F1WRCR 1952 season - driver ratings up!

[AdrianSutil]

My tracks:

Monaco
Silverstone
Reims
Monza
Nurburgring

[FMecha]

We will vote for Monaco and Monza only atm.

[takagi_for_the_win]

The only tracks we will vote on are Silverstone, Spa, Monaco and Dijon.

[simonracer]

I'll vote for Silverstone (GBR), Reims (FRA), Mount Panorama (AUS), Sebring (USA), Bremgarten (SWI) & Zandvoort (DUT). Also Nurburgring (I don't care if it's the West German Grand Prix or just the German Grand Prix, to be honest), Monza (ITA), Spa (BEL) & Monaco (MON.)

[tommykl]

Circuit selection is updated.

What about teams that decide to run two different types chassis at once? Or those who want to start from scratch in the middle of the season? Otherwise, I approve of this system.

You pay everytime you buy a chassis and engine. Buying one chassis from manufacturer A and another from manufacturer B is the same as buying two chassis from manufacturer A, except for eventual price differences.

Of course, if the chassis gets destroyed in an accident, you have to buy a new one.

The only tracks we will vote on are Silverstone, Spa, Monaco and Dijon.

Dijon doesn't work, since the circuit was only built in 1972.

Also, I've thought a bit more about the budget system and have made a couple of tweaks.

The original costs I posted will be doubled, and these will be design costs. Building costs will be 4 times smaller than design costs (or two times smaller than original costs). Manufacturers still set sell prices themselves.

A race entry will cost 1000 £, plus 1£ for every km that separates the team base from the race track (to take transportation into account and keep the realistic sensation of only being able to enter races close to home. I know most of you keep to the idea, but some won't). 3 quarters of the entry fees will be redistributed as prize money after each race. The remaining quarter is placed in a pot that will also be redistributed as prize money at the end of the season.

Questions? Suggestions?

[takagi_for_the_win]

3 quarters of the entry fees will be redistributed as prize money after each race. The remaining quarter is placed in a pot that will also be redistributed as prize money at the end of the season.

Questions? Suggestions?

Back then IRL, wasn't part of the prize money handed out for making the start of the race? I'm pretty sure I've heard of teams cobbling together a car written off in qualy so it can start the race and thus pick up prize money

[Nessafox]

Entering in local races sounds good, as this mean i can run gentleman drivers who run for one race only, then i'll get the concept of realism to work. (also i've dicided not to run the Ferrari-BRM in ths 1952 US GP, it was a stupid idea after all) but i will still combine it with national Belgian pride and French over-optimism.

Also, can i transfer the same chassis from the ENB entry to Bugatti and opposite. For example running 2 ENB Bugatti's in the Belgian GP, then re-using the same chassis as works Bugattis in the French GP?
So this means ENB sort of 'rent' the car, but never actually buy them. Basically i would pay for the car, but this would be a useless transfer as i run both teams under the same user entry.

If a car gets destroyed or damaged, do you count that as an extra cost.

[pycku]

Here is our vote:

Monza
Monaco
Spa-Francorchamps
Silverstone
Reims-Gueux
Brno
Indianapolis
AVUS

As for budgets: maybe it is better that teams get a little performance bonuses if another team use their chassis/engine, but there are no money into it. That way the spirit of this championship series will be kept and a kind of budget system will be introduced.

[tommykl]

3 quarters of the entry fees will be redistributed as prize money after each race. The remaining quarter is placed in a pot that will also be redistributed as prize money at the end of the season.

Questions? Suggestions?

Back then IRL, wasn't part of the prize money handed out for making the start of the race? I'm pretty sure I've heard of teams cobbling together a car written off in qualy so it can start the race and thus pick up prize money

Exactly. You get prize money by making the race, and more money if you finish well.

Entering in local races sounds good, as this mean i can run gentleman drivers who run for one race only, then i'll get the concept of realism to work. (also i've dicided not to run the Ferrari-BRM in ths 1952 US GP, it was a stupid idea after all) but i will still combine it with national Belgian pride and French over-optimism.

