1978 Virtual F1 - Pryce and Arrows champions

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 12 Aug 2013, 16:38

we are in good position to fight for the victory with both our drivers! Let's go Arrows

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 12 Aug 2013, 16:43

Oh come on Satoru, you were quicker than the Heskeths in pre-qualifying yet one of them makes the race and you don't even come close. :evil:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 Aug 2013, 16:52

pycku wrote:we are in good position to fight for the victory with both our drivers! Let's go Arrows

Only if Pryce's car breaks down.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 12 Aug 2013, 21:48

Well, at least i still beat Merzario, Fittipaldi and Boro

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 13 Aug 2013, 13:31

1978 German GP - Race Results:
1. James Hunt (McLaren-Cosworth) 45 Laps
2. Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Cosworth) +34.540
3. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +39.221
4. Elio de Angelis (Ligier-Ferrari) +49.132
5. Riccardo Patrese (Ferrari) +54.113
6. Carlos Pace (Williams-Cosworth) +1:01.583
7. Patrick Depailler (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +1:15.653
8. Rick Mears (Lotus-Renault) +1:28.976
9. Gijs van Lennep (Ligier-Ferrari) +1:34.504
10. Tom Pryce (McLaren-Cosworth) +1 Lap / Transmission
11. Mario Andretti (March-Ferrari) +1 Lap
12. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Renault) +1 Lap
13. Tom Sneva (Penske-Cosworth) +1 Lap
14. Chris Amon (Surtees-Cosworth) +1 Lap
15. Patrick Tambay (Penske-Cosworth) +1 Lap
16. Rene Arnoux (Renault) +4 Laps / Transmission
not classified:
Clay Regazzoni (Ensign-Alfa Romeo) 38 Laps / Clutch
Jochen Mass (ATS-Cosworth) 37 Laps / Clutch
Didier Pironi (Shadow-Cosworth) 36 Laps / Gearbox
Jean-Pierre Jarier (Tyrrell-Cosworth) 30 Laps / Engine
Ronnie Peterson (Shadow-Cosworth) 26 Laps / Engine
Emerson Fittipaldi (Arrows-Cosworth) 21 Laps / Suspension
Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Alfa Romeo) 21 Laps / Clutch
Hans Heyer (ATS-Cosworth) 20 Laps / Clutch
Alan Jones (March-Ferrari) 19 Laps / Accident
Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Alfa Romeo) 17 Laps / Suspension
Bruno Giacomelli (Ensign-Alfa-Romeo) 14 Laps / Clutch
Jacky Ickx (Wolf-Cosworth) 11 Laps / Gearbox
David Purley (Wolf-Cosworth) 10 Laps / Accident
Niki Lauda (Lotus-Renault) 6 Laps / Engine
Tony Trimmer (Theodore/Hesketh-Matra) 4 Laps / Engine
Carlos Reutemann (Williams-Cosworth) 2 Laps / Accident

Fastest Lap: Tom Pryce (McLaren): 1:55.299

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 13 Aug 2013, 13:49

Following a disappointing double retirement, Brabham will spend 400k on reliability

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 13 Aug 2013, 14:25

I have enough with the damn drivetrain parts not holding up!

Ensign will spend 400K in reliability

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 13 Aug 2013, 14:56

Hm, not the best race for us, but still we are challenging McLaren in our first season! Good news for us was that this time it was Tom Pryce rather than James Hunt, who had reliability issues.

However, it seems that Jacques will be our first driver next races, so we will focus on giving him reliable and fast car to battle for the championship. Nothing is lost and we are in the game for both championships 5 races until the end of the year.

Well done to James Hunt, he fought well and with so much misfortune in past, he deserved a victory this season.

Post by **Ataxia** » 13 Aug 2013, 15:13

400k to be spent on grip for Renault, please.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 13 Aug 2013, 15:34

Tyrrell spends 300k on grip and 150k on reliablity

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 13 Aug 2013, 18:00

We will spend 400k on Reliability and another 400k on Grip.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Sep 2013, 09:48

Is this series going on?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 26 Sep 2013, 10:34

I would like to hand my team over to someone else, I'm not that interested to continue my team.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Sep 2013, 12:35

eurobrun wrote:I would like to hand my team over to someone else, I'm not that interested to continue my team.

which one is your team?

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 26 Sep 2013, 14:40

Williams I believe

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 26 Sep 2013, 17:56

Hermann95 wrote:Is this series going on?

