What If?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 27 Jul 2013, 14:37

takagi_for_the_win wrote:What if Martin Donnelly hadn't had his big crash at Jerez 1990? Having read some contemporary articles, he was very evenly matched against Warwick at Lotus that year, and both Warwick and Ken Tyrrell rated him as highly as Alesi

I have no idea where he might have ended up, but if he escaped 1990 unharmed, he would have kept one of the Lotus seats, probably Bartels, Bailey and Herbert's.

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 28 Jul 2013, 09:10

What if Sebastian Vettel didn't win the 2008 Italian Grand Prix in the Toro Rosso

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 28 Jul 2013, 09:15

Matt121 wrote:What if Sebastian Vettel didn't win the 2008 Italian Grand Prix in the Toro Rosso

I think he'd still get the Red Bull seat for 2009 given some of his other performances like in Brazil so I don't think much would change.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Jul 2013, 10:42

Matt121 wrote:What if Sebastian Vettel didn't win the 2008 Italian Grand Prix in the Toro Rosso

Kovalainen doesn't become a one hit wonder.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 28 Jul 2013, 11:13

What if there were no rules in f1?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Jul 2013, 11:14

roblomas52 wrote:What if there were no rules in f1?

Everyone would be on rocket fuel. :lol:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 11:17

good_Ralf wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:What if there were no rules in f1?

Everyone would be on rocket fuel.

Maldonado and Grosjean would crash all they like.

What if There were no driving standards in GP2?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:03

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:What if there were no rules in f1?

Everyone would be on rocket fuel.

Maldonado and Grosjean would crash all they like.

What if There were no driving standards in GP2?

The same as it is now

Post by **Ataxia** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:20

roblomas52 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
Everyone would be on rocket fuel.

Maldonado and Grosjean would crash all they like.

What if There were no driving standards in GP2?

The same as it is now

What if roblomas was actually funny?

girry · Post by **girry** » 28 Jul 2013, 15:14

What if...

....Bruno Senna had got the 2nd Brawn GP seat instead of Rubinho as was rumoured for a long time?
....Brawn didn't manage to rescue the Brackley outfit at all?

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 15:16

giraurd wrote:What if...

....Bruno Senna had got the 2nd Brawn GP seat instead of Rubinho as was rumoured for a long time?
....Brawn didn't manage to rescue the Brackley outfit at all?

Senna might have had a couple of Podiums but i don't think he would have won a race

Michael Schumacher wouldn't have returned to F1
Nico Rosberg would have either been forced to stay at Williams or he would have been out of a job
Lewis Hamilton would have been at Mclaren Forever

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 28 Jul 2013, 15:49

Ataxia wrote:What if roblomas was actually funny?

Does that include grammar in your question as well?

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 28 Jul 2013, 19:12

What if someone decides to pull in to the pit lane on the last lap at Silverstone?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Jul 2013, 19:57

andrew2209 wrote:What if someone decides to pull in to the pit lane on the last lap at Silverstone?

Their classification depends on where they were when they crossed the finish line. As of 12th July 1998...

girry · Post by **girry** » 28 Jul 2013, 19:58

I also wondered about that Silverstone thing - is it faster to take the finish line that way though?

It certainly at least has been allowed based on Schumacher's antics on the very track in 1998 :mrgreen:

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 29 Jul 2013, 06:36

roblomas52 wrote:What if there were no rules in f1?

They'd all fit huge tyres and off-road making an average lap of Silverstone about 17 seconds.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 29 Jul 2013, 06:49

giraurd wrote:I also wondered about that Silverstone thing - is it faster to take the finish line that way though?

In the current configuration, I do believe yes.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 29 Jul 2013, 07:11

Shizuka wrote:
giraurd wrote:I also wondered about that Silverstone thing - is it faster to take the finish line that way though?

In the current configuration, I do believe yes.

