2016 Monaco Grand Prix

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 17 May 2016, 12:47

Ultrasoft debut!

Only Renault that has different tires selection for both drivers, though only 1 difference in SS and US.

Okay saying Ultra Soft as US felt bizarre for me..... UltS then

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 17 May 2016, 15:06

I'm not sure if Williams have made a good or a bad choice with more super softs and less Ultras than the other 3 big teams

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 17 May 2016, 18:20

WeirdKerr wrote:I'm not sure if Williams have made a good or a bad choice with more super softs and less Ultras than the other 3 big teams

I imagine that things like that will come down to race day track temperature and degradation rates and stuff... But i won't know stuff like that until I return to England after going to the United State of Indiana.

The Chicane · Post by **The Chicane** » 19 May 2016, 17:39

Good chance for Manor to gain points this Grand Prix, I'm rooting for them.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 20 May 2016, 08:24

AxelP800 wrote:Ultrasoft debut!

So we have Soft, Super Soft and Ultra Soft. What's after that? Chocolate wheels?

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 20 May 2016, 13:24

CoopsII wrote:
AxelP800 wrote:Ultrasoft debut!

So we have Soft, Super Soft and Ultra Soft. What's after that? Chocolate wheels?

I say fluffy tires. (fuwa fuwaa~~)

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 20 May 2016, 16:42

CoopsII wrote:So we have Soft, Super Soft and Ultra Soft. What's after that? Chocolate wheels?

Reminds me of a childish song that was a favourite in the playground - "Soft, Soft, Chocolate Wheels, Round the corner.....massive crash probably"

lance_rambert · Post by **lance_rambert** » 20 May 2016, 21:07

CoopsII wrote:So we have Soft, Super Soft and Ultra Soft. What's after that? Chocolate wheels?

We should expect cheese tires and Jolly Rancher wheels in the next couple of years.

...okay, that doesn't sound very tasty at all.

Post by **mario** » 21 May 2016, 10:39

So, it would seem that Renault have decided to bring forward the introduction of their new engine from the Canadian GP to this weekend instead after very favourable test data from the recent test session in Barcelona.

However, because of the quick turnaround, Renault have only been able to produce two of the "Spec D" power units for Monaco - one of those units is being given to Red Bull, with the other being held by Renault. It will be interesting to see which of the two drivers within their respective teams is given the new engine - I imagine that Magnussen might get the upgrade first at Renault, given he has been the more competitive driver, but the situation at Red Bull is much more delicately poised.

lance_rambert · Post by **lance_rambert** » 21 May 2016, 16:47

mario wrote:It will be interesting to see which of the two drivers within their respective teams is given the new engine - I imagine that Magnussen might get the upgrade first at Renault, given he has been the more competitive driver, but the situation at Red Bull is much more delicately poised.

With the help of a translator:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/formel-1 ... 31765.html

Magnussen and Ricciardo are getting the new engines. Unless another journalist comes by and says something else.

The Chicane · Post by **The Chicane** » 21 May 2016, 17:20

How many race accidents do you guys predict will happen at this years Monaco Grand Prix?

Post by **Londoner** » 22 May 2016, 14:07

Boullier's certainly confident about McLaren's chances in the Principality...

watka · Post by **watka** » 22 May 2016, 20:04

dr-baker wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:I'm not sure if Williams have made a good or a bad choice with more super softs and less Ultras than the other 3 big teams

I imagine that things like that will come down to race day track temperature and degradation rates and stuff... But i won't know stuff like that until I return to England after going to the United State of Indiana.

Are you going to the Indy 500? If so have a great time! I was just thinking that this year I actually have a way to watch the Indy 500 live (BT Sport) but not the Monaco GP live. Got no problems with the Indy 500 (in fact I might watch it) but British TV really needs to sort out its priorities.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 23 May 2016, 11:49

East Londoner wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124430/mclaren-can-beat-ferrari-in-monaco--boullier <- Boullier's certainly confident about McLaren's chances in the Principality...

I'll believe it when I see it to be honest. I'll enjoy it if I see it! The frustration of wanting to see McLaren do well, but constantly watching them struggle is getting a bit much. I mean, Button hasn't actually stood on the podium since his last win in Interlagos 2012.

Seeing McLaren finish in like 5th and 6th this weekend would be so welcome. Especially if it's on merit and in front of the Ferraris.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 23 May 2016, 13:07

watka wrote:
Are you going to the Indy 500? If so have a great time! I was just thinking that this year I actually have a way to watch the Indy 500 live (BT Sport) but not the Monaco GP live. Got no problems with the Indy 500 (in fact I might watch it) but British TV really needs to sort out its priorities.

