Unpopular F1 opinions

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 17 Sep 2013, 19:50

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like "The Chain"

I don't care much about it, but gotto love that bassline!

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 18 Sep 2013, 20:42

I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

watka · Post by **watka** » 18 Sep 2013, 22:57

go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

You, my friend, are a nutter. :lol:

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 19 Sep 2013, 02:53

go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

I didn't mind it as a corner. It was one of the few challenging chicanes that punish you when you make a mistake. It was a bit dangerous though.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Sep 2013, 06:02

go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Really? Because the way it is now, it's actually theoretically possible to overtake there.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Sep 2013, 07:45

Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Really? Because the way it is now, it's actually theoretically possible to overtake there.

But now it is impossible to make a crash spectacular e.g. Kobayashi in quali in 2011 or Raikkonen in 2008.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Sep 2013, 09:00

good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Really? Because the way it is now, it's actually theoretically possible to overtake there.

But now it is impossible to make a crash spectacular e.g. Kobayashi in quali in 2011 or Raikkonen in 2008.

... so what?

Post by **Londoner** » 19 Sep 2013, 09:03

Why does a crash have to be spectacular?

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 19 Sep 2013, 15:16

good_Ralf wrote:But now it is impossible to make a crash spectacular e.g. Kobayashi in quali in 2011 or Raikkonen in 2008.

That's good, I don't want to see drivers possibly being injured.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Sep 2013, 15:18

At least the chicane didn't see a crash like this. Don't think that chicane has been used since...

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Sep 2013, 17:45

dr-baker wrote:At least the chicane didn't see a crash like this. Don't think that chicane has been used since...

If that happened wouldn't the car hit the fencing floor first before it totally flipped over? By the way here is a chicane which I'm sure all of you will have seen already.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Sep 2013, 18:01

NAPA bailing out of Toyota's NASCAR team made me remember this:

http://www.autospies.com/news/Former-To ... age-14510/

Why don't we talk about this more? Spygate still gets brought up in the media a bunch, but this was Spygate before Spygate. And no one ever mentions it. Why? Because even with the data Toyota was a joke?

My unpopular opinion was that this was worse than Spygate. People got (suspended) jail sentences for this after all. Plus with Toyotas history of cheating.....

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Sep 2013, 18:02

Wallio wrote:Plus with Toyotas history of cheating.....

Wasn't their 2003 design a copy of the Ferrari? Personally I thought Toyota did OK in 2003.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 19 Sep 2013, 18:04

good_Ralf wrote:
Wallio wrote:Plus with Toyotas history of cheating.....

Wasn't their 2003 design a copy of the Ferrari? Personally I thought Toyota did OK in 2003.

Not just in F1 as well. Didn't Toyota use illegal fuel in the WRC one year and thus got disqualified from the championship?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Sep 2013, 18:06

good_Ralf wrote:
Wallio wrote:Plus with Toyotas history of cheating.....

Wasn't their 2003 design a copy of the Ferrari? Personally I thought Toyota did OK in 2003.

Yup their 2003 car was a near exact copy of the F2003GA. If I can find the link, a website had the two cars cut in half and then photoshopped together, from the front. They were scary identical. I only bring this up because some of the NASCAR articles mentioned Toyotas past F1 cheating and I had to go, "When did they.....Ooooooohhhhh yea." I just think its weird how quickly it was forgotten.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Sep 2013, 18:08

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
Wallio wrote:Plus with Toyotas history of cheating.....

Wasn't their 2003 design a copy of the Ferrari? Personally I thought Toyota did OK in 2003.

Not just in F1 as well. Didn't Toyota use illegal fuel in the WRC one year and thus got disqualified from the championship?

Not quite, they had a trick turbo that let in way more boost. A turbo in a turbo if you will.

http://crasstalk.com/2011/03/cheatins-still-winnin-the-story-of-toyota-racings-best-cheat-ever/

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 19 Sep 2013, 19:02

Speaking of Toyota I think their color scheme was exciting

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Sep 2013, 19:05

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Speaking of Toyota I think their color scheme was exciting

Imagine if pink was in the the place of the red

. I have a die-cast model of the 2008 car, which I think was at least the 3rd best car they made. It is quite attractive with the bridge front wing and low-drag curved rear wing central element. The big Panasonic logo is also cool.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Sep 2013, 19:17

good_Ralf wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Speaking of Toyota I think their color scheme was exciting

Imagine if pink was in the the place of the red . I have a die-cast model of the 2008 car, which I think was at least the 3rd best car they made. It is quite attractive with the bridge front wing and low-drag curved rear wing central element. The big Panasonic logo is also cool.

Great Segway into another unpopular opinion: I really liked the "double-decker" bridge wings.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Sep 2013, 19:29

Wallio wrote:Great Segway into another unpopular opinion: I really liked the "double-decker" bridge wings.

I like them so much they should still be in F1. They are highly artistic.
Who invented them? Prost had something similar in 2001 but they did not connect to the nose. BAR were the first to produce nose-to-endplate bridge wings, introducing them at Spa in 2005. Soon Ferrari put them on their 2006 car and at Hockenheim later that year, Renault did the same thing. McLaren introduced the first up-and-over-the-nose bridge wings at Monaco in 2007. By 2008, the only teams who didn't use the bridge wing were BMW, Super Aguri and Honda.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 19 Sep 2013, 21:08

watka wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

You, my friend, are a nutter.

You may be right :lol:

good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Really? Because the way it is now, it's actually theoretically possible to overtake there.

But now it is impossible to make a crash spectacular e.g. Kobayashi in quali in 2011 or Raikkonen in 2008.

My head went into my desk right there.

