The Junior Series Thread

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Apr 2015, 12:43

Nyck de Vries is a douchebag. Utterly disgraceful driving from him on the restart, stacking up the field massively and creating the potential for an awful pileup, and right at the end, where he realised too late that he'd handed the win to Vaxiviere on a silver platter. Glad that, in the end, the only person he wound up screwing over was himself.

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 26 Apr 2015, 13:54

And it's over now, Mick Schumacher won it's first race in ADAC F4

GerhardTalger · Post by **GerhardTalger** » 26 Apr 2015, 13:59

Salamander wrote:Nyck de Vries is a douchebag. Utterly disgraceful driving from him on the restart, stacking up the field massively and creating the potential for an awful pileup, and right at the end, where he realised too late that he'd handed the win to Vaxiviere on a silver platter. Glad that, in the end, the only person he wound up screwing over was himself.

As a Dutchman, I have to admit his last lap shenanigans were idiotic. The restart was one moment I didn't really understand either, if the field was backing up that much it should have been either heavy breaking by Nyck or just the rest of the field failing to act correctly. I thought it was the latter.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Apr 2015, 14:34

GerhardTalger wrote:
Salamander wrote:Nyck de Vries is a douchebag. Utterly disgraceful driving from him on the restart, stacking up the field massively and creating the potential for an awful pileup, and right at the end, where he realised too late that he'd handed the win to Vaxiviere on a silver platter. Glad that, in the end, the only person he wound up screwing over was himself.

As a Dutchman, I have to admit his last lap shenanigans were idiotic. The restart was one moment I didn't really understand either, if the field was backing up that much it should have been either heavy breaking by Nyck or just the rest of the field failing to act correctly. I thought it was the latter.

The field was in line behind the safety car, then when it drove off for the restart, de Vries just slowed down massively and kept everyone behind him for a good 30 seconds or so. Like, I understand trying to get the jump on everybody on a restart, but that was way overboard.

razta · Post by **razta** » 27 Apr 2015, 02:54

AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:And it's over now, Mick Schumacher won it's first race in ADAC F4

and guess who's already on the phone to him?
https://twitter.com/MercF1Fans/status/592333166708281346/

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 27 Apr 2015, 02:56

Was the restart as bad as Jenson's at Shanghai '10?

Rabbi Gordon · Post by **Rabbi Gordon** » 27 Apr 2015, 17:35

I have just caught up on FR 3.5 and the only thing I have to say is: Ha ha Dyck de Vries. Haa haa!

van Buuren is really perplexing... Shown little sign of being able to race like a top prospect last year.
Also hoping Zeta and Comtec will find drivers (Hoping for Laine) and a field of 24 cars will be here in June.

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 28 Apr 2015, 10:25

http://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2015/ ... g-drivers/
reports that 'F1' owners support some GP2 and GP3 drivers to help develop interest in key markets ( pick a key market, find driver from there, and give money ) .....but then have F1 financed in a way that means you only have 20 seats available for these drivers to compete for...

Their plan doesn't seem to be coming together .....as its missing an ingredient; F1 seats.

Still, seems they have some idea at least.

BigG80 · Post by **BigG80** » 09 May 2015, 23:47

I don't have access to WSR or F3 right now but hot diggity, GP2 has to be the best single seater series out there right now. Or does this belong in the Unpopular Opinions thread?

Anyway, the Feature race today was an absolute corker. Two different strategies playing out to a conclusion which was unknown until the flag...ok maybe the lap before the flag but the guys in 10 - 12 were still fighting over the line.

A really exciting race to watch so if you can, you should watch it.

Canamassas once again demonstrating why he is a complete liability and also underlining what a headache McLaren have on their hands. Too many great drivers on the books for too few seats.

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 10 May 2015, 08:50

Something happened during race 2 on GP2, Canamasas was not (!!!!!) involved

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 22 May 2015, 09:20

That is the oddest start I've seen in a race.

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 22 May 2015, 22:11

Aguaman wrote:That is the oddest start I've seen in a race.

Yes as Aguaman says; very odd. I was worried we'd have hardly any racing. But turned out great. Passing, racing, and tyres weren't too ridiculous . Virtual safety car worked really well. Hope F1 was paying attention.

Post by **Ataxia** » 22 May 2015, 23:25

After the feature race, Martin Brundle tested the GP2 car with some 18" rims:

Personally, I quite like the look of the low-profile tyres. Some people will definitely hate them, but it's something they'd get used to...

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 23 May 2015, 02:24

Ataxia wrote:Some people will definitely hate them, but it's something they'd get used to...

If by "used to" you mean "resigned to" like the direction cutting to celebrities, then yes.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 23 May 2015, 10:25

If Pirelli go ahead with 18" rims and tyres to go with them, they need to rethink how they put their logo on the sidewall because at the moment that tiny little thing is barely visible even in close up shots of the car.

