The 2014 'Super Time! For Super-Susie' British GP Thread

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:20

That's ROTR sorted.

gg Ferrari.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:20

WOW. Williams have a massive heroes to zeroes moment and Ferrari start towards the back for the first time since, Monaco 2006?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:20

4th and 6th for Marussia as Ferrari and Williams get both cars out in Q1. :lol:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:22

Can we revoke Chilton's penalty?
Can I bunk off work?

GerhardTalger · Post by **GerhardTalger** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:24

good_Ralf wrote:WOW. Williams have a massive heroes to zeroes moment and Ferrari start towards the back for the first time since, Monaco 2006?

They had a similar wet/dry session strategist failure in Malaysia 2010, and probably they had one or two really poor sessions in 2009, but I'm not exactly sure about that.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:29

Quick, someone check the record books: What's the highest a driver of the new teams has gotten in any qualifying session? Did Bianchi just set a new record?

Also, bloody Sutil >_< Both Massa and Bottas were on VERY quick laps before the flags came out :/

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:37

DonTirri wrote:Quick, someone check the record books: What's the highest a driver of the new teams has gotten in any qualifying session? Did Bianchi just set a new record?

van der Garde was 3rd in Q1 last year at Spa.

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:40

BATHPLUG YOU GUTIERREZ :evil:

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:45

So Sauber had a chance of getting into Q1; cue Gutierrez Moron Mode!

GerhardTalger · Post by **GerhardTalger** » 05 Jul 2014, 12:46

Only six tenths... so close to Q3

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:03

Hamilton is finished.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:05

Lewis dun goofed...

GerhardTalger · Post by **GerhardTalger** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:07

Lewis Hamilchoke has done it again!

Post by **mario** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:15

Enforcer wrote:Lewis dun goofed...

Interestingly, the Sky team are reporting that Lewis was instructed by Mercedes to let Rosberg through if he thought that he couldn't improve on his time - because of that, he backed off and pulled off the racing line in order to let Nico through.

Given that most drivers were going a lot slower in the middle sector (Magnussen, who'd just gone through the second sector timing beam, was around two seconds off his best sector 2 time at that point), I wouldn't be surprised if Hamilton thought that the circuit conditions were worsening rather than improving (since it wasn't clear that it was possible to make time up in the final sector) and therefore he obeyed the instructions of the team to let Rosberg through, something that proved to be to his detriment.

Post by **Ataxia** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:17

mario wrote:
Enforcer wrote:Lewis dun goofed...

Interestingly, the Sky team are reporting that Lewis was instructed by Mercedes to let Rosberg through if he thought that he couldn't improve on his time - because of that, he backed off and pulled off the racing line in order to let Nico through.

Well, it was Hamilton's call to make, and he backed off in the middle sector. However, the time was in the final part of the lap, of course.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:22

Damn, for a moment there I really believed Bianchi was going to get into Q1

Oh, and there was some stuff with the front runners too but that wasnt as interesting.

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:28

Surely Hamilton should get a penalty for going slowly and stopping Perez getting that last lap in? If I were Perez I'd be absolutely furious.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:30

PT8475 wrote: If I were Perez I'd be absolutely furious.

He may have been too busy being a sexist pig...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07 ... _hp_ref=uk

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:34

Once again the stewards ignore the 107% rule. Seriously why even bother having it? Just scrap it. God forbid Catheram looks like shite in front of their new owners.....

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:36

CoopsII wrote:
PT8475 wrote: If I were Perez I'd be absolutely furious.

He may have been too busy being a sexist pig...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07 ... _hp_ref=uk

What a lovely man.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:37

mario wrote:
Enforcer wrote:Lewis dun goofed...

Interestingly, the Sky team are reporting that Lewis was instructed by Mercedes to let Rosberg through if he thought that he couldn't improve on his time - because of that, he backed off and pulled off the racing line in order to let Nico through.