In the race this year, cars seemed to improve their race position when they came through the first part of the pit lane.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 29 Jul 2013, 08:16

good_Ralf wrote:
Shizuka wrote:
giraurd wrote:I also wondered about that Silverstone thing - is it faster to take the finish line that way though?

In the current configuration, I do believe yes.

In the race this year, cars seemed to improve their race position when they came through the first part of the pit lane.

That's because the cars don't have to go round club

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 29 Jul 2013, 13:56

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 29 Jul 2013, 14:04

Now, one of the more popular What If's posed here is "What if Alesi had got the Williams drive instead of the Ferrari one for 1991?" Whenever people answer it, they normally just say "Oh, Alesi would win a couple of titles", but let little else slip. Anyway, I decided to go imto detail here (Warning: long post for my standards)

1991
Williams- Jean Alesi, Riccardo Patrese
McLaren- Ayrton Senna, Gerhard Berger
Ferrari- Alain Prost/Ivan Capelli, Gianni Morbidelli

As in Real Life (hereby shortened to RL), Senna picked up the title without too much work. His task was made easier here by the fact that his nearest challenger, Alesi, was only in his second full season of F1 and thus made some silly mistakes. Regardless, Alesi seemed to have the beating of Patrese. Nigel Mansell, having not got the Williams drive for 1991, decided to make good his promise and retire.

1. Ayrton Senna
2. Jean Alesi
3. Riccardo Patrese

1. McLaren-Honda
2. Williams-Renault
3. Ferrari

1992
McLaren- Ayrton Senna, Gerhard Berger
Williams- Jean Alesi, Riccardo Patrese
Ferrari- Ivan Capelli, Gianni Morbidelli

As in RL, 1992 was a one man show, that one man being Alesi, who annihilated the opposition. Despite being evenly matched on points in 1991, Patrese couldn't get to grips with the Frenchman, and quickly lost motivation, dropping behind Schumacher and Senna overall, and announced his retirement from the sport. Ferrari had a shocker, picking up just 7 points, dropping to 7th in the WCC.

1. Jean Alesi
2. Michael Schumacher
3. Ayrton Senna

1. Williams-Renault
2. McLaren-Honda
3. Benetton-Ford

1993
With Patrese gone, a seat at Williams appeared and was quickly snapped up Senna. Elf and Renault had of course got their French champion with Alesi, so no complaints there. Andretti and Hakkinen went to McLaren, with Berger partnering Larini at Ferrari and Herbert returned to Benetton alongside Schumacher. Senna promptly beat Alesi to take his 4th title, with the consistent Schumacher helping Benetton to finish ahead of McLaren in the WCC.

1. Ayrton Senna
2. Jean Alesi
3. Michael Schumacher

1. Williams-Renault
2. Benetton-Ford
3. McLaren-Ford

1994
The only change at the top teams was Andretti quitting F1, to be replaced by Martin Brundle. The season was marred by the tragic deaths of Ratzenberger and Senna at Imola. Following Senna's death, tester Damon Hill was brought in as a replacement. Meanwhile, Alesi pipped Schumacher to the WDC, offering some consolation to Williams at the end of a hard season. Herberts consistency helped Benetton sneak ahead of Williams in the WCC.

1. Jean Alesi
2. Michael Schumacher
3. Gerhard Berger

1. Benetton-Ford
2. Williams-Renault
3. Ferrari

1995
For 95, there was little change at the top 2, with Benetton retaining Schumacher and Herbert, and Hill partnering Alesi at Williams. At Ferrari, Morbidelli returned to replace Larini and Blundell replaced Brundle at McLaren. Schumacher was determined to erase the heartbreak of missing out on the 94 title, and promptly won, beating Alesi. Hill beat Herbert to third in the battle of the number two drivers, but Williams just missed out on the WCC. Meanwhile, a young David Coulthard drove the last 3 races for Sauber and picked up a handful of points.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Jean Alesi
3. Damon Hill

1. Benetton-Renault
2. Williams-Renault
3. Ferrari

1996
For 1996, Ferrari flexed their muscles and bought in two times Champion Jean Alesi as well as Eddie Irvine. Schumacher stayed at Benetton and was partnered by Berger. Hill was promoted to team leader at Williams and was partnered by Coulthard. Finally, Villeneuve joined McLaren from the American racing scene. In the end, Hill wrapped up the title with ease, his only real challengers being Coulthard occasionally and Schumacher, who transcended the Benetton. Coulthards frustating inconsistency almost handed Benetton the WCC, but Williams hung on. Alesi failed to win for Ferrari, while McLaren suffered another winless season.