I think the corner should be there for the sake of challenging the driver. But the kerbs were the problem, not the corner itself.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 20 Sep 2013, 09:38

The more rejectful the team the better the livery.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 20 Sep 2013, 10:28

CoopsII wrote:The more rejectful the team the better the livery.

BAR were very rejectful in 1999 and i liked there livery.
I also think the Mastercard Lola livery wa quite nice too

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 20 Sep 2013, 14:38

I wouldn't be sad if Maldonado wasn't on the grid next year.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 20 Sep 2013, 14:44

roblomas52 wrote:
CoopsII wrote:The more rejectful the team the better the livery.

BAR were very rejectful in 1999 and i liked there livery.
I also think the Mastercard Lola livery wa quite nice too

The MasterCard Lola, MTV Simtek and 1994 Pacific are the three best liveries in my opinion (closely followed by the Rothmans Williams).

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 20 Sep 2013, 14:52

I liked all of HRT's liveries.

Post by **mario** » 20 Sep 2013, 17:12

Dark77 wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:But now it is impossible to make a crash spectacular e.g. Kobayashi in quali in 2011 or Raikkonen in 2008.
That's good, I don't want to see drivers possibly being injured.

Mind you, removing the chicane will substantially increase the entry speed to that corner - the very reason why the organisers put that chicane there in the first place was to try to keep cornering speeds low due to the lack of run off and the proximity of a marshalling post, but it has to be said that it seems to have caused more accidents than it might have prevented.

Wallio wrote:NAPA bailing out of Toyota's NASCAR team made me remember this:

http://www.autospies.com/news/Former-To ... age-14510/

Why don't we talk about this more? Spygate still gets brought up in the media a bunch, but this was Spygate before Spygate. And no one ever mentions it. Why? Because even with the data Toyota was a joke?

My unpopular opinion was that this was worse than Spygate. People got (suspended) jail sentences for this after all. Plus with Toyotas history of cheating.....

Toyota's actions at the time certainly were questionable (and there are questions over how many people really knew what was going on), although I would guess that the reason why that case is less well remembered is possibly because, IIRC, Ferrari prosecuted those involved through the Italian courts via a private lawsuit. The fact that the FIA were kept at arms length and both sides preferred to settle things privately probably explains why less of a fuss was made.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 20 Sep 2013, 21:09

dr-baker wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:
CoopsII wrote:The more rejectful the team the better the livery.

BAR were very rejectful in 1999 and i liked there livery.
I also think the Mastercard Lola livery wa quite nice too

The MasterCard Lola, MTV Simtek and 1994 Pacific are the three best liveries in my opinion (closely followed by the Rothmans Williams).

Simtek had possibly the best reject livery ever, either that or Rial.

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 20 Sep 2013, 21:32

good_Ralf wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Speaking of Toyota I think their color scheme was exciting

Imagine if pink was in the the place of the red . I have a die-cast model of the 2008 car, which I think was at least the 3rd best car they made. It is quite attractive with the bridge front wing and low-drag curved rear wing central element. The big Panasonic logo is also cool.

I now know what to make the next Ambrose-Milan cars. Thanks for that

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 20 Sep 2013, 23:45

Dark77 wrote:I wouldn't be sad if Maldonado wasn't on the grid next year.

I would be. He was the best driver out there...

apple2009 wrote:I liked all of HRT's liveries.

Not 2011. Definitely 2011. But the 2012 one was a beauty.

good_Ralf wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Speaking of Toyota I think their color scheme was exciting

Imagine if pink was in the the place of the red

Any F1 car would look good with some pink to distinguish it. Except the McLaren MP4-20.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 21 Sep 2013, 01:55

CoopsII wrote:The more rejectful the team the better the livery.

This explains why Onyx wasn't all that exceptional for a livery. But take all my Moneytron!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Sep 2013, 08:55

While watching the GP2 race which is still going on right now, I have come to an epiphany: Singapore looks better in the day that it does at night.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 21 Sep 2013, 10:46

go_Rubens wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Speaking of Toyota I think their color scheme was exciting

Imagine if pink was in the the place of the red

Any F1 car would look good with some pink to distinguish it. Except the McLaren MP4-20.

That's clearly what Brabham were going for in 1992...

With Damon Hill:

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 21 Sep 2013, 10:48

dr-baker wrote:That's clearly what Brabham were going for in 1992...

With Damon Hill:

I knew someone was going to mention that car...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 21 Sep 2013, 10:58

good_Ralf wrote:
dr-baker wrote:That's clearly what Brabham were going for in 1992...

With Damon Hill:

I knew someone was going to mention that car...

Well, considering it's my avatar...

A future WDC in his first season driving for a former WCC in their final season having a rejectful part-season together!

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 21 Sep 2013, 11:48

dr-baker wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
dr-baker wrote:That's clearly what Brabham were going for in 1992...

With Damon Hill:

I knew someone was going to mention that car...

Well, considering it's my avatar...

A future WDC in his first season driving for a former WCC in their final season having a rejectful part-season together!

Just perfect :lol:

Esteban Gutierrez is a talented driver.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 21 Sep 2013, 13:03

go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Martin Brundle has just agreed with you on sky. He said it took out an unusual element of the track

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 21 Sep 2013, 13:37

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Martin Brundle has just agreed with you on sky. He said it took out an unusual element of the track

Am I still a "nutter?" :lol:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 21 Sep 2013, 14:05

If the 1992 Brabham had been a two-tone magenta/blue car, it would have been gorgeous...

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 21 Sep 2013, 15:13

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Martin Brundle has just agreed with you on sky. He said it took out an unusual element of the track

Brundle is just one person though.