I was half expecting him to use that as a means to blame the team for it, but no, tbf he's been honest enough to say he made a bad call:

"I don't know, I don't have much of an answer," says Lewis Hamilton when asked why he aborted the lap. When pushed for an answer, a disappointed Hamilton added: "I just decided not to do the lap."

Thing is, barring a lost nose or wheel in the opening melee, he'll be 2nd on the road by lap 5 anyway. So as long as he doesn't let it eat away at him mentally, he'll be fine.

@Wallio, the 107% rule isn't there to punish slow teams for not coping with conditions. It's there to make sure teams who, even in ideal conditions, are well off the pace aren't clogging up the track with lap traffic. If Caterham fell afoul of it on a weekend where it was bone dry and they'd been outside it all weekend, then there'd be a problem if they were allowed race.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:45

Enforcer wrote:@Wallio, the 107% rule isn't there to punish slow teams for not coping with conditions. It's there to make sure teams who, even in ideal conditions, are well off the pace aren't clogging up the track with lap traffic. If Caterham fell afoul of it on a weekend where it was bone dry and they'd been outside it all weekend, then there'd be a problem if they were allowed race.

There is definitely a problem where the stewards are far too lenient.

"Oh", they say, "but [X] set a lap half a second outside 107% in the dying moments of FP2 - he can race. And he was held up by traffic for a millisecond."

I'd like to see it being enforced, whatever the reason, in the dry. Would spice things up a little without endless gimmicks.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:48

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Enforcer wrote:@Wallio, the 107% rule isn't there to punish slow teams for not coping with conditions. It's there to make sure teams who, even in ideal conditions, are well off the pace aren't clogging up the track with lap traffic. If Caterham fell afoul of it on a weekend where it was bone dry and they'd been outside it all weekend, then there'd be a problem if they were allowed race.

There is definitely a problem where the stewards are far too lenient.

"Oh", they say, "but [X] set a lap half a second outside 107% in the dying moments of FP2 - he can race. And he was held up by traffic for a millisecond."

I'd like to see it being enforced, whatever the reason, in the dry. Would spice things up a little without endless gimmicks.

Seriously. They never enforce it. NEVER. Why have it? When I come go power the 107% rule will be airtight. No exceptions, ever, regardless of team. Catheram didn't deserve to make the show today, I'm sorry, but they weren't even close. But as usual, everybody gets a trophy.

Post by **mario** » 05 Jul 2014, 13:52

PT8475 wrote:Surely Hamilton should get a penalty for going slowly and stopping Perez getting that last lap in? If I were Perez I'd be absolutely furious.

The onboard cameras seemed to indicate that it was the other way around - that Perez was holding up Hamilton (which, in turn, meant he was holding up Rosberg), as Perez left the pits ahead of the two Mercedes drivers.

Enforcer wrote:
mario wrote:
Enforcer wrote:Lewis dun goofed...

Interestingly, the Sky team are reporting that Lewis was instructed by Mercedes to let Rosberg through if he thought that he couldn't improve on his time - because of that, he backed off and pulled off the racing line in order to let Nico through.

I was half expecting him to use that as a means to blame the team for it, but no, tbf he's been honest enough to say he made a bad call:

"I don't know, I don't have much of an answer," says Lewis Hamilton when asked why he aborted the lap. When pushed for an answer, a disappointed Hamilton added: "I just decided not to do the lap."

Thing is, barring a lost nose or wheel in the opening melee, he'll be 2nd on the road by lap 5 anyway. So as long as he doesn't let it eat away at him mentally, he'll be fine.

@Wallio, the 107% rule isn't there to punish slow teams for not coping with conditions. It's there to make sure teams who, even in ideal conditions, are well off the pace aren't clogging up the track with lap traffic. If Caterham fell afoul of it on a weekend where it was bone dry and they'd been outside it all weekend, then there'd be a problem if they were allowed race.

At least Hamilton took the responsibility for that - as you say, if Hamilton can replicate the sort of performance he had in the opening laps in Austria, he'll probably be on Rosberg's tail quite quickly anyway. 6th is not a terrible place to start from, and he might well be starting higher than that (Chilton was interviewed after Q2 and suggested that one Force India driver - which Sky seemed to think was Hulkenberg - didn't slow down in Q2 when he was driving past Gutierrez's crashed Sauber).

As for not enforcing the 107% rule, as you rightly point out there is a long standing precedent that the 107% rule is not applied during variable conditions, where it is considered unreasonable to penalise a driver who could have lapped within 107% of the pole time but for factors outside of his control (Kobayashi, for example, could have set a better time had he not suffered from a loss of oil pressure, hence why he had to pull out of the session). Would it really be fair to kick a driver out of the session because a mechanical failure prevented him from not setting a lap?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Jul 2014, 14:00

PT8475 wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
PT8475 wrote: If I were Perez I'd be absolutely furious.

He may have been too busy being a sexist pig...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07 ... _hp_ref=uk

What a lovely man.

It was out of context.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 05 Jul 2014, 14:46

One thing's for certain though. IF Rosberg wins tomorrow, you might aswell call the battle over. Nico already has such a mental deadlock on Lewis, that beating him infront of his home crowd will be the final nail in the coffin. Unless Lewis can return the favor in 2 weeks that is.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Jul 2014, 15:13

DonTirri wrote:One thing's for certain though. IF Rosberg wins tomorrow, you might aswell call the battle over. Nico already has such a mental deadlock on Lewis, that beating him infront of his home crowd will be the final nail in the coffin. Unless Lewis can return the favor in 2 weeks that is.

I wouldn't be so willing to call it over with so many races to go and so much still to happen, but yeah, if Rosberg wins, it will be a critical strike against Hamilton's championship hopes.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 05 Jul 2014, 15:35

I hope for more damp conditions for the race.

And, AGAIN, another bad strategy of Williams. Seriously, hire the Marussia's strategists.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 05 Jul 2014, 15:43

Looking at the starting grid, I was stunned to find out that Bianchi has the quickest Ferrari-powered car in P12. Wow, just wow!
The former Virgin/Manor team is taking a look at scoring points in the race already today.

The team from Maranello on the other hand ... oh oh.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Jul 2014, 16:25

Salamander wrote:
DonTirri wrote:One thing's for certain though. IF Rosberg wins tomorrow, you might aswell call the battle over. Nico already has such a mental deadlock on Lewis, that beating him infront of his home crowd will be the final nail in the coffin. Unless Lewis can return the favor in 2 weeks that is.

I wouldn't be so willing to call it over with so many races to go and so much still to happen, but yeah, if Rosberg wins, it will be a critical strike against Hamilton's championship hopes.

If Hamilton gets another DNF while Rosberg wins, however, it would leave Hamilton needing snookers.....

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 05 Jul 2014, 17:06

Maldonado EXCLUDED for insufficient fuel.

E: Benson claims he's allowed to start in 20th (with the Caterhams in 21st and 22nd) presumably because the Caterhams DNQd.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Jul 2014, 17:25

Whoop! Doesnt that bump Bianchi up to 11th? Holy buckets, the lad could bag some serious points now. Maybe even, yes, a podium!

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 05 Jul 2014, 17:30

CoopsII wrote:Whoop! Doesnt that bump Bianchi up to 11th? Holy buckets, the lad could bag some serious points now. Maybe even, yes, a podium!

No, Maldonado was behind him anyway.

Post by **mario** » 05 Jul 2014, 18:37

CoopsII wrote:
Salamander wrote:
DonTirri wrote:One thing's for certain though. IF Rosberg wins tomorrow, you might aswell call the battle over. Nico already has such a mental deadlock on Lewis, that beating him infront of his home crowd will be the final nail in the coffin. Unless Lewis can return the favor in 2 weeks that is.

I wouldn't be so willing to call it over with so many races to go and so much still to happen, but yeah, if Rosberg wins, it will be a critical strike against Hamilton's championship hopes.

