F1 Alternativ: season 1990

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:10

pycku wrote:Does that mean that I have to pay 4.5 mln every time to test it or just 500 k ?

You have to pay the 4.5m just once! After you payed and testet it for the first time you only have to pay 500k!

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:14

Hermann95 wrote:
pycku wrote:Does that mean that I have to pay 4.5 mln every time to test it or just 500 k ?

You have to pay the 4.5m just once! After you payed and testet it for the first time you only have to pay 500k!

Thanks for explanation, just one more question - obviously by testing with 3 cars there isn't 70% chance of active suspension working (it is lower). What is the chance of successful testing active suspension with tests and does it grow with every next test?

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:29

Do these high techincal upgrades have a better chance of being successfull quicker with some of the bigger teams then the smaller teams. as teams likes Mclaren and Ferrari surely have better resources then teams like Onyx and Minardi

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:37

Pre season Testing: Hockenheim

Ferrari

Cooling system not succesful
Gearbox succesful
Suspension succesful

Brabham

Floor succesful

Mclaren

Floor succesful

Eurobrun

Sequential Gearbox systems didn't work
Power Steering systems didn't work

AGS

Rear Wing not succesful
Front Wing succesful

Leyton House

Front Wing succesful

Time Table

1 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:46.970
2 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:47.112
3 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:47.114
4 Bernd Scheider (Meclaren-Honda(T)) 1:47.182
5 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:47.419
6 Yannick Dalmas (Ferrari(T)) 1:47.911
7 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) 1:49.036
8 Aguri Suzuki (Brabham-Ford(T)) 1:49.440
9 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:49.482
10 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:49.534
11 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:49.606
12 Eric Bernard (Leyton House-Ford(T)) 1:49.847
13 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:50.276
14 Emmanuel Collard (AGS-Lamborghini(T)) 1:50.429
15 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:50.914
16 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:51.051
17 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:51.391
18 JJ Lehto (Eurobrun-Ford(T)) 1:52.587

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:41

pycku wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:
pycku wrote:Does that mean that I have to pay 4.5 mln every time to test it or just 500 k ?

You have to pay the 4.5m just once! After you payed and testet it for the first time you only have to pay 500k!

Thanks for explanation, just one more question - obviously by testing with 3 cars there isn't 70% chance of active suspension working (it is lower). What is the chance of successful testing active suspension with tests and does it grow with every next test?

During the development stage you earn delevopment progress(calculatet in %). This depends on amount of cars testing, team status and luck! Once you've reached 100% it will say: Systems worked! from than you can use this things an delevop them like standart parts!

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:43

Last! My total and utter inexperience at these things has sealed my team ROTY already!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:43

Hermann95 wrote:Pre season Testing: Hockenheim

Ferrari

Cooling system not succesful
Gearbox succesful
Suspension succesful

Brabham

Floor succesful

Mclaren

Floor succesful

Eurobrun

Sequential Gearbox systems didn't work
Power Steering systems didn't work

AGS

Rear Wing not succesful
Front Wing succesful

Leyton House

Front Wing succesful

Time Table

1 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:46.970
2 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:47.112
3 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:47.114
4 Bernd Scheider (Meclaren-Honda(T)) 1:47.182
5 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:47.419
6 Yannick Dalmas (Ferrari(T)) 1:47.911
7 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) 1:49.036
8 Aguri Suzuki (Brabham-Ford(T)) 1:49.440
9 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:49.482
10 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:49.534
11 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:49.606
12 Eric Bernard (Leyton House-Ford(T)) 1:49.847
13 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:50.276
14 Emmanuel Collard (AGS-Lamborghini(T)) 1:50.429
15 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:50.914
16 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:51.051
17 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:51.391
18 JJ Lehto (Eurobrun-Ford(T)) 1:52.587

Well that was generally successful. I feel cautiously optimistic about our chances this season

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 04 Aug 2013, 17:46

Have a feeling its going to be quite a competive season especially teh mid-field teams

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 04 Aug 2013, 18:10

Hermann95 wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:Dammit, I didn't know about this. I'll have to wait for 1991

As FantometteBR has requested Jordan, would I be able to take the Modena team for 1991?