They need to go back to how they had it when they last supplied tyres in F1 - putting Pirelli in an ordinary font following the curve of the tyre:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 23 May 2015, 14:17

Norman Nato sucks. End of story.

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 23 May 2015, 21:00

Well I thought the GP2 guys really showed F1 something. Aggressive racing, passing was tricky but possible, and the drivers were willing to have a go, and not just waiting for tyre degradation or a pitstop.
Very entertaining. Hugely helped by the tyres not being ridiculous, and the DRS having only a marginal effect, and having cars that can follow each other. .
Renault World Series has a lot to live up to ( and hasn't always done so) tomorrow.

Post by **Londoner** » 24 May 2015, 09:23

Red flag in the FR3.5 race after an enormous accident at St Devote involving Van Buuran and Bonifacio. The speed they went into the tyre barrier was sickening.

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 26 May 2015, 12:27

East Londoner wrote:Red flag in the FR3.5 race after an enormous accident at St Devote involving Van Buuran and Bonifacio. The speed they went into the tyre barrier was sickening.

Yes, as East Londoner wrote- that was scary. Van Buurens fronts weren't on the ground so no braking effect from them ...
I think I remember Michael Schumacher proposing having plates or defences behind the rear wheels to prevent tyre-to-tyre contact , entanglement and ramp effect, and also stop some of the spray effect in the rain. It seemed a great idea to me. Just something to make the cars deflect off each other rather than have tyre hit tyre and launch the car behind up off its front wheels.

The FR3.5 crew were a bit unruly actually- surprisingly so.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 26 May 2015, 15:09

yannicksamlad wrote:The FR3.5 crew were a bit unruly actually- surprisingly so.

No doubt there, given who ended up winning the race.

Post by **Londoner** » 31 May 2015, 10:21

I'm reading on Twitter that the third FIA F3 race at Monza this morning was red flagged at half distance, and that EVERY driver in the field is under investigation. What the bloody hell went on there then?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 31 May 2015, 11:08

East Londoner wrote:I'm reading on Twitter that the third FIA F3 race at Monza this morning was red flagged at half distance, and that EVERY driver in the field is under investigation. What the bloody hell went on there then?

Driving standards have been pretty bad all weekend long, resulting in multiple safety cars each race and two cars flipping during race 2. So after the second safety car came out in race 3, they decided to red flag it.

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 31 May 2015, 11:30

pi314159 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:I'm reading on Twitter that the third FIA F3 race at Monza this morning was red flagged at half distance, and that EVERY driver in the field is under investigation. What the bloody hell went on there then?

Driving standards have been pretty bad all weekend long, resulting in multiple safety cars each race and two cars flipping during race 2. So after the second safety car came out in race 3, they decided to red flag it.

Wow, that's pretty rejectful.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 31 May 2015, 11:38

Some of the incidents:

Stroll's massive crash

And Beretta's flip whilst Gunther spins off.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 31 May 2015, 13:05

AndreaModa wrote:And Beretta's flip whilst Gunther spins off.

That incident just says it all, doesn't it? As we watch one car push another off the road and into a spin, there's another dude just casually rolling over several times in the background, as you do. One accident per corner isn't enough. Standard.

Also, what the heck was Lance up to? You try to shove a dude off the road (or just aren't aware he's even there), he holds his line, you trip up over his wheels...it was an inevitability. Both perpetrator and victim at once. Must do better!

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 31 May 2015, 16:56

AndreaModa wrote:Some of the incidents:

Stroll's massive crash

And Beretta's flip whilst Gunther spins off.

Stroll was very lucky, he could had hit his head in catch fence.

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 01 Jun 2015, 12:24

novitopoli wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:I'm reading on Twitter that the third FIA F3 race at Monza this morning was red flagged at half distance, and that EVERY driver in the field is under investigation. What the bloody hell went on there then?

Driving standards have been pretty bad all weekend long, resulting in multiple safety cars each race and two cars flipping during race 2. So after the second safety car came out in race 3, they decided to red flag it.

Wow, that's pretty rejectful.

Yes I saw it on Motors TV - all the races . A bit of a mixture of just getting it slightly wrong (slipstreaming up on the cars ahead seemed to catch a few out as they arrived at the braking zone a bit quicker- good job they dont have DRS) and then there was the possibly more deliberate 'edging' technique to squeeze others out . I don't like to see that taken to the extremes that are now common. Lance Stroll looked like he was doing too much of that squeezing ( surely he knew about the car he was about to swipe) ...
And the safety car just meant they kept bunched and did it all again ..

But the big rolls are just the unlucky result of lightweight single seaters catching the uneven ground as they go sideways on the grass and are lifted a bit on hitting the barriers. They put smooth tarmac at the edge of the Parabolica, when maybe it'd be better on the approach to the first chicane and the exit onto the Curva Grande...

And the FR3.5 crew continued to be quite lively- at a lower level of mayhem , but still ..