Also, can i transfer the same chassis from the ENB entry to Bugatti and opposite. For example running 2 ENB Bugatti's in the Belgian GP, then re-using the same chassis as works Bugattis in the French GP?
So this means ENB sort of 'rent' the car, but never actually buy them. Basically i would pay for the car, but this would be a useless transfer as i run both teams under the same user entry.

If a car gets destroyed or damaged, do you count that as an extra cost.

So, your goal is to make gentlemen drivers technically be privateers, is that right?

And you can transfer chassis from one entry to the other. Since I'm guessing ENB and the works Bugatti are tightly knit, it wouldn't be surprising for Bugatti to lend their cars to ENB, since ENB gets the best results for Bugatti. In other words, a transaction doesn't need to be made, although since your goal is to share the chassis, it would be pointless to just make the same money change hands all the time.

If the car is destroyed, you have to buy a new chassis, of course. If it's damaged, repairs will also be needed and costs randomly determined within a reasonable gap.

As for budgets: maybe it is better that teams get a little performance bonuses if another team use their chassis/engine, but there are no money into it. That way the spirit of this championship series will be kept and a kind of budget system will be introduced.

The problem is that in that case, small manufacturers that are supposed to sell cheap cars to independents (like HWM, for example), will soon find themselves faster than Alfa Romeo (who have the second fastest car but no customers).

Besides, I'm trying to make the budgets as simple as possible. I'm not introducing driver contracts or sponsorship or upgrades right now, so it's kept to the minimum of chassis, engine and entry.

[pasta_maldonado]

Bentley agree to all the rules proposed forthwith.

I'm going to nominate Monaco, Monza, Rouen, Nurburgring, Spa, and AVUS

[Phoenix]

I have a question: will the quality of the chassises still improve based on experience and results?

[Nessafox]

Entering in local races sounds good, as this mean i can run gentleman drivers who run for one race only, then i'll get the concept of realism to work. (also i've dicided not to run the Ferrari-BRM in ths 1952 US GP, it was a stupid idea after all) but i will still combine it with national Belgian pride and French over-optimism.

Also, can i transfer the same chassis from the ENB entry to Bugatti and opposite. For example running 2 ENB Bugatti's in the Belgian GP, then re-using the same chassis as works Bugattis in the French GP?
So this means ENB sort of 'rent' the car, but never actually buy them. Basically i would pay for the car, but this would be a useless transfer as i run both teams under the same user entry.

If a car gets destroyed or damaged, do you count that as an extra cost.

So, your goal is to make gentlemen drivers technically be privateers, is that right?

I don't know, i want gentleman drivers become actual pay-drivers, to add realism in small rejectful outfits somehow surviving for a few years.
I would also like to ask people to be 'reasonable'. If a driver really proves horrible, there's no reason to keep him on for 5 years (a good excuse is a lack of better drivers from a certain nationality). So if say Jim Clark proves to be rejectful in this series, keeps being rejectful, and people keep running him because he was epic in reality, that would be unrealistic. However, if you consider him as a gentleman driver that drives one or two races per year for some British privateer, that would make sense.

I was asking about the repair thing, as this question has never really been discussed in our championships.

[DanielPT]

I am ok with the budgetry system but I hope top regular teams have sufficient budget to do all that.

As for the circuits:

Monza
Monaco
Spa-Francorchamps
Silverstone
Nürburgring
Reims-Gueux

and the Portuguese circuit of Boavista (Porto).

[Bleu]

I vote for 8 circuits, all in different countries.
Silverstone
Nürburgring
Spa-Francorchamps
Rouen
Monaco
Monza
Bremgarten
Pedralbes

[tommykl]

I have a question: will the quality of the chassises still improve based on experience and results?

I'm going to try to make it so, but I still need to figure out a way. How about everytime a certain chassis or engine scores, let's say, 30 quali points, they get a random throw of the dice to determine whether they gain performance, lose it, or get nothing (something like -1, 0, +1 or +2 PA points).

Entering in local races sounds good, as this mean i can run gentleman drivers who run for one race only, then i'll get the concept of realism to work. (also i've dicided not to run the Ferrari-BRM in ths 1952 US GP, it was a stupid idea after all) but i will still combine it with national Belgian pride and French over-optimism.

