the score, the better the performance
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: F1WCR 1952 season - Donington pre-qualifiers known!
tommykl wrote:And Nuppiz, the lower the score, the better the performance
Ah, so it was that way around. Well, I hope he can make miracles with that Alta.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
Poor Onofre...
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
Pre-qualifying results
1. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:13.6
2. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 2:13.9
3. John Riseley-Prichard (Alta) - 2:15.1
4. David Hampshire (Alta) - 2:15.5
5. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 2:15.7
6. Joe Kelly (ERA-Maserati) - 2:16.0
7. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 2:16.1
8. Ken Wharton (Alta) - 2:16.5
9. Onofre Marimon (Maserati) - 2:16.6
10. Geoff Richardson (Bentley) - 2:16.7
11. Tony Rolt (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 2:16.8
So, two big names eliminated, with Rolt and Marimon not living up to expectations, while Kelly, Rubirosa, Wharton and Hampshire will be very pleased at making it to qualifying.
1. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:13.6
2. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 2:13.9
3. John Riseley-Prichard (Alta) - 2:15.1
4. David Hampshire (Alta) - 2:15.5
5. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 2:15.7
6. Joe Kelly (ERA-Maserati) - 2:16.0
7. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 2:16.1
8. Ken Wharton (Alta) - 2:16.5
9. Onofre Marimon (Maserati) - 2:16.6
10. Geoff Richardson (Bentley) - 2:16.7
11. Tony Rolt (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 2:16.8
So, two big names eliminated, with Rolt and Marimon not living up to expectations, while Kelly, Rubirosa, Wharton and Hampshire will be very pleased at making it to qualifying.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
Phew, that was a close shave!
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
Performance ratings for qualifying.
Stirling Moss - 90
Eric Brandon - 91
José Froilan Gonzalez - 92
Ken Wharton - 92
Robert Manzon - 93
Louis Chiron - 94
André Pilette - 95
Porfirio Rubirosa - 95
David Hampshire - 96
Joe Kelly - 97
Troy Ruttman - 98
Lance Macklin - 99
B. Bira - 100
Nello Pagani - 100
Juan Manuel Fangio - 101
Paul Frère - 101
Dorino Serafini - 103
Manfred von Brauchitsch - 103
Maurice Trintignant - 104
Giovanni Bracco - 104
Giuseppe Farina - 107
Toulo de Graffenried - 108
André Simon - 109
Consalvo Sanesi - 109
John Riseley-Prichard - 109
Harry Schell - 111
Clemente Biondetti - 111
Johnny Claes - 112
Reg Parnell - 114
Piero Taruffi - 115
Jacques Swaters - 117
Alberto Ascari - 117
Predictions?
Stirling Moss - 90
Eric Brandon - 91
José Froilan Gonzalez - 92
Ken Wharton - 92
Robert Manzon - 93
Louis Chiron - 94
André Pilette - 95
Porfirio Rubirosa - 95
David Hampshire - 96
Joe Kelly - 97
Troy Ruttman - 98
Lance Macklin - 99
B. Bira - 100
Nello Pagani - 100
Juan Manuel Fangio - 101
Paul Frère - 101
Dorino Serafini - 103
Manfred von Brauchitsch - 103
Maurice Trintignant - 104
Giovanni Bracco - 104
Giuseppe Farina - 107
Toulo de Graffenried - 108
André Simon - 109
Consalvo Sanesi - 109
John Riseley-Prichard - 109
Harry Schell - 111
Clemente Biondetti - 111
Johnny Claes - 112
Reg Parnell - 114
Piero Taruffi - 115
Jacques Swaters - 117
Alberto Ascari - 117
Predictions?
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
92? I guess there is a small chance of making the grid, then!