You can still request Jordan because FantometteBr is in with Osella in this season!
If you like i will sign you up with Jordan for the next season!

Excellent. I'll take Jordan then.

Post by **Ataxia** » 04 Aug 2013, 18:32

The car needs a lot more work if we're going to be regular fixtures out of pre-qualifying. Luckily, we have a healthy budget to fall back on so we can develop over the year.

Caffi's proving to be quite the acquisition too.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 04 Aug 2013, 19:08

Minardi would like to sign Bruno Giacomelli as our test driver.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 05 Aug 2013, 11:12

Samster wrote:Minardi would like to sign Bruno Giacomelli as our test driver.

How much?

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 05 Aug 2013, 12:27

Hermann95 wrote:
Samster wrote:Minardi would like to sign Bruno Giacomelli as our test driver.

How much?

We will offer him 200K.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 05 Aug 2013, 15:26

Minardi

Bruno Giacomelli will sign with Minardi for 200k.

PS: Does anyone exactly know which teams had to pre-qualify at the start of 1990?

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 05 Aug 2013, 15:29

Hermann95 wrote:Minardi

Bruno Giacomelli will sign with Minardi for 200k.

PS: Does anyone exactly know which teams had to pre-qualify at the start of 1990?

Larrouse AGS and Eurobrun in terms of 2 car teams and Osella Coloni and Life in terms of 1 car teams

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Aug 2013, 15:33

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Larrouse AGS and Eurobrun in terms of 2 car teams and Osella Coloni and Life in terms of 1 car teams

Oh goody, 32 DNPQ's coming up.

Post by **Ataxia** » 05 Aug 2013, 15:40

We're starting in pre-qualifying? Damn...

Is there a chance AGS can make an investment in a test before the season opens?

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 05 Aug 2013, 15:56

Ataxia wrote:We're starting in pre-qualifying? Damn...

Is there a chance AGS can make an investment in a test before the season opens?

Nope, pre-season testing ends today! Each team had 2 oportunities! Same for all!

PS: i would like to start the 1st race tomorow but i still need the second driver from Coloni!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Aug 2013, 15:58

Hermann95 wrote:
Ataxia wrote:We're starting in pre-qualifying? Damn...

Is there a chance AGS can make an investment in a test before the season opens?

Nope, pre-season testing ends today! Each team had 2 oportunities! Same for all!

PS: i would like to start the 1st race tomorow but i still need the second driver from Coloni!

Do you need a second driver? Coloni only had one driver in 1990...

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 05 Aug 2013, 16:01

good_Ralf wrote:Last! My total and utter inexperience at these things has sealed my team ROTY already!

You're not very confident are you Ralf? If you can show some spirit then you might do better than you think.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 05 Aug 2013, 16:02

Yeah they wan't to race with 2 cars! They sayed that they wanna have Montermini but did't say how much they would pay! :evil:

Deadline: for driver line up's(first race) 6th August 17:00 EEST

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 05 Aug 2013, 16:53

Pre season Testing: Imola

Ferrari

Cooling System succesful
Gearbox not succesful
Suspension not succesful

Osella

Rear Wing not succesful
Suspension succesful

Minardi

Front Wing succesful
Rear Wing not succesful
Floor not succesful

Ligier

Suspension not succesful
Rear Wing succesful

Larrousse

Steering System succesful
Rear Wing succesful
Suspension not succesful

Eurobrun

Power Steering system didn't work
Sequential Gearbox system did't work

Coloni

Suspension not succesful

Leyton House

Rear Wing not succesful

Lotus

Rear Wing succesful
Front Wing not succesful

Time Table

1 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:28.414
2 Yannick Dalmas (Ferrari(T)) 1:28.659
3 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:28.761
4 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) 1:29.700
5 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:30.432
6 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:30.512
7 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:30.624
8 Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) 1:30.626
9 Johnny Herbert (Larrouse-Ford(T)) 1:30.659
10 Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) 1:30.680
11 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:30.773
12 Eric Bernard (Leyton House-Ford(T)) 1:30.829
13 Fabricio Giovanardi (Minardi-Judd) 1:30.832
14 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) 1:30.910
15 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:30.918
16 Claudio Langes (Lotus-Judd(T)) 1:31.154
17 Bruno Giacomelli (Minardi-Judd(T)) 1:31.239
18 Erik Comas (Ligier-Ford(T)) 1:31.292
19 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:31.526
20 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:31.581
21 Thomas Danielsson (Osella-Ford(T)) 1:31.853
22 JJ Lehto (Eurobrun-Ford(T)) 1:32.084
23 Olivier Grouillard (Osella-Ford) 1:32.264
24 Piercarlo Ghinzani (Osella-Ford) 1:32.582
25 Paolo Barilla (Coloni-Judd) 1:32.624

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 05 Aug 2013, 20:16

Good job - two upgrades worked out of three! We could be close to Lotus and Leyton House as it seems...

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 05 Aug 2013, 23:23

Autosport wrote:F1 Alternative 1990 season preview
After pre season testings are over we can give a quike look on team performances and expectations for the 1990 season.
After analysing the pre season testing time tables we can say the following:

Mclaren
Alain Prost the defending world champion is still driving for the team. They look very competative and set the fastest times at Jerez and Hockenheim. Prost's teammate will be the young frenchman Jean Alesi. He surprised everyone with setting the fastest time at Hockenheim!

Ferrari
Ferrari managed to set the fastest time at Imola and the second fastest at Hockenheim. t looks like they are very close to Mclaren and most experts think that it will be a fight for the Championship between this two teams. 3 times world Champion Nelson Piquet will be their greatest weapon.

Benneton
1988 champion Ayrton Senna is the new star at Benneton. He sayed that the car handles well but they also have a big problem: The engine! Benneton didn't managed to get a new engine for this season resulting in driving with the old Cosworth 89' spec engines. There is a massive lack of power in the Benneton car but they can hope to get some decent results especially at tracks like monaco.

Williams
Williams made some good pre season testings. Thierry Boutson was fastest at Silverstone. They look very close to the Benneton's fighting for the 3rd place in the constructors chamionship but they have a much stronger engine which will give big advantages on fast tracks.

Tyrell
Tyrell is able to fight for points in nearly every race. Powerd with strong Renault engines they look compatative everywhere. Mark Blundell set the fastest time at Le Castellet which proofed the good performance they have.

Larrouse
They have to compete in pre-qualifying. Despite that they lokked very competative and are supposed to score points during the season.

Leyton House
Experts say that Leyton House could be a surprise this season. They had a pretty good test at imola which proofed that they are close to Lotus and Larrouse.

Lotus
With their new star Gerhard Berger they lokk very competative to score points and maybe even podiums this season. If they make some progress during the season they could even fight the Tyrell's.

Footwork Arrows
Arrow's surprisingly showed an active suspension construction during pre season testing. If they get theyr things together and success in developing this ambitious thing they may even fight for podiums. Otherwise they will fight with Leyton House and Larrouse.

Brabham
Nigel Mansell surprisingly signed with Brabham. He proofed that the Brabham BT59 isn't a bad car and that the team will be able to score points.

Ligier
The French team was abit slower than minardi during pre season testing. The chance of scorung points isn't really high.

Minardi
Minardi could be able to score some points, but only if the top and top-midfielder teams strugle.

Onyx
They where a bit slower than Minardi and will compete against them and Ligier in the Lower-Midfield.

AGS
They have to compete in pre-qualifying. We think they will make it the most time but they could have some troubles to qualify for the race.

Dallara
They made some good progress during pre season but don't look competative eneough for points. Maybe they could surprise with some top10 results.

Osella
They will compete during pre qualifying but experts say that they will have some serious problems to make it!

Eurobrun
Looks the same as for Osella but they are a bit faster. However, they tried a new power steering system and a sequential gearbox. If they can run those things they won't have troubles to participate in races we think but some say that Eurobrun have very big financial problems.

Coloni
They where as slow as expectet. It is still posibble that they run only one car during the season whichwill very likely not make it trough pre-qualifying.