1. Damon Hill
2. Michael Schumacher
3. Gerhard Berger

1. Williams-Renault
2. Benetton-Renault
3. Ferrari

1997
It was all change at Williams for 1997, with Hill being swapped for Villeneuve and Coulthard moving to Sauber, with Frentzen moving in the opposite direction. Benetton and Ferrari retained their drivers from 1996. In the end, Villeneuve won a simple title, but teammate Frentzen failed to deliver. Alesi came second, but couldn't get near the Williams. Schumacher only picked up one win, and did not look happy all season.

1. Jacques Villeneuve
2. Jean Alesi
3. Michael Schumacher

1. Williams-Renault
2. Benetton-Renault
3. Ferrari

1998
Williams and Ferrari kept their driver line-ups the same but it was change at Benetton. Schumacher left for McLaren, with Berger joining Damon Hill in retirement. In their palces came Fisichella and Wurz. In the end, McLaren dominated the season, winning 14 out of 16 races; Alesi won twice when the McLarens ran into difficulty. Schumacher ultimately beat Hakkinen to the title.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Mika Hakkinen
3. Jean Alesi

1. Mclaren-Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Williams-Mechachrome

1999
McLaren and Ferrari kept their drivers the same, but halfway through the season, Eddie Irvine finally tired of the politics at Ferrari and walked out, to be replaced by Salo. Hakkinen gained revenge for 1998 by snatching the title from Schumacher with a tremendous win at Suzuka. Alesi again came third, with Frentzen fourth.

1. Mika Hakkinen
2. Michael Schumacher
3. Jean Alesi

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Jordan-Mugen

2000
The only change at the top two for the new millennium was Barrichello's arrival at Ferrari. It didn't change much. The McLarens again finished first and second, Schumacher from Hakkinen, but at least Alesi had closed the gap back in third.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Mika Hakkinen
3. Jean Alesi

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Williams-BMW

2001
Again, there were no changes at the top teams regarding the drivers. This year, Schumacher picked up another title, but this year was spiced up by McLaren's unreliabilty and Hakkinens decision to retire. Alesi made the most of McLarens woes to make the title race a 3-way battle, and managed to edge out Hakkinen but Schumacher held on.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Jean Alesi
3. Mika Hakkinen

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Williams-BMW

2002
At McLaren, Hakkinen was replaced by another Finn, Kimi Raikkonen, who had destroyed Coulthard at Sauber. Also, at the start of the season, Alesi announced this would be his last season. He couldn't have picked a better time to announce his retirement, as the F2002 was a dream machine, allowing the Frenchman to pick up an emotional third title at Monza of all places, ending Ferrari's 23 title-less drought as well. Schumacher battled to second despite the awful reliabilty of his McLaren, with Montoya third ahead of Barrichello.

1. Jean Alesi
2. Michael Schumacher
3. Juan Pablo Montoya

1. Ferrari
2. Williams-BMW
3. McLaren-Mercedes

2003
As expected, Schumacher went to Ferrari to replace Alesi. In his place at McLaren came young Brit, Jenson Button, who had impressed at Renault. Schumacher struggled at first, allowing Raikkonen and Montoya to escape in the championship. Schumacher closed the gap by mid season, but in the third quarter of the season, the Ferrari fell away, leaving the two young guns to duke it out. Eventually Raikkonen came out on top, with Button helping the team to a double.

