1979 Virtual F1 - Watkins Glen race up

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 01 Nov 2013, 00:25

BMW offers engines to any customer who wants them at 265,000 per car. We are priced low this year as we wish to build a good base of customers in our inaugural season. We find it sad that the Cossies have decided to gouge their customers, but it is a free market afterall.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 01 Nov 2013, 00:36

Well as most of the other engine manufacturers have announced publically their pricing Alfa romeo will do the same.

The engine will cost £205,000 each and we can announce that ATS have confirmed with us that they will be running an alfa engine this season.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 01 Nov 2013, 02:17

For Kauhsen, BMW's germanity is an important factor.
But there's more reasons, these neat little Turbo's fit well with the Ground Effects. Considering BMW are new, we can built up a good relation with them, and work towards the future.

Obviously, you should provide Kauhsen with works engines, not only because they are german, but because of our good relation with Japan (with our Kojima heritage and popular Japanese drivers), giving BMW an excellent opportunity to place themselves on the Japanese and Asian market!

We don't really have much money to actually buy these engines, either, so i would like to compare price information with Alfa-Romeo and Ferrari. A combination of Germany-Japan-Italy can mean the axis powers can finally get back together to conquer the world(championship)! Did i say that out loud? :shock:

Post by **kevinbotz** » 01 Nov 2013, 03:45

Shadow would like to issue an official statement of interest with regard to BMW's turbocharged engines. Munich's technical expertise and its rich history all are very attractive to us, and convince us that BMW's involvement in Formula One is destined for great success.

Shadow has invested several million into the innovative field of ground-effect aerodynamics at the tail-end of the previous season, which will prove instrumental in determining the relative performance of the teams this season. In addition, we have a talented driver lineup consisting of the experienced Patrick Tambay and the promising rookie Stefan Johansson.

We are committed to accountability, however, and we would like to express to our prospective partners the perilous state of our finances. Though we are, at present, free of debt, we have been unable to secure any sponsors to date for the upcoming season. As it stands, we are just barely able to commit to a single round of developmental upgrades. With our investment in the new engines, priced at their current rate, we risk insolvency.

Shadow have already contacted BMW regarding a works agreement, but understands if such an arrangement does not prove to be an attractive proposition. We would be very satisfied with a semi-works agreement, in which we pay a flat-rate of 250,000 per engine, and receive any mid-season upgrades for no charge. If this still proves to be unsatisfactory for BMW, we are willing to participate in further negotiations regarding the terms of an agreement.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 01 Nov 2013, 06:50

Some more sponsor signing:
Castrol:
1-30 Ligier
31-40 Williams
41-55 Ensign
56-70 Shadow
71-80 Alfa Romeo
81-90 March
91-95 Wolf
96-98 ATS
99-100 Kauhsen

3, Ligier get the first contract
64, Shadow get the second one.

HB Bewaking Alarmsystemen
1-25 Boro
26-55 McLaren
56-65 Shadow
66-80 Williams
81-90 Surtees
91-100 Alfa Romeo

11, they continue supporting the team they sponsored since 1976.

Titbits:
1-40 Shadow
41-60 Wolf
61-80 Surtees
81-100 March

91, March

Gould:
1-40 Lotus
41-70 Tyrrell
71-90 Shadow
91-100 Surtees

52, Tyrrell

Mopar:
1-70 Ensign
71-100 Shadow
30, Ensign

Arawak:
1-40 Shadow
41-70 Surtees
71-100 March

33, Shadow

FINA only have the Shadow offer.

