2013 Italian Grand Prix Thread

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 07 Sep 2013, 13:31

Alonso is throwing a massive temper tantrum. Anyone know why?

Post by **kevinbotz** » 07 Sep 2013, 13:33

TheBigJ wrote:Alonso is throwing a massive temper tantrum. Anyone know why?

Slipstream scheme went badly wrong.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 07 Sep 2013, 13:43

TheBigJ wrote:Alonso is throwing a massive temper tantrum. Anyone know why?

If he really did say to the team "you're all stupid" over the radio that won't endear him to anyone there. I wonder if Ferrari could be looking for two new drivers next year. Hulkenberg simply must be one of them.

Schumacher said in his BBC interview that he doesn't think Alonso has got the team around him enough.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 07 Sep 2013, 13:56

LellaLombardi wrote: I wonder if Ferrari could be looking for two new drivers next year.

From Thursday's PC:

Alonso

I still have three and a half more years with Ferrari which I intend to respect and hopefully to increase a little bit, and as I said, finish my career in the best team in the world which is Ferrari.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 07 Sep 2013, 14:10

Jocke1 wrote:
LellaLombardi wrote: I wonder if Ferrari could be looking for two new drivers next year.

From Thursday's PC:

Alonso
I still have three and a half more years with Ferrari which I intend to respect and hopefully to increase a little bit, and as I said, finish my career in the best team in the world which is Ferrari.

I don't think that will happen now given the words on the radio from Alonso.

razta · Post by **razta** » 07 Sep 2013, 14:18

Hamilton's Facebook status

I just didn't get a lap together in Q2 today and it's hugely disappointing, not just for me, but also for the team and I can only apologise to them as we had a quick car today. Qualifying has always been a real strong point for me but it really didn't come together this afternoon. Q1 was fine but I didn't do a good enough job in Q2. I came off at Parabolica on my first run which damaged the car and it was a downward spiral from there really. We will see what we can do from here tomorrow. I'll be pushing like hell to get a decent finish!

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 07 Sep 2013, 14:28

razta wrote:Hamilton's Facebook status
I just didn't get a lap together in Q2 today and it's hugely disappointing, not just for me, but also for the team and I can only apologise to them as we had a quick car today. Qualifying has always been a real strong point for me but it really didn't come together this afternoon. Q1 was fine but I didn't do a good enough job in Q2. I came off at Parabolica on my first run which damaged the car and it was a downward spiral from there really. We will see what we can do from here tomorrow. I'll be pushing like hell to get a decent finish!

I bet Hamilton doesn't get points due to this poor start.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 07 Sep 2013, 14:37

kevinbotz wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Alonso is throwing a massive temper tantrum. Anyone know why?

Slipstream scheme went badly wrong.

What was he planning for tomorow? Have Massa in front for the duration? Hmm. I sense a slight problem with winning the race if thats the case :lol:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 07 Sep 2013, 14:56

Shiners of Qualifying

Hulkenberg: No contest Whatsoever
Ricciardo and Vergne: Made Q3 in the Dry and JEV's meant to be Crap over a single lap
Van der Garde: Comfortably the quickest of the young teams
Ferrari Engines: Half the Top 10 is made up of Ferrari engines

Shockers of Qualifying
Ferrari Slipstreaming: Got it horribly wrong
Lotus: Their lack of qualy pace this year bit them hard here
Farce India: OMG what the hell has gone wrong here....
Adrian Sutil: ....Not that Sutil helped by impeding Lewis
Esteban Gutierrez: He's been poor before but just when the Sauber is quick enough to make Q3 Guti falls in Q1 AGAIN!!

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Sep 2013, 15:00

How in the world did Hulkenburg get into the top three??

Ferrari has to consider him for a seat now.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 07 Sep 2013, 15:03

While this is Vettel's 4th Pole of the year it's the first one he's taken in Full Dry Conditions such has been Mercedes Domination over the Majority of Qualy this season

Australia: Wet in Q1 and Q2
Malaysia: Wet in Q2 and Q3
Canada: Wet Throughout

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Sep 2013, 16:10

Heavy rain now? Maybe...after the race.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 07 Sep 2013, 16:13

Dj_bereta wrote:

Heavy rain now? Maybe...after the race.

Do not believe this at all. Believing in the rain jinxes it?