1. Kimi Raikkonen
2. Juan Pablo Montoya
3. Michael Schumacher

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Williams-BMW
3. Ferrari

2004
Again, not much change on the driver front. The only slightly exciting move was Coulthards move from Sauber to BAR. As in RL, Schumacher walked away with the title, with Barrichello second. Alonso and Trulli were there to pick up any spoils from Ferrari, and Coulthard became a podium regular.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Rubens Barrichello
3. Fernando Alonso

1. Ferrari
2. Renault
3. BAR-Honda

2005
With Trulli forced out of Renault, in came none other than Juan Pablo Montoya. Trulli went to Toyota along with Ralf Schumacher. McLaren and Ferrari made no changes. As in RL, Alonso picked up his first title, with McLaren's reliabilty problems hitting them hard. By way of consolation, the Woking squad picked up the WCC, thanks to Montoya making a spate of silly errors. Ferraris win at Indianapolis helped them nab 3rd.

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Kimi Raikkonen
3. Jenson Button

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Renault
3. Ferrari

2006
As in RL, Barrichello left Ferrari for Honda, to be replaced by Massa. McLaren and Renault made no changes. Alonso beat Schumacher to the title in the Germans swansong season, but in a repeat of 2005, second driver problems cost Renault the WCC. This time, Montoya was fired after the French grand prix and Fisichella was bought in at short notice, and thus couldn't stop Ferrari from taking the WCC. As in RL, McLaren struggled, but still picked up regular podiums.

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Michael Schumacher
3. Kimi Raikkonen

1. Ferrari
2. Renault
3. McLaren-Mercedes

2007
Schumachers retirement and Alonsos falling out with Renault made the drivers market incredibly busy at the top. Hamilton had been long guaranteed a McLaren drive, and with Raikkonen off to Ferrari, Ron Dennis wanted Alonso in his team to prevent Ferrari from assembling a "Super Team". Thus, he let Button go (who incidentally went to Ferrari, forcing Massa out of a seat) so Alonso could get the McLaren drive. Massa went off to Renault. At the end of a thrilling season, Raikkonen picked up the title, with the top 4 of Raikkonen, Hamilton, Alonso and Button covered by just 5 points.

1. Kimi Raikkonen
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Fernando Alonso

1. McLaren-Mercedes (DSQ due to Spygate)
2. Ferrari
3. BMW-Sauber

2008
Following Alonsos stormy departure from McLaren, a place at one of the top teams opened, and Robert Kubica was the lucky man to get it. Alonso scuttled off to BMW to replace him, with Ferrari maintaining their drivers. Raikkonen started the season well, but lost motivation following a series of poor results and dropped back. Meanwhile, Kubica managed to defy infighting at McLaren to sneak to the title ahead of Button and teammate Hamilton. Alonso was a constant dark horse and picked up a couple of wins en route to fourth.

1. Robert Kubica
2. Jenson Button
3. Lewis Hamilton

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. BMW-Sauber

2009
Massive rule changes shook the field up for 2009, so much so that youngster Bruno Senna won in his fourth race for Brawn GP. No more wins were to follow though for the youngster. In the end, Rubens Barrichello pipped Sebastian Vettel to the title, completing a fairytale season for Brawn. Unfortunately, Senna's inconsistency cost them the WCC, which went to Red Bull. After slow starts to the season, both Ferrari and McLaren saw both of their respective drivers win races.

1. Rubens Barrichello
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Mark Webber

1. Brawn GP-Mercedes
2. Red Bull-Renault
3. McLaren-Mercedes

2010
For 2010, Alonso joined Ferrari in place of Raikkonen who was entering the WRC, and reigning champ Barrichello went to Williams. Not many thought 2007 could be bettered, with 4 drivers in contention until the final round, but in 2010, both Red Bull drivers, both Ferrari drivers and both McLaren drivers were in contention heading to Abu Dhabi (granted, Button needed a minor miracle, but it was still mathematically possible) Anyway, despite Vettel destroying everyone in a lights to flag win, Kubica drove a sensible race and picked up his second title.