Carta Blanca:
1-40 Rebaque
41-70 March
71-100 Shadow
33, Rebaque

Cynar:
1-40 Tyrrell
41-70 Shadow
71-100 Surtees
87, Surtees

Candy:
1-40 Tyrrell
41-60 Shadow
61-75 March
76-85 Surtees
86-95 Wolf
96-100 Boro

78, Surtees

Olympus (2 contracts)
Brabham 1-30
Ferrari 31-60
Lotus 61-80
Renault 81-92
March 93-100

85, Renault
18, Brabham

Sony:
1-45 Ensign
46-90 Tyrrell
91-100 Kauhsen

32, Ensign

Fujitsu: only Kauhsen interested, no RNG needed

Shell:
1-90 Ferrari
91-100 Wolf

81, Ferrari

Gulf:
1-90 Brabham
91-100 Wolf

51, Brabham

Silver Match: only March interested, no RNG needed.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 01 Nov 2013, 08:39

Wolf would like to state their interest in becoming a second Ferrari works team after a simple game of toss the coin.

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 01 Nov 2013, 10:26

Penske would like to continue with Cosworth engines.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 01 Nov 2013, 11:00

Some dodgy looking bloke on a dark corner of the paddock called Fat Tony is flogging old Cossie units for a third of their normal price. They have no guarantees whatsoever and may or may not have cylinder heads made of painted plastic. Fat Tony also promises to throw in an ounce with any purchase of two or more units.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Nov 2013, 11:28

Just in case the PM system doesn't work, Ligier are interested in continuing our semi-works deal with Ferrari for 1979. After that, who knows what that crazy bastard Guy will do.

Post by **Ataxia** » 01 Nov 2013, 11:31

Renault have dropped their price to a far more competitive 375,000 per car per year. We've also had negotiations with two other teams; I will announce them when everything's 100%, or they can confirm their custom in thread.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 01 Nov 2013, 11:50

Wizzie wrote:Just in case the PM system doesn't work, Ligier are interested in continuing our semi-works deal with Ferrari for 1979. After that, who knows what that crazy bastard Guy will do.

Give us some of those brownies and we'll relent.

You also have mail, my good sir, as do messrs roblomas, This, Seedstriker and pasta.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 01 Nov 2013, 11:52

roblomas52 wrote:Wolf would like to state their interest in becoming a second Ferrari works team after a simple game of toss the coin.

Wait your turn, lad. Ensign asked first for Maranello power.

PD: The PM was sent back to me, so I'll do all buisness in the thread

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Nov 2013, 12:00

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Just in case the PM system doesn't work, Ligier are interested in continuing our semi-works deal with Ferrari for 1979. After that, who knows what that crazy bastard Guy will do.

Give us some of those brownies and we'll relent.

You also have mail, my good sir, as do messrs roblomas, This, Seedstriker and pasta.

You have mail, good sir

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 01 Nov 2013, 12:17

SeedStriker wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Wolf would like to state their interest in becoming a second Ferrari works team after a simple game of toss the coin.

Wait your turn, lad. Ensign asked first for Maranello power.

PD: The PM was sent back to me, so I'll do all buisness in the thread

The system often does that; it sends to both the recipient and the person that sent the PM

I did get your PM, and have replied, although if you wish to continue negotiations in-thread, that's fine by me

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 01 Nov 2013, 15:02

I'd like to remind you that the number of customers per engine is capped at 6, in order to prevent a situation like the tyre manufacturers in F1RWRS, where only Dunlop and Bridgestone had enough customers for a development program.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 01 Nov 2013, 15:52

Hmm, if they are six and we make profit of about 300-400 k per car, we will never return our money we initially invested in inventing the engine. However, the situation is one and the same for all.

Our plans were to sign with about 10 teams. However, I am not thinking of repricing our engines, as we have 2 ongoing negotiations and it will not be fair.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 01 Nov 2013, 15:59

BMW have one signed agreement already and are talking to no less than 4 other teams currently. We will not announce anything yet, until we make one large announcement at the end. We are pleased so far. Remember the compact BMW I4 is the ONLY engine to have if your going to invest in Ground Effects!

Pi, since money is a bit tight for all of us engine players, and since most of us are major car companies, can we get a "budget appropriation" from our Boards of Directors and share holders about 60-65% of the way through the year? (Cosworth and Mantra too to keep it fair) This could be very small (1,5mil-2mil tops) and heck could even vary based on points? Just so we all can keep upgrades flowing throughout the year......Just a thought.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 01 Nov 2013, 16:20

I received the data from Ferrari, can BMW or Alfa Romeo get me cheaper engines?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 01 Nov 2013, 16:28

This wrote:I received the data from Ferrari, can BMW or Alfa Romeo get me cheaper engines?

