The 2013 British Grand Prix Thread

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:16

Geri Halliwell is drunk lol. What an interview

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:19

Anyone know why Grosjean retired late? He hasn't scored for four races.

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:22

good_Ralf wrote:Anyone know why Grosjean retired late? He hasn't scored for four races.

He dropped like a stone towards the end, and was -I think- 11th before retiring.
Maybe they thought there was nothing to gain, judging his pace..

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:25

AdrianSutil wrote:Geri Halliwell is drunk lol. What an interview

Reports from the hospitality area suggest she'd been accompanied by Pimm's for most of the afternoon...

Did you see Martin interview Jamie Redknapp on the grid earlier? He didn't have a bloody clue, did he...

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:29

https://twitter.com/takiinoue/statuses/351345246405279744
hahahah :lol:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:30

So, would someone mind explaining to me what exactly Grosjean did wrong at the start? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but Perez was immediately to his inside in turn 1, and Webber immediately to his outside. I didn't see him move over on Webber at all - has my eyesight suddenly take a sharp turn for the worse, that I missed that? Or has the BBC decided to take the position of, "Oh, it's an incident involving Romain Grosjean, CLEARLY it has to be his fault no matter what actually happened"?

Also, I've been defending Pirelli this season, but with 4 punctures on the same tyre in one race, 5 over a race weekend? That is unacceptable. The kerbs might be causing the punctures, but the fact is that they made a tyre that worked well enough in 2011 and 2012. There is no excuse for this.

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:34

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:So, would someone mind explaining to me what exactly Grosjean did wrong at the start? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but Perez was immediately to his inside in turn 1, and Webber immediately to his outside. I didn't see him move over on Webber at all - has my eyesight suddenly take a sharp turn for the worse, that I missed that? Or has the BBC decided to take the position of, "Oh, it's an incident involving Romain Grosjean, CLEARLY it has to be his fault no matter what actually happened"?

From what I saw, Button squeezed Grosjean into Webber in order to take the racing line. Not Grosjean's fault by any stretch of the imagination.

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:36

Ataxia wrote:Reports from the hospitality area suggest she'd been accompanied by Pimm's for most of the afternoon...

I've been accompanied by whisky macs all evening, canadian club with stones ginger wine, (bloody cold in Australia right now), and I'll still never act like such an idiot as she always does.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:52

rachel1990 wrote:Damm it why does it never happen to Vettel.

Great race overall, and sadly because of the stupid Pirelli tyres. It was dangerous out there today.

Now it's easy to attack Pirelli, but I remain convinced that they've been good overall for F1. Still, today went too far, and the problem is that we have another race in just seven days.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:54

I've taken the fastest lap standings and as the drivers set their fastest laps on different laps of the laps, I've produced some fuel-adjusted fastest lap standings.
Taking into account the fuel-load penalty per lap, Rosberg was quickest but marginally ahead of Vettel and Webber. Alonso, Hamilton and Sutil were next, then Gutierrez for some reason. The McLarens were 9th and 10th and Lotuses were 11th and 13th, suggesting their race pace still hasn't improved after Canada.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:57

Ataxia wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Geri Halliwell is drunk lol. What an interview

Reports from the hospitality area suggest she'd been accompanied by Pimm's for most of the afternoon...

Did you see Martin interview Jamie Redknapp on the grid earlier? He didn't have a bloody clue, did he...

Sometimes interviewing celebrities or other sportsmen can work. Ian Poulter knew what he was on about.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:00

Ferrim wrote:Great race overall, and sadly because of the stupid Pirelli tyres. It was dangerous out there today.

Now it's easy to attack Pirelli, but I remain convinced that they've been good overall for F1. Still, today went too far, and the problem is that we have another race in just seven days.

I agree. Despite what happened today, I still hope they remain in Formula 1. Just with a tyre that won't disintegrate.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:09

good_Ralf wrote:I've taken the fastest lap standings and as the drivers set their fastest laps on different laps of the laps, I've produced some fuel-adjusted fastest lap standings.
Taking into account the fuel-load penalty per lap, Rosberg was quickest but marginally ahead of Vettel and Webber. Alonso, Hamilton and Sutil were next, then Gutierrez for some reason. The McLarens were 9th and 10th and Lotuses were 11th and 13th, suggesting their race pace still hasn't improved after Canada.

Good stuff here. Where's Massa? He must have been pretty quick today.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:17

go_Rubens wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:I've taken the fastest lap standings and as the drivers set their fastest laps on different laps of the laps, I've produced some fuel-adjusted fastest lap standings.
Taking into account the fuel-load penalty per lap, Rosberg was quickest but marginally ahead of Vettel and Webber. Alonso, Hamilton and Sutil were next, then Gutierrez for some reason. The McLarens were 9th and 10th and Lotuses were 11th and 13th, suggesting their race pace still hasn't improved after Canada.