1. Robert Kubica
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Mark Webber

1. Red Bull-Renault
2. McLaren-Mercedes
3. Ferrari

2011
All 3 top teams kept their driver line-ups the same for 2011, and many were predicting another classic season. Thus, when Vettel wrapped up the title with 3 races left, you can understand why many people were surprised. Truth be told, McLaren had lost their way on the reliability front, and Ferraris car simply wasn't fast enough. Kubica did well to hold on to 2nd ahead of Alonso, Webber, Button and Hamilton.

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Robert Kubica
3. Fernando Alonso

1. Red Bull-Renault
2. Ferrari
3. McLaren-Mercedes

2012
Again, all 3 top teams made no changes on the driver front. The season was characterised by tyre craziness, but the tyre whisperer himself, Jenson Button, couldn't make the most of this, given the Ferrari was simply awful. Alonso managed to drag it into title contention, but was undone at the penultimate round. Meanwhile, McLaren had built the quickest car, but unreliability threatened their chances again. Eventually, Hamilton picked up his first title, ahead of Vettel and Kubica.

1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Robert Kubica

1. McLaren-Mercedes
2. Red Bull-Renault
3. Ferrari

So to sum up
1991: Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Honda); McLaren-Honda
1992: Jean Alesi (Williams-Renault); Williams-Renault
1993: Ayrton Senna (Williams-Renault); Williams-Renault
1994: Jean Alesi (Williams-Renault); Benetton-Ford
1995: Michael Schumacher (Benetton-Renault); Benetton-Renault
1996: Damon Hill (Williams-Renault); Williams-Renault
1997: Jacques Villeneuve (Williams-Renault); Williams-Renault
1998: Michael Schumacher (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes
1999: Mika Hakkinen (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes
2000: Michael Schumacher (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes
2001: Michael Schumacher (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes
2002: Jean Alesi (Ferrari); Ferrari
2003: Kimi Raikkonen (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes
2004: Michael Schumacher (Ferrari); Ferrari
2005: Fernando Alonso (Renault); McLaren-Mercedes
2006: Fernando Alonso (Renault); Ferrari
2007: Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari); McLaren-Mercedes
2008: Robert Kubica (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes
2009: Rubens Barrichello (Brawn GP-Mercedes); Red Bull-Renault
2010: Robert Kubica (McLaren-Mercedes); Red Bull-Renault
2011: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull-Renault); Red Bull-Renault
2012: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes); McLaren-Mercedes

Senna wins 4 titles
Prost only has 3 titles
Mansell wins no titles
Alesi wins 3 titles
Schumacher wins 5 titles
Hill wins 1 title
Villeneuve wins 1 title
Hakkinen wins 1 title
Raikkonen wins 2 titles
Alonso wins 2 titles
Kubica wins 2 titles
Barrichello wins 1 title
Vettel wins one title
Hamilton wins 1 title

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 29 Jul 2013, 14:40

That seemed to be accurate but it felt really unreal. You should make a post on the alternate wiki similar to Backmarker's.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 31 Jul 2013, 13:25

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Despite being evenly matched on points in 1991, Patrese couldn't get to grips with the Frenchman, and quickly lost motivation

To be honest, I don't see that. Sure, Alesi had a lot of raw talent, however a significant part of why Patrese was always well behind Mansell was the latter playing out all his experience in F1 politics and driving in addition to a preset #2 role, something Alesi just would not have. While I do not doubt Alesi could have beaten Patrese, the Italian would be very unlikely to drop out of the top three.

inchworm · Post by **inchworm** » 01 Aug 2013, 10:59

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Ferrari had a shocker, picking up just 7 points, dropping to 7th in the WCC.

So Prost compares it to a truck, gets sacked and goes where for 1993?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 01 Aug 2013, 11:01

inchworm wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Ferrari had a shocker, picking up just 7 points, dropping to 7th in the WCC.