You have mail.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 01 Nov 2013, 16:30

Wallio wrote:
This wrote:I received the data from Ferrari, can BMW or Alfa Romeo get me cheaper engines?

You have mail.

Seconded

Any Team who wishes to have information about Alfa Romeo Engines let me know and i will get back you via PM

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 01 Nov 2013, 17:28

I ask FantometteBR, Ferrarist and Samster to check their e-mails.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 01 Nov 2013, 17:48

The boss of Wolf will make a statement on engines after he has had his supper.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 01 Nov 2013, 17:53

roblomas52 wrote:The boss of Wolf will make a statement on engines after he has had his supper.

Enzo Ferrari wishes you a pleasant supper and hopes many good things will befall you, your family and your chef. The fact that he wants you to buy his engines is merely coincidental.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 01 Nov 2013, 18:05

Cosworth are also interested in supplying Wolf. Nothing is for sure until there is some ink on the paper, right?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 01 Nov 2013, 18:07

roblomas52 wrote:The boss of Wolf will make a statement on engines after he has had his supper.

I hope the tray of cookies I sent finds you well.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 01 Nov 2013, 18:38

pycku wrote:I ask FantometteBR, Ferrarist and Samster to check their e-mails.

Checked and there is another PM in the way

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 01 Nov 2013, 18:49

Matra engine costs!

Matra will sell our very new basic engine for just 215k(per car and year)!
We will also make some upgrades during the season! This upgrade packages can be purchased during the season! Works deals are still available for just 220k!
You will have influence on upgrades(which part should be forced in development!)
We already signed a works-deal with Williams and are open to any other team on the grid! Just PM me!

If you wanna have a turbo engine that can last the the wole race, go with Matra!

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 01 Nov 2013, 18:55

FantometteBR wrote:
pycku wrote:I ask FantometteBR, Ferrarist and Samster to check their e-mails.

Checked and there is another PM in the way

answered

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 01 Nov 2013, 19:11

Btw, to be honest - Arrows are negotiating with one turbo and one N-A engine manufacturer. We will not announce any names now, but I believe we are close to a deal.

Post by **Ataxia** » 01 Nov 2013, 20:47

L'Equipe wrote:BACKSTABBED!

In preparation for Formula 1 next season, Renault Sport have made quite a large investment into their 1979-spec engines to ensure that the French marque is at the front of the grid. Although intended to bring their own F1 team to the fore, the engine has attracted some high-profile customers as it's rumoured to be the most powerful on the grid. Both Brabham and Lotus have made bids for the engine; the deals are expected to be confirmed within a matter of days. However, a deal with another team has gone sour after talks.

"It gives us great pleasure to have deals ready with Lotus and Brabham" said a Renault Sport spokesman "They are some of the sport's most well known teams and we look forward to working with them. However, we also had some very encouraging talks with another team and the deal was all set to go. The team wanted to have some say in our updates, which was fine with us because they are a championship challenging team. Everything looked good, but we did not hear from them for a couple of days. Eventually, we got a call which said that this team has decided to go for another engine supplier. We cannot name which team or engine is in question, but we can say that they are spineless British people with a name like a burger restaurant allying themselves with some Bavarians. As a famous British woman herself said, 'we are not amused'."

Renault assured us there would be no legal challenge, and that they will be angling for some more customers for next year..

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Nov 2013, 20:48

After much negotiation, Ligier will like to confirm they will continue using Ferrari engines for 1979. We look forward to the continuation of our successful partnership with the Prancing Horse

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 01 Nov 2013, 21:23

Ataxia wrote:
L'Equipe wrote:BACKSTABBED!