I'm going to finish the 1978 season, but I don't know if there will be a 1979 one. There are so many series at the moment, and many of them use racing simulations, so there can be highlights videos, and live streaming, or at least screenshots. I'm just generating the results, so I can't do that. Also, it's only one of currently 5 Formula 1 series on the PMMF. If there is enough interest, I might still run a 1979 season, but at the moment, I don't think this series offers anything other series don't, so I haven't been really motivated to run this over the last 4 weeks.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Sep 2013, 18:18

pi314159 wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Is this series going on?

I'm going to finish the 1978 season, but I don't know if there will be a 1979 one. There are so many series at the moment, and many of them use racing simulations, so there can be highlights videos, and live streaming, or at least screenshots. I'm just generating the results, so I can't do that. Also, it's only one of currently 5 Formula 1 series on the PMMF. If there is enough interest, I might still run a 1979 season, but at the moment, I don't think this series offers anything other series don't, so I haven't been really motivated to run this over the last 4 weeks.

That's fair enough - maybe you could try running that pre-war series you mentioned once in the chat? That'd be pretty unique, and I know I'd quite like to see a series run back in that time period.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 26 Sep 2013, 18:29

I'd like this to continue pi, if the interest on your end is still there!

As you say there are so many series with video highlights and stuff that it's nice to have a 'traditional' series around. Also, in my opinion this series is one of the better alternate F1 series, it's rn really realistically and I was looking forward to seeing how this universe ended up compared to rFAF1.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Sep 2013, 21:16

Actually this series motivated me to start my 1990 season because i liked following this series and everything....my series is also "just" scorinated but i think not every season needs screenshots and all this stuff(btw i think it's a lot more work!). I can understand you, sometimes it's really hard to find time or get motivated to do the whole work(which is quite a lot in my opinion) but the universe(especially all motorsport fanatics) need F1 and the late 70's and early 80's are a great setting to run an alternate season!
I would be interestet in joining this season and compete with all who are interested, but in the end it's up to you if you continue or not!
Greats Hermann

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 27 Sep 2013, 06:43

Me personally like these series very much as it was the first f1 championship I entered on this forum. What is more, from here started the tradition (or luck) that I always get Arrows team. And here Arrows are doing really well, so I'd be happy if this continues

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 27 Sep 2013, 22:57

I love any championship were i can run dozens of real-life rejects, running a team that really has no hope, but continues on, anyway!

There's still other interesting possibilities, a pre-war series, or even all pre-2010 F1RWRS, especially a pre-war F1RWRS would be great!

This doesn't need any video coverage either, as back in those days, there wasn't much real video coverage either. It just needs old-fashioned style race reviews.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Sep 2013, 00:16

This wrote:I love any championship were i can run dozens of real-life rejects, running a team that really has no hope, but continues on, anyway!

There's still other interesting possibilities, a pre-war series, or even all pre-2010 F1RWRS, especially a pre-war F1RWRS would be great! This doesn't need any video coverage either, as back in those days, there wasn't much real video coverage either. It just needs old-fashioned style race reviews.

I thought the original intention was that F1RWRS was a breakaway, rival series to F1? Don't ask why I think that, it's just the backstory that's in my head...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Sep 2013, 00:25

dr-baker wrote:
This wrote:I love any championship were i can run dozens of real-life rejects, running a team that really has no hope, but continues on, anyway!

There's still other interesting possibilities, a pre-war series, or even all pre-2010 F1RWRS, especially a pre-war F1RWRS would be great! This doesn't need any video coverage either, as back in those days, there wasn't much real video coverage either. It just needs old-fashioned style race reviews.

I thought the original intention was that F1RWRS was a breakaway, rival series to F1? Don't ask why I think that, it's just the backstory that's in my head...

That's because it was the original intention of the F1RWRS. Therefore, a pre-2010 F1RWRS would just screw everything up as far as the canon's concerned.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 28 Sep 2013, 00:59

Wizzie wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
This wrote:I love any championship were i can run dozens of real-life rejects, running a team that really has no hope, but continues on, anyway!

There's still other interesting possibilities, a pre-war series, or even all pre-2010 F1RWRS, especially a pre-war F1RWRS would be great! This doesn't need any video coverage either, as back in those days, there wasn't much real video coverage either. It just needs old-fashioned style race reviews.

I thought the original intention was that F1RWRS was a breakaway, rival series to F1? Don't ask why I think that, it's just the backstory that's in my head...

That's because it was the original intention of the F1RWRS. Therefore, a pre-2010 F1RWRS would just screw everything up as far as the canon's concerned.