So Prost compares it to a truck, gets sacked and goes where for 1993?

Retirement, by the looks of things.
After all, Alesi's move would cause a lot of changes in the driver market.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Aug 2013, 11:13

Dark77 wrote:
Matt121 wrote:What if Sebastian Vettel didn't win the 2008 Italian Grand Prix in the Toro Rosso

I think he'd still get the Red Bull seat for 2009 given some of his other performances like in Brazil so I don't think much would change.

He'd already had the second Red Bull seat in his back pocket long before that, as I believe the deal was done some time before the British Grand Prix.

Shizuka wrote:
giraurd wrote:I also wondered about that Silverstone thing - is it faster to take the finish line that way though?

In the current configuration, I do believe yes.

I'm fairly certain the FIA made a ruling somewhere that anyone who tried to pull off that trick would be given the time equivalent of a stop-go penalty.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 01 Aug 2013, 12:41

What if they let every team in for 2010 and brought back pre-qualifying for it?

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 01 Aug 2013, 16:13

What if AJ Allmendinger got into F1 in 2007?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 01 Aug 2013, 16:19

Dark77 wrote:What if AJ Allmendinger got into F1 in 2007?

It depends on how well he would've adapted. Assuming he would've gone to Toro Rosso, I'd guess he would've outperformed whoever was left out of Liuzzi or Speed, but I'm not sure he would be so strong against Vettel, no matter how well he adapted. Still, it's entirely possible he could've replaced Webber at some point, or been picked up by Brawn/Mercedes to replace Barrichello, replacing Massa at Ferrari after his accident at Hungary, or Kubica at Renault.

Assuming he could perform to the level he did in CART, I think Allmendinger could've won several Grands Prix in the right equipment, maybe even threatened for a title in the right circumstances. I'm not sure he could win one unless he was in a very dominant position though.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 01 Aug 2013, 16:25

Dark77 wrote:What if AJ Allmendinger got into F1 in 2007?

With Red Bull? Points would be likely just as long as he got accustomed to F1 and kept the car on the road! Can't imagine him surviving a chaotic race e.g. Montreal, Nurburgring or Fuji and would be as bad as Scott Speed in terms of interteam relationships i.e. he wouldn't last long and would get fired at some point.

Apologies if this has been asked before but what if Jacques Villeneuve performed well enough to stay at BAR for 2004/

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 01 Aug 2013, 16:41

good_Ralf wrote: Can't imagine him surviving a chaotic race e.g. Montreal, Nurburgring or Fuji and would be as bad as Scott Speed in terms of interteam relationships i.e. he wouldn't last long and would get fired at some point.

This is all based on what, exactly? I know Allmendinger has a bit of a reputation for crashing cars, but in ChampCar in 2006 he was very good at staying out of trouble - I don't see why he'd suddenly regress back to that.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 01 Aug 2013, 16:47

Salamander wrote:
good_Ralf wrote: Can't imagine him surviving a chaotic race e.g. Montreal, Nurburgring or Fuji and would be as bad as Scott Speed in terms of interteam relationships i.e. he wouldn't last long and would get fired at some point.

This is all based on what, exactly? I know Allmendinger has a bit of a reputation for crashing cars, but in ChampCar in 2006 he was very good at staying out of trouble - I don't see why he'd suddenly regress back to that.

Don't know Allmendinger that much and I've only been into IndyCar/ChampCar for a few months now. My prediction would make a good story, wouldn't it?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 01 Aug 2013, 16:54

good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
good_Ralf wrote: Can't imagine him surviving a chaotic race e.g. Montreal, Nurburgring or Fuji and would be as bad as Scott Speed in terms of interteam relationships i.e. he wouldn't last long and would get fired at some point.

This is all based on what, exactly? I know Allmendinger has a bit of a reputation for crashing cars, but in ChampCar in 2006 he was very good at staying out of trouble - I don't see why he'd suddenly regress back to that.

