Hispania Racing Team (former Campos) News

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 02 Mar 2010, 14:14

There are now news emerging that the team will be renamed into "Hispania Racing", nothing on reliable sites yet though.

Jynister · Post by **Jynister** » 02 Mar 2010, 17:07

Wow thats....an awful name for a racing team.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 02 Mar 2010, 18:07

Strangely I think that has automotive connections...wasn't there a company called that which built limos - or parts of them for Rolls Royce?

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 02 Mar 2010, 18:32

Why use a name for "Spain" that isn't used in any country of the world except Vatican City?!

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 02 Mar 2010, 18:42

kostas22 wrote:Strangely I think that has automotive connections...wasn't there a company called that which built limos - or parts of them for Rolls Royce?

You're probably thinking of Hispano-Suiza.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 02 Mar 2010, 19:42

Pieman wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Strangely I think that has automotive connections...wasn't there a company called that which built limos - or parts of them for Rolls Royce?

You're probably thinking of Hispano-Suiza.

Must be.

/facepalm

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 03 Mar 2010, 10:04

Mister Fungus wrote:There are now news emerging that the team will be renamed into "Hispania Racing", nothing on reliable sites yet though.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81821
Has any other F1 team ever been named after a medical practice for middle aged women? (Hormone Replacement Therapy...)

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 03 Mar 2010, 10:10

Hah.

No giggling at the back.

Good decision to retain Lopez as reserve. If they need his dosh they can replace Senna or Chandhok.

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 03 Mar 2010, 10:14

So the drivers are sorted- the engines have arrived- the finances are fixed....

But can they test in time, will the chassis and spare parts be ready..is the infrastructure in place?

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 03 Mar 2010, 11:30

noisebox wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81821
Has any other F1 team ever been named after a medical practice for middle aged women? (Hormone Replacement Therapy...)

Also Croatian national television. :mrgreen:

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 03 Mar 2010, 11:34

Mister Fungus wrote:
noisebox wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81821
Has any other F1 team ever been named after a medical practice for middle aged women? (Hormone Replacement Therapy...)

Also Croatian national television.

Get it right, my friends.

For us Aussies, HRT means one thing, and one thing only ... the mighty HOLDEN RACING TEAM!!!

OK, so we've just lost the chance to have the first same-named reject driver and reject team

, but having it called HRT instead is not half-bad.

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 03 Mar 2010, 11:40

Also a whole host of other things, most importantly "the average length of time that a soluble compound remains in a constructed reactor" (Hydraulic retention time).
Edit (redundant): And Tom Walkinshaw's V8 Supercars racing team.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Mar 2010, 11:47

How many sports could have Virgins competing against Hormone Replacement Therapy competitors?

Kobacrashi · Post by **Kobacrashi** » 03 Mar 2010, 12:28

Could they have chosen a better name?

Listen to this and make up your mind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh0iuCPDslY

I hope they don't use their initials too often, or is it some weird kind of sponsorship.

Kobacrashi · Post by **Kobacrashi** » 03 Mar 2010, 12:32

Suppose this is also useful!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 547064.stm

LucaPacchiarini · Post by **LucaPacchiarini** » 03 Mar 2010, 12:59

taken from the Autosport forum:

"And the Virgin takes HRT and assumes the Lotus position"

Post by **mario** » 03 Mar 2010, 13:59

To be honest, at best the name makes the team sound like a supplier, not a racing team, and at worst the name conjures up something very different to F1...
It also shows that Adrian Campos has been fully kicked out, and that (presumably) Carabante is determined to make his mark on the team as soon as possible (by slapping the name of his company all over it).
To a certain extent, the ex-Campos team are very lucky that they are being bailed out, albeit at the price of having to hand over control to somebody else. Here is an article from back on the 22nd Feb, showing what a mess the team was in about 1 and a half weeks ago. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 72,00.html?
After all, this quote from Kolles is pretty damning:

Kolles wrote:Revealing the true extent of the team's lack of preparedness, Kolles said: "My role is to clean up the chaos! They had basically nothing, only chaos.
"The only department which basically exists is a software department, with eight guys who never saw an F1 car in their lives, and who are doing software simulation programmes.Then there are two or three engineers with F1 experience, and that's it. The real story is a crazy story, you understand."

From the sounds of things, even USF1 had more resources - Campos was able to find somebody with cash to keep the team going, albeit at the price of being taken over. Yet, you have to wonder how they even managed to make it this far - and even though the team has been saved for now, will they be able to keep the money coming in?
Moreover, what will the car be like? Bahrein is a harsh test for the engines, due to the heat and sand, and also on the brakes, so I wouldn't be surprised if they DNF there, and the first few races will be like extended shakedown sessions for them. The only question is will they be able to make up some ground after that?

BigG80 · Post by **BigG80** » 03 Mar 2010, 14:08

dr-baker wrote:How many sports could have Virgins competing against Hos?