We are very excited about the season start. Hopefully it will be a very exciting and gripping season.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 06 Aug 2013, 06:04

Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 06 Aug 2013, 09:23

I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 09:45

Shizuka wrote:Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

Yeah, after the 8th race they will be changed. Top 13 teams in the constructors championship don't have to prequalify. The rest will have to.

pycku wrote:I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

As said in the text. If you can develop the active suspension it could be good. Otherwise....

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 06 Aug 2013, 10:52

Realistically, all we can hope for is a good season to get a decent engine on board for 1991

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 06 Aug 2013, 12:30

Hermann95 wrote:
Shizuka wrote:Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

Yeah, after the 8th race they will be changed. Top 13 teams in the constructors championship don't have to prequalify. The rest will have to.

pycku wrote:I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

As said in the text. If you can develop the active suspension it could be good. Otherwise....

Looking how it was in real-life, I believe it was last 8 races of 1989+first 8 races of 1990.

In 1990 first half, 10 teams had scored. Additionally Monteverdi and Minardi who had 7th place were in (both had points from the latter half 1989). Dallara had the advantage over Ligier although they had 11th and Ligier 9th as the best result of 1990. Dallara had three 7ths in 1989 latter half. Ligier stayed in the pre-qualifying for two races until Monteverdi pulled out of F1.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 06 Aug 2013, 14:20

Bleu wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:
Shizuka wrote:Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

Yeah, after the 8th race they will be changed. Top 13 teams in the constructors championship don't have to prequalify. The rest will have to.

pycku wrote:I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

As said in the text. If you can develop the active suspension it could be good. Otherwise....

Looking how it was in real-life, I believe it was last 8 races of 1989+first 8 races of 1990.

In 1990 first half, 10 teams had scored. Additionally Monteverdi and Minardi who had 7th place were in (both had points from the latter half 1989). Dallara had the advantage over Ligier although they had 11th and Ligier 9th as the best result of 1990. Dallara had three 7ths in 1989 latter half. Ligier stayed in the pre-qualifying for two races until Monteverdi pulled out of F1.

Yeah, so McLaren, Williams, Ferrari and Benetton will be safe no matter what as they all managed wins in the second half of 1989. So should Tyrrell, Arrows and Lotus as they got decent points. Onyx got a podium so they should be safe.

So theoretically, it'll be 5 out of:

Minardi
Brabham
Dallara
Larrousse
Ligier
AGS
Osella
Eurobrun
Coloni

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 20:18

Yeah i will do that mid-season

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 20:33

Round 1 Phoenix

Pre-Qualifying

1 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:34.035
2 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:34.793
3 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:35.554
4 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:35.770
5 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:36.052 DNPQ
6 Olivier Grouillard (Osella-Ford) 1:36.329 DNPQ
7 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:36.589 DNPQ
8 Piercarlo Ghinzani (Osella-Ford) 1:36.716 DNPQ
9 Paolo Barilla (Coloni-Judd) 1:37.405 DNPQ

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 06 Aug 2013, 21:15

I changed some numbers in the entry list. Since Osella is with two cars (one in real-life), I moved them to 17/18, the place they held in 1989. AGS took 31/32 (Coloni's 1989 numbers) and Coloni, having single car is number 14. Just so that each team has successive numbers and not like Osella was, listed with 14&37.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 21:54

Bleu wrote:I changed some numbers in the entry list. Since Osella is with two cars (one in real-life), I moved them to 17/18, the place they held in 1989. AGS took 31/32 (Coloni's 1989 numbers) and Coloni, having single car is number 14. Just so that each team has successive numbers and not like Osella was, listed with 14&37.

