2014 Silly Season Thread

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 15 Oct 2013, 14:08

kevinbotz wrote:Lotus poised to finalize financial agreement with Quantum Motorsports, formerly Infinity Racing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110658

I think that this is excellent news for the team because if they do get the investment, they can hopefully give Grosjean and fingers crossed, Hulkenberg a nice, solid package which can challenge for wins.

Post by **Ataxia** » 15 Oct 2013, 14:56

Well, it appears Boullier has now come out and said Hulkenberg is his first choice. With this financial fillip, hopefully it'll become a done deal in the next couple of weeks.

Rusujuur · Post by **Rusujuur** » 15 Oct 2013, 15:25

kevinbotz wrote:Lotus poised to finalize financial agreement with Quantum Motorsports, formerly Infinity Racing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110658

I hope they find their solace

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 15 Oct 2013, 15:59

Rusujuur wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:Lotus poised to finalize financial agreement with Quantum Motorsports, formerly Infinity Racing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110658

I hope they find their solace

First funny post of the day and its long over due.

Have another one - :lol:

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 15 Oct 2013, 16:03

I know it's not a trusted source, but the Orange homepage has a story about Button being wanted long term by McLaren, which is not really anything we didn't already know, but right at the bottom is this little snippet :

Whether Alonso's potential partnership with Raikkonen even makes one season is still the subject of much speculation with fresh rumours in the Japanese paddock that McLaren are still looking at luring the double
World Champion back to the team in place of Sergio Perez

Here's the link : http://web.orange.co.uk/article/sports/mclaren_to_make_button_offer

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 15 Oct 2013, 19:28

Rusujuur wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:Lotus poised to finalize financial agreement with Quantum Motorsports, formerly Infinity Racing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110658

I hope they find their solace

Quantum Motorsports.

Quantom of Solace.

Which is more rejectful?

Post by **mario** » 15 Oct 2013, 19:35

madmark1974 wrote:I know it's not a trusted source, but the Orange homepage has a story about Button being wanted long term by McLaren, which is not really anything we didn't already know, but right at the bottom is this little snippet :

Whether Alonso's potential partnership with Raikkonen even makes one season is still the subject of much speculation with fresh rumours in the Japanese paddock that McLaren are still looking at luring the double
World Champion back to the team in place of Sergio Perez

Here's the link : http://web.orange.co.uk/article/sports/mclaren_to_make_button_offer

The suggestion that Alonso is being targeted by McLaren has been floating around since Ferrari announced Kimi would be joining them over suggestions that Alonso's relationship with Ferrari is declining and Ferrari's turbo engine is relatively weak.

James Allen has alluded in one or two of his articles, such as his recent comments on Hulkenberg's options, to the possibility of such a deal being lined up for 2015, with the suggestion that it is Honda who are behind the push to sign Alonso in lieu of Perez (with Button being retained, for now, because he is more commercially attractive to Honda's market in Japan and because he is currently beating Perez in the WDC, therefore seemingly ruling out McLaren as an option for Hulkenberg). Honda did supposedly try to hire Alonso in the past to drive for them when they ran their own works team, although he refused that offer in favour of Renault instead, so that might be another reason why some believe that Honda are trying to arrange for Alonso to drive for McLaren.

Similarly, the BBC have suggested at times that McLaren are targeting Alonso, although in their case those comments have mainly come from Benson rather than Eddie Jordan (and given that Jordan has tended to have a better record when calling the moves of the higher profile drivers in the sport, I would be interested in his analysis of the situation).

It is true that Alonso has been cagey in the past about his team mates, not to mention that Alonso has reportedly been frustrated with the team for some time over their chronic development issues (whilst he publicly supported the team in 2012, there were some quieter complaints from him about the fact that the upgrades the team brought to several races, such as Singapore, often failed to work as expected and had to be withdrawn).

However, although the relationship between Alonso and Ferrari may no longer be quite so harmonious, at the same time McLaren's recent track record has been patchy and they've been oft criticised for poor management, strategic issues or poor reliability. Mind you, they seem to be planning to make sizeable changes to the team and the signing of Prodromou for the future is one major attraction.