What the GP3 grid will make of Austria turns 1 and 2 ... I don't know....

Post by **Miguel98** » 20 Jun 2015, 14:24

Sorry for the language, but...

Stroll is shite, shite, shite, shite, shite, shite. shite.

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 20 Jun 2015, 14:27

Miguel98 wrote:Sorry for the language, but...

Stroll is shite, shite, shite, shite, shite, shite. shite.

Nah, totally agree, Lance Stroll is the canadian Canamasas

Post by **Londoner** » 20 Jun 2015, 14:31

So it seems the events of Monza, and the bollocking they got from the authorities, has had precisely no effect on the FIA F3 field today. Driving standards (cough Lance Stroll cough) have been atrocious all day. Both races have had the leading three cars hitting each other going into Les Combes. And now this enormous accident for Menezes. Roll hoop destroyed and his helmet was damaged.

EDIT: A video of Menezes's crash has surfaced. If his car had flown a metre or so further over the armco, we'd be writing obituaries right now.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Jun 2015, 15:06

Sooooo disappointed in Lance Stroll. Thought he might be something great after last year, but his conduct this year has been quite appalling. Here's hoping somebody a bit more experienced has a sit-down with him and gets him to cut this nonsense out.

Post by **Londoner** » 20 Jun 2015, 15:10

Meanwhile in GP2, the VANDOORNEWINSLOL steamroller continues to roll on. Some brilliant racing all the way through the field during that feature race. Shoutouts to Alex Lynn and Artem Markelov for their great drives this afternoon.

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Jun 2015, 16:32

Fantastic drives from Fuoco and Mardenborough in the GP3; seemed Carlin really had the late-stage pace in their favour. Nice to see Ghiotto claim his first win, he looks amazingly quick this year.

The Dutch Bear · Post by **The Dutch Bear** » 20 Jun 2015, 17:46

East Londoner wrote:So it seems the events of Monza, and the bollocking they got from the authorities, has had precisely no effect on the FIA F3 field today. Driving standards (cough Lance Stroll cough) have been atrocious all day. Both races have had the leading three cars hitting each other going into Les Combes. And now this enormous accident for Menezes. Roll hoop destroyed and his helmet was damaged.

EDIT: A video of Menezes's crash has surfaced. If his car had flown a metre or so further over the armco, we'd be writing obituaries right now.

Stroll needs to be benched for a weekend or maybe kicked out of the Ferrari program, anyway a really big sign that he needs to chill out big time. His driving standards have been totally unacceptable and that move in the second race was just ******* dumb.

Menezes really dodged a canonball there during the crash and afterwards as the marshalls just flipped his car over after the crash. If Menezes had a neck or back injury that drop on the ground could have seriously harmed him.

Post by **mario** » 20 Jun 2015, 20:19

The Dutch Bear wrote:
East Londoner wrote:So it seems the events of Monza, and the bollocking they got from the authorities, has had precisely no effect on the FIA F3 field today. Driving standards (cough Lance Stroll cough) have been atrocious all day. Both races have had the leading three cars hitting each other going into Les Combes. And now this enormous accident for Menezes. Roll hoop destroyed and his helmet was damaged.

EDIT: A video of Menezes's crash has surfaced. If his car had flown a metre or so further over the armco, we'd be writing obituaries right now.

Stroll needs to be benched for a weekend or maybe kicked out of the Ferrari program, anyway a really big sign that he needs to chill out big time. His driving standards have been totally unacceptable and that move in the second race was just ******* dumb.

Menezes really dodged a canonball there during the crash and afterwards as the marshalls just flipped his car over after the crash. If Menezes had a neck or back injury that drop on the ground could have seriously harmed him.

Todt has stated that the FIA intend to hold a second meeting with the drivers, although it sounds as if some of the drivers feel that the FIA should be holding face to face meeting with specific drivers and make it clear that they will penalise them harshly if there are further accidents rather than holding collective briefings.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119598

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 20 Jun 2015, 21:18

So, Stroll will get a harsh penalty after his second massive crash? He is doing worse than Canamassas.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Jun 2015, 21:21

Dj_bereta wrote:He is doing worse than Canamassas.

That's a bit harsh. Canamasas has been an utter liability for years. Stroll's had 2 stupid crashes that were his fault, but let's not go overboard with the comparisons, alright?

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 21 Jun 2015, 09:18

YESSSS YESSSSS, HAHAHAAAAAA

Post by **Londoner** » 21 Jun 2015, 09:32

And yet another kek train in FIA F3, although Lance Stroll had already been told to go home by the stewards before the race. A shame Tatiana Calderon finished outside the points in the end, she was superb on the wet tyres during the first half of the race, whilst virtually everyone else was losing their heads.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 21 Jun 2015, 15:08

Calderon was the only driver who didn't get slagged off by the broadcasters for attempting a passing move. First time a woman led a lap in F3, stole some headlines...

Good on you, Tatiana Calderon.