Don't know Allmendinger that much and I've only been into IndyCar/ChampCar for a few months now. My prediction would make a good story, wouldn't it?

No. Especially not if you don't know much about him.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 01 Aug 2013, 17:00

Salamander wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
This is all based on what, exactly? I know Allmendinger has a bit of a reputation for crashing cars, but in ChampCar in 2006 he was very good at staying out of trouble - I don't see why he'd suddenly regress back to that.

Don't know Allmendinger that much and I've only been into IndyCar/ChampCar for a few months now. My prediction would make a good story, wouldn't it?

No. Especially not if you don't know much about him.

He's right. If you don't know anything about someone then don't bother posting. It is a bit of an annoying habit that you developed as well.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 01 Aug 2013, 17:11

Understood. :cry:

gnrpoison · Post by **gnrpoison** » 01 Aug 2013, 17:17

FullMetalJack wrote:What if they let every team in for 2010 and brought back pre-qualifying for it?

How many entrants do you reckon would have realistically made it, as I would think, the Prodrive - Aston Martin, Lola, Stefan would have been alongside litespeed, campos and manor would have realistically got entries, so that is 34 entries. I could see Prodrive, Lola and Stefan making the grid instead of Virgin and Hispania on most circuits, also reckon we may have lost a few by 2013 leaving us in the 27/28 entries as reckon ART would have joined due to no limits on the entires.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 02 Aug 2013, 06:08

FullMetalJack wrote:What if they let every team in for 2010 and brought back pre-qualifying for it?

So off the top of my head, we would have:

Lotus/Caterham
Virgin/Marussia
Hispania/HRT
USF1
Epsilon Esukadi (I think)
Coloni (I think)
Stefan GP
I know there's others

USF1 would fail, we all know that. Esukadi I think are now in receivership so they probably would've struggled too. Coloni? Might be ok. Stefan GP would be for 'teh lulz'.

Julien · Post by **Julien** » 02 Aug 2013, 07:01

But F1 needs 'lulz' teams too! We need heroic backmakers who fight for qualifying on an event!

Post by **mario** » 02 Aug 2013, 07:22

AdrianSutil wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:What if they let every team in for 2010 and brought back pre-qualifying for it?

So off the top of my head, we would have:

Lotus/Caterham
Virgin/Marussia
Hispania/HRT
USF1
Epsilon Esukadi (I think)
Coloni (I think)
Stefan GP
I know there's others

USF1 would fail, we all know that. Esukadi I think are now in receivership so they probably would've struggled too. Coloni? Might be ok. Stefan GP would be for 'teh lulz'.

Stefan probably couldn't have fielded a team even if he wanted to (whilst he claimed that he'd bought Toyota's old parts and cars, I believe that Toyota said they'd only sold him a few old bits of equipment) - as for Coloni, I can't find a reference to an actual entry being submitted (it might just have been an expression of interest - Wurz's Team Superfund proposal fits into that category, as he never actually submitted a formal entry). Epsilon Euskadi were an official reserve team at the time, but USF1's withdrawal was too late for them to take advantage of it and their bid in 2011 was turned down because the team was judged to be financially unsound (they were declared bankrupt a few years ago - possibly even in 2011 - so they probably would have struggled to even last a season in F1).

Most of the other proposals were effectively just paper entrants, such as the proposal to revive the Brabham marque, which looked more like a third party hoping to make a quick buck by snapping up an old famous team name (until the Brabham family stepped in). The only entrants that might have put together a credible package might have been Prodrive and Lola - Lola did at least have a wind tunnel model under development, whilst Prodrive was looking to revive it's original plans for linking up with McLaren (although that would have been on a partnership basis, as is the case with Force India and McLaren, rather than as a customer team, mainly due to Williams's objections).

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 02 Aug 2013, 07:25

This has probably been covered but What If Johnny Herbert hadnt had his career defining accident in F3000? Could he really have been as great as many people thought at the time?