For what it is worth, I think that, although McLaren may not be entirely satisfied with Perez, that they will stick with him for 2014 - I suspect that most drivers are waiting to see who gains and loses from the technical changes for 2014 and hope to capitalise on the possibilities that could create for the 2014 driver market, which may leave McLaren with few alternatives to Perez.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 15 Oct 2013, 19:59

Daily Star think Hulk has the Lotus drive with Grosjean's run of form poised to give him status as team-leader

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/motors ... -for-Lotus

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 15 Oct 2013, 21:42

Personally, I find Alonso returning to McLaren slightly laughable considering what happened in 2007. Maybe if Martin Whitmarsh got the sack, and, considering Ron Dennis has no direct involvement in the F1 team (as far as I know), maybe Alonso thinks differently.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 15 Oct 2013, 23:00

Cynon wrote:Quantum Motorsports.

Quantom of Solace.

Which is more rejectful?

It must not be Quantom of Solace, the movie was too good for rejectfulness.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 16 Oct 2013, 07:50

Here's an interesting piece in the German Bild (not really reliable I guess).
http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/nic ... .bild.html

Apparently the Sultan of Brunei seems to be behind the Quantum-Lotus(-Hülkenberg?) deal.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 16 Oct 2013, 08:03

Shizuka wrote:Here's an interesting piece in the German Bild (not really reliable I guess).
http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/nic ... .bild.html

Dunno, Dimi Papadopoulos and Remy Devillers quoted them on Twitter...those guys generally quote reliable sources..

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 16 Oct 2013, 08:13

Aerospeed wrote:Personally, I find Alonso returning to McLaren slightly laughable considering what happened in 2007. Maybe if Martin Whitmarsh got the sack, and, considering Ron Dennis has no direct involvement in the F1 team (as far as I know), maybe Alonso thinks differently.

I think you're right, however I think how both having Kimi as a teammate, and the dust settling on the 2014 regulations will be a big factor. If he were to deal poorly with having a competitive teammate, and if the Mclaren was a far stronger car than the Ferrari under the new regulations then maybe. However, I think he seems far more mature than 2007, and I have my suspicions that the 2014 rules will not upset the status quo as much as some are predicting.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 16 Oct 2013, 09:28

mario wrote:
madmark1974 wrote:I know it's not a trusted source, but the Orange homepage has a story about Button being wanted long term by McLaren, which is not really anything we didn't already know, but right at the bottom is this little snippet :

Whether Alonso's potential partnership with Raikkonen even makes one season is still the subject of much speculation with fresh rumours in the Japanese paddock that McLaren are still looking at luring the double
World Champion back to the team in place of Sergio Perez

Here's the link : http://web.orange.co.uk/article/sports/mclaren_to_make_button_offer

The suggestion that Alonso is being targeted by McLaren has been floating around since Ferrari announced Kimi would be joining them over suggestions that Alonso's relationship with Ferrari is declining and Ferrari's turbo engine is relatively weak.

James Allen has alluded in one or two of his articles, such as his recent comments on Hulkenberg's options, to the possibility of such a deal being lined up for 2015, with the suggestion that it is Honda who are behind the push to sign Alonso in lieu of Perez (with Button being retained, for now, because he is more commercially attractive to Honda's market in Japan and because he is currently beating Perez in the WDC, therefore seemingly ruling out McLaren as an option for Hulkenberg). Honda did supposedly try to hire Alonso in the past to drive for them when they ran their own works team, although he refused that offer in favour of Renault instead, so that might be another reason why some believe that Honda are trying to arrange for Alonso to drive for McLaren.

Similarly, the BBC have suggested at times that McLaren are targeting Alonso, although in their case those comments have mainly come from Benson rather than Eddie Jordan (and given that Jordan has tended to have a better record when calling the moves of the higher profile drivers in the sport, I would be interested in his analysis of the situation).

It is true that Alonso has been cagey in the past about his team mates, not to mention that Alonso has reportedly been frustrated with the team for some time over their chronic development issues (whilst he publicly supported the team in 2012, there were some quieter complaints from him about the fact that the upgrades the team brought to several races, such as Singapore, often failed to work as expected and had to be withdrawn).

