1. Aston Martin. Looking more and more like the terrible outfit they were in early 2022.
2. Circuit de Catalunya. Please can we go somewhere else in Spain, the teams have so much data from this track that it always nullifies anything interesting from happening.
Honourable mention to Mastercard Visa Crypto App for a surprising lack of competitiveness, and Sauber for not achieving anything from their halfway decent qualifying session.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
RB VisaCashApp Elon Musk 420 bitcoin 69 Whatever it's called: Pure garbage. Riccy made a late charge to make them less miserable, but on the whole they were only faster than Williams.
Joking HM - The GPRejects Discord: For taking until now to realise that Crofty's had a lobotomy.
1. Aston Martin. If you want to upgrade the car try to show it won't slow it down. Once again added fat not muscle to car. Awful showing
2. Sergio Perez. Your teammate is winning races. You finish behind an Alpine. There has to be a performance clause somewhere. What are red bull gaining from keeping him in the seat. Okay it might keep Max happy but I suspect he would be happy with a teammate who finishes on the poduim nowhere near him than someone who comes 9th. Yes Gasly and Albon were poor at Red Bull as well but they were thrown in too early. Perez might be done altogether.
Hm RB. Awful race.
Hm Logan Sargeant. Did something else happen to him to finish 18 seconds behind 19th. That is Mazispin form.
Didn't Checo overtake Gas Leak on the last lap? Either him again, RB (where were they?) or the circuit (I'm actually pleased the race is moving to a street circuit in 2026) are all candidates.
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rachel1990 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 14:39
1. Aston Martin. If you want to upgrade the car try to show it won't slow it down. Once again added fat not muscle to car. Awful showing
2. Sergio Perez. Your teammate is winning races. You finish behind an Alpine. There has to be a performance clause somewhere. What are red bull gaining from keeping him in the seat. Okay it might keep Max happy but I suspect he would be happy with a teammate who finishes on the poduim nowhere near him than someone who comes 9th. Yes Gasly and Albon were poor at Red Bull as well but they were thrown in too early. Perez might be done altogether.
Hm RB. Awful race.
Hm Logan Sargeant. Did something else happen to him to finish 18 seconds behind 19th. That is Mazispin form.
I agree that, given Aston Martin have been bringing updates, you'd have expected them to at least hold ground, rather than seemingly slipping further back.
As for Perez, whilst you say that, Marko has said previously that Perez's marketability and the desire to keep Verstappen happy are why they prefer to keep him (I might be mistaken, but I believe Max has suggested he wouldn't want too competitive a driver alongside him at Red Bull).
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Williams, I guess – even worse than their usual performance, as even Albon couldn't do anything of note.
Pérez was unimpressive, but that's pretty much expected nowadays (in fact, I was positively surprised after the weak performance in the early parts to see him score any points at all)!
Ferrari - Remember when we all thought they were competitive? That was a fun 3 days. At least they have Le Mans.
Williams - Just abysmal. Legit the slowest car on the road and it's not even close. Why on Earth does anyone think Sainz wants to go there?
Checo - Dude, at least Irvine and Rubens and Bottas used to be up front.
Aston Martin - Graduating first in class from the "Haas School of Making the Car Worse through Updates."
Alpine - Solely for the off track drama of giving up their engine program (allegedly). Because we all saw how well an outsourced engine worked at Le Mans.....
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Wallio wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:33Alpine - Solely for the off track drama of giving up their engine program (allegedly). Because we all saw how well an outsourced engine worked at Le Mans.....
I am going to add a little aside here - haven't most of Renault's efforts as an engine manufacturer in Formula 1 has relied on outsourcing?
The EF1 was an internal project within Renault, but from 1983 onwards, the customer units that Renault sold were being built and prepared by Mecachrome. When Renault returned in the late 1980s with the return to normally aspirated engines, Mecachrome was brought in to assist with the development and manufacture of the engines, which is a role that Mecachrome still holds to this day (and also part of the reason why Mecachrome were tasked with developing an engine for the Alpine A424).
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
mario wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 20:40
I am going to add a little aside here - haven't most of Renault's efforts as an engine manufacturer in Formula 1 has relied on outsourcing?
The EF1 was an internal project within Renault, but from 1983 onwards, the customer units that Renault sold were being built and prepared by Mecachrome. When Renault returned in the late 1980s with the return to normally aspirated engines, Mecachrome was brought in to assist with the development and manufacture of the engines, which is a role that Mecachrome still holds to this day (and also part of the reason why Mecachrome were tasked with developing an engine for the Alpine A424).
Yes, but since they came back in the 2000s, we have had over 20 years of factory engines from France, even when there wasn't a factory Renault team itself. Plus they must have already be pretty far along on the new engine, do you just write that off?
It's also more proof (as if more is needed) that the FOM simply hates Andretti as they claim they only want factory engines (hence why GM can supposedly come in from 2028 on, until they move the goalposts again) but they haven't said a peep about this development from Renault.
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mario wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 20:40
I am going to add a little aside here - haven't most of Renault's efforts as an engine manufacturer in Formula 1 has relied on outsourcing?