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
June 1st 1952, English Grand Prix qualifying
1. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) - 2:10.5
2. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 2:10.6
3. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) - 2:11.3
4. André Pilette (Bugatti) - 2:11.5
5. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 2:11.5
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 2:11.6
7. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 2:11.7
8. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) - 2:11.8
9. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) - 2:11.9
10. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:12.0
11. Nello Pagani (Maserati) - 2:12.1
12. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) - 2:12.2
13. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) - 2:12.3
14. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:12.6
15. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) - 2:12.7
16. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) - 2:12.7
17. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 2:13.0
18. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) - 2:13.1
19. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 2:13.2
20. Harry Schell (Ferrari) - 2:13.4
21. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 2:13.5
22. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 2:13.5
23. David Hampshire (Alta) - 2:13.5
24. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 2:13.6
25. Johnny Claes (Maserati) - 2:13.9
26. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:13.9
27. Joe Kelly (ERA-Maserati) - 2:14.0
28. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 2:14.1
29. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) - 2:14.2
30. Ken Wharton (Alta) - 2:14.3
31. Jacques Swaters (Maserati) - 2:14.8
32. John Riseley-Prichard (Alta) - 2:16.2
While the main manufacturers had a relatively bad qualifying session, thinking their times would be quick enough, then getting assailed by the other drivers setting competitive times later in the session, it was Stirling Moss who scored his maiden pole position at his home race, ahead of Robert Manzon, who continues a good season start for ART, Chiron, again impressive for Commesso, and Pilette, who scored the best grid position for a Bugatti.
Other good surprises are Eric Brandon, who qualifies in the top ten, Lance Macklin and David Hampshire starting their home race and Porfirio Rubirosa making his first race start! The major disappointments are undoubtedly Claes, Biondetti, Taruffi, Ascari and Swsters, all big names ejected in qualifying. Luckily for them, John Riseley-Prichard had the decency to be absolutely nowhere after his brilliant performance in prequalifying. Ken Wharton and Joe Kelly were both impressive as well, actually coming within a second of making the grid!
1. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) - 2:10.5
2. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 2:10.6
3. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) - 2:11.3
4. André Pilette (Bugatti) - 2:11.5
5. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 2:11.5
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 2:11.6
7. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 2:11.7
8. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) - 2:11.8
9. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) - 2:11.9
10. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:12.0
11. Nello Pagani (Maserati) - 2:12.1
12. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) - 2:12.2
13. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) - 2:12.3
14. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:12.6
15. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) - 2:12.7
16. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) - 2:12.7
17. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 2:13.0
18. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) - 2:13.1
19. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 2:13.2
20. Harry Schell (Ferrari) - 2:13.4
21. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 2:13.5
22. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 2:13.5
23. David Hampshire (Alta) - 2:13.5
24. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 2:13.6
25. Johnny Claes (Maserati) - 2:13.9
26. Clemente Biondetti (Ferrari-Jaguar) - 2:13.9
27. Joe Kelly (ERA-Maserati) - 2:14.0
28. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 2:14.1
29. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) - 2:14.2
30. Ken Wharton (Alta) - 2:14.3
31. Jacques Swaters (Maserati) - 2:14.8
32. John Riseley-Prichard (Alta) - 2:16.2
While the main manufacturers had a relatively bad qualifying session, thinking their times would be quick enough, then getting assailed by the other drivers setting competitive times later in the session, it was Stirling Moss who scored his maiden pole position at his home race, ahead of Robert Manzon, who continues a good season start for ART, Chiron, again impressive for Commesso, and Pilette, who scored the best grid position for a Bugatti.
Other good surprises are Eric Brandon, who qualifies in the top ten, Lance Macklin and David Hampshire starting their home race and Porfirio Rubirosa making his first race start! The major disappointments are undoubtedly Claes, Biondetti, Taruffi, Ascari and Swsters, all big names ejected in qualifying. Luckily for them, John Riseley-Prichard had the decency to be absolutely nowhere after his brilliant performance in prequalifying. Ken Wharton and Joe Kelly were both impressive as well, actually coming within a second of making the grid!
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington pre-q performance up!
