Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
1. McLaren. Complete strategic incompetence cost the win for both Norris and Piastri.
2. Whoever stopped for inters the first time round. Their races were destroyed within laps.
2. Whoever stopped for inters the first time round. Their races were destroyed within laps.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
Bruno Famin, sack this bastard IMMEDIATELY!!!
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
McLaren's Strategists:
1. Didn't double stack Piastri, which would've cost him 4 or 5s. Instead they sent him around for another lap which cost him 20s. Maybe they didn't think it'd be that bad, but surely they had to know that best case, it'd cost him 7 or 8s.
2. Poor information given to Norris. A few laps earlier they told Piastri that medium tires were the best to have, and that neither Hamilton or Verstappen had them. But with Norris, they basically tempted him with softs to "cover off Lewis" when the mediums were the better tire.
Very likely threw away a win there lads. Ferrari territory.
Oh and speaking of, I have to give a HM to Leclerc's entire weekend.
1. Didn't double stack Piastri, which would've cost him 4 or 5s. Instead they sent him around for another lap which cost him 20s. Maybe they didn't think it'd be that bad, but surely they had to know that best case, it'd cost him 7 or 8s.
2. Poor information given to Norris. A few laps earlier they told Piastri that medium tires were the best to have, and that neither Hamilton or Verstappen had them. But with Norris, they basically tempted him with softs to "cover off Lewis" when the mediums were the better tire.
Very likely threw away a win there lads. Ferrari territory.
Oh and speaking of, I have to give a HM to Leclerc's entire weekend.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
1) Mclaren pit wall - didn't double stack Piastri, didn't insist on Medium for Norris. Threw away an almost certain 1-2
2) Early inters stoppers - ruined any chance Zhou, Perez and LeClerc hoped to have
2) Early inters stoppers - ruined any chance Zhou, Perez and LeClerc hoped to have
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
1- Mclaren team strategy- Dreadful calls in the whole race- Left Piastri out and ruined his chances to win the race then put Norris on the wrong tyres costing him the race win. Pure stupidity.
2- Charles Leclerc's weekend, his deal with the devil since he won at Monaco is going well, isn't it? Another weekend from hell
HM- Gasly's luck. Change the whole engine, get a 50-place grid drop, and then the gearbox fails on the formation lap. Poor bloke.
Hm- Perez. again. was nothing but a guinea pig in this race and it was all caused by him beaching the car in q1. 6 different race winners and he hasn't looked any further from the podium.
2- Charles Leclerc's weekend, his deal with the devil since he won at Monaco is going well, isn't it? Another weekend from hell
HM- Gasly's luck. Change the whole engine, get a 50-place grid drop, and then the gearbox fails on the formation lap. Poor bloke.
Hm- Perez. again. was nothing but a guinea pig in this race and it was all caused by him beaching the car in q1. 6 different race winners and he hasn't looked any further from the podium.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
1) McLaren team strategy: Handed the win to Hamilton; poor reading of the weather conditions.
2) Charles Leclerc's weekend: Unfortunately well in the doldrums; being caught out by inters at the wrong time didn't help.
2) Charles Leclerc's weekend: Unfortunately well in the doldrums; being caught out by inters at the wrong time didn't help.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
Gotta agree with Leclerc and McLaren strategists, so I’ll go for…
George Russell’s water system failures.
Add the last two together led to a lost British 1-2-3, which looked possible for the first half of the race, until the first pit stops.
George Russell’s water system failures.
Add the last two together led to a lost British 1-2-3, which looked possible for the first half of the race, until the first pit stops.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
McLaren can't throw this contest away, so I might as well provide some alternatives:
- Perez, he wouldn't have been sacrificed as a guinea pig had he not binned it in Q1.
- Alpine. This is what you get when you ditch your rainbow-fied logo.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
Charles Leclerc - What's happened him since Monaco? Lewis will make mincemeat of him next year if this form continues any longer.
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McLaren - they've showed they're still miles off Red Bull and even Mercedes with lack of tactical nous. Plus another shocker for Checo.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
1. Pierre Gasly: a weekend to forget leading to not even starting the GP
2. George Russell’s retirement: robbing us of a potential all-British podium at Silverstone
2. George Russell’s retirement: robbing us of a potential all-British podium at Silverstone
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
Sergio Pérez: Absolutely useless – his performances have been so awful lately, it's not even unexpected, but this weekend was especially abysmal. 

Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
As so many others have said, McLaren's pit wall has to take it - they cost Piastri dearly when the other teams realised that double stacking was better, and then it was Norris's turn when they tarried on his final stop and also put him on the wrong tyres. They had the potential to get both drivers on the podium and potentially win this race, but ultimately threw it away.
To some extent, Perez is somewhat unsurprising, as his current form means you kind of expect mediocrity from him. It's not just that he's failed to lead a single lap this season, for the past eight races in a row, he's not even managed to spend a single lap within the top four positions.
Leclerc has also had a similarly rough time, and you do wonder if it is beginning to hurt his confidence a little - Sainz has outscored him by a ratio of 3 points for every 1 that Leclerc has secured over the past four races, and the Spanish Grand Prix is arguably the only one of those races that didn't have something not quite going right for either him or the team.
Even so, it looked like he could have salvaged a reasonable result if he hadn't gone for the intermediates early. With Zhou and Perez, given they were so far back, going for that long shot option did at least make some kind of sense - they probably had the most to gain and least to lose by gambling on the rain intensifying. However, for Leclerc, given he was so close to Sainz and in a reasonable points position, he was in the position of having more to lose and less to gain by the switch - 6th place doesn't look out of the realms of possibility, which would have been an OK result.
To some extent, Perez is somewhat unsurprising, as his current form means you kind of expect mediocrity from him. It's not just that he's failed to lead a single lap this season, for the past eight races in a row, he's not even managed to spend a single lap within the top four positions.
Leclerc has also had a similarly rough time, and you do wonder if it is beginning to hurt his confidence a little - Sainz has outscored him by a ratio of 3 points for every 1 that Leclerc has secured over the past four races, and the Spanish Grand Prix is arguably the only one of those races that didn't have something not quite going right for either him or the team.
Even so, it looked like he could have salvaged a reasonable result if he hadn't gone for the intermediates early. With Zhou and Perez, given they were so far back, going for that long shot option did at least make some kind of sense - they probably had the most to gain and least to lose by gambling on the rain intensifying. However, for Leclerc, given he was so close to Sainz and in a reasonable points position, he was in the position of having more to lose and less to gain by the switch - 6th place doesn't look out of the realms of possibility, which would have been an OK result.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
1. McLaren strategy: Stalked, hunted, then wrestled defeat from the jaws of victory. The cherry on tap was confidently neglecting to use the tire advantage they exclusively had in the last stop.
2. Leclerc's Strategists: A performance undeserving of even a participation trophy.
2. Leclerc's Strategists: A performance undeserving of even a participation trophy.
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1. McLaren strategists. Wrong choice not to double stack, wrong choice to take softs for the final stint
2. Alpine. Both cars out in Q1, then Gasly had a car failure before start and Ocon was one of those who took inters too early.
2. Alpine. Both cars out in Q1, then Gasly had a car failure before start and Ocon was one of those who took inters too early.
Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
I totally agree with all the McLaren/Perez nods, so I'll offer:
Sauber - Points were out there again, but it was Williams who finished P9 and P11. You may have locked up last in the WCC today.
Sauber - Points were out there again, but it was Williams who finished P9 and P11. You may have locked up last in the WCC today.
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Re: Reject of the Race - Britain 2024
Alpine - Silently had a pretty trash weekend, after a good string of races. Failed to get into Q2, Gasly never even started the race, and Ocon was on the completely wrong tyre at the start, dooming him to the back with the early Inter runners.
McLaren - Highly questionable strategy calls. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
HM to Leclerc.
McLaren - Highly questionable strategy calls. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
HM to Leclerc.
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Sergio Perez - His performances after the extension of his contract with Red Bull are way below par.