In preparation for Formula 1 next season, Renault Sport have made quite a large investment into their 1979-spec engines to ensure that the French marque is at the front of the grid. Although intended to bring their own F1 team to the fore, the engine has attracted some high-profile customers as it's rumoured to be the most powerful on the grid. Both Brabham and Lotus have made bids for the engine; the deals are expected to be confirmed within a matter of days. However, a deal with another team has gone sour after talks.

"It gives us great pleasure to have deals ready with Lotus and Brabham" said a Renault Sport spokesman "They are some of the sport's most well known teams and we look forward to working with them. However, we also had some very encouraging talks with another team and the deal was all set to go. The team wanted to have some say in our updates, which was fine with us because they are a championship challenging team. Everything looked good, but we did not hear from them for a couple of days. Eventually, we got a call which said that this team has decided to go for another engine supplier. We cannot name which team or engine is in question, but we can say that they are spineless British people with a name like a burger restaurant allying themselves with some Bavarians. As a famous British woman herself said, 'we are not amused'."

Renault assured us there would be no legal challenge, and that they will be angling for some more customers for next year..

The Bavarians think you doth protest too much. Besides if you hadn't priced yourself out of the market.......

Post by **Ataxia** » 01 Nov 2013, 21:29

Wallio wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
L'Equipe wrote:BACKSTABBED!

In preparation for Formula 1 next season, Renault Sport have made quite a large investment into their 1979-spec engines to ensure that the French marque is at the front of the grid. Although intended to bring their own F1 team to the fore, the engine has attracted some high-profile customers as it's rumoured to be the most powerful on the grid. Both Brabham and Lotus have made bids for the engine; the deals are expected to be confirmed within a matter of days. However, a deal with another team has gone sour after talks.

"It gives us great pleasure to have deals ready with Lotus and Brabham" said a Renault Sport spokesman "They are some of the sport's most well known teams and we look forward to working with them. However, we also had some very encouraging talks with another team and the deal was all set to go. The team wanted to have some say in our updates, which was fine with us because they are a championship challenging team. Everything looked good, but we did not hear from them for a couple of days. Eventually, we got a call which said that this team has decided to go for another engine supplier. We cannot name which team or engine is in question, but we can say that they are spineless British people with a name like a burger restaurant allying themselves with some Bavarians. As a famous British woman herself said, 'we are not amused'."

Renault assured us there would be no legal challenge, and that they will be angling for some more customers for next year..

The Bavarians think you doth protest too much. Besides if you hadn't priced yourself out of the market.......

You can't put a price on success...but we tried.

Suitably horrid 1970's-style poster, peddling our wares:

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 02 Nov 2013, 00:42

Nice trying by Ferrari by trying to convince me that a non-turbo engine is worth more than a BMW-Turbo.
Alfa-Romeo did its best though, but still, it was written in the stars that Kauhsen was going to choose BMW. I mean, those cookies really did it :lol:

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 02 Nov 2013, 01:08

Well, I may as well confirm it, Brabham is firmly in the Renault camp, having agreed a deal earlier this week.

As such, our team name will now be Lavazza Motor Racing Developments with Renault Power, or just Brabham for short.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 02 Nov 2013, 01:18

OI! I handed over Ferrari on the condition that you were not to supply Ligier with engines. Enzo is not a man who goes back on his word. Enzo is not a man who takes betrayal lightly.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 02 Nov 2013, 01:51

Boro can confirm that we will switch to BMW engines from 1979 after the men from Munich made an offer we couldn't refuse.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 02 Nov 2013, 02:00

McLaren will also be using BMW power for 1979.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 02 Nov 2013, 02:52

Shadow is very pleased to announce its new partnership with BMW Motorsport. Owing to the close nature of our forthcoming collaboration, Shadow Racing Team will be rechristened as BMW Shadow Racing to better reflect the new Shadow organization.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 02 Nov 2013, 07:52

We can now confirm that both Arrows and Tyrrell signed contracts with Cosworth. Including Penke, our family has now three members in 1979. This means we are open for more. If Ligier has some problems with the engines or in case any other team wants to - Cosworth are providing really reliable engines with good power and perfect fuel consumption.