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 07 Sep 2013, 16:38

Nah, it won't rain...

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 07 Sep 2013, 17:46

TheBigJ wrote:Nah, it won't rain...

cats and dogs, fo sho!

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 07 Sep 2013, 17:53

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:

Heavy rain now? Maybe...after the race.

Do not believe this at all. Believing in the rain jinxes it?

It was suppose to rain in SPA!!

also look who won the last wet italian gp-youknowwho

Either way tomorrow is going to be rubbish

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 07 Sep 2013, 17:57

rachel1990 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:

Heavy rain now? Maybe...after the race.

Do not believe this at all. Believing in the rain jinxes it?

It was suppose to rain in SPA!!

also look who won the last wet italian gp-youknowwho

Either way tomorrow is going to be Great

Fixed because I need to slap some optimism into you

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 07 Sep 2013, 18:02

Okay maybe Vettel won't win and Webber will win instead

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 07 Sep 2013, 18:20

rachel1990 wrote:Okay maybe Vettel won't win and Webber will win instead

The Spider Webber will not probably not win.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 07 Sep 2013, 18:37

Aerospeed wrote:How in the world did Hulkenburg get into the top three??

I feel as though many drivers slowed on their final fast laps because of the cloud caused by Vergne's off. Hulk didn't need to and as a result posted that time.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Sep 2013, 20:31

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
rachel1990 wrote:Okay maybe Vettel won't win and Webber will win instead

The Spider Webber will not probably not win.

1 - Webber will make a bad start and finishes the first lap around Hamilton.
2 - Webber will make a great start and force a overtake against Seb, taking the lead. The finger boy loses positions and ends the first lap behind Hulk and Nando.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 07 Sep 2013, 20:33

Dj_bereta wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:
rachel1990 wrote:Okay maybe Vettel won't win and Webber will win instead

The Spider Webber will not probably not win.

1 - Webber will make a bad start and finishes the first lap around Hamilton.
2 - Webber will make a great start and force a overtake against Seb, taking the lead. The finger boy loses positions and ends the first lap behind Hulk and Nando.

I don't care if Vettel win just as long as there's some good entertainment and some twists and turns along the way. Anyone who says there won't be is clearly NOT an F1 fan

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 07 Sep 2013, 21:21

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:The Spider Webber will not probably not win.

1 - Webber will make a bad start and finishes the first lap around Hamilton.
2 - Webber will make a great start and force a overtake against Seb, taking the lead. The finger boy loses positions and ends the first lap behind Hulk and Nando.

I don't care if Vettel win just as long as there's some good entertainment and some twists and turns along the way. Anyone who says there won't be is clearly NOT an F1 fan

Agreed.

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 07 Sep 2013, 21:42

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
I don't care if Vettel win just as long as there's some good entertainment and some twists and turns along the way. Anyone who says there won't be is clearly NOT an F1 fan

I still have some optimism for the race and lower down the grid there should be some good action.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 07 Sep 2013, 22:12

I reckon, given the fact that Hamilton and Ggrrrjjjnnn are out of place grid wise, there could be a monumental pile up at the first chicane

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 07 Sep 2013, 22:24

roblomas52 wrote:I reckon, given the fact that Hamilton and Ggrrrjjjnnn are out of place grid wise, there could be a monumental pile up at the first chicane

Or a repeat of this (with no deaths or injuries, hopefully).

watka · Post by **watka** » 07 Sep 2013, 23:58

Looks like Sauber will be having 2 new drivers next year then:

- Sirotkin's going to drive if Sauber can get his license.
- Hulkenberg's done enough to move up the grid.
- Gutierrez has been royally merked by this qualifying session and has got to go based on his performances this season.

watka · Post by **watka** » 08 Sep 2013, 00:18

Also interesting to see the Force Indias being the slowest through the speed traps. Not what we're historically used to seeing.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 08 Sep 2013, 04:41

watka wrote:Looks like Sauber will be having 2 new drivers next year then:

- Sirotkin's going to drive if Sauber can get his license.
- Hulkenberg's done enough to move up the grid.
- Gutierrez has been royally merked by this qualifying session and has got to go based on his performances this season.

So, Bianchi?