But making it non canon would fix that. Sort of like a what if series

Post by **Nuppiz** » 28 Sep 2013, 09:45

Well, the "oldest" canon series, or any series for that matter, is F1WRCR, currently set in 1953.Then there's a huge jump to 1979, when rFAF1 starts. So there's plenty of years where you could start a championship and have it canonized with ease.

I'd personally be up for pre-war Grand Prix series. It doesn't matter if you can't provide video or pictorial coverage, as like This said there wasn't much of that around in that time period anyway. And the games that are used to simulate other series here don't have much pre-war content available (for example, F1C has like five-six 1920s-30s circuits and only one 1930s car, the Mercedes W25), so they aren't a viable option for simulating a pre-war championship. As new content for xkoranate can be created in just a few clicks, we could have as many car models and circuits as we wanted.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Sep 2013, 11:34

Nuppiz wrote:Well, the "oldest" canon series, or any series for that matter, is F1WRCR, currently set in 1953.Then there's a huge jump to 1979, when rFAF1 starts. So there's plenty of years where you could start a championship and have it canonized with ease.

I'd personally be up for pre-war Grand Prix series. It doesn't matter if you can't provide video or pictorial coverage, as like This said there wasn't much of that around in that time period anyway. And the games that are used to simulate other series here don't have much pre-war content available (for example, F1C has like five-six 1920s-30s circuits and only one 1930s car, the Mercedes W25), so they aren't a viable option for simulating a pre-war championship. As new content for xkoranate can be created in just a few clicks, we could have as many car models and circuits as we wanted.

I still have intentions of mastering my Grand Prix Legends game one day and using that to create a championship here (whether in the 1960s period or racing them as an historic series)...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 28 Sep 2013, 14:57

dr-baker wrote:
This wrote:I love any championship were i can run dozens of real-life rejects, running a team that really has no hope, but continues on, anyway!

There's still other interesting possibilities, a pre-war series, or even all pre-2010 F1RWRS, especially a pre-war F1RWRS would be great! This doesn't need any video coverage either, as back in those days, there wasn't much real video coverage either. It just needs old-fashioned style race reviews.

I thought the original intention was that F1RWRS was a breakaway, rival series to F1? Don't ask why I think that, it's just the backstory that's in my head...

Yes, but then the 2010 F1RWRS could be like 'A totally new series, trying to revive the glory of a similar named pre-war series'

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 29 Sep 2013, 15:52

As I said, before I decide about the series' future, I'm finishing 1978. Next up: the Austrian GP.

Only 37 cars arrived at Spielberg for the Austrian Grand Prix. Theodore Racing was not present, as they failed to submit a complete entry, so pre-qualifying was almost unnecessary. Only one of the 7 cars taking part in the Friday morning session would be excluded from qualifying, and as everyone expected, Harald Ertl in the hopeless Apollon car was the one. Hiroshi Fushida in the Kojima was fastest, followed by Jochen Mass in the ATS. After half an hour, Hans Heyer in the second ATS suffered a heavy crash at Boschkurve, but will be able to take part in qualifying, despite some minor injuries.

1978 Austrian GP - Pre-Qualifying
1. Hiroshi Fushida (Kojima KE009B) 1.41.127
2. Jochen Mass (ATS HS1) +0.034
3. Ricardo Zunino (Boro 002) +0.310
4. Noritake Takahara (Kojima KE009B) +0.492
5. Hans Heyer (ATS HS1) +1.133
6. Arturo Merzario (Merzario A1) +1.980
DNPQ:
7. Harald Ertl (Apollon Fly 2) +2.242

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 29 Sep 2013, 16:21

On Saturday, it became interesting for the championship contenders as the 36 remaining drivers were determining the grid for the 12th race of the season. James Hunt dominated qualifying, followed by his teammate Tom Pryce, and the fastest Arrows. But the wrong Arrows. Not championship contender Jacques Laffite, but Emerson Fittipaldi qualified in third, with Laffite down in 13th position, almost 2 seconds off the pace. Further down the grid, Hans Heyer managed to qualify, despite still recovering from his accident in pre-qualifying. And also the tiny Boro team has a reason to celebrate, as they made it into the race for the first time in one and a half years.