However, although the relationship between Alonso and Ferrari may no longer be quite so harmonious, at the same time McLaren's recent track record has been patchy and they've been oft criticised for poor management, strategic issues or poor reliability. Mind you, they seem to be planning to make sizeable changes to the team and the signing of Prodromou for the future is one major attraction.

For what it is worth, I think that, although McLaren may not be entirely satisfied with Perez, that they will stick with him for 2014 - I suspect that most drivers are waiting to see who gains and loses from the technical changes for 2014 and hope to capitalise on the possibilities that could create for the 2014 driver market, which may leave McLaren with few alternatives to Perez.

I've also heard that Honda is willing to put sponsorship money into McLaren, whether that is directly, through companies owned by Honda or companies with close links with Honda, because they want title sponsorship on the car. This way McLaren wouldn't need Perez and Telmex and they can go after a top-tier driver, of which seemingly only Alonso is or may be available.

Rusujuur · Post by **Rusujuur** » 16 Oct 2013, 11:04

Alonso comes with Santander, so I guess money is not an issue for McLaren, but for Alonso going to a team who is failing miserably at the moment and will have an untested powersource for 2015 when the rest already have a year worth of tuning under their belts is another thing. While I am a Kimi fan I doubt Alonso will have trouble with him. Alonso has been in the team for a long time, is of a similar culture group and rated by many as the best there is. The only thing speaking against him is his temper but that would come to play only if he loses to Kimi right off the bat.

I also wonder how much money can Lotus muster for next year... The quantum deal aside, with the loss of Kimi and James can they keep their old sponsors or attract new ones? What I gather from the Internet is that the Kimi/Lotus combo seems to be fan favourite but that has not brought any major sponsorship, certainly not the kind that Genii had hoped. I somehow can't see Genii pouring their own money into the team for long... At least at the rate it has done in the last couple of years.

The first year that Kimi came in and the sums Genii was wasting became public I thought they were hoping to attract sponsors or make the team attractive for a buyer but neither has happened and if the results next year are not at the same level the selling value will drop dramatically...

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 16 Oct 2013, 12:24

why is it that the general consensus about the Ferrari's 2014 engine is weak?

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 16 Oct 2013, 12:51

lgaquino wrote:why is it that the general consensus about the Ferrari's 2014 engine is weak?

Because they haven't brought it out yet...because Ferrari's technical side has been average when it has mattered the most..

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 16 Oct 2013, 16:38

lgaquino wrote:why is it that the general consensus about the Ferrari's 2014 engine is weak?

I can't remember where from, but I recall recently hearing that there are doubts regarding Ferrari's ability to make strong turbo engines.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 16 Oct 2013, 16:44

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/van-d ... -williams/

There's a new challenger for a Williams seat.

Also, with this, its more easily for Caterham to return with Kovalainen. In other hand, the loss of Van der Garde sponsors maybe hurt the team.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 16 Oct 2013, 16:48

Dj_bereta wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/van-der-garde-s-future-father-in-law-eyes-williams/

There's a new challenger for a Williams seat.

Also, with this, its more easily for Caterham to return with Kovalainen. In other hand, the loss of Van der Garde sponsors maybe hurt the team.

That would be awesome for Williams because I think that he could shine in a competetive car

Post by **mario** » 16 Oct 2013, 17:20

lgaquino wrote:why is it that the general consensus about the Ferrari's 2014 engine is weak?

It seems to be the case that the rumours are based on some supposition about Ferrari's technical capabilities.

Ferrari have no in house expertise in designing forced induction engines as they have been technologically locked into designing high performance normally aspirated engines, both for their production vehicles and in motorsport, for decades (I might be mistaken, but I think that they have not built a turbo engined car since the 1980's).
That ingrained resistance to forced induction - they've been boasting for years about their work with naturally aspirated engines and publicly eschewed forced induction - means that many are expecting them to face a steep learning curve. By contrast, Renault has had years of experience with small capacity turbo engines, both on the road and on the track, as have Mercedes (both on the road and, with DTM planning on switching to turbo engines, has been working on turbo racing engines for a few years now). The fact that Ferrari seem to have been the last outfit to start bench testing their engines has also added to the speculation that they are behind in terms of development work.

