CarlosFerreira wrote:1-2 finish. Consistent running, survived the teething problems which threw others down the wayside. Are you kidding?
Nope, not kidding. I honestly think Ferrari have lost the essence of what made them Ferrari, and that some time at the back would do them some good to remember where they came from.
I have an "unfit for public circumstances" opinion on what it means to be Ferrari. And, whatever that means, surely a teams that ends 1-2 in the race in a weekend where only Sebastian Vettel's talent menaced that result does not deserve reject of the race.
Captain Hammer wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:What happened to the "don't give it to the new teams" thing?
I said "don't give it to the new teams for being slow".
OK, OK. It's just that I like focusing on on-track action, to be honest.
Captain Hammer wrote:Nope, not kidding. I honestly think Ferrari have lost the essence of what made them Ferrari, and that some time at the back would do them some good to remember where they came from.
Captain Hammer wrote:Nope, not kidding. I honestly think Ferrari have lost the essence of what made them Ferrari, and that some time at the back would do them some good to remember where they came from.
But to award ROTY to Ferrari for this is surely to entirely miss what the award is all about. Much as I don't like Ferrari myself, Ferrari did not do anything rejectful this weekend and there are surely others more worthy of the award. After all, that's why we're not giving it to the new teams "just because they're slow", isn't it?
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
I know we aren't giving ROTR to the new teams or their drivers but an honroary mention has to go to Heiki Kovalainen for one moment in the race. He was running ahead of Hulkenberg I think because he had made an early stop. When the leaders came round to lap Kovalainen he pulled to one side and let them through. About 1 or 2 turns later Hulkenberg caught up and Kovalainen moved out of the way thinking he was being lapped. By the time he realised it was for position it was too late and the position was lost.
Tealy wrote:I know we aren't giving ROTR to the new teams or their drivers but an honroary mention has to go to Heiki Kovalainen for one moment in the race. He was running ahead of Hulkenberg I think because he had made an early stop. When the leaders came round to lap Kovalainen he pulled to one side and let them through. About 1 or 2 turns later Hulkenberg caught up and Kovalainen moved out of the way thinking he was being lapped. By the time he realised it was for position it was too late and the position was lost.
I had forgotten about that but now I remember. Best nomination yet!
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Captain Hammer wrote:Nope, not kidding. I honestly think Ferrari have lost the essence of what made them Ferrari, and that some time at the back would do them some good to remember where they came from.
Why? Because 2009 wasn't bad enough for them?
Go back and read the thread.
mario wrote:I'm wondering what the hell has been going on in this thread [...] it's turned into a bizarre detour into mythical flying horses and the sort of search engine results that CoopsII is going to have a very hard time explaining ...
Captain Hammer wrote:Nope, not kidding. I honestly think Ferrari have lost the essence of what made them Ferrari, and that some time at the back would do them some good to remember where they came from.
Why don't we have a seaon where all teams must run to the rules as they were the year they entered the sport? That would put the red cars firmly at the back and secure Lotus another title!
"will you stop him playing tennis then?", referring to Montoya's famous shoulder injury, to which Whitmarsh replied "well, it's very difficult to play tennis on a motorbike"
Captain Hammer wrote:OK, OK. It's just that I like focusing on on-track action, to be honest.
I must have blinked, was there any action on the track? The highlight of the race for me was the Virgin v Lotus fight. (Until the Virgin broke down a lap later).
The race highlights are a broken exhaust and tank full of oil. The reject of Bahrain was the Bahrain Grand Prix.
As i looked at my naked body in the mirror, i thought to myself, "I'm going to get thrown out of Ikea any minute.".
For me I have to say that Sauber's performance was the most rejectful in the race but there are others.
Button - I'm a fan but he didn't seem able to do anything about Schumacher ahead plus afterwards he said he was conserving his tyres. Maybe too much? Hopefully we won't see that in the following races. The tyres seem durable so lets see everyone pushing like crazy.
Webber - Really should have been able to do a lot more with his car unless he had some problem that we've not heard about?
Hulkenberg - Binned it off the road and struggled to get back past the Lotii and Virgins while they were running. In fact I noticed one car hanging him up to dry in Turn 1 and it was only the superior speed of the Williams that got him past in Turns 2 and 3. The Hulk is meant to be the great new wunderkind and he was pretty rubbish yesterday I think.
And finally I have to say that it is ridiculous to say Ferrari are ROTR. The situation with Honda/Brawn was completely different.
And also stop changing the reasons we cannot nominate the new teams. If people want to nominate them for being the same speed of a GP2 car they can. Or if they want to nominate them for the cars being horribly unreliable and for bits falling off, they can do that too.
BigG80 wrote:And finally I have to say that it is ridiculous to say Ferrari are ROTR. The situation with Honda/Brawn was completely different.
And also stop changing the reasons we cannot nominate the new teams. If people want to nominate them for being the same speed of a GP2 car they can. Or if they want to nominate them for the cars being horribly unreliable and for bits falling off, they can do that too.
Those two points are the reason why I nominate Captain Hammer for ROTROTRN!
BigG80 wrote:Hulkenberg - Binned it off the road and struggled to get back past the Lotii and Virgins while they were running. In fact I noticed one car hanging him up to dry in Turn 1 and it was only the superior speed of the Williams that got him past in Turns 2 and 3. The Hulk is meant to be the great new wunderkind and he was pretty rubbish yesterday I think.
Hulkenberg definitely gets the "need some fresh underwear award" for the BahrainGP, but was he rejectful? Don't think so, not in his first F1 race ever. As I mentioned elsewhere, he may not have taken the race by storm, but he took a bollard by storm; and, as I mentioned when Hamilton binned it in Monza last year, I believe someone who crashes because he is being aggressive shouldn't really get the ROTR award.
BigG80 wrote:Hulkenberg - Binned it off the road and struggled to get back past the Lotii and Virgins while they were running. In fact I noticed one car hanging him up to dry in Turn 1 and it was only the superior speed of the Williams that got him past in Turns 2 and 3. The Hulk is meant to be the great new wunderkind and he was pretty rubbish yesterday I think.
Hulkenberg definitely gets the "need some fresh underwear award" for the BahrainGP, but was he rejectful? Don't think so, not in his first F1 race ever. As I mentioned elsewhere, he may not have taken the race by storm, but he took a bollard by storm; and, as I mentioned when Hamilton binned it in Monza last year, I believe someone who crashes because he is being aggressive shouldn't really get the ROTR award.
I accept that binning it doesn't make him ROTR and also agree that it was his first Grand Prix so maybe we should be easier on him but this is someone who we have been told is the absolute dogs danglies of a driver with a junior record more impressive than Hamilton. That he made a mistake and threw it off the road is ok but I just found his overall performance to be somewhat disappointing.
And the fact that he made a meal out of getting past Kovalainen who isn't exactly reknowned for his derring do and passing (barring Turkey 2008) skills, just meant he didn't live up to the hype for me.
I'm not passing judgement on him just yet though. I have high hopes for him and really want him to do well.
New Rules: Failed to put more overtakes in first race. 08 and 09 first races were much more, much more competitive. I liked much more IRL Race in Brazil Streets than this race in bahrain.
noisebox wrote:Why don't we have a seaon where all teams must run to the rules as they were the year they entered the sport? That would put the red cars firmly at the back and secure Lotus another title!
A car with modern tech to the 1950 rules would be some kind of 1500hp, 5 tons of downforce monster
I coined the term "Lewisteria". The irony is that I actually quite like Lewis Hamilton.
All the drivers You're allowed to complain about difficulty in overtaking when the tyres coming off the car are grainy, blistered, half-delaminated husks of their former selves. When the pit stop cascade started, someone could have thrashed the crud out of what was left of their tyres for two laps in the knowledge they were coming off soon, but no - everyone pits at the same time with barely even scrubbed tyres coming off the cars. 6 seconds between qually and race pace? That's not the fault of the tyres, it's the fault of overconservative drivers. They'd better learn soon.
I coined the term "Lewisteria". The irony is that I actually quite like Lewis Hamilton.
Jordan192 wrote:All the drivers You're allowed to complain about difficulty in overtaking when the tyres coming off the car are grainy, blistered, half-delaminated husks of their former selves. When the pit stop cascade started, someone could have thrashed the crud out of what was left of their tyres for two laps in the knowledge they were coming off soon, but no - everyone pits at the same time with barely even scrubbed tyres coming off the cars. 6 seconds between qually and race pace? That's not the fault of the tyres, it's the fault of overconservative drivers. They'd better learn soon.
Geez, give them a break. For most of them, this was their first race with rules without refuelling. They'll learn over the course of the season, and by the middle of the season we might have drivers actually doing what you suggest.
BigG80 wrote:I accept that binning it doesn't make him ROTR and also agree that it was his first Grand Prix so maybe we should be easier on him but this is someone who we have been told is the absolute dogs danglies of a driver with a junior record more impressive than Hamilton. That he made a mistake and threw it off the road is ok but I just found his overall performance to be somewhat disappointing.
And the fact that he made a meal out of getting past Kovalainen who isn't exactly reknowned for his derring do and passing (barring Turkey 2008) skills, just meant he didn't live up to the hype for me.
I'm not passing judgement on him just yet though. I have high hopes for him and really want him to do well.
Oh yeah, I agree. I was quite nonplussed by Hulkenberg's performance in qualy and in the race. Effectively, he ended up last, only beating the Lotii. I am also not buying Chandhok's "I found a bump on my 5th lap". Well, since it's only your first lap, go slower fer Chrissakes! But I can't hold it against either of them, really.
Waris wrote:Geez, give them a break. For most of them, this was their first race with rules without refuelling. They'll learn over the course of the season, and by the middle of the season we might have drivers actually doing what you suggest.
I would say fair enough, if Whitmarsh et al weren't complaining about the rules before they've had a chance to get used to them. It may also be that I've given this rant in person 4 times today, with (unintentionally) decreasing politeness each time, and this was the 5th, and possibly a little over-the-top. I stand by the point though, you can't say "tyre management was easy" when the tyres coming off aren't even close to the limit - because tyre management is not the same thing as tyre preservation.
I coined the term "Lewisteria". The irony is that I actually quite like Lewis Hamilton.
Renault engine, showing signs of unreliability from the first corner with an smokey Webber and finally collapsing on Vettel's car ruining his race, maybe Red Bull will get a Lada Engine for Australia
HRT, especially after Senna claimed they should be fastest of the rookies.
There are some very good reasons why they were slow and unreliable, so its more a "Reject of the pre season" award, but since this is the first we've seen of them, I think its appropriate.
"Well we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past and we don't seem to be getting one!" - James Hunt, Monaco 1982
Jordan192 wrote:you can't say "tyre management was easy" when the tyres coming off aren't even close to the limit - because tyre management is not the same thing as tyre preservation.
This is one of the best points which has been made about the race by anyone, anywhere.
kostas22 wrote:I also nominate Captain Hammer for making the worst and most biased ROTR nominations I've ever seen.
You can't nominate forum members. It just leaves you wide open to flame wars. After all, I could just as easily nominate you for not checking your facts and just printing the first thing you heard about Renault.
mario wrote:I'm wondering what the hell has been going on in this thread [...] it's turned into a bizarre detour into mythical flying horses and the sort of search engine results that CoopsII is going to have a very hard time explaining ...
Captain Hammer wrote:You can't nominate forum members.
Why don't you go ahead and list all the things we "can't nominate"? That way we can just ignore the whole thing at once rather then wait to ignore each of your pronouncements as they come.
kostas22 wrote:I also nominate Captain Hammer for making the worst and most biased ROTR nominations I've ever seen.
You can't nominate forum members. It just leaves you wide open to flame wars. After all, I could just as easily nominate you for not checking your facts and just printing the first thing you heard about Renault.
And I could nominate you again for jumping to conclusions. Though you had a point about flame wars, because Autosport seems to have turned you into a douchebag lately (thanks for teaching me that word thehemogoblin...)
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kostas22 wrote:I also nominate Captain Hammer for making the worst and most biased ROTR nominations I've ever seen.
You can't nominate forum members. It just leaves you wide open to flame wars. After all, I could just as easily nominate you for not checking your facts and just printing the first thing you heard about Renault.
Please remember that just because you started the thread does not mean you are in charge.
However, I do agree that nominating forum members in spite is not okay. Doing it in jest is acceptable, but that wasn't what Kostas was going for.
We've been reading the the thread lately and found, with some serious concern, a couple of facts that we, in the deepest of our hearts, feel that needs clarifying:
a) We, as separated entities and as a whole, approve that Hispania Racing Team should not be nominated. Not that we share the motives or determinations. In fact, we believe seriously that HRT must not be nominated since it's a spanish team, and that's relevant and coherent with our master plan.
b) All things considered, we strongly encourage this kind of attitudes toward spanish physical or intellectual property. Proof, if anything else, that we are advancing inland in australian souls step by step.
c) Besides, we do feel well with dictators wannabes, authoritarian one dimensional modeled way of thinking and accusations against Fernando Alonso's team that would be useful as soon as needed. In this matter, we open our hearts to share that we feel, from previous experience gained while working with Mc Laren, that this kind of political tooling (i.e. extortion, media manipulation, and abusive distortion o reality) will be handy at the very second that on Practice 1 Massa stamps a better time than the avatar of all racers, the apex of virtue, the holy trinity of machine-god-driver, the incarnation of Fangio and Nuvolari, Charlesmagnus, Julius Caesar, Groucho Marx and the chin of Charles V, that is, Fernando Alonso.
d) All this argumentation about certain rights to post a ROTR, or the right of some specific person to manage this thread will head towards nothing. We, as separated entities and as a whole, firmly believes that this will be resolved by site authors. Both of them, whose will is now submissive to our influence, will decide to give the ROTR to USF1. Reason is, to everyone, simple since the most importance event along the weekend (aside from Fernando the apex of virtue and... welll, blah, blah, blah, first place): The obvious victory of our nation: Spain 2- USA 1. In your face, Peter Windsor! WE fielded TWO completed nosecones! Even more: coupled to TWO chassis!
Sincerely yours, all members of the Spanish Press.
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