1. James Hunt (McLaren M26B) 1:36.883
2. Tom Pryce (McLaren M26B) +0.564
3. Emerson Fittipaldi (Arrows A1) +0.682
4. Carlos Pace (Williams FW06) +0.920
5. Jody Scheckter (Brabham BT46) +1.021
6. Riccardo Patrese (Ferrari 312T3) +1.087
7. Carlos Reutemann (Williams FW06) +1.131
8. Elio de Angelis (Ligier JS9) +1.148
9. Keke Rosberg (Brabham BT46) +1.240
10. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari 312T3) +1.520
11. Gijs van Lennep (Ligier JS9) +1.533
12. Patrick Depailler (Tyrrell 008) +1.647
13. Jacques Laffite (Arrows A1) +1.809
14. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Tyrrell 008) +1.836
15. David Purley (Wolf WR5) +1.913
16. Clay Regazzoni (Ensign N177B) +1.917
17. Niki Lauda (Lotus 79) +2.044
18. Chris Amon (Surtees TS20) +2.206
19. Rick Mears (Lotus 79) +2.551
20. Ronnie Peterson (Shadow DN9) +2.710
21. Patrick Tambay (Penske PC6) +2.791
22. Mario Andretti (March 781) +2.888
23. Tom Sneva (Penske PC6) +2.933
24. Bruno Giacomelli (Ensign N177B) +3.101
25. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Renault RS01B) +3.120
26. Rene Arnoux (Renault RS01B) +3.146
27. Didier Pironi (Shadow DN9) +3.261
28. Alan Jones (March 781) +3.570
29. Hans Heyer (ATS HS1) +4.106
30. Ricardo Zunino (Boro 002) +4.393
DNQ:
31. Jochen Mass (ATS HS1) +4.838
32. Jacky Ickx (Wolf WR5) +4.883
33. Hiroshi Fushida (Kojima KE009B) +5.020
34. Geoff Brabham (Fittipaldi F5A) +5.463
35. Noritake Takahara (Kojima KE009B) +5.575
36. Arturo Merzario (Merzario A1) +6.665

Race will be run at 10PM CEST today. With live commentary if enough team managers show up.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Sep 2013, 16:32

How much would it cost me additionally to change the BRM engine for a Matra? I'm not making any decisions yet, but it's kind of obvious that this team isn't going anywhere by stubbornly keeping the BRM's.

Also, i was wondering how ATS is always slower than me in pre-qualifying but yet is always faster in qualifying.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 29 Sep 2013, 16:37

This wrote:How much would it cost me additionally to change the BRM engine for a Matra? I'm not making any decisions yet, but it's kind of obvious that this team isn't going anywhere by stubbornly keeping the BRM's.

It's 5 250 per car and GP, with four races remaining that's 21 000 per car and 42 000 if you want to change the engines of both cars.

By the way, Hermann95, Williams is your team now, welcome to the series.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 29 Sep 2013, 20:03

If there are any vacancies at the end of this season, I'd also like to announce my interest.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 29 Sep 2013, 20:32

kevinbotz wrote:If there are any vacancies at the end of this season, I'd also like to announce my interest.

You can take Shadow if you want and try and rescue it from the abyss into which I have plunged it. The team has decent finances and two very quick drivers; less said about the chassis the better though

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 29 Sep 2013, 20:53

Alternatively, you can take McLaren: it's probably the best team with the best driver lineup, but I've run out of patience with the RNG now.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 29 Sep 2013, 20:56

I think I'll start off with Shadow, if possible.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Sep 2013, 23:28

pi314159 wrote:
This wrote:How much would it cost me additionally to change the BRM engine for a Matra? I'm not making any decisions yet, but it's kind of obvious that this team isn't going anywhere by stubbornly keeping the BRM's.

It's 5 250 per car and GP, with four races remaining that's 21 000 per car and 42 000 if you want to change the engines of both cars.

By the way, Hermann95, Williams is your team now, welcome to the series.

Well, then i'd like to change the first car car for 2 races, so i can see if this makes a noticeable difference.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 30 Sep 2013, 16:05

1978 Austrian GP - Race report:

With only five races remaining in the 1978 Formula 1 Championship, the championship battle was heating up between defending champion Tom Pryce and Jacques Laffite, who had become Arrows' first driver. Pryce was leading the championship with 48 points, followed by Laffite with 44. Their teammates Fittipaldi with 26 and Hunt with 19 points aren't completely out of the championship fight yet, but look increasingly unlikely to win it.

It looked like it was going to be a good race for Pryce, who qualified second, with Laffite down in 13th. At the start, Hunt kept the lead, while Pryce gained some positions and improved to 10th. A few laps later Pryce took the lead from Hunt, and Laffite was running in 8th.