Asides from that, I think that a fair amount of speculation revolves around the fact that Ferrari have been so reluctant to release any details about their engine - Mercedes and Renault have both shown their engines off and produced promotional material, including audio logs. There are even a few claims in the German press that Honda has already released an audio recording of its 2015 spec turbo engine - though those claims are unverified - but whilst all this is going on, Ferrari have basically not published anything about their engines and have not responded to any of the questions about the capabilities of their engines.

The highly evasive nature of Ferrari over their engine - normally something they would wax lyrically about given their pride in producing high performance engines - has lead some to wonder whether they are trying to hide something from the public. It's also been compounded by the fact that Ferrari's engine is reportedly the cheapest in the field, and yet there were strong rumours that, despite being in financial difficulty, Sauber were considering ditching the Ferrari engine in favour of a more expensive rival engine (an unusual move given the cost implications and the very strong technical partnership between Sauber and Ferrari, especially for engine and transmission supplies).

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 16 Oct 2013, 18:52

Dj_bereta wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/van-der-garde-s-future-father-in-law-eyes-williams/

"Boekhoorn's long term girlfriend Denise this year accepted van der Garde's marriage proposal."

I know they said the Netherlands was a liberal country, but...?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 16 Oct 2013, 21:52

dinizintheoven wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/van-der-garde-s-future-father-in-law-eyes-williams/

"Boekhoorn's long term girlfriend Denise this year accepted van der Garde's marriage proposal."

I know they said the Netherlands was a liberal country, but...?

In the Netherlands, everybody has a relationship with each other. That's a very common thing. :lol:

They're all just one big group of eh... friends.

watka · Post by **watka** » 16 Oct 2013, 22:44

May I thank Mario for clearing up the Ferrari turbo engine question, it's been on my mind too.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 16 Oct 2013, 22:54

This wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/van-der-garde-s-future-father-in-law-eyes-williams/

"Boekhoorn's long term girlfriend Denise this year accepted van der Garde's marriage proposal."

I know they said the Netherlands was a liberal country, but...?

In the Netherlands, everybody has a relationship with each other. That's a very common thing. They're all just one big group of eh... friends.

With benefits.

All looks good for Lotus... http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lotus ... -for-2014/

...except I'd rather see Maldolan than Hulkenberg in the second Lotus.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 17 Oct 2013, 11:43

Speaking of Lotus, I have noticed a conspicuous dearth of information regarding Davide Valsecchi's status for 2014. Has he already signed a testing contract with Lotus already, or is he engaged in negotiations with other teams as an independent actor in the Silly Season?

If he is a free agent for 2014, I find his relative anonymity among drivers somewhat surprising, considering the fact that he did win a GP2 title.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 17 Oct 2013, 12:04

Cynon wrote:With benefits.

All looks good for Lotus... http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lotus ... -for-2014/

...except I'd rather see Maldolan than Hulkenberg in the second Lotus.

You WHAT?

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 17 Oct 2013, 12:20

watka wrote:May I thank Mario for clearing up the Ferrari turbo engine question, it's been on my mind too.

thanks indeed!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Oct 2013, 12:28

kevinbotz wrote:Speaking of Lotus, I have noticed a conspicuous dearth of information regarding Davide Valsecchi's status for 2014. Has he already signed a testing contract with Lotus already, or is he engaged in negotiations with other teams as an independent actor in the Silly Season?

If he is a free agent for 2014, I find his relative anonymity among drivers somewhat surprising, considering the fact that he did win a GP2 title.

Yeah, but it was one of the weakest GP2 titles to date. I think only 2013 and 2008 had weaker fields than 2012.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 17 Oct 2013, 12:57

Salamander wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:Speaking of Lotus, I have noticed a conspicuous dearth of information regarding Davide Valsecchi's status for 2014. Has he already signed a testing contract with Lotus already, or is he engaged in negotiations with other teams as an independent actor in the Silly Season?