Also, can i transfer the same chassis from the ENB entry to Bugatti and opposite. For example running 2 ENB Bugatti's in the Belgian GP, then re-using the same chassis as works Bugattis in the French GP?
So this means ENB sort of 'rent' the car, but never actually buy them. Basically i would pay for the car, but this would be a useless transfer as i run both teams under the same user entry.

If a car gets destroyed or damaged, do you count that as an extra cost.

So, your goal is to make gentlemen drivers technically be privateers, is that right?

I don't know, i want gentleman drivers become actual pay-drivers, to add realism in small rejectful outfits somehow surviving for a few years.
I would also like to ask people to be 'reasonable'. If a driver really proves horrible, there's no reason to keep him on for 5 years (a good excuse is a lack of better drivers from a certain nationality). So if say Jim Clark proves to be rejectful in this series, keeps being rejectful, and people keep running him because he was epic in reality, that would be unrealistic. However, if you consider him as a gentleman driver that drives one or two races per year for some British privateer, that would make sense.

I was asking about the repair thing, as this question has never really been discussed in our championships.

Pay-drivers look like a loophole in this case, because technically the team doesn't pay the entry. In order to keep the spirit, I might introduce a set budget for every pay-driver, so that you won't have team continually running "gentlemen" drivers just to avoid paying entry fees. Something like the amount of money needed to enter about three races.

I am ok with the budgetry system but I hope top regular teams have sufficient budget to do all that.

You each decide on your budget for the year, but I have every right to refuse your budget if it's unrealistic.

[Nessafox]

Part of a solution to that loophole is allowing pay-drivers only for privateer teams (teams who don't make their own car) In such a case, both my teams will have to be financially separated, so that Bugatti doesn't gain from ENB running pay-drivers. Bugatti does gain from selling their cars to ENB, ENB can afford to buy these cars because of the pay drivers. Bugatti can spend this money into building more cars or a new model. This way we keep the economy rolling.
Of course this could be a loophole, as i can consider ENB as a garuanteed customer of Bugatti. Even though i might choose to deliberatly run a different customer car, it's still possible for others to do similar tricks. Perhaps you should forbid any forum member to sell cars to himself.

[DanielPT]

I am ok with the budgetry system but I hope top regular teams have sufficient budget to do all that.

You each decide on your budget for the year, but I have every right to refuse your budget if it's unrealistic.

Ok. Alfa Romeo is ready for a money race then!

[tommykl]

Part of a solution to that loophole is allowing pay-drivers only for privateer teams (teams who don't make their own car) In such a case, both my teams will have to be financially separated, so that Bugatti doesn't gain from ENB running pay-drivers. Bugatti does gain from selling their cars to ENB, ENB can afford to buy these cars because of the pay drivers. Bugatti can spend this money into building more cars or a new model. This way we keep the economy rolling.
Of course this could be a loophole, as i can consider ENB as a garuanteed customer of Bugatti. Even though i might choose to deliberatly run a different customer car, it's still possible for others to do similar tricks. Perhaps you should forbid any forum member to sell cars to himself.

The thing is, a cash-strapped works team might also need to use a pay-driver...As for the Bugatti issue, I think that to keep realism intact, I'll make it one team or manufacturer per user (if it's a manufacturer, the user may or may not choose to also operate a works team), which means that a) you'll have to merge the two and make ENB the factory Bugatti team, or b) relinquish Bugatti to another member who will hopefully see the sense in striking a good deal with ENB

[Shadaza]

Group Ultimate wishes the following circuits to be part of the calender:

Brno - Czechoslovakia
Avus - East Germany
Rostock - East Germany
Circuit le Sarth - France
Pedrables - Spain

[Nessafox]

Part of a solution to that loophole is allowing pay-drivers only for privateer teams (teams who don't make their own car) In such a case, both my teams will have to be financially separated, so that Bugatti doesn't gain from ENB running pay-drivers. Bugatti does gain from selling their cars to ENB, ENB can afford to buy these cars because of the pay drivers. Bugatti can spend this money into building more cars or a new model. This way we keep the economy rolling.
Of course this could be a loophole, as i can consider ENB as a garuanteed customer of Bugatti. Even though i might choose to deliberatly run a different customer car, it's still possible for others to do similar tricks. Perhaps you should forbid any forum member to sell cars to himself.