Stirling Moss finally getting a good qualifying performance! It was due because I got massively disappointed from his last one...
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington qualifying up!
Here are the race performances for the 24 drivers. This is not taking into account eventual retirements, driver skill, car performance or starting positions. The lower the score, the better, average being 0.
Paul Frère -46
David Hampshire -33
Lance Macklin -30
Eric Brandon -30
B. Bira -27
Stirling Moss -22
Troy Ruttman -19
Robert Manzon -18
Giuseppe Farina -16
Nello Pagani -15
Harry Schell -11
Consalvo Sanesi -9
Reg Parnell -7
Maurice Trintignant -4
Dorino Serafini -4
Giovanni Bracco -1
Manfred von Brauchitsch 0
Porfirio Rubirosa 7
André Pilette 12
Juan Manuel Fangio 17
Toulo de Graffenried 22
Louis Chiron 23
André Simon 36
José Froilan Gonzalez 60
Paul Frère -46
David Hampshire -33
Lance Macklin -30
Eric Brandon -30
B. Bira -27
Stirling Moss -22
Troy Ruttman -19
Robert Manzon -18
Giuseppe Farina -16
Nello Pagani -15
Harry Schell -11
Consalvo Sanesi -9
Reg Parnell -7
Maurice Trintignant -4
Dorino Serafini -4
Giovanni Bracco -1
Manfred von Brauchitsch 0
Porfirio Rubirosa 7
André Pilette 12
Juan Manuel Fangio 17
Toulo de Graffenried 22
Louis Chiron 23
André Simon 36
José Froilan Gonzalez 60
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Well, I'm not surprised to have DNQed. Hopefully the other two races will be better.
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Switching to Maserati wasn't exactly the brightest decision i've ever made... but i'll stick by it. Just wait until ENB will win the world championship with private Coopers, Lotuses and Colonis!
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I was just mad because I thought Frére didn't qualified yet, and now that...
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June 2nd 1952, English Grand Prix
The start was relatively clean, and Moss and Manzon quickly built a steady gap, while Pilette, Bira and Gonzalez all swamped Chiron. Everything was going well until the field reached the final corner, the very tight Melbourne hairpin. Fangio and Ruttman made light contact under braking, and both were sent spinning. Bira, coming just behind, slammed on the brakes to avoid the accident, but lost control and left the circuit, colliding with the earth bank. The car went airborne and quickly landed on its wheels.
But the trouble wasn't over, as de Graffenried also had to brake, but while doing so, he was struck by Paul Frère, who was sent into the same earth bank, debris puncturing Lance Macklin's tyres, which terminally damaged the Englishman's suspension. Miraculously, all the drivers got out unharmed, except for de Graffenried, who was clutching his neck.
This left 18 cars in the race, the chaos giving Manzon and Moss an advantage of over a second. André Pilette soon bridged the gap, while Nello Pagani had one of the best starts, avoiding the first lap mess to be up in sixth position after starting 11th, and he was in foutrh place by lap six, by overtaking Chiron and Gonzalez. Chiron was falling back himself, while Serafini and Brandon were harrassing him.
While Pilette and Moss were battling, Manzon took the opportunity to break away from them and build up a good lead, while Pagani joined the fight for second place. Farina and Sanesi, meanwhile, were also joining the battle for sixth position. These battles evolved on lap 13, when Pilette's Bugatti broke down at Coppice, handing second place to Moss on a silver plate, with Pagani and Gonzalez now fighting for third and Brandon to defend fifth from a horde including Farina, von Brauchitsch, Simon, Sanesi, Chiron and Serafini.
Chiron was beginning to gain pace again, and he was back in fourth position by lap 15, with Gonzalez falling behind. Sadly, this turned out to be a mechanical problem, and the Argentine retired two laps later. Manzon, meanwhile, was minding his own business, maintaining his healthy lead, casually setting fastest lap in the process. This lead was helped greatly by Moss spinning off on lap 20, though he managed to continue without losing anything more than time.