If he is a free agent for 2014, I find his relative anonymity among drivers somewhat surprising, considering the fact that he did win a GP2 title.

Yeah, but it was one of the weakest GP2 titles to date. I think only 2013 and 2008 had weaker fields than 2012.

2013 a weaker field? I'm no sure I follow...you have Evans, Frijns, Quaife-Hobbs, Bird no Gonzalez or Serenelli...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Oct 2013, 13:10

wsrgo wrote:
Salamander wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:Speaking of Lotus, I have noticed a conspicuous dearth of information regarding Davide Valsecchi's status for 2014. Has he already signed a testing contract with Lotus already, or is he engaged in negotiations with other teams as an independent actor in the Silly Season?

If he is a free agent for 2014, I find his relative anonymity among drivers somewhat surprising, considering the fact that he did win a GP2 title.

Yeah, but it was one of the weakest GP2 titles to date. I think only 2013 and 2008 had weaker fields than 2012.

2013 a weaker field? I'm no sure I follow...you have Evans, Frijns, Quaife-Hobbs, Bird no Gonzalez or Serenelli...

Because none of the title contenders look even slightly impressive. Stefano Coletti dominated most of the season despite having done pretty much piss all since Monaco, despite not winning a single feature race. He still has more podium finishes than anyone else in GP2 this year. 7 of the last 11 races have not been won by a title contender. The only driver with a semblance of consistency has been Felipe Nasr, who has completely fallen apart at the tail end of the year, and has only scored 2 podium finishes from the last 7 rounds, and has not won a race since July 2011. Sam Bird has been incredibly inconsistent, especially for a driver with his CV. Fabio Leimer won the first 2 feature races and then fell asleep until Germany, pretty much. Calado has been largely disappointing, a slightly less flashy Nasr, albeit one that can at least win a race. None of these drivers deserve a spot on the F1 grid in 2014, not even slightly.

As for Evans and Quaife-Hobbs, both have been extremely meh, and Frijns has probably been the biggest disappointment in the GP2 field this year, if we're not counting the field as a whole.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 17 Oct 2013, 13:17

Salamander wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:Speaking of Lotus, I have noticed a conspicuous dearth of information regarding Davide Valsecchi's status for 2014. Has he already signed a testing contract with Lotus already, or is he engaged in negotiations with other teams as an independent actor in the Silly Season?

If he is a free agent for 2014, I find his relative anonymity among drivers somewhat surprising, considering the fact that he did win a GP2 title.

Yeah, but it was one of the weakest GP2 titles to date. I think only 2013 and 2008 had weaker fields than 2012.

Thanks for the clarification - I had a feeling that the vacillation over Valsecchi's future had something to do with the circumstances under which he won his title, but, as I only follow GP2/GP3 perfunctorily, I wasn't sure about my assumption.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 17 Oct 2013, 13:41

Salamander wrote:
wsrgo wrote:
Salamander wrote:[
Yeah, but it was one of the weakest GP2 titles to date. I think only 2013 and 2008 had weaker fields than 2012.

2013 a weaker field? I'm no sure I follow...you have Evans, Frijns, Quaife-Hobbs, Bird no Gonzalez or Serenelli...

Because none of the title contenders look even slightly impressive. Stefano Coletti dominated most of the season despite having done pretty much piss all since Monaco, despite not winning a single feature race. He still has more podium finishes than anyone else in GP2 this year. 7 of the last 11 races have not been won by a title contender. The only driver with a semblance of consistency has been Felipe Nasr, who has completely fallen apart at the tail end of the year, and has only scored 2 podium finishes from the last 7 rounds, and has not won a race since July 2011. Sam Bird has been incredibly inconsistent, especially for a driver with his CV. Fabio Leimer won the first 2 feature races and then fell asleep until Germany, pretty much. Calado has been largely disappointing, a slightly less flashy Nasr, albeit one that can at least win a race. None of these drivers deserve a spot on the F1 grid in 2014, not even slightly.

As for Evans and Quaife-Hobbs, both have been extremely meh, and Frijns has probably been the biggest disappointment in the GP2 field this year, if we're not counting the field as a whole.