The EF1 was an internal project within Renault, but from 1983 onwards, the customer units that Renault sold were being built and prepared by Mecachrome. When Renault returned in the late 1980s with the return to normally aspirated engines, Mecachrome was brought in to assist with the development and manufacture of the engines, which is a role that Mecachrome still holds to this day (and also part of the reason why Mecachrome were tasked with developing an engine for the Alpine A424).
Yes, but since they came back in the 2000s, we have had over 20 years of factory engines from France, even when there wasn't a factory Renault team itself. Plus they must have already be pretty far along on the new engine, do you just write that off?
It's also more proof (as if more is needed) that the FOM simply hates Andretti as they claim they only want factory engines (hence why GM can supposedly come in from 2028 on, until they move the goalposts again) but they haven't said a peep about this development from Renault.
It seems that, if it is under consideration, it would be one of the more extreme options that the team might opt for and I suspect it is less likely to happen.
That said, since you mention the Andretti's - if it were the case that Alpine did cut back as an engine supplier, it does also create a problem for Michael Andretti. His plans to enter relied on a bridging deal with Renault for engines whilst GM developed their own proposed unit, but that may no longer be a viable approach for him.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Har1MAS1415 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 15:19
1) Circuit de Catalunya: Hope Madrid will be better when the Spanish GP moves to there.
2) Perez: I think we all know why by now....
DHM: Max, I know he won, but he always seems to have something to moan about at the slightest hint of not being faster than everyone else.
Maybe I should add Alpine as a DHM for bringing back the supposed-to-be-banned Flavio Briatore...
It seems that, following Briatore's appeal to the Tribunal de Grande Instance, the FIA and Briatore came to an out of court settlement that meant he was allowed to return to Formula 1 from the 1st January 2013 onwards. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 616458.stm
That said, due to the competitor registration procedure for senior roles, such as the team manager, with the FIA, the FIA does still have the option to block him from taking up those roles by denying him a licence.
1. Williams - not a good day at all, 18th and 20th.
2. Oscar Piastri - his team-mate was battling for the win but Piastri had bad qualifying and made little progress in the race.
mario wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 06:46
That said, since you mention the Andretti's - if it were the case that Alpine did cut back as an engine supplier, it does also create a problem for Michael Andretti. His plans to enter relied on a bridging deal with Renault for engines whilst GM developed their own proposed unit, but that may no longer be a viable approach for him.
That plan is already dead. FOM ruled Andretti cannot enter without a factory engine, so its 2028 at the earliest (again, until they move the goalposts again.)
Its why the "Andretti to NASCAR" rumors have picked up steam. The F1 team is basically dead, even with Andretti getting closer to GM by taking over the factory WEC program next year.
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mario wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 06:46
That said, since you mention the Andretti's - if it were the case that Alpine did cut back as an engine supplier, it does also create a problem for Michael Andretti. His plans to enter relied on a bridging deal with Renault for engines whilst GM developed their own proposed unit, but that may no longer be a viable approach for him.
That plan is already dead. FOM ruled Andretti cannot enter without a factory engine, so its 2028 at the earliest (again, until they move the goalposts again.)
Its why the "Andretti to NASCAR" rumors have picked up steam. The F1 team is basically dead, even with Andretti getting closer to GM by taking over the factory WEC program next year.
From what I've seen previously, Michael Andretti was already exploring entering NASCAR before he started talking about entering Formula 1 (as well as all of the other series that Michael has been promising to enter as well).
As for the WEC programme, I hadn't heard the claim that they were supposed to be taking over the factory WEC team next year. I know that the Andretti's have been involved via Wayne Taylor Racing, where they have a partnership, but my understanding was that the Andretti's bought into that project as a minority stakeholder, with most of the actual day to day operations being undertaken by WTR.
To some extent, I do wonder if the Andretti project could ever really live up to the hype and expectations that have been heaped onto that project though.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
mario wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 22:29
As for the WEC programme, I hadn't heard the claim that they were supposed to be taking over the factory WEC team next year. I know that the Andretti's have been involved via Wayne Taylor Racing, where they have a partnership, but my understanding was that the Andretti's bought into that project as a minority stakeholder, with most of the actual day to day operations being undertaken by WTR.
It had been rumored for some time (GM and Ganassi are both very unhappy with the current set up for the Cadillac) and was confirmed over Le Mans. The new rumor now is that Ganassi will take over the Acura IMSA project, which makes some sense, being a Honda Indycar team. But they have downsized so much (and even in Indy only 2 of their 5 cars are competitive) I can't see it personally.
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Perez: Feels like we’re going back to the bad old days of Gasly and Albon with each passing weekend
Aston Martin: Early 2023 aside they continue to be Jaguar 2.0 each passing weekend
HM: Williams: They’ve always struggled at Barcelona with their aerodynamic inefficiency and that’s reflected in the fact that even Albon couldn’t do anything good in this race
HM: VCARB: First genuinely uncompetitive weekend all season where they showed absolutely nothing
HM: Alpine: Purely for bringing back Flavio Briatore.
(Tony Jardine, 1988)
