Reject of the Race: Singapore

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:19

That guy walking the track! WHAT IS HE DOING? Neil Horan, anybody?

went · Post by **went** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:22

^ That. A million times. How is that even possible?? What's up with security? What's wrong with organisation?

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:25

This lunacy is a no brainer as to who the ROTR is. What an idiot.

went · Post by **went** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:26

Bonus points for Rossi for not unlapping himself.

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:07

Wow will do an analysis in a minute but... Toro Rosso telling their drivers to switch positions??? They have put a bid in haven't they!!!

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:09

Random dude on track easily. You could blame security but who the heck thinks like that?

Post by **mario** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:11

golic_2004 wrote:That guy walking the track! WHAT IS HE DOING? Neil Horan, anybody?

The most surreal part was the fact that he was walking down the side of the track in an incredibly casual manner, as if he was simply walking down to the shops. It also begs the question of how he was able to then simply hop through the fences and escape - because that also implies that there are gaps in the fencing too, which is a bit worrying from the point of view of containing debris.

Post by **Londoner** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:12

Felipe Massa - Your team didn't mean "undercut" literally, you know...

Stewards - Hulk gets a penalty for that, and he isn't even allowed to explain his side of the story? Jesus wept.

Jenson Button - I bet he's really, really happy he got to stay at McLaren at the end of last year.

But ROTR has to go to:

The track invader and the organisers - The track invader would be a slam dunk ROTR anyway, but I've heard that he managed to escape and return into the crowd undetected. Terrible effort by the organisers.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:17

East Londoner wrote:The track invader and the organisers - The track invader would be a slam dunk ROTR anyway, but I've heard that he managed to escape and return into the crowd undetected. Terrible effort by the organisers.

What he said.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:17

rachel1990 wrote:Wow will do an analysis in a minute but... Toro Rosso telling their drivers to switch positions??? They have put a bid in haven't they!!!

I think they were doing a Red Bull and were planning to let Sainz have a go at Perez, if he couldn't get past, then he in turn would be asked to let Verstappen back through to make it fair.

The man on track deserves to win but as for alternates:

McLaren: Alonso has another car problem, and literally one minute after Button says something like "Let's go out there and get some points!", he bins it against the back of Maldonado.

Lotus drivers' luck: The luckless Maldonado suffers car damage and Grosjean is put on a shonky strategy, so even though both cars finish (for only the 2nd time all year!), they score no points again.

Race stewards: The Massa/Hulkenberg collision was just a racing incident, neither driver deserved a penalty, plus they let Verstappen unlap himself but not the Marussias..., who then held up everyone and summing up why the 'unlapping behind the SC' rule exists. #illuminaticonfirmed

GerhardTalger · Post by **GerhardTalger** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:19

1. Stewards
2. Kvyat's luck with the SC's

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:19

good_Ralf wrote:... plus they let Verstappen unlap himself but not the Marussias..., who then held up everyone and summing up why the 'unlapping behind the SC' rule exists. #illuminaticonfirmed

They did let the Marussias unlap themselves, but Rossi wasn't getting on with it.

Fetzie · Post by **Fetzie** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:20

How the .... does a spectator

1. Get past the security and the track stewards
2. Get on the track
3. Jog 100 metres
4. Get off the track
5. Get past the security and the track stewards
6. Disappear

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:23

Salamander wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:... plus they let Verstappen unlap himself but not the Marussias..., who then held up everyone and summing up why the 'unlapping behind the SC' rule exists. #illuminaticonfirmed

They did let the Marussias unlap themselves, but Rossi wasn't getting on with it.

Ah, I read at some point that the Marussias were not permitted to unlap themselves, during the first safety car. :roll:

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:23

I'll add Keith from F1 Fanatic for blaming Pastor when Button ran into him.

Race stewards for penalty to Hulkenberg without hearing from both drivers. Though he was going to get one anyways

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:29

good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:... plus they let Verstappen unlap himself but not the Marussias..., who then held up everyone and summing up why the 'unlapping behind the SC' rule exists. #illuminaticonfirmed

They did let the Marussias unlap themselves, but Rossi wasn't getting on with it.

Ah, I read at some point that the Marussias were not permitted to unlap themselves, during the first safety car.

Maybe because they were already at the back of the field, even being lapped? I'm not sure about that, though.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:30

To anyone voting Rossi, the reason he didn't unlap himself was because Manor were having problems with their radio, hence they couldn't give him the instruction to overtake the safety car.

As for my nominations, well it's been covered. He had the look of a disturbed man, I almost feel sorry for him...

Post by **mario** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:35

Fetzie wrote:How the .... does a spectator

1. Get past the security and the track stewards
2. Get on the track
3. Jog 100 metres
4. Get off the track
5. Get past the security and the track stewards
6. Disappear

He didn't even seem to be jogging along the track - he seemed to be walking at a fairly languid pace, as if he didn't expect anybody to catch him at all.