This meant that, with a quarter of the race done, Manzon led with over a minute on Moss, who himself had over 13 seconds on Pagani, who in turn had a 15-second lead over Chiron. Then came the giant battle for fith position, led by Farina, Brandon, Schell, Serafini, von Brauchitsch and Sanesi, all of whom were nearly 30 seconds behind Chiron. The field then spaced out, with Trintignant, Parnell, Simon, Bracco, Hampshire and Rubirosa rounding out the 16 remaining drivers.
One man who wasn't about to let this happen was Eric Brandon, who began to attack Chiron's lead over the main pack. Aided by the Monégasque's driving error, Brandon took fourth position on lap 22. But youth can only do so much against experience, and Chiron passed him again on lap 28. But the two were left standing by the meteoric Harry Schell. In fact, Farina and Sanesi were right there as well. What had actually happened was that Brandon and Schell had dragged the whole fight up to Chiron, turning it into a battle for fourth place.
Literally moments later, it became a battle for third, with Stirling Moss' Alfa Romeo sadly breaking down at Redgate on lap 31. The young Englishman has proven his worth and will undoubtedly go on to greater things. But this didn't mean that Pagani had an easy second place gifted to him, as Harry Schell had broken away and was now gaining ground on the Italian!
However, the man on the move was Dorino Serafini, who caught Schell and Pagani and passed the two of them on lap 45, with Reg Parnell following suit on the very next lap, Sanesi, Farina and von Brauchitsch also getting closer and closer, bunching up the field once again!
As the fight for second was raging and beginning to get closer and closer to Manzon, who was still taking his afternoon stroll in the park, Giovanni Bracco anonymously retired from the race with a blown Maserati engine while fighting for eleventh place with Trintignant and Simon.
This meant that there were 14 drivers remaining with twenty laps remaining, with Manzon still having a healthy lead over Serafini, Parnell, Sanesi, von Brauchitsch (rounding out the points), Pagani, Farina, Brandon, Chiron, Schell, Trintignant, Simon, Hampshire and Rubirosa.
But Serafini was getting closer and closer to Manzon. By lap 61, Manzon was in Dorino's line of sight, and two laps later, the two were separated by less than a second, with Robert skillfully keeping the Italian behind. The Frenchman managed to shake off Serafini, but in the space of two laps, he had caught up again! Sadly though, the English crowd were robbed of an entertaining duel for the lead, with the Ferrari starting to malfunction on lap 69, the gearbox giving up on the next lap. This handed second position to Farina, who had been charging forward in the previous laps and was followed up the order by the very impressive Eric Brandon, who was therefore in third position and defending from Consalvo Sanesi!
Disappointingly, Louis Chiron retired on lap 71 after having dropped down the order after his good start to the race. He was in eighth position. This meant that the main event of the last ten laps would be the battle for third place between Eric Brandon, Consalvo Sanesi, Nello Pagani, Reg Parnell, Maurice Trintignant, Harry Schell and Manfred von Brauchitsch. Rather amazingly thoug was David Hampshire holding on remarkably well at this point, in a steady tenth position in his Alta!
This battle quickly turned into four smaller ones, with Brandon and Sanesi duking over third, Pagani and Parnell for fifth, von Brauchitsch and Trintignant for seventh and Schell and Hampshire for ninth. These battles didn't last, and it was soon turning into a brawl that had no direct limit. In the ensuing mess, Reg Parnell ended up scoring the fastest lap of the race.
Eventually, Eric Brandon ended up narrowly beating Consalvo Sanesi to third place and his first podium in only his second Grand Prix (as well as Scuderia Maremmana's first podium), with Nello Pagani scoring the final two points with a brilliant fifth place in the Maserati, the first points for the manufacturer since Monaco in 1951! While Manzon crossed the line behind those three to win his second Grand Prix, the next drivers in that battle were classified three laps down, with Parnell, Trintignant and von Brauchitsch, Parnell scoring the fastest lap and Trintignant tying André Pilette's record for best result in a Bugatti, with seventh place.
Four laps down, Britain rejoiced as plucky home hero David Hampshire crossed the finish line side by side with Harry Schell, photo finish proving that Hampshire indeed finished in a scarcely believeable ninth place, with André Simon having a diasppointing race to finish six laps down, while Porfirio Rubirosa had the sole merit of gathering experience by making it to the end a massive eight laps down.
1. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 3:00:02.4
2. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
3. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) +2 laps
4. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +2 laps
5. Nello Pagani (Maserati) +2 laps
6. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) +3 laps
7. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) +3 laps
8. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) +3 laps
9. David Hampshire (Alta) +4 laps
10. Harry Schell (Ferrari) +4 laps
11. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +6 laps
12. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +8 laps
Ret. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) +10 laps/Transmission
Ret. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +11 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +23 laps/Engine
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +50 laps/Engine
Ret. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +64 laps/Oil line
Ret. André Pilette (Bugatti) +68 laps/Gearbox
Ret. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +80 laps/Accident
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Paul Frère (Maserati) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Lance Macklin (Maserati) +80 laps/Puncture
Fastest lap: Reg Parnell (Ferrari) - 2:10.7
Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. Giuseppe Farina - 12
2. Robert Manzon - 11
3. André Simon - 8
4. Eric Brandon - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
5. Alberto Ascari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
6. Consalvo Sanesi - 3
7. Nello Pagani - 2 (1 5th, 1 10th)
8. B. Bira - 2 (1 5th, 1 Ret)
9. Reg Parnell - 1 (1 6th)
10. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1 (1 7th)
Constructor's championship
1. Alfa Romeo - 12
2. Gordini - 11
3. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 8
4. Ferrari-Jaguar - 4 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
5. Phoenix-Ferrari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
6. Maserati - 2
7. Ferrari - 1
Entrant's championship
1. Alfa Romeo SpA - 12
2. Alexander Racing Team - 11
3. Motorsport Bleu - 8
4. Scuderia Maremmana - 4 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
5. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
6. Redman Racing Team - 2
Injury report concerning de Graffenried to come soon.
The start was relatively clean, and Moss and Manzon quickly built a steady gap, while Pilette, Bira and Gonzalez all swamped Chiron. Everything was going well until the field reached the final corner, the very tight Melbourne hairpin. Fangio and Ruttman made light contact under braking, and both were sent spinning. Bira, coming just behind, slammed on the brakes to avoid the accident, but lost control and left the circuit, colliding with the earth bank. The car went airborne and quickly landed on its wheels.
But the trouble wasn't over, as de Graffenried also had to brake, but while doing so, he was struck by Paul Frère, who was sent into the same earth bank, debris puncturing Lance Macklin's tyres, which terminally damaged the Englishman's suspension. Miraculously, all the drivers got out unharmed, except for de Graffenried, who was clutching his neck.
This left 18 cars in the race, the chaos giving Manzon and Moss an advantage of over a second. André Pilette soon bridged the gap, while Nello Pagani had one of the best starts, avoiding the first lap mess to be up in sixth position after starting 11th, and he was in foutrh place by lap six, by overtaking Chiron and Gonzalez. Chiron was falling back himself, while Serafini and Brandon were harrassing him.
While Pilette and Moss were battling, Manzon took the opportunity to break away from them and build up a good lead, while Pagani joined the fight for second place. Farina and Sanesi, meanwhile, were also joining the battle for sixth position. These battles evolved on lap 13, when Pilette's Bugatti broke down at Coppice, handing second place to Moss on a silver plate, with Pagani and Gonzalez now fighting for third and Brandon to defend fifth from a horde including Farina, von Brauchitsch, Simon, Sanesi, Chiron and Serafini.