Good stuff here. Where's Massa? He must have been pretty quick today.

12th.

I've done this for previous races post-2009 and there have been endless abnormalities.

Everyone was again saying how good di Resta was today. Although his battle with Lewis Hamilton was very good and showed that he could truly be a racer, he was 14th in my standings, more than a second slower than Sutil. In my opinion, Sutil is naturally quicker than di Resta and deserves better.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:30

Lewis Hamilton swapped cars with Tony Stewart some time ago. What Lewis should have done that day was to also take lessons from Stewart on how to totally slam a tyre manufacturer.
Could you just imagine the epicness if Lewis Hamilton had said this about Pirelli after todays race:

http://youtu.be/DtJym-syfDI?t=2m1s

I think Fernando Alonso said it best:

This is ridiculous.

I lol:ed during the podium interviews when Webber didn't know in what country F1 races next.

And Damon Hill did a good job imo.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:35

Jocke1 wrote:And Damon Hill did a good job imo.

I like Damon Hill. Like Montoya, I have always put him at the top of my list.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:57

Nico Rosberg is being summoned to the stewards for speeding under yellow flags.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:58

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108451

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jun 2013, 15:59

I'm hoping the stewards don't do anything silly, it's such a minor indiscretion.

girry · Post by **girry** » 30 Jun 2013, 16:13

well, if Vainio's treatment in GP3 Monza last year is anything to go by....

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jun 2013, 16:37

Just a reprimand for Nico, apparently. Phew.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 30 Jun 2013, 16:43

Considering Massa lost more time than Hamilton and it happened slightly later in the race (i.e. less time to catch up), I was very pleased with his comeback drive and think it was a little underrated so far. Just a pity that he lost a potential podium chance (although probably would have been at best 4th behind Alonso) due to the puncture, as it was one of the best starts of the season.

Pity Webber couldn't quite get there in the end, would've been great to see him win. In the end, not much satisfaction can be taken out of the race due to the failures for Hamilton, Vettel and co.

Eifelland · Post by **Eifelland** » 30 Jun 2013, 16:46

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/2 ... play-video

The BBC reckon they've found the spot that has been causing all the cuts in the tyres (and hence the blowouts that followed). If this is the case, then it's not so much the Pirellis, which up until now haven't been exploding en masse, even post-test at Monaco and Canada (a track that in my opinion, share alot of the same characteristcs as Silverstone), but a track specific anomaly that can be fixed, and people can stop getting so worked up over how the Pirellis do exactly what people asked of them to do.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:12

Eifelland wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23089321#play-video

The BBC reckon they've found the spot that has been causing all the cuts in the tyres (and hence the blowouts that followed). If this is the case, then it's not so much the Pirellis, which up until now haven't been exploding en masse, even post-test at Monaco and Canada (a track that in my opinion, share alot of the same characteristcs as Silverstone), but a track specific anomaly that can be fixed, and people can stop getting so worked up over how the Pirellis do exactly what people asked of them to do.

If it's not the case, then what if this should happen to a driver while going flat through Eau Rouge?

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:13

Eifelland wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23089321#play-video

The BBC reckon they've found the spot that has been causing all the cuts in the tyres (and hence the blowouts that followed). If this is the case, then it's not so much the Pirellis, which up until now haven't been exploding en masse, even post-test at Monaco and Canada (a track that in my opinion, share alot of the same characteristcs as Silverstone), but a track specific anomaly that can be fixed, and people can stop getting so worked up over how the Pirellis do exactly what people asked of them to do.

People asked for the Pirellis to be like this; but that does not mean that in hindsight it can't be considered a mistake

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:13

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:16

Jocke1 wrote:
Eifelland wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23089321#play-video

The BBC reckon they've found the spot that has been causing all the cuts in the tyres (and hence the blowouts that followed). If this is the case, then it's not so much the Pirellis, which up until now haven't been exploding en masse, even post-test at Monaco and Canada (a track that in my opinion, share alot of the same characteristcs as Silverstone), but a track specific anomaly that can be fixed, and people can stop getting so worked up over how the Pirellis do exactly what people asked of them to do.

If it's not the case, then what if this should happen to a driver while going flat through Eau Rouge?

A repeat of Zanardi's 1993 shunt or those of the BAR twins in 1999 :lol:

Eifelland · Post by **Eifelland** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:21

pasta_maldonado wrote:People asked for the Pirellis to be like this; but that does not mean that in hindsight it was a mistake.

No, it doesn't, but the same teams that blocked proposed changes are the same teams up in arms today. They got what they asked for, was my point.

Jocke1, I wasn't suggesting that they don't need changing (clearly, they need work on their stability for when they suffered punctures under a high load) - the teams came up with a temporary fix during the race (upping the pressure to force the structure to remain as rigid as possible), but if that happened at Eau Rouge, there presumably would be worse consequences. Everyone got away safely today, in the end and so long as Pirelli make the changes, which they will, as I don't see the FIA allowing them to continue on unsafe rubber, for commercial and safety reasons, then we should be able to draw a line under this, and stop complaining that Pirelli are doing a reasonable job of levelling the playing field.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:44

Eifelland wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23089321#play-video

The BBC reckon they've found the spot that has been causing all the cuts in the tyres (and hence the blowouts that followed). If this is the case, then it's not so much the Pirellis, which up until now haven't been exploding en masse, even post-test at Monaco and Canada (a track that in my opinion, share alot of the same characteristcs as Silverstone), but a track specific anomaly that can be fixed, and people can stop getting so worked up over how the Pirellis do exactly what people asked of them to do.

http://youtu.be/98GB1I2TyrE

Eifelland · Post by **Eifelland** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:47

Jocke1 wrote:http://youtu.be/98GB1I2TyrE

Oh, yeah, my link probably doesn''t work outside of the UK. My bad :oops:

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 17:55

For those who are able to watch videos on the BBC, here are the race highlights.

Post by **mario** » 30 Jun 2013, 18:10

Eifelland wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:People asked for the Pirellis to be like this; but that does not mean that in hindsight it was a mistake.

No, it doesn't, but the same teams that blocked proposed changes are the same teams up in arms today. They got what they asked for, was my point.

Jocke1, I wasn't suggesting that they don't need changing (clearly, they need work on their stability for when they suffered punctures under a high load) - the teams came up with a temporary fix during the race (upping the pressure to force the structure to remain as rigid as possible), but if that happened at Eau Rouge, there presumably would be worse consequences. Everyone got away safely today, in the end and so long as Pirelli make the changes, which they will, as I don't see the FIA allowing them to continue on unsafe rubber, for commercial and safety reasons, then we should be able to draw a line under this, and stop complaining that Pirelli are doing a reasonable job of levelling the playing field.

It appears that the FIA are acting fairly quickly - Todt personally informed Pirelli that they have to present possible solutions to the Sporting Working Group on Wednesday to prevent this happening again, so I suspect that the FIA is going to force through changes whether the teams like it or not. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/113829.html

S951 · Post by **S951** » 30 Jun 2013, 18:41

guys and girls

have any of you heard about sauber being in big money troubles? nico and suppliers not paid for may? and that they need to be sold? the lady team principle whos name I have forgot has said they will last the season but all dev has stopped now?

supposedly in bilde iirc from a post on another forum

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jun 2013, 18:44

S951 wrote:guys and girls

have any of you heard about sauber being in big money troubles? nico and suppliers not paid for may? and that they need to be sold? the lady team principle whos name I have forgot has said they will last the season but all dev has stopped now?

supposedly in bilde iirc from a post on another forum

Nice and informative there...

You got a source to show us?

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 30 Jun 2013, 18:52

S951 wrote: the lady team principle whos name I have forgot has said they will last the season but all dev has stopped now?

Angela Merkel?

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jun 2013, 18:59

I'm just going to leave this here...

Post by **Londoner** » 30 Jun 2013, 19:11

Did you notice just how much better the race was after Vettel retired and the field bunched up again? Just saying...

I'm not gonna foam and rant about the Pirelli tyres, but it did make for a slightly unnerving viewing after Vergne's incident. Hopefully this is a one-off, and can be sorted out relatively quickly without any more whining from anyone.

If there'd been another lap or two, Webber would've won. A fantastic turnaround after probably his worst start ever.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 30 Jun 2013, 19:30

East Londoner wrote:Did you notice just how much better the race was after Vettel retired and the field bunched up again? Just saying...

Since it caused a safety car-period which bunches up the field, it's not really a miracle.

Anyway, interesting race, although some of it wouldn't have been missed at all.

I couldn't believe the radio between Raikkonen and Team Lotus. Apparently, it's the team who don't know what they're doing.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 20:59

That was probably the most chaotic dry race since Canada 2007 or Australia 2008.

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 30 Jun 2013, 21:45

Jocke1 wrote:
Eifelland wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23089321#play-video

The BBC reckon they've found the spot that has been causing all the cuts in the tyres (and hence the blowouts that followed). If this is the case, then it's not so much the Pirellis, which up until now haven't been exploding en masse, even post-test at Monaco and Canada (a track that in my opinion, share alot of the same characteristcs as Silverstone), but a track specific anomaly that can be fixed, and people can stop getting so worked up over how the Pirellis do exactly what people asked of them to do.

http://youtu.be/98GB1I2TyrE

If turn out to be the case, I'd say then that it's more the driver's fault (for driving out of the track limits) than pirelli's.
Sure, pirelli could probably do something to make the tyres stronger, and the tracks could have a different kerb layout. But ultimately the driver shouldn't drive that far into the kerb and expect it to be safe. Like in the 70's, kerbs cut tyres.