All in all, that was a pretty shocking lapse in security - at least when we have seen other instances where people have invaded the track, they have been able to catch the individuals before they could cause any harm to anybody (including themselves).

good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:... plus they let Verstappen unlap himself but not the Marussias..., who then held up everyone and summing up why the 'unlapping behind the SC' rule exists. #illuminaticonfirmed

They did let the Marussias unlap themselves, but Rossi wasn't getting on with it.

Ah, I read at some point that the Marussias were not permitted to unlap themselves, during the first safety car.

What happened was that they issued the instruction to Rossi and Stevens to unlap themselves but, as Simtek notes, it seems that Rossi's radio had failed by that point. It therefore seems that race control took the decision to cancel that instruction and ordered them to hold position, reasoning that it would be easier to restart the race without letting them unlap themselves.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:40

I'd like to nominate Sky for their pre-race hype of Hamilton matching Senna's win count, only for it to be overshadowed by Vettel, um, overtaking it.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:05

Yes! That, and their complete inability to talk about the winning team when Ferrari win a race. Last time, it was Mercedes blah blah blah and this time, bloody Christian Horner on screen straight away!

Come on guys, at least TRY to prove that you don't love Mercedes and Red Bull so much.

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:06

Of course, the track pedestrian deserves it. However, I think some others deserve to be mentioned.

Toro Rosso for the confusing situation with the team orders. Franz Tost has actually said Verstappen was right for not listening...

Felipe Massa for running into Hülkenberg.

The stewards for punishing Hülkenberg because Massa ran into him.

Mercedes for a very disappointing week-end.

McLaren for another step to being über-ROTR.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:10

1. Lunatic person. You want to die?
2. Toro Rosso radio. Wat???

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:35

Lotus strategists: In the last year, staying in the track in the last safety car period didn't work and they repeat the mistake in this year. Maldonado finished only 0,2s behind Ericsson, pitting for new tyres in the last laps. More three or four laps and Maldonado had catch Nasr for sure.

They threw away good points.

Special mentions:

Brazilian coverage main commentator Galvão Bueno: Criticized the track saying there are no overtaking places and the organizes should follow the example of Valencia street circuit :lol:

, because there is a straight for overtakes in the Spanish track (just remember: he praises Monaco). Also, he made a rant against Marussia again, saying the team isn't a Formula 1 team and is just here for fill the grid and asked for F1 to strict the rules in order to prevent teams like Marussia of racing. Finally, after listening what Hulkenberg said after the crash, he said "o choro é livre". This a common Brazilian slang for a person who is just whining about something.

The lol guy in the track: Helped Lotus and Mclaren in losing more points.

Mclaren: Double DNF in a race that they could had scored points.

Stewards: Hulkenberg didn't deserved the grid penalty.

LolLola · Post by **LolLola** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:45

Dj_bereta wrote:Stewards: Hulkenberg didn't deserved the grid penalty.

No he does. Okay he maybe won Le Mans but he should give room to Massa. Clearly Massa is there and he just cut the room. Disgrace.

ROTR to the person on the track. Best lol of pun of irony of sarcasm.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:52

LolLola wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Stewards: Hulkenberg didn't deserved the grid penalty.

No he does. Okay he maybe won Le Mans but he should give room to Massa. Clearly Massa is there and he just cut the room. Disgrace.

What you have to remember is that you can't really see out of the side of an F1 car with all the safety gear and such. Hulkenberg did not have much of an idea of where Massa was until he hit him. In all honesty, Massa poking his nose in there made no sense because he'd just pitted - on the cold tyres, Hulkenberg would've breezed past him easily down Raffles Boulevard.

IceG · Post by **IceG** » 20 Sep 2015, 15:56

Hulkenberg stated that he knew Massa was there in a Sky interview...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:07

East Londoner wrote:The track invader and the organisers - The track invader would be a slam dunk ROTR anyway, but I've heard that he managed to escape and return into the crowd undetected. Terrible effort by the organisers.

Open and shut ROTR. I'm doubly astounded that someone can break into a live major sporting event and sneak out without anyone involved noticing. Quite an alarming thought.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:14

Random Lunatic on the track (and its not Pastor Maldonado for once)

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:16

Biscione wrote:
East Londoner wrote:The track invader and the organisers - The track invader would be a slam dunk ROTR anyway, but I've heard that he managed to escape and return into the crowd undetected. Terrible effort by the organisers.

Open and shut ROTR. I'm doubly astounded that someone can break into a live major sporting event and sneak out without anyone involved noticing. Quite an alarming thought.

Ok, now what about Hungary, Belgium and Italy?