If Hamilton gets another DNF while Rosberg wins, however, it would leave Hamilton needing snookers.....

And, of course, puts Hamilton into an increasingly uncomfortable position if Rosberg is able to continue extending his lead. I agree that it is perhaps a little too early to say Rosberg has a definite advantage, but he is certainly in the more comfortable position right now.

GwilymJJames wrote:Maldonado EXCLUDED for insufficient fuel.

E: Benson claims he's allowed to start in 20th (with the Caterhams in 21st and 22nd) presumably because the Caterhams DNQd.

Yes, it has been confirmed that Maldonado will be starting in 20th place - it appears that when Maldonado stopped on track in Q2, he only had 0.6 litres of fuel onboard, whereas he would have needed a minimum of 2.1 litres to make it back to the pits and provide a 1 litre fuel sample. However, as the Caterham's officially didn't qualify, it's correct that he will start ahead of them.

GwilymJJames wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Whoop! Doesnt that bump Bianchi up to 11th? Holy buckets, the lad could bag some serious points now. Maybe even, yes, a podium!

No, Maldonado was behind him anyway.

The only Marussia driver who is being bumped up the grid would be Chilton, who starts in 17th following a five place grid penalty for an unscheduled gearbox change after FP3. It'll be interesting to see what Bianchi can do from 12th, but if the weather is dry (which currently looks to be the case) I think that he is likely to go backwards rather than forwards during the race.

mrfakeboullier · Post by **mrfakeboullier** » 05 Jul 2014, 19:07

Summing up Qually in three words: U Mad Bro?, mainly aimed at my Caterham supporting friend (I support Marussia) and also at Lewis Hamilton.

KL-racer · Post by **KL-racer** » 05 Jul 2014, 19:48

Finally, an interesting qualifying session for once! I imagine that if the race starts out dry then the start will be the most important part of the GP, especially with a somewhat mixed up grid due to the rain today. I surely will not be shocked if there's an accident within the first couple laps, but I will be shocked if it starts raining again during the race.

Surely, tomorrow has the potential to be either exciting or a yawn fest.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 05 Jul 2014, 19:49

Qualiying was the most rare thing i ever seen in F1.There is a serious thing coming on here.Marussia P12,Ferrari P18 and P19?.
Bianchi has an opportunity to get even a podium

watka · Post by **watka** » 05 Jul 2014, 21:40

DonTirri wrote:One thing's for certain though. IF Rosberg wins tomorrow, you might aswell call the battle over. Nico already has such a mental deadlock on Lewis, that beating him infront of his home crowd will be the final nail in the coffin. Unless Lewis can return the favor in 2 weeks that is.

I wouldn't go that far. I can see Hamilton being affected in this race by the events in qualifying; it seems that things have generally conspired against him this season and what with this race being in front of the home fans, I would suspect that Lewis will be beating himself up more than usual (his expressions after qualifying said it all). It was a big mistake and he has no one else to blame. Rosberg I think has to be favourite for this race but Hamilton can come back at him over the rest of the season. We have the German and Hungarian Grand Prix next, and then the summer break. He'd take great pleasure if he can beat Rosberg in front of Nico's home fans and then its Hungary where Lewis has traditionally gone well. After that he can properly sort out his head over the summer break and take the battle over the last 7 races.

Also, I found some of DC's commentary quite disrespectful to Rosberg (I know for some of you this isn't a new phenomenon!). In final qualifying, he was practically praising Hamilton for holding up Rosberg and then made a sly dig at Rosberg by suggesting that Hamilton could run off track and bring out the yellows if he wanted. It was blatant bias and I can't believe he would say the same if it was the other way round.

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 06 Jul 2014, 04:17

More_Blue_Flags wrote:2014 British GP
ROTR: Another dubious tactical call or performance in the pits by Wiliams

I wasn't expecting Williams to make their bid for ROTR as early as Q1. Or for Ferrari to join them.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 06 Jul 2014, 12:08

Red Flag. Chaos.