Thank's for this. I consider to move to the newer number system(the 1995 one) next season. Bt this is also up to all competitors if they want it.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 22:00

Round 1: Phoenix

Qualifying

1 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:32.201
2 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:32.283
3 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:32.434
4 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:32.665
5 Ayrton Senna (Benneton-Ford) 1:32.730
6 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault) 1:32.778
7 Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ford) 1:33.047
8 Stefano Modena (Williams-Renault) 1:33.115
9 Mark Blundell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:33.531
10 Martin Brundle (Tyrell-Renault) 1:33.578
11 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) 1:33.789
12 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) 1:33.961
13 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:34.148
14 Mika Häkkinen (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:34.162
15 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:34.363
16 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:34.438
17 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:34.523
18 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:34.617
19 Rene Arnoux (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:34.778
20 Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) 1:34.836
21 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) 1:34.838
22 Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) 1:34.852
23 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:34.863
24 Stefan Johansson (Onyx-Ford) 1:34.869
25 Nicola Larini (Dallara-Lamborghini) 1:34.953
26 Fabricio Giovanardi (Minardi-Judd) 1:35.177
27 Gabriele Tarquini (Dallara-Lamborghini) 1:35.238 DNQ
28 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:35.472 DNQ
29 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:35.667 DNQ
30 Gregor Foitek (Onyx-Ford) 1:35.963 DNQ

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 06 Aug 2013, 22:15

Damn, Tarquini almost made it! At least Larini will put some miles to the car

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 06 Aug 2013, 22:34

I'm pretty sure the Ferrari was not that good at the start of 1990.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 22:51

Round 1: Phoenix

Race

It was a very exciting race here at Phoenix. From the start Alain Prost took the lead. 2nd Piquet and 3rd Alesi. Senna came 4th and Nakajima 5th. Nannini had a bad start putting him back in 13th position. In lap 19 de Cesaris tryed to overtake Nannini but failed. Both cars had to ritire. Prost had a very comfortable lead as he came in to take some fresh rubber. All top drivers did the same, except Senna. He stayed out and took the lead. Prost was much faster than Senna and chased him a few rounds. Than he made a mistake. In lap 48 he didn't saw the very slow Onyx from Stefan Johannson(who had a gearbox failure). He damaged his front wing and a flat left front tyre. He had to pit again. Ayrton Senna now had a compfortable lead. New 2nd was pole-sitter Nelson Piquet. He had some trubble to hold the young frenchman Jean Alesi behind him. It was an epic battle and Piquet won it. In lap 65(of72) Ivan Capelli and mark Blundell ended up their hard fight for the 6th place by colliding and smashing into the barriers. Lukily no one was injured. This caused that Michele Alboreto, who didn't made a pit stop, was new 6th. He managed to bring the car home and scored 1 piont for Minardi. Ricardo Patrese had some seriuos problams to hold the pace of the other cars around him, causing him to only finish 17th. Same for Arnoux who finished 20th. He was outperformed by his teammate Mika Häkkinen who finished 11.

1 Ayrton Senna (Benneton-Ford) 2:00:25.254
2 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 2:00:52.381
3 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 2:00:53.536
4 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 2:01:42.602
5 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault) -1 lap
6 Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) -1 lap
7 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) -1 lap
8 Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) -1 lap
9 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) -1 lap
10 Martin Brundle (Tyrell-Renault) -1 lap
11 Mika Häkkinen (Footwork Arrows-Ford) -1 lap
12 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) -1 lap
13 Stefano Modena (Williams-Renault) -1 lap
14 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) -1 lap
15 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) -1 lap
16 Nicola Larini (Dallara-Lamborghini) -2 laps
17 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) -2 laps
18 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) -2 laps
19 Fabricio Giovanardi (Minardi-Judd) -2 laps
20 Rene Arnoux (Footwork Arrows-Ford) -2 laps
21 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) -2 laps
— Mark Blundell (Tyrell-Renault) DNF lap 65/Collision
Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) DNF lap 65/Collision
Stefan Johansson (Onyx-Ford) DNF lap 48/Gearbox
Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ford) DNF lap 19/Collision
Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) DNF lap 19/Collision
EDIT: Fastest Lap: Alain Prost 1:32:216

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Aug 2013, 22:52

Salamander wrote:I'm pretty sure the Ferrari was not that good at the start of 1990.

Prost won the second race in 1990, so the Ferrari wasn't that bad. Maybe not as good as here, but this is an alternative past

Post by **Ataxia** » 06 Aug 2013, 22:58

Getting out of prequalifying was good, but we aim to be a regular fixture on the grid and not DNQ-fodder. Some investments have to be made...