Zergon · Post by **Zergon** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:20

Biscione wrote:
East Londoner wrote:The track invader and the organisers - The track invader would be a slam dunk ROTR anyway, but I've heard that he managed to escape and return into the crowd undetected. Terrible effort by the organisers.

Open and shut ROTR. I'm doubly astounded that someone can break into a live major sporting event and sneak out without anyone involved noticing. Quite an alarming thought.

I normally like to keep this between teams and drivers but even I have to agree that this deserves ROTR (both the guy and the organisers), Someone gettting into the track I could still understand, sure it shouldn´t happen and is a bad mistake but you usually expect people to have some sense so it can be quite surprising when someone decides to do something as stupid as that. However, how an earth that guy managed to get away without no-one noticing?

EDIT: According to www.motorsport.com, the guy has been arrested by local police so guess he didn´t get away after all.

Honorable mentions go to Hulkenberg for throwing poinst away and McLaren for having douple retirement because of technical problems on one of the only races where they actually could (and should) have scored some points.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:22

IceG wrote:Hulkenberg stated that he knew Massa was there in a Sky interview...

He said he knew he exited the pits but not exactly where he was, which makes sense - if he knew Massa was right alongside him, why would he have turned across like that?

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:25

Salamander wrote:
IceG wrote:Hulkenberg stated that he knew Massa was there in a Sky interview...

He said he knew he exited the pits but not exactly where he was, which makes sense - if he knew Massa was right alongside him, why would he have turned across like that?

If he knew he exited the pit, but don't know, why not run wide a bit? Losing few seconds for safety is not expensive

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:44

AxelP800 wrote:
Salamander wrote:
IceG wrote:Hulkenberg stated that he knew Massa was there in a Sky interview...

He said he knew he exited the pits but not exactly where he was, which makes sense - if he knew Massa was right alongside him, why would he have turned across like that?

If he knew he exited the pit, but don't know, why not run wide a bit? Losing few seconds for safety is not expensive

Why did Massa not back off? He could see Hulkenberg the whole time and knew he was ahead.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Sep 2015, 16:51

AxelP800 wrote:If he knew he exited the pit, but don't know, why not run wide a bit? Losing few seconds for safety is not expensive

Because this approach is the antithesis of the entire sport. Hulkenberg is not doing his job if he runs wide on purpose for a driver he's not even sure is next to him or not.

Simtek wrote:Ok, now what about Hungary, Belgium and Italy?

Does anyone really care? Whatever I said at the time, make it "official", I guess. So Italy goes to the FIA Technical Delegates for making a complete hash of their tyre pressure testing procedure and putting Mercedes through the ringer for nothing, Belgium goes to Williams for that bizarre tyre mix-up on top of their generally woeful performance, and Hungary is...err...a joint award for both Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg; their cars were clearly fast enough to win and yet unforced errors by both drivers derailed their afternoons entirely.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 20 Sep 2015, 17:12

Hulkenberg crash remind me about the 2008 Japanese Grand Prix, when Bourdais was exiting the pits and come together with Massa in turn 1 and both crashed (Massa in the Hulk's place). The stewards punished the Frenchman and he lost valuable points (he finished ahead of Vettel in that race).

girry · Post by **girry** » 20 Sep 2015, 17:14

Event security is the obvious call here, but HM:s to Sky, which I had to revert to for this weekend, for how much of their broadcast they concentrate on Mercedes and McLaren - and to Hülkenberg after he said he knew Massa was there. I'm quite baffled as to how anybody would blame Massa for not predicting Hülkenberg would simply turn into him. Very uncharacteristic of the German.

Oh, and a third mention to Brundle for vocally praising how Sainz barged off Grosjean, and then going on to advocate the playstation generation driving style "they're in combat" "this is the advantage of asphalt runoff areas, there would have been one car less in the race if there was gravel there"....yeah, have at it kids. Lance Stroll style.

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 20 Sep 2015, 17:43

And a HM to Nigel Mansell, for pointing out yesterday evening on Twitter how Mercedes was "sandbagging" during qualifying, just to find out after some minutes he was actually watching a repeat.

Post by **Miguel98** » 20 Sep 2015, 17:51

The guy walking the track. For better pictures? That's ROTR material..

Post by **mario** » 20 Sep 2015, 18:09

Salamander wrote:Why did Massa not back off? He could see Hulkenberg the whole time and knew he was ahead.

To be fair to Massa, it should be borne in mind that Hulkenberg was only fractionally ahead of Massa and his car was a long way to the right of Massa's car. I would not be surprised, therefore, if Massa was not actually able to see Hulkenberg as his peripheral vision would be severely impaired by the high side impact structures around the cockpit.

Spectoremg · Post by **Spectoremg** » 20 Sep 2015, 18:42

Button's diary entry: Threw away a good points finish for a dice with Pastor