I am indeed! And I'm happy to see that Pippa Mann has qualified 25th, so she has two whole rows of the grid behind her...

yannicksamlad · Post by **yannicksamlad** » 24 May 2016, 11:50

As always there's the tantalising prospect of a rain shower, the walls are close, the cars look fast (all of them - any category), the place look great...I get very excited for Monaco in a way that just doesn't quite replicate for other races..
Is it the same for others?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 May 2016, 15:54

yannicksamlad wrote:As always there's the tantalising prospect of a rain shower, the walls are close, the cars look fast (all of them - any category), the place look great...I get very excited for Monaco in a way that just doesn't quite replicate for other races..
Is it the same for others?

I'm excited for Monaco, but this year (more so than most other years), there's another race that I am getting excited by on the same day.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 24 May 2016, 16:00

yannicksamlad wrote:As always there's the tantalising prospect of a rain shower, the walls are close, the cars look fast (all of them - any category), the place look great...I get very excited for Monaco in a way that just doesn't quite replicate for other races..
Is it the same for others?

I always like Monaco. And always get excited for it. Despite the lack of overtaking and many processional races, Monaco is capable of throwing some of the most amazing moments ever seen in F1. And it is amazing to see F1 cars racing there. One of the last challenging circuits, IMHO.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 24 May 2016, 20:12

It's still the one I look forward to most - Monaco 1982 made me realise how amazing F1 can be. It's rarely been as exciting since, but I live in hope!

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 25 May 2016, 08:48

Barbazza wrote:It's still the one I look forward to most - Monaco 1982 made me realise how amazing F1 can be. It's rarely been as exciting since, but I live in hope!

1993 was pretty good too. Fabrizio Barbazza started 25th and finished 11th. He was a stunningly underrated driver.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 May 2016, 15:28

CoopsII wrote:
Barbazza wrote:It's still the one I look forward to most - Monaco 1982 made me realise how amazing F1 can be. It's rarely been as exciting since, but I live in hope!

1993 was pretty good too. Fabrizio Barbazza started 25th and finished 11th. He was a stunningly underrated driver.

1996 sticks in my mind. Murray Walker recently (last December) gave a talk at Beaulieu's National Motor Museum, and got some audience participation to remember who won that year's race. It was me that he heard give the answer (for both driver and team).

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 25 May 2016, 17:17

dr-baker wrote:1996 sticks in my mind. Murray Walker recently (last December) gave a talk at Beaulieu's National Motor Museum, and got some audience participation to remember who won that year's race. It was me that he heard give the answer (for both driver and team).

It was a very exciting race and only someone like Panis winning could have taken away my disappointment at Hills retirement. What an image...

SuzukiSwift · Post by **SuzukiSwift** » 25 May 2016, 17:33

A round of applause for our friend attrition.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 25 May 2016, 17:50

SuzukiSwift wrote:A round of applause for our friend attrition.

Where would F1 Rejects be without it? What can the reject hope for if not the gentle kiss of luck which banishes away the mechanical gremlins that sometimes affect the better funded, better supported drivers and teams?

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 25 May 2016, 20:18

CoopsII wrote:1993 was pretty good too. Fabrizio Barbazza started 25th and finished 11th. He was a stunningly underrated driver.

Of course, that plus a couple of points still not enough to keep out that upstart Martini though!

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 26 May 2016, 01:40

Meanwhile, Alonso is worried about being caught with his hand down his pants.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 26 May 2016, 09:56

AustralianStig wrote:Meanwhile, Alonso is worried about being caught with his hand down his pants.

Yeah, ridiculous rule change that will have no effect on the viewing public's watching of the sport. OK, so it won't block the occasional brake duct. So it will marginally increase reliability. Not what I would like to see...

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 26 May 2016, 10:16

Gutiérrez 2016 mechanical failures: 1,039

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 26 May 2016, 12:12

Can you imagine a car hitting a wall and all the visors flying up into the air out of the car like confetti?

watka · Post by **watka** » 26 May 2016, 12:14

CoopsII wrote:
dr-baker wrote:1996 sticks in my mind. Murray Walker recently (last December) gave a talk at Beaulieu's National Motor Museum, and got some audience participation to remember who won that year's race. It was me that he heard give the answer (for both driver and team).