Fixed.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 03 Mar 2010, 14:36

mario wrote:From the sounds of things, even USF1 had more resources - Campos was able to find somebody with cash to keep the team going, albeit at the price of being taken over. Yet, you have to wonder how they even managed to make it this far - and even though the team has been saved for now, will they be able to keep the money coming in?
Moreover, what will the car be like? Bahrein is a harsh test for the engines, due to the heat and sand, and also on the brakes, so I wouldn't be surprised if they DNF there, and the first few races will be like extended shakedown sessions for them. The only question is will they be able to make up some ground after that?

Goodness me... well, I suppose it's normal they'd have a smaller outfit than everyone else, considering they outsource their chassis and engine, but that is a bit of a surprise.

Question: who is developing their gearbox?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 03 Mar 2010, 14:45

I have a gut feeling-this team taking F1 as a business, as an invest for the future. I have a gut feeling-this team taking an underprepared team with a desperately slow car that will make the Pacific PR01 look like the McLaren MP4/4. I have a gut feeling-the team being sold before the season ending. I have a gut feeling-no one will care about, not even the Whole Spanish Press. Yes, I have too many gut feelings!

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 03 Mar 2010, 14:56

At least with a name like Hispania they're keeping towards their "Hispanic" status, however, the initials decieve me, there is a certain Australian team who would want to ask this team a favour and not use it?

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 03 Mar 2010, 15:10

I guess I'll keep calling them Campos for the time being.

Colin Kolles has a history of running teams whose names are just initials ... MF1 that is.
At least, the cars have got a decent name.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 03 Mar 2010, 16:55

Midland: The Sequel, coming to a racetrack near you. People who don't want to own an F1 team, who own an F1 team.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 03 Mar 2010, 17:01

HRT- Midland, with none of their pace and not as interesting a colorscheme (presumably!)

Post by **mario** » 03 Mar 2010, 17:17

CarlosFerreira wrote:
mario wrote:From the sounds of things, even USF1 had more resources - Campos was able to find somebody with cash to keep the team going, albeit at the price of being taken over. Yet, you have to wonder how they even managed to make it this far - and even though the team has been saved for now, will they be able to keep the money coming in?
Moreover, what will the car be like? Bahrein is a harsh test for the engines, due to the heat and sand, and also on the brakes, so I wouldn't be surprised if they DNF there, and the first few races will be like extended shakedown sessions for them. The only question is will they be able to make up some ground after that?

Goodness me... well, I suppose it's normal they'd have a smaller outfit than everyone else, considering they outsource their chassis and engine, but that is a bit of a surprise.

Question: who is developing their gearbox?

From what I understand, they are using the standard drivetrain, supplied by Xtrac (as part of the Cosworth engine package). Both Lotus and Virgin Racing are using the same standard gearbox, although I believe that the VR-01 used a custom gearbox housing (with standard internals), whilst the T127 uses entirely stock parts.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 03 Mar 2010, 17:21

mario wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
mario wrote:From the sounds of things, even USF1 had more resources - Campos was able to find somebody with cash to keep the team going, albeit at the price of being taken over. Yet, you have to wonder how they even managed to make it this far - and even though the team has been saved for now, will they be able to keep the money coming in?
Moreover, what will the car be like? Bahrein is a harsh test for the engines, due to the heat and sand, and also on the brakes, so I wouldn't be surprised if they DNF there, and the first few races will be like extended shakedown sessions for them. The only question is will they be able to make up some ground after that?

Goodness me... well, I suppose it's normal they'd have a smaller outfit than everyone else, considering they outsource their chassis and engine, but that is a bit of a surprise.

Question: who is developing their gearbox?

From what I understand, they are using the standard drivetrain, supplied by Xtrac (as part of the Cosworth engine package). Both Lotus and Virgin Racing are using the same standard gearbox, although I believe that the VR-01 used a custom gearbox housing (with standard internals), whilst the T127 uses entirely stock parts.

Ah, I thought the teams had to develop their own clunker. Man, the level of standardization in terms of the oily bits and other gubbins is strange these days - the most expensive bits of the cars are equal for all, bring no competitive advantage and the viewers get no glimpse. Hmmm...

coops · Post by **coops** » 03 Mar 2010, 17:23

Moderator! MODERATOR!! Theres some sort of Spambot trying to flog its HRT tablets here.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 03 Mar 2010, 17:47

eytl wrote:For us Aussies, HRT means one thing, and one thing only ... the mighty HOLDEN RACING TEAM!!!

Does that make you the motorsport equivalent of a bisexual then? Because I can see a Ford Falcon Ute as your avatar...what a sh*tbox.

Post by **mario** » 03 Mar 2010, 21:15

CarlosFerreira wrote: Ah, I thought the teams had to develop their own clunker. Man, the level of standardization in terms of the oily bits and other gubbins is strange these days - the most expensive bits of the cars are equal for all, bring no competitive advantage and the viewers get no glimpse. Hmmm...