What you're saying is how things panned out...what I'm saying is, with respect to actual talent. In that respect, Abt is a talent too, but he's had a nightmarish season.
The thing about GP2 is, I don't think it rewards talent as much as say, World Series. The sprint race is only there to spice up stuff, and being present in a 1:1 ratio with feature races makes it a farce. All it'll take to ruin your weekend is one bad qualifying session on Friday.
The team gradation in GP2 is also too high. RUSSIAN TIME, DAMS and Carlin have the best packages this season. Lazarus, MP and Addax are nowhere. In FR3.5, you have the top 9 drivers in different teams: DAMS, Fortec, Arden Caterham, Tech1, Draco, Strakka, Lotus/Charouz, AV and ISR.
Pitstops are present in FR3.5 too, but I don't think I've seen one botched stop, whereas in GP2, a good stop is a rarity.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Oct 2013, 14:32

wsrgo wrote:What you're saying is how things panned out...what I'm saying is, with respect to actual talent. In that respect, Abt is a talent too, but he's had a nightmarish season.
The thing about GP2 is, I don't think it rewards talent as much as say, World Series. The sprint race is only there to spice up stuff, and being present in a 1:1 ratio with feature races makes it a farce. All it'll take to ruin your weekend is one bad qualifying session on Friday.
The team gradation in GP2 is also too high. RUSSIAN TIME, DAMS and Carlin have the best packages this season. Lazarus, MP and Addax are nowhere. In FR3.5, you have the top 9 drivers in different teams: DAMS, Fortec, Arden Caterham, Tech1, Draco, Strakka, Lotus/Charouz, AV and ISR.
Pitstops are present in FR3.5 too, but I don't think I've seen one botched stop, whereas in GP2, a good stop is a rarity.

That's irrelevant. The point is, on paper, nobody is coming out of GP2 this year looking good.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 17 Oct 2013, 14:51

Salamander wrote:
wsrgo wrote:What you're saying is how things panned out...what I'm saying is, with respect to actual talent. In that respect, Abt is a talent too, but he's had a nightmarish season.
The thing about GP2 is, I don't think it rewards talent as much as say, World Series. The sprint race is only there to spice up stuff, and being present in a 1:1 ratio with feature races makes it a farce. All it'll take to ruin your weekend is one bad qualifying session on Friday.
The team gradation in GP2 is also too high. RUSSIAN TIME, DAMS and Carlin have the best packages this season. Lazarus, MP and Addax are nowhere. In FR3.5, you have the top 9 drivers in different teams: DAMS, Fortec, Arden Caterham, Tech1, Draco, Strakka, Lotus/Charouz, AV and ISR.
Pitstops are present in FR3.5 too, but I don't think I've seen one botched stop, whereas in GP2, a good stop is a rarity.

That's irrelevant. The point is, on paper, nobody is coming out of GP2 this year looking good.

In fact, I see an Avatar challange coming on here.

If a GP2 driver makes it into f1 as a race or reserve or test driver, I think Salamander should have a fetching image of Johnny Ceccoto Jr as his Avatar.

Or the chaos he started at Monaco

So are you on or what :!:

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 17 Oct 2013, 16:15

He said none of them deserve a drive. That's very different from whether he thinks any of them will get one.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Oct 2013, 16:26

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:He said none of them deserve a drive. That's very different from whether he thinks any of them will get one.

That is true. However, I don't think any of them will - frankly I think they'd be lucky to get as far as Valsecchi has. Still, we'll see, I guess. Though why any team would take up on any of those GP2 drivers when there are a couple of free drivers in FR3.5 that look as good if not better is beyond me.

watka · Post by **watka** » 17 Oct 2013, 16:55

Rob, you are in so many avatar challenges I'm not sure how you'll manage when you lose them all

Post by **Ataxia** » 17 Oct 2013, 17:11

watka wrote:Rob, you are in so many avatar challenges I'm not sure how you'll manage when you lose them all

Well, he can have this multi-purpose avatar:

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 17 Oct 2013, 17:34

good to be prepared