Chiron was beginning to gain pace again, and he was back in fourth position by lap 15, with Gonzalez falling behind. Sadly, this turned out to be a mechanical problem, and the Argentine retired two laps later. Manzon, meanwhile, was minding his own business, maintaining his healthy lead, casually setting fastest lap in the process. This lead was helped greatly by Moss spinning off on lap 20, though he managed to continue without losing anything more than time.
This meant that, with a quarter of the race done, Manzon led with over a minute on Moss, who himself had over 13 seconds on Pagani, who in turn had a 15-second lead over Chiron. Then came the giant battle for fith position, led by Farina, Brandon, Schell, Serafini, von Brauchitsch and Sanesi, all of whom were nearly 30 seconds behind Chiron. The field then spaced out, with Trintignant, Parnell, Simon, Bracco, Hampshire and Rubirosa rounding out the 16 remaining drivers.
One man who wasn't about to let this happen was Eric Brandon, who began to attack Chiron's lead over the main pack. Aided by the Monégasque's driving error, Brandon took fourth position on lap 22. But youth can only do so much against experience, and Chiron passed him again on lap 28. But the two were left standing by the meteoric Harry Schell. In fact, Farina and Sanesi were right there as well. What had actually happened was that Brandon and Schell had dragged the whole fight up to Chiron, turning it into a battle for fourth place.
Literally moments later, it became a battle for third, with Stirling Moss' Alfa Romeo sadly breaking down at Redgate on lap 31. The young Englishman has proven his worth and will undoubtedly go on to greater things. But this didn't mean that Pagani had an easy second place gifted to him, as Harry Schell had broken away and was now gaining ground on the Italian!
However, the man on the move was Dorino Serafini, who caught Schell and Pagani and passed the two of them on lap 45, with Reg Parnell following suit on the very next lap, Sanesi, Farina and von Brauchitsch also getting closer and closer, bunching up the field once again!
As the fight for second was raging and beginning to get closer and closer to Manzon, who was still taking his afternoon stroll in the park, Giovanni Bracco anonymously retired from the race with a blown Maserati engine while fighting for eleventh place with Trintignant and Simon.
This meant that there were 14 drivers remaining with twenty laps remaining, with Manzon still having a healthy lead over Serafini, Parnell, Sanesi, von Brauchitsch (rounding out the points), Pagani, Farina, Brandon, Chiron, Schell, Trintignant, Simon, Hampshire and Rubirosa.
But Serafini was getting closer and closer to Manzon. By lap 61, Manzon was in Dorino's line of sight, and two laps later, the two were separated by less than a second, with Robert skillfully keeping the Italian behind. The Frenchman managed to shake off Serafini, but in the space of two laps, he had caught up again! Sadly though, the English crowd were robbed of an entertaining duel for the lead, with the Ferrari starting to malfunction on lap 69, the gearbox giving up on the next lap. This handed second position to Farina, who had been charging forward in the previous laps and was followed up the order by the very impressive Eric Brandon, who was therefore in third position and defending from Consalvo Sanesi!
Disappointingly, Louis Chiron retired on lap 71 after having dropped down the order after his good start to the race. He was in eighth position. This meant that the main event of the last ten laps would be the battle for third place between Eric Brandon, Consalvo Sanesi, Nello Pagani, Reg Parnell, Maurice Trintignant, Harry Schell and Manfred von Brauchitsch. Rather amazingly thoug was David Hampshire holding on remarkably well at this point, in a steady tenth position in his Alta!
This battle quickly turned into four smaller ones, with Brandon and Sanesi duking over third, Pagani and Parnell for fifth, von Brauchitsch and Trintignant for seventh and Schell and Hampshire for ninth. These battles didn't last, and it was soon turning into a brawl that had no direct limit. In the ensuing mess, Reg Parnell ended up scoring the fastest lap of the race.