It was a very exciting race and only someone like Panis winning could have taken away my disappointment at Hills retirement. What an image...

Man, I miss Ligier (and Prost) a lot. The cars always looked splendid and they were often capable of causing an upset. We think of Monaco '96 but they did astonishingly well in 1997. Panis was in contention for race wins and they also had Trulli doing wonders in his debut season - I remember Austria '97 as well as I do Monaco '96. Funny that Trulli's only GP victory then came at Monaco.

Post by **Miguel98** » 26 May 2016, 13:08

And half-the-grid has either crashed somewhere, or locked up at St Devote today :facepalm:

Neno · Post by **Neno** » 26 May 2016, 14:28

It's good when you don't have tarmac run off areas at every corner => crashs

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 26 May 2016, 14:40

Miguel98 wrote:And half-the-grid has either crashed somewhere, or locked up at St Devote today

More of that on Sunday and we could be in for a hell of a race.

Post by **mario** » 26 May 2016, 18:49

On a related note, both Rosberg and Button had their cars damaged by a drain cover close to St. Devote in the first practise session. Adam Cooper is suggesting that this might in fact be the very same drain which broke Rubens's suspension in 2010 and put him out of the race - if so, it might raise a few questions given that they've now had a repeat of this issue.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 26 May 2016, 20:41

mario wrote:On a related note, both Rosberg and Button had their cars damaged by a drain cover close to St. Devote in the first practise session. Adam Cooper is suggesting that this might in fact be the very same drain which broke Rubens's suspension in 2010 and put him out of the race - if so, it might raise a few questions given that they've now had a repeat of this issue.

Did the drain cover ger ROTR?

watka · Post by **watka** » 26 May 2016, 20:59

WeirdKerr wrote:
mario wrote:On a related note, both Rosberg and Button had their cars damaged by a drain cover close to St. Devote in the first practise session. Adam Cooper is suggesting that this might in fact be the very same drain which broke Rubens's suspension in 2010 and put him out of the race - if so, it might raise a few questions given that they've now had a repeat of this issue.

Did the drain cover ger ROTR?

I believe a drain cover got ROTR for a Chinese GP once, seem to remember Montoya being put out of the race because of it.

Neno wrote:It's good when you don't have tarmac run off areas at every corner => crashs

I do wonder if the current crop of drivers are more crash-prone than others in history. This season has not yet seen a clean first lap. You look at GP2 and GP3 races and drivers are being super-aggressive and getting into silly incidents and its becoming the norm to do dive-bomb passes now and squeeze each other off track. Seems to me like we've got a bit of a Senna-worshiping generation; everyone thinks they have a God-given right to track space and anyone who stops them be damned. Not a criticism of Senna; he earned that respect by being multiple WC (although his move in Japan '90 is still one of the most disgusting things F1 has ever seen). But you've got these guys coming up and just expecting that they can scare each other off the road and that with the modern chassis of open-wheelers that they are pretty much invincible.

I better stop before I complete my transformation into Captain Safety again!

Post by **Londoner** » 28 May 2016, 12:26

Max Verstappen, he's a bigger fraud than Jamie Vardy. Can we have Carlos Sainz Jr in that Red Bull for Canada? :pantano:

lance_rambert · Post by **lance_rambert** » 28 May 2016, 13:01

Hamilton's engine just took a dump. Again.

I await the Cheatsberg conspiracy theories now...

Post by **Londoner** » 28 May 2016, 13:02

Oh dear indeed. I hope the Mercedes social media team get paid well, quite frankly...

EDIT: Holy moly Daniel, what a lap. :shock:

Post by **mario** » 28 May 2016, 18:07

lance_rambert wrote:Hamilton's engine just took a dump. Again.

I await the Cheatsberg conspiracy theories now...

Whilst the idea that Mercedes would be deliberately sabotaging Hamilton is certainly far fetched, the fact that Hamilton is suffering from so many mechanical issues in close succession is inevitably going to drive those sorts of accusations. At the very least, you have to wonder what is going on with Mercedes's quality assurance systems - something doesn't seem to be going right if they are suffering from that many serious issues in such a short period of time.

As for Ricciardo, if ever there was a good time to pull out a lap like that, I can't think of one - the big question is going to be how things play out tomorrow though. Red Bull went for something of a wildcard by using the supersoft tyres, which could lead to some interesting strategy options - however, with the possibility that we could see a wet start tomorrow, it might be the case that luck is as much of a variable as skill.