The thing is, a cash-strapped works team might also need to use a pay-driver...As for the Bugatti issue, I think that to keep realism intact, I'll make it one team or manufacturer per user (if it's a manufacturer, the user may or may not choose to also operate a works team), which means that a) you'll have to merge the two and make ENB the factory Bugatti team, or b) relinquish Bugatti to another member who will hopefully see the sense in striking a good deal with ENB

I'm not helping myself by pointing out loopholes. But i do help others out. I'll see what i will do when 1953 signups start.

[pi314159]

I'm ok with the budget system, but I'd prefer if you just gave everyone a budget, instead of letting people propose their own ones.

[tommykl]

I'm ok with the budget system, but I'd prefer if you just gave everyone a budget, instead of letting people propose their own ones.

I was also thinking the same, based on about how many cars every entrant ran, how many chassis every constructor built, etc., but I have enough time to come up with a decent budget for every one

[tommykl]

The entry list for the Dutch Grand Prix is closed. Preview and prequalifying up soon.

[DanielPT]

but I have enough time to come up with a decent budget for every one

No need. Just give big, almost limitless, budgets to car manufacturers and hugely successful energy drinks and shoe-string ones to everyone else and you should be about right if you want to copy the F1 way. By the way, I am not saying this because I run a manufacturer but remember, just in case, that Alfa Romeo are a great and wealthy manufacturer in this alternate reality!

[pi314159]

but I have enough time to come up with a decent budget for every one

No need. Just give big, almost limitless, budgets to car manufacturers and hugely successful energy drinks and shoe-string ones to everyone else and you should be about right if you want to copy the F1 way. By the way, I am not saying this because I run a manufacturer but remember, just in case, that Alfa Romeo are a great and wealthy manufacturer in this alternate reality!

And remember that OSCA, technically, are also a manufacturer.

[Nessafox]

but I have enough time to come up with a decent budget for every one

No need. Just give big, almost limitless, budgets to car manufacturers and hugely successful energy drinks and shoe-string ones to everyone else and you should be about right if you want to copy the F1 way. By the way, I am not saying this because I run a manufacturer but remember, just in case, that Alfa Romeo are a great and wealthy manufacturer in this alternate reality!

And remember that OSCA, technically, are also a manufacturer.

And that the French government invest tons of money in Bugatti, Gordini and Talbot-Lago. Everything for the allied forces to revenge the Axis powers!

[TomWazzleshaw]

Pah, we don't need masses of money. Jaguar-Aston Martin will beat all you Italian and French ponces with good, honest British engineering and ingenuity

[pasta_maldonado]

Pah, we don't need masses of money. Jaguar-Aston Martin will beat all you Italian and French ponces with good, honest British engineering and ingenuity

Pah. Bentley have all you scruffy lot well and truly covered, pip-pip!

[tommykl]

August 15th 1952, Dutch Grand Prix pre-qualifying

The German Grand Prix was a cracker of a race, with Farina's main rivals all retiring, the Italian barely scraping a fifth place to take the championship lead (despite failing to win so far this year), while Reg Parnell took his second consecutive German Grand Prix victory, Fangio ressuscitated his career and Alberto Ascari and Giovanni Bracco continued to impress. If they want to beat Farina to the title, Bira and Manzon will have to keep up their form for the last four races.

33 drivers have shown up at Zandvoort for the second championship race in the Netherlands. Last season saw Dorino Serafini take the win and Farina clinch the title. With a small grid of 22 available, 11 drivers will go through pre-qualifying, with three of them out on Friday, with an additional 8 drivers failing to make the cut for the Sunday race.

1. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
2. Harry Schell (Motorsport Bleu)
3. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
4. Dries van der Lof (Scuderia Commesso)
5. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
6. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
7. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
8. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
9. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
10. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
11. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
12. Lance Macklin (Claes Racing Developments)
14. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America)
15. Tony Bettenhausen (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
16. Piero Taruffi (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
17. Ken Wharton (Birmingham Motorsports)
18. Edgar Barth (Team Ultimate)
19. Paul Frère (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
20. Marcel Balsa (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
21. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti Grand Prix)
22. André Pilette (Bugatti Grand Prix)
23. Jan Flinterman (Ecurie Nationale Belge)
24. Nello Pagani (Redman Racing Team)
25. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
26. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
27. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
28. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
29. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
30. André Simon (Motorsport Bleu)
31. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
32. Roy Salvadori (British Bentley Racing Motors)
33. John Riseley-Prichard (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
34. Ken Downing (Hampshire Racing Alliance)

As usual, here is a small run-down of the changes for this race's line-up:
-All-Ireland Motorsport have delayed their final planned entry of the season to the Italian Grand Prix, preferring to take a chance at a larger starting grid.
-Motorsport Bleu has brought back André Simon in the third car, after replacing the outside-championship contender for the German Grand Prix in favour of rookie Günther Bechem. With the leaders failing to gain any advantage, Simon has not lost much ground from his absence, but his morale may have taken a hit.
-The second Commesso Maserati-Ferrari is now driven by the solid Dutchman Dries van der Lof, who replaces the emergency replacement Rudi Fischer, hired after the FIA's refusal to grant a license to Ottorino Volonterio. Van der Lof still has to prove his worth as a decently fast driver, but making the race shouldn't be a problem for the 32-year-old.
-Scuderia Ferrari show that Enzo's word goes no matter what, as for the second year in succession, Reg Parnell finds himself on the sidelines after winning a race. Peter Whitehead scored a podium here last year, and is a man to watch out for on Sunday.
-British Bentley Racing Motors were a late addition to the grid, only confirming their participation in the Netherlands following the merger with BRM bringing much-needed funds to the team, who extends its participation to the end of the season. Roy Salvadori is entrusted with the Bentley for the weekend.
-David Hampshire has decided to purchase a third brand-new Alta for this race, and has entered it for promising rookie Ken Downing, who spent the best part of 1951 dominating local races in a Connaught. John Riseley-Prichard returns to the team to drive the second car once again.
-Erne Racing Developments have ended their programme for 1952, concentrating on their 1953 effort. We shall be seeing more of Roberto Mières very soon. In the meantime, their spot is taken up by Birmingham Motorsport and Ken Wharton, who are also entering their final Grand Prix this season in the Alta.
-Officine Alfieri Maserati is still having a hard time settling on a suitable replacement for Onofre Marimon. Chico Landi's one-off performance at the Nürburgring was unimpressive to say the least, and while the Brazilian will still drive the car at Monza, he is replaced by an unknown rookie named Marcel Balsa for the time being.
-Scuderia Maremmana will again not compete at Zandvoort, delaying their final entry until Australia.
-Maurice Trintignant has recovered from his fractured wrist and is back in the Bugatti after Jean Behra's valiant but ultimately insufficient replacement in Germany. The Maserati will be driven by the usual local driver Jan Flinterman.
-Fritz Riess' ill-fated effort comprehensively will not take part in the remainder of the season, but may reappear in the future.

Finally, here are the drivers who will have to pre-qualify:

Lance Macklin
Paul Frère
Dries van der Lof
Toulo de Graffenried
Louis Chiron
Ken Wharton
Roy Salvadori
John Riseley-Prichard
Marcel Balsa
Jan Flinterman
Ken Downing

[tommykl]

Pre-qualifying performance, as usual.

Salvadori - 80
Macklin - 92
Balsa - 94
Chiron - 101
Riseley-Prichard - 101
de Graffenried - 106
Flinterman - 106
Wharton - 107
Downing - 109
van der Lof - 111
Frère - 111

It's obvious that Salvadori, Macklin, Balsa and de Graffenried make it through, but the four remaining spots are more difficult to predict...

[tommykl]

Pre-qualifying results

1. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) - 1:49.3
2. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 1:49.5
3. Roy Salvadori (Bentley) - 1:50.0
4. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) - 1:50.5
5. Marcel Balsa (Maserati) - 1:50.7
6. Jan Flinterman (Maserati) - 1:51.3
7. Dries van der Lof (Maserati-Ferrari) - 1:51.4
8. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 1:51.7
9. John Riseley-Prichard (Alta) - 1:51.9
10. Ken Wharton (Alta) - 1:52.7
11. Ken Downing (Alta) - 1:52.8

Alta has hit a new low here, with only David Hampshire left to defend the British manufacturer. Brilliant performances by Salvadori, Balsa and Flinterman.