On lap 5, everyone forgot about the title fight. For unknows reasons, Jean-Pierre Jarier in his Tyrrell spun off at 300 km/h, into the hilly Österreichring runoffs. He was sent into a series of spins and flips. His Tyrrell was completely destroyed and Jarier was seriously injured. However, the race continued.

Pryce kept extending his lead over Hunt, with Fittipaldi in 3rd, while Laffite kept gaining positions. On lap 9, the Boro, in its first race for one and a half years, broke down, followed by the retirements of Pace and Giacomelli. On lap 13, Jarier's teammate Patrick Depailler came in to retire from the race. Laffite, Lauda, Scheckter and the Ferraris were fighting for minor points during this part of the race, with Laffite finally taking 4th position.

On lap 25, chammpionship leader Tom Pryce had to retire with a broken clutch. Laffite was running in 3rd now. Now both he and Pryce had 48 points, Pryce however, had still more victories.

While Laffite was catching his teammate, the fight for the minor points continued, but Scheckter retired on lap 30. 10 laps before the end of the race, Laffite overtook his teammate for place 2 in the race, and the lead in the championship.

Hunt took the race win, now only 21 points down on Laffite, followed by Laffite, who took the championship lead. His teammate Fittipaldi finished 3rd and has 30 points now, just 1 ahead of Hunt. The Ferraris take 4th and 5th after an uneventful race for them, and Lauda scores his first point since Brazil. The small ATS team finally managed to finish a race, as Heyer was 2 laps down in 16th.

No one felt like celebrating with Jarier's state still unknown. In the evening, the first bit of good news arrived. Jarier is likely to survive his accident. However, it is currently completely unknown how long his recovery will take, so Tyrrell will have to nominate a replacement for the final four races of the season.

Race Results:
1. James Hunt (McLaren-Cosworth) 54 Laps
2. Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Cosworth) +13.771
3. Emerson Fittipaldi (Arrows-Cosworth) +21.989
4. Riccardo Patrese (Ferrari) +37.503
5. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +58.620
6. Niki Lauda (Lotus-Renault) +1:00.886
7. Elio de Angelis (Ligier-Ferrari) +1:07.859
8. Gijs van Lennep (Ligier-Ferrari) +1:09.129
9. Ronnie Peterson (Shadow-Cosworth) +1 Lap
10. Didier Pironi (Shadow-Cosworth) +1 Lap
11. Alan Jones (March-Ferrari) +1 Lap
12. Tom Sneva (Penske-Cosworth) +1 Lap
13. Mario Andretti (March-Ferrari) +1 Lap
14. Chris Amon (Surtees-Cosworth) +1 Lap
15. David Purley (Wolf-Cosworth) +1 Lap / Transmission
16. Hans Heyer (ATS-Cosworth) +2 Laps
17. Rick Mears (Lotus-Renault) +4 Laps / Suspension
Retired:
Clay Regazzoni (Ensign-Alfa Romeo) 48 Laps / Suspension
Rene Arnoux (Renault) 42 Laps / Gearbox
Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Alfa Romeo) 37 Laps / Transmission
Carlos Reutemann (Williams-Cosworth) 30 Laps / Gearbox
Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Renault) 26 Laps / Transmission
Tom Pryce (McLaren-Cosworth) 25 Laps / Clutch
Patrick Depailler (Tyrrell-Cosworth) 13 Laps / Clutch
Patrick Tambay (Penske-Cosworth) 13 Laps / Suspension
Bruno Giacomelli (Ensign-Alfa Romeo) 12 Laps / Engine
Carlos Pace (Williams-Cosworth) 11 Laps / Suspension
Ricardo Zunino (Boro-Renault) 9 Laps / Transmission
Jean-Pierre Jarier (Tyrrell-Renault) 5 Laps / Accident
Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Alfa Romeo) 3 Laps / Gearbox

Fastest Lap: Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Cosworth): 1:37:449

Injury Report: Jean-Pierre Jarier will miss the rest of 1978 and the first 11 rounds of the 1979 season.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 30 Sep 2013, 16:13

kevinbotz wrote:I think I'll start off with Shadow, if possible.

takagi_for_the_win, are you handing over control of Shadow now, or at the end of the season?

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 30 Sep 2013, 16:15

Oh crappers...

Is there any free agent available for Tyrrell?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 30 Sep 2013, 16:26

FantometteBR wrote:Oh crappers...

Is there any free agent available for Tyrrell?

I think Nelson Piquet would be the best choice at the moment.