Eventually, Eric Brandon ended up narrowly beating Consalvo Sanesi to third place and his first podium in only his second Grand Prix (as well as Scuderia Maremmana's first podium), with Nello Pagani scoring the final two points with a brilliant fifth place in the Maserati, the first points for the manufacturer since Monaco in 1951! While Manzon crossed the line behind those three to win his second Grand Prix, the next drivers in that battle were classified three laps down, with Parnell, Trintignant and von Brauchitsch, Parnell scoring the fastest lap and Trintignant tying André Pilette's record for best result in a Bugatti, with seventh place.
Four laps down, Britain rejoiced as plucky home hero David Hampshire crossed the finish line side by side with Harry Schell, photo finish proving that Hampshire indeed finished in a scarcely believeable ninth place, with André Simon having a diasppointing race to finish six laps down, while Porfirio Rubirosa had the sole merit of gathering experience by making it to the end a massive eight laps down.
1. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 3:00:02.4
2. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
3. Eric Brandon (Ferrari-Jaguar) +2 laps
4. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +2 laps
5. Nello Pagani (Maserati) +2 laps
6. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) +3 laps
7. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) +3 laps
8. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Ferrari-Jaguar) +3 laps
9. David Hampshire (Alta) +4 laps
10. Harry Schell (Ferrari) +4 laps
11. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +6 laps
12. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +8 laps
Ret. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) +10 laps/Transmission
Ret. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) +11 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +23 laps/Engine
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +50 laps/Engine
Ret. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +64 laps/Oil line
Ret. André Pilette (Bugatti) +68 laps/Gearbox
Ret. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +80 laps/Accident
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Paul Frère (Maserati) +80 laps/Collision
Ret. Lance Macklin (Maserati) +80 laps/Puncture
Fastest lap: Reg Parnell (Ferrari) - 2:10.7
Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. Giuseppe Farina - 12
2. Robert Manzon - 11
3. André Simon - 8
4. Eric Brandon - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
5. Alberto Ascari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
6. Consalvo Sanesi - 3
7. Nello Pagani - 2 (1 5th, 1 10th)
8. B. Bira - 2 (1 5th, 1 Ret)
9. Reg Parnell - 1 (1 6th)
10. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1 (1 7th)
Constructor's championship
1. Alfa Romeo - 12
2. Gordini - 11
3. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 8
4. Ferrari-Jaguar - 4 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
5. Phoenix-Ferrari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
6. Maserati - 2
7. Ferrari - 1
Entrant's championship
1. Alfa Romeo SpA - 12
2. Alexander Racing Team - 11
3. Motorsport Bleu - 8
4. Scuderia Maremmana - 4 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
5. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ)
6. Redman Racing Team - 2
Injury report concerning de Graffenried to come soon.
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!
Darn bathplug accidents!
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!
Good stuff from ART. Manzon cruised to the win whilst Sanesi battled hard for 4th. Good stuff indeed.
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!
Bentley are disappointed to not qualify for the race, but we look forward to the enxt round and hopefully qualification
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!
"Toulo" out of hospital, will miss the Belgian Grand Prix
Followign the accident at the start of last weekend's English Grand Prix, Swiss driver Emmanuel "Toulo" de Graffenried asked to be taken to the hospital due to a sharp pain in his neck following the incident in which Paul Frère crashed his Maserati into the back of the Ferrari.
After a thorough examination, de Graffenried was diagnosed with whiplash and severe bruising in the neck. De Graffenried was allowed to leave the hospital but was told to refrain from driving for a month, which means that he will miss the Belgian Grand Prix on June the 22nd, making Ferrari's bad start to the season even worse.
Speculation on an eventual replacement for Toulo is rife and mainly concerns drivers competing for customer Ferrari teams, such as Group Ultimate, who may allow Harry Schell or Troy Ruttman a chance in a top team. Others say that Reg Parnell might fill the needed gap, since he wasn't supposed to drive in Belgium.
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!
Yeah, I think I'll just give Reg a crack. Ferrari consider themselves lucky that it was not a more serious injury.
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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!
So far, all entries are accepted, although in normal times I would have turned down de Filippis and van der Lof. I simply decided that, with the large starting grid, I would let more drivers have a go.
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