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 08 Sep 2013, 04:46

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Shiners of Qualifying

Hulkenberg: No contest Whatsoever
Ricciardo and Vergne: Made Q3 in the Dry and JEV's meant to be Crap over a single lap
Van der Garde: Comfortably the quickest of the young teams
Ferrari Engines: Half the Top 10 is made up of Ferrari engines

Shockers of Qualifying
Ferrari Slipstreaming: Got it horribly wrong
Lotus: Their lack of qualy pace this year bit them hard here
Farce India: OMG what the hell has gone wrong here....
Adrian Sutil: ....Not that Sutil helped by impeding Lewis
Esteban Gutierrez: He's been poor before but just when the Sauber is quick enough to make Q3 Guti falls in Q1 AGAIN!!

I'd add Hamilton to the shockers list, because Sutil impeding didn't make much difference, he was already 1.3 seconds slower through Sector 1.

Post by **mario** » 08 Sep 2013, 06:31

wsrgo wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Shiners of Qualifying

Hulkenberg: No contest Whatsoever
Ricciardo and Vergne: Made Q3 in the Dry and JEV's meant to be Crap over a single lap
Van der Garde: Comfortably the quickest of the young teams
Ferrari Engines: Half the Top 10 is made up of Ferrari engines

Shockers of Qualifying
Ferrari Slipstreaming: Got it horribly wrong
Lotus: Their lack of qualy pace this year bit them hard here
Farce India: OMG what the hell has gone wrong here....
Adrian Sutil: ....Not that Sutil helped by impeding Lewis
Esteban Gutierrez: He's been poor before but just when the Sauber is quick enough to make Q3 Guti falls in Q1 AGAIN!!

I'd add Hamilton to the shockers list, because Sutil impeding didn't make much difference, he was already 1.3 seconds slower through Sector 1.

It appears that, according to Ross Brawn, Hamilton had damaged the floor of his car by riding the kerbs at the Ascari chicane too aggressively, a problem that was then compounded when he went off again later in the lap. That damage to the car would seem to explain part of that time loss, although where the rest of that time was going is unclear. http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/09/07/floo ... ays-brawn/

watka wrote:Also interesting to see the Force Indias being the slowest through the speed traps. Not what we're historically used to seeing.

You're right, their straight line speed is unusually low for Monza - it did sound, though, as if both drivers were hitting the limiter quite early on the straights, suggesting that they have gone for an unusually short 7th gear for this race. McLaren are also a little slower than you'd expect for this race too - about 5kph down on most of the field - whilst Webber and Vettel, more ominously, are as quick on the straights as their rivals (only about 1.5kph down on Mercedes or Ferrari), meaning they're in the top four in the first and last sectors, but able to comfortably dominate the middle sector where downforce is a little more important.

razta · Post by **razta** » 08 Sep 2013, 08:15

Rain is expected properly :lol:

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 08 Sep 2013, 08:21

razta wrote:Rain is expected properly

I watched the GP3 race, and there were a lot of clouds, but no rain yet.

razta · Post by **razta** » 08 Sep 2013, 08:22

pi314159 wrote:
razta wrote:Rain is expected properly

I watched the GP3 race, and there were a lot of clouds, but no rain yet.

BBC weather, and other weather sources are reporting that it should be there for the start of the race

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 08 Sep 2013, 08:51

If conditions are changeable, Hulkenberg could really do well here.

Also, is it just me, or is the front straight at Monza quite narrow?

razta · Post by **razta** » 08 Sep 2013, 09:12

apparently there was a little shower right now, but more expected later

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 08 Sep 2013, 10:08

razta wrote:apparently there was a little shower right now, but more expected later

http://youtu.be/uU_h8ksmXUg?t=21s

S951 · Post by **S951** » 08 Sep 2013, 11:17

this feels like it is going to be good whether it will be is another thing

when was the last proper wet Monza race?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 08 Sep 2013, 11:22

S951 wrote:this feels like it is going to be good whether it will be is another thing

when was the last proper wet Monza race?

Do you mean before 2008? I don't know man, you have to look back many decades...

According to StatsF1.com is was overcast in 1975 and there was mixed weather (including rain) in 1976 and 1981.
In 2004, it was damp at the start but that doesn't really count.

Hang on, it rained in 1956.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 08 Sep 2013, 11:25

yeah before 2008, mmm supposedly starting to spit down a bit now

hope The Hulk pulls off a good result