You've also hit the nail on the head for the reason why they are using standard parts. The internal components are probably pretty similar for all teams (there is only so much modification that can go into layshaft gears and the clutch assembly), so there is probably little advantage to be gained there. Meanwhile, although you can find some weight savings, and increase the load bearing capacity of the casing, by going for a composite design, or a titanium case, that causes the cost and complexity to shoot right up (BAR spent years, and a lot of research and development in material properties, in order to make a composite titanium and carbon fibre casing, whilst Mclaren developed an entirely carbon fibre casing - even some of the established teams don't go to that extreme).

And for a start up team, burning money on an expensive casing which would only bring limited benefits when they are likely to find much more time in other areas is pointless - so going for the cheaper standard Xtrac box (which uses an aluminium casing) makes sense.
Besides, the other advantage in standardising designs is the fact that the parts are much more interchangeable - after all, Brawn managed to match a Mercedes FO 108W engine to a Honda RA107E gearbox, and got the two to work fairly well (ok, there were a few issues with maintaining oil flow to the geabox, since the lubrication system on the Honda engines worked a bit differently to the Mercedes unit). At a time when the FIA is worried about manufacturers abandoning the sport, making parts similar (so they can be changed for another manufacturer's reasonably easily) has a certain logic.

watka · Post by **watka** » 03 Mar 2010, 21:23

As a MotoGP fan also, HRT means Honda Racing Team to me. Hispania Racing Team can only dream of being anything like as mediocre as Honda Racing Team.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 03 Mar 2010, 21:48

aah i guess so though as a motoGP fan myself its more HRC that conjures honda in my mind, the Honda Racing Corporation. Iconic name.

As for HRT, I quite like the name, reminds me of other abbreviated names like AGS, etc etc

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 04 Mar 2010, 00:55

Oh God no... *runs away* <_<

I'll just call them Hispania, no, wait, better yet, I'll just call them Dallara.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 04 Mar 2010, 18:31

Waris wrote:Oh God no... *runs away* <_<

I'll just call them Hispania, no, wait, better yet, I'll just call them Dallara.

HRT Dallara Escudería Hispania?

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 04 Mar 2010, 20:37

Phoenix wrote:
Waris wrote:Oh God no... *runs away* <_<

I'll just call them Hispania, no, wait, better yet, I'll just call them Dallara.

HRT Dallara Escudería Hispania?

DEH, now that would be a cool abbreviation...

Post by **mario** » 04 Mar 2010, 20:40

Looks like Kolles either knows something that we don't, or is about to end up with a lot of egg on his face:

Kolles wrote:"We have all tools in our hands to become the most successful new team in the F1 paddock this year."

Quote taken from this article http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81857
Now, as statements go, that is very provocative - after all, this is from a team which hasn't even fired it's engine up, yet alone actually taken the car to a track and driven it round for a few laps.
But on a serious note, does he really believe that he can beat both the Lotus and Virgin Racing entries, bearing in mind that both of the other entries have proven that their cars work and have both got upgrades in the pipeline (both are bringing new bits to Bahrein, and Lotus is currently working on its Barcelona package for the European leg of the world championship)? Somehow, I doubt that very much - where's the publiciocrap meter when you need it?

pher38 · Post by **pher38** » 04 Mar 2010, 20:44

http://www.pitpass.com/images/galleries ... t_s005.jpg

http://www.pitpass.com/images/galleries ... t_s003.jpg

The new car has been released!!!! Is it me or does the new HRT Dallara look suspiciously like the car Wirth Research produced for Virgin??

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 04 Mar 2010, 21:04

Also, the nose looks like Dallara made use of their eight year long/old Indycar experience.

Post by **mario** » 04 Mar 2010, 21:19

I think that I shall repeat what I said about the appearance of the car over in the "2010 Car Launches" thread - and in particular, where I reckon that they got a lot of their ideas from.

It is certainly lacking sponsors by the looks of things, which is a bad sign, although at least they have actually managed to get a car ready.
That said, although the car itself looks alright, it is also a case of spotting where they borrowed inspiration from other cars. For example, the front end of the sidepods look very similar to last year's Brawn (and the back end are similar to the R30), the turning vane and bargeboard have come right off the RB5/RB6 and the wing mirrors are off the Ferrari F10. The nose looks like most RB5/RB6 copy cats this year, and the air intake is off the RB6. Finally, the small fin off the back of the engine cover looks like it came off the Mercedes W01, and the rear wing off the Lotus T127.

Hardly anything on this car looks original (apart from the front wing - and even then, I'm not sure if it is actually legal as it stands) - probably the best thing that this team has is the driver line up.

RejectSteve · Post by **RejectSteve** » 05 Mar 2010, 05:43

eytl wrote:For us Aussies, HRT means one thing, and one thing only ... the mighty HOLDEN RACING TEAM!!!

That's what first came to my mind too.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Mar 2010, 05:51

RejectSteve wrote:
eytl wrote:For us Aussies, HRT means one thing, and one thing only ... the mighty HOLDEN RACING TEAM!!!

That's what first came to my mind too.

Same... I almost believed that Tom Walkinshaw was back on the grid as a result :lol: