2016 Canadian Grand Prix thread

[AxelP800]

I just found out that selecting 0 tires for a certain compound is allowed



Haas has a lot of UltS

[Izzyeviel]

Groundhog Day!

[Bobby Doorknobs]

Groundhog Day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeb08cbUswk

[Row Man Gross-Gene]

Wow, Haas going very aggressive again with their tire choice. I really hope it works out finally because they've been off the points-scoring wagon for a few races now. Just watch, the super-soft will be the best tire.

[Izzyeviel]

Groundhog Day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeb08cbUswk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6szAhX8oJE

Arent they cute??

[Bleu]

The tyre allocation means that every driver has to use softs during the race. Each team has, as you can see, at least two soft sets.

So for example US/SS/US is not allowed this time.

[mario]

The tyre allocation means that every driver has to use softs during the race. Each team has, as you can see, at least two soft sets.

So for example US/SS/US is not allowed this time.

Which is a shame in a way, since I suspect that the race strategies will then boil down to US-S for the top 10 and S-US for those outside it - only Haas might try going for two stints on the US tyres, given that they made a similar strategy work in Bahrain.

On another note, Renault have confirmed that, following his shunt in Monaco, Palmer will be using a new chassis in Canada after heavily damaging the front of his chassis. Magnussen, though, will be keeping his current chassis given that he only damaged the detachable crash structures. https://adamcooperf1.com/2016/06/03/new ... aco-shunt/

Meanwhile, Arrivabene has announced that Ferrari will be bringing an upgraded engine - with the rumours indicating that the turbocharger will be modified to address Ferrari's early season reliability issues - for this race.

However, the team are still negotiating with the FIA over whether the changes can be introduced on reliability ground, or if Ferrari will need to expend some of their development tokens in order to introduce the new parts, as Renault did when they introduced their new engine in Monaco (when they spent 3 tokens, leaving them with 21 for the rest of the season). Given Ferrari have just 6 tokens for the remainder of this year, having to spend tokens on their turbocharger upgrade now could have a major impact - I imagine that they will be working furiously to persuade the FIA that they don't need to spend tokens. http://www.f1technical.net/news/20357

[AndreaModa]

The tyre allocation means that every driver has to use softs during the race. Each team has, as you can see, at least two soft sets.

So for example US/SS/US is not allowed this time.

Which is a shame in a way, since I suspect that the race strategies will then boil down to US-S for the top 10 and S-US for those outside it - only Haas might try going for two stints on the US tyres, given that they made a similar strategy work in Bahrain.

They have to get rid of the mandatory tyre usage rules. We finally have the ability to mix the strategies up and the teams are hobbled by being forced to use a certain tyre. Completely pointless.

[WeirdKerr]

The tyre allocation means that every driver has to use softs during the race. Each team has, as you can see, at least two soft sets.

So for example US/SS/US is not allowed this time.

Which is a shame in a way, since I suspect that the race strategies will then boil down to US-S for the top 10 and S-US for those outside it - only Haas might try going for two stints on the US tyres, given that they made a similar strategy work in Bahrain.

They have to get rid of the mandatory tyre usage rules. We finally have the ability to mix the strategies up and the teams are hobbled by being forced to use a certain tyre. Completely pointless.

I for one would love to see the ability to use 2 different compounds on the car at one time say Softs on the front and Medium on the rears.....

[Ataxia]

I for one would love to see the ability to use 2 different compounds on the car at one time say Softs on the front and Medium on the rears.....

Williams gave that a go at Spa last year, I believe...

[WeirdKerr]

I for one would love to see the ability to use 2 different compounds on the car at one time say Softs on the front and Medium on the rears.....

Williams gave that a go at Spa last year, I believe...

lol yeah,
it was done a lot in the mid 80s .......

[FullMetalJack]

The tyre allocation means that every driver has to use softs during the race. Each team has, as you can see, at least two soft sets.

So for example US/SS/US is not allowed this time.

Which is a shame in a way, since I suspect that the race strategies will then boil down to US-S for the top 10 and S-US for those outside it - only Haas might try going for two stints on the US tyres, given that they made a similar strategy work in Bahrain.

They have to get rid of the mandatory tyre usage rules. We finally have the ability to mix the strategies up and the teams are hobbled by being forced to use a certain tyre. Completely pointless.

Couldn't agree more. Give the teams more freedom with tyre strategies, teams may take big gambles with less conventional strategies.

The fact that there's more freedom than before has spiced up the action already this year, why not go the whole way?

[CoopsII]

I won't be watching, it's on past my bedtime on Sunday.

[WeirdKerr]

Watching FP2 they seem o be a few drivers flirting with the wall of champions.... don't think anyone has hit it quite yet though

[lance_rambert]

Welp. Sainz is the Wall of Champion's first victim this weekend.

[johnston21]

Funny, Rosberg wasn't wearing a (Merc) cap during the post-Qualy interview.

[Paul Hayes]

Nice bit of Jenson Button-weather in prospect today.

Come on, let's have one last great day!

[Barbazza]

The Sky F1 commentary is now so far beyond a joke that it's laughable. Not until the replay did they even acknowledge that the Mercedes had touched. Yeah, of course they did dum-dums - when Lewis shoved Nico off the bloody road! Farcical.

[Paul Hayes]

Bugger. I jinxed Jenson!

[Francis23]

The Sky F1 commentary is now so far beyond a joke that it's laughable. Not until the replay did they even acknowledge that the Mercedes had touched. Yeah, of course they did dum-dums - when Lewis shoved Nico off the bloody road! Farcical.

In fairness Lewis was just holding the inside line, up to Nico to yield there

[Barbazza]

Most exciting bit of the race - Gutierrez evoking the spirit of Deletraz by holding up 2 different cars then immediately weaving around. Well done, sir.

Sky F1 commentary continues to be utterly terrible. Crofty claiming that Nico holds the record for youngest person with a fastest lap, at Bahrain in....2016. Erm...

As for Di Resta, god almighty, it's almost as bad as having to listen to Jackie Stewart. Almost.

[Barbazza]

Well, that was tedious. More bias at the end - obviously that was instantly Rosberg's mistake, not possibly that his brakes or tyres were bathplug or anything like that. Seriously thinking of cancelling their stupid, overpriced crap channel.

The ONLY thing worth cheering - Bottas on the podium. Oh, and the aforementioned Gutierrez silliness.

[Barbazza]

Hamilton quoting Ali. FFS - you're not worthy to lick his boots Lewis.

[Paul Hayes]

Oh dear, a disappointing race on the whole - the hoped-for rain never turned up!

[mario]

The Sky F1 commentary is now so far beyond a joke that it's laughable. Not until the replay did they even acknowledge that the Mercedes had touched. Yeah, of course they did dum-dums - when Lewis shoved Nico off the bloody road! Farcical.

In fairness Lewis was just holding the inside line, up to Nico to yield there

Equally, later in the race Verstappen squeezed Rosberg pretty hard into Turn 1 as well - to be honest, compared to previous seasons, what Hamilton did there was no worse than what most other drivers do at the start.

[lance_rambert]

Damn it, Ferrari. That Alan Gustafson-tier screwup with the VSC sure helped your upgrades, didn't it?

I'm probably totally wrong about that. I just didn't want another Merc to win that, especially Lewis.

[andrew]

Did anyone see where Rosberg passed hulkenburg earlier in the race as my sky box lost signal due to a storm

[Barbazza]

Equally, later in the race Verstappen squeezed Rosberg pretty hard into Turn 1 as well - to be honest, compared to previous seasons, what Hamilton did there was no worse than what most other drivers do at the start.

I don't care if I'm on my own here, I've just seen it again and the wheel banging goes on before they are starting to turn in on the corner. Not convinced, sorry, 'understeer' or not. And hilarious that Nico swore in his interview (with Sky as usual being really jumpy about language - it's after the watershed now guys!!)

[Dj_bereta]

I'm wondering why the stewards didn't investigate Hamilton for forcing Rosberg off the track after the turn 1 and I say again, Rosberg was "too nice" in giving his position to Hamilton in Monaco. Now, Hamilton threw him off the track in return. Also, no investigation about Magnussen and Nasr contact (although I feel Nasr closed the door, giving no room for Magnussen).

Average race, but understandable for a one race stop. Pirelli tyres are too hard for this track.

[andrew]

I'm wondering why the stewards didn't investigate Hamilton for forcing Rosberg off the track after the turn 1 and I say again, Rosberg was "too nice" in giving his position to Hamilton in Monaco. Now, Hamilton threw him off the track in return. Also, no investigation about Magnussen and Nasr contact (although I feel Nasr closed the door, giving no room for Magnussen).

Average race, but understandable for a one race stop. Pirelli tyres are too hard for this track.

They don't tend to investigate first lap incidents, I am slightly suprised Grosjean wasn't invested for holding Vettel up for an entire lap passing around 5 blue flags

[mario]

Damn it, Ferrari. That Alan Gustafson-tier screwup with the VSC sure helped your upgrades, didn't it?

To be fair, I expect Ferrari were slightly cautious given that they were having issues with front tyre graining in the practise sessions when they simulated their race runs.

They might have thought that they were going to struggle on that front and might not be able to eke out 45-50 laps on the soft tyres, hence the decision to gamble on a two stop strategy - equally, given that the two stop was only fractionally slower on paper and the VSC would have actually given Vettel an advantage (since Hamilton could not go at full speed on the track), they might have decided it was worth the gamble.

It also has to be said that Vettel did have some very poor laps too - we saw him overshooting the last chicane several times (I think at least three times), and he also locked his brakes and ran wide into Turn 10 more than once too. He lost quite a bit of time through those errors - I'd say probably in the order of around 3-4s at least - so Vettel probably should have been a lot closer to Hamilton than he eventually finished.

I'm wondering why the stewards didn't investigate Hamilton for forcing Rosberg off the track after the turn 1 and I say again, Rosberg was "too nice" in giving his position to Hamilton in Monaco. Now, Hamilton threw him off the track in return. Also, no investigation about Magnussen and Nasr contact (although I feel Nasr closed the door, giving no room for Magnussen).

Average race, but understandable for a one race stop. Pirelli tyres are too hard for this track.

They don't tend to investigate first lap incidents, I am slightly suprised Grosjean wasn't invested for holding Vettel up for an entire lap passing around 5 blue flags

As you say, they tend to give the drivers more leeway on the first lap given that they are in much closer proximity and therefore the risk of collisions are higher. That said, I do agree that I am a little surprised that the Nasr-Magnussen clash wasn't investigated at all, even if just to declare it a racing incident.

I'd agree that Grosjean was holding Vettel up quite badly there though - I can see why Vettel was complaining over the radio, and I also agree that, given it was quite evident from the external cameras, it is a little surprising that Grosjean got away with that one.

[Samster]

First corner and I'm already pissed off beyond belief. Just how many times is Lewis going to get away with just shoving people off the track. Remember how Sainz was penalized for alot less in Russia? 9 laps into the C4 highlights and I'm already considering just switching off.

[Neno]

Rosberg should have crashed hamilton in the first turn,.

I don't like F1 drivers being so aggressive these days, like verstappen defense vs Rosberg too.

And I don't like Rosberg, in the past, he did the same to others drivers but these banzai defense have to stop

[Miguel98]

One thing I have to say: what the bathplugg FIA? What are these tyres you told Pirelli to built?

Not just they have more grip than the SS, they also last longer it seems.

[mario]

One thing I have to say: what the bathplugg FIA? What are these tyres you told Pirelli to built?

Not just they have more grip than the SS, they also last longer it seems.

The thing is, the two races where we have seen those tyres being used saw unusual circumstances which helped eke out their lifespan.

In Monaco, asides from the fact that the tarmac is not especially abrasive, the cold and damp track surface meant that the drivers were running much slower lap times than normal, significantly reducing the effect of thermal degradation. Similarly, Montreal also saw unusually cold track temperatures during the race - about 21ºC during the race, whereas the practise sessions saw temperatures over 35ºC - and the circuit also has an unusually smooth microfabric.

In both of those races, the unusually cool ambient conditions should have helped reduce the risk of thermally induced degradation, which tends to be the more dominant factor in performance loss than physical wear for these tyres.

Asides from that, there are also circuit specific conditions - Monaco is a circuit where, as Hamilton demonstrated, it is possible to drive at a relatively slow speed and nurse the tyres whilst still keeping an attacking driver behind who, by contrast, is having to suffer from the turbulent wake of the leading car.

In the current era, Montreal is different because it is one of the few circuits where the performance of the cars is more strongly governed by the need to save fuel and to manage brake wear, whereas tyre wear is less of an issue. In that scenario, the drivers are probably not pushing hard enough to generate a more noticeable performance delta between the two tyres - the fuel penalty effect is, by contrast, far more noticeable.

We might possibly see the ultraosft tyre make an appearance in Hungary this year - if it does, then I suspect that we might see a more noticeable offset in lifespan and performance given that the tarmac surface is more abrasive, track temperatures are normally much higher and fuel consumption is less critical.

[AustralianStig]

Rosberg should have crashed hamilton in the first turn,.

I don't like F1 drivers being so aggressive these days, like verstappen defense vs Rosberg too.

And I don't like Rosberg, in the past, he did the same to others drivers but these banzai defense have to stop

You don't like drivers being aggressive, yet you think Rosberg should have crashed into Hamilton?

What was wrong with Verstappen's defence? Are you seriously suggesting drivers shouldn't be allowed to fight for position? That has been one of the most entertaining aspects of this year's racing.

[Neno]

I love fair fights (best example Arnoux vs Villeneuve), not aggressive blocking.

Of course you can bloc,k it is a part of racing but now the drivers are way too much aggressive they change line just when the other driver is overtaking etc...

Rosberg was alongside Hamilton had two choices :
- don't move => crash, no point lost vs hamilton, hamilton's fault
- go out and finish 5th or 6th and lose points like he did.

For verstappen, it is in some way brilliant defense within the rules: he put his car in the middle of the track going slightly from right to left depending on Rosberg moves. As a result you don't see him moving much but he moves and it is impossible to pass him