[tommykl]

Things get serious for qualifying performance...

Hampshire - 86
Sanesi - 89
Claes - 89
Bettenhausen - 92
Trintignant - 92
Rubirosa - 94
Serafini - 95
Ruttman - 95
Ascari - 96
Bira - 97
Frère - 98
Pagani - 99
Barth - 100
Balsa - 100
Schell - 101
Bracco - 101
Manzion - 102
van der Lof - 103
de Graffenried - 104
Whitehead - 104
Simon - 104
Macklin - 107
Farina - 107
Moss - 107
Flinterman - 108
Taruffi - 108
Fangio - 108
Salvadori - 109
Chiron - 111
Pilette - 112

Predictions?

[tommykl]

Qualifying results

1. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) - 1:48.2
2. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) - 1:48.6
3. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 1:49.0
4. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) - 1:49.1
5. Tony Bettenhausen (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:49.2
6. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) - 1:49.3
7. Johnny Claes (Maserati) - 1:49.3
8. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) - 1:49.4
9. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 1:49.5
10. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) - 1:49.6
11. David Hampshire (Alta) - 1:49.7
12. Harry Schell (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 1:49.7
13. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 1:49.8
14. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) - 1:49.8
15. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) - 1:49.9
16. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 1:50.0
17. Nello Pagani (Maserati) - 1:50.0
18. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 1:50.1
19. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 1:50.3
20. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) - 1:50.4
21. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:50.8
22. Paul Frère (Maserato) - 1:50.9
23. Edgar Barth (Ultimate-BMW) - 1:51.0
24. Dries van der Lof (Maserati-Ferrari) - 1:51.1
25. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 1:51.7
26. André Pilette (Bugatti) - 1:51.8
27. Marcel Balsa (Maserati) - 1:51.9
28. Jan Flinterman (Maserati) - 1:51.9
29. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) - 1:52.1
30. Roy Salvadori (Bentley) - 1:53.6

Quick recap: Alfa has a shocker that should give Bira, Sanesi and Manzon a golden opportunity to gain back some ground on Farina. Serafini will still be there to bother the contenders. First pole for ART after two and a half years of trying. None of the Dutchmen make it to the grid. Brilliant performances by Ascari, Bettenhausen, Ruttman, Claes and Hampshire.

[Shadaza]

Qualifying results

6. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) - 1:49.3
23. Edgar Barth (Ultimate-BMW) - 1:51.0

Great job from Ruttman, hopefully with points on the way. So so close from Edgar Barth, the car has potential and he has done a great job so far this season, any other circuit and he would be in the race!

[Londoner]

Hampshire is 11th? What in the name of the Hawker Hurricane went on?

And to think HRA were gonna stop using Altas at the end of the season...

[pasta_maldonado]

I highly doubt that Zandvoort can only manage 22 cars...

[tommykl]

I highly doubt that Zandvoort can only manage 22 cars...

I know it can handle more, but with 96 laps for the race, I'm not sure if yours truly can handle more cars for the one race.

Basically, the rule is 20 spots for a track 3-4km long, 22 spots for a track 4-5km long, and so on until the maximum of 34 grid spots (the maximum ever reached in Formula 1, even though this championship has reached 37 in the 1950 Swiss GP)

[Aerospeed]

This will certainly keep up Bettenahausen's chances of retaining his seat in 1953...

[tommykl]

Race performance

Moss -61
Farina -42
Taruffi -30
Serafini -24
Bettenhausen -19
Ruttman -16
Sanesi -8
Frère -7
Bira -3
Fangio -2
Schell 3
de Graffenried 6
Trintignant 7
Ascari 9
Hampshire 9
Simon 13
Bracco 17
Whitehead 20
Claes 21
Pagani 26
Rubirosa 27
Manzon 35

[tommykl]

Oh, and only 9 drivers will finish the race, with a tenth and maybe an eleventh also classified. There will be four accidents, none of them serious.