Possible updates to "Hall of Shame"

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 22 Aug 2010, 08:29

"I'd love it if we beat them, LOVE it" Award for the driver/team with a dominant lead in the points towards the end of the season, only to stuff it all up and someone else winning it?

Mansell in 1986 for example?

Post by **tommykl** » 22 Aug 2010, 14:25

I'll add Carlos Reutemann, 1981.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Aug 2010, 14:31

ADx_Wales wrote:"I'd love it if we beat them, LOVE it" Award for the driver/team with a dominant lead in the points towards the end of the season, only to stuff it all up and someone else winning it?

Mansell in 1986 for example?

Sounds good to me. I think Hamilton in 2007 should qualify as well. Though I think there should be a different name - maybe something like "And what is he DOING?" in order to capture the sense of bewilderment at the driver's sudden and inexplicable lack of form. And also because it's adapted from a Murrayism applying to Deletraz, thus putting the driver/team in the same light as him.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 22 Aug 2010, 15:46

Alain Prost in 1983?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 22 Aug 2010, 15:48

ADx_Wales wrote:"I'd love it if we beat them, LOVE it" Award for the driver/team with a dominant lead in the points towards the end of the season, only to stuff it all up and someone else winning it?

Mansell in 1986 for example?

Michael Schumacher in 1997, Alain Prost in 1983, Niki Lauda in 1976 (if he wanted to be called himself a race driver, then he should have coped with the rain at Fuji), Clay Regazzoni in 1974, Jim Clark in 1964.

Post by **tommykl** » 22 Aug 2010, 16:12

How about we call the "IT'S MEEEEELTIIIIIING!!!!" award, in reference to the melting points lead.

watka · Post by **watka** » 22 Aug 2010, 16:25

Phoenix wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:"I'd love it if we beat them, LOVE it" Award for the driver/team with a dominant lead in the points towards the end of the season, only to stuff it all up and someone else winning it?

Mansell in 1986 for example?

Michael Schumacher in 1997, Alain Prost in 1983, Niki Lauda in 1976 (if he wanted to be called himself a race driver, then he should have coped with the rain at Fuji), Clay Regazzoni in 1974, Jim Clark in 1964.

What you're forgetting with Lauda is that it was the 1970s and Lauda had recently had a life-threatening crash.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 22 Aug 2010, 18:24

watka wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:"I'd love it if we beat them, LOVE it" Award for the driver/team with a dominant lead in the points towards the end of the season, only to stuff it all up and someone else winning it?

Mansell in 1986 for example?

Michael Schumacher in 1997, Alain Prost in 1983, Niki Lauda in 1976 (if he wanted to be called himself a race driver, then he should have coped with the rain at Fuji), Clay Regazzoni in 1974, Jim Clark in 1964.

What you're forgetting with Lauda is that it was the 1970s and Lauda had recently had a life-threatening crash.

And Lauda had missed several races due to his life threatening crash, which was a big part of why he had lost so much of his earlier advantage.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 23 Aug 2010, 15:20

watka wrote:
What you're forgetting with Lauda is that it was the 1970s and Lauda had recently had a life-threatening crash.

tc3j3r wrote:And Lauda had missed several races due to his life threatening crash, which was a big part of why he had lost so much of his earlier advantage.

No, I didn't forget it. Okay, getting injured wan't really his fault, but for the sake of it it's a perfectly valid example for this award. And I'll insist he was a coward for not racing in Fuji. If he was a racing driver, then he should have coped with that. As it's sometimes said, fortune smiles the brave, and James Hunt was brave enough to get out and try to nail the title. He did so despite a puncture, after running half the race in the lead and finishing 3rd, winning by a single point.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 23 Aug 2010, 22:19

In reference to why I suggested "I will love it if we beat them, love it"

Newcastle United in the 1995-96 Premier League were utterly romping away with the title, were top of the league by something like 18 points (six wins ahead), and after christmas all the other teams worked out how to beat Newcastle, especially Manchester United, who eventually won it, but with a day to go and with an outside mathematical chance (which was impossible essentially) this is what a rather emotional Kevin Keegan (the Newcastle manager) said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

Newcastle have never won a major trophy since 1969.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 23 Aug 2010, 22:31

ADx_Wales wrote:In reference to why I suggested "I will love it if we beat them, love it"

Newcastle United in the 1995-96 Premier League were utterly romping away with the title, were top of the league by something like 18 points (six wins ahead), and after christmas all the other teams worked out how to beat Newcastle, especially Manchester United, who eventually won it, but with a day to go and with an outside mathematical chance (which was impossible essentially) this is what a rather emotional Kevin Keegan (the Newcastle manager) said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

Newcastle have never won a major trophy since 1969.

I knew.

Gotta love on-air nervous breakdowns.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 23 Aug 2010, 23:02

ADx_Wales wrote:In reference to why I suggested "I will love it if we beat them, love it"

Newcastle United in the 1995-96 Premier League were utterly romping away with the title, were top of the league by something like 18 points (six wins ahead), and after christmas all the other teams worked out how to beat Newcastle, especially Manchester United, who eventually won it, but with a day to go and with an outside mathematical chance (which was impossible essentially) this is what a rather emotional Kevin Keegan (the Newcastle manager) said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

Newcastle have never won a major trophy since 1969.

Newcastle were legendary on Sunday.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 23 Aug 2010, 23:14

redbulljack14 wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:In reference to why I suggested "I will love it if we beat them, love it"

Newcastle United in the 1995-96 Premier League were utterly romping away with the title, were top of the league by something like 18 points (six wins ahead), and after christmas all the other teams worked out how to beat Newcastle, especially Manchester United, who eventually won it, but with a day to go and with an outside mathematical chance (which was impossible essentially) this is what a rather emotional Kevin Keegan (the Newcastle manager) said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

Newcastle have never won a major trophy since 1969.

Newcastle were legendary on Sunday.

First time in a fair while though.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 24 Aug 2010, 16:08

shinji wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:In reference to why I suggested "I will love it if we beat them, love it"

Newcastle United in the 1995-96 Premier League were utterly romping away with the title, were top of the league by something like 18 points (six wins ahead), and after christmas all the other teams worked out how to beat Newcastle, especially Manchester United, who eventually won it, but with a day to go and with an outside mathematical chance (which was impossible essentially) this is what a rather emotional Kevin Keegan (the Newcastle manager) said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

Newcastle have never won a major trophy since 1969.

Newcastle were legendary on Sunday.

First time in a fair while though.

Yeah, it's only because they beat Aston Villa 6-0 I can't stand the Villa <insert pejorative term here>s

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 24 Aug 2010, 16:23

redbulljack14 wrote:
shinji wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
Newcastle were legendary on Sunday.

First time in a fair while though.

Yeah, it's only because they beat Aston Villa 6-0 I can't stand the Villa clowns

Cop on man. None of that tribalism here.

watka · Post by **watka** » 01 Sep 2010, 19:17

Phoenix wrote:
watka wrote:
What you're forgetting with Lauda is that it was the 1970s and Lauda had recently had a life-threatening crash.

tc3j3r wrote:And Lauda had missed several races due to his life threatening crash, which was a big part of why he had lost so much of his earlier advantage.

No, I didn't forget it. Okay, getting injured wan't really his fault, but for the sake of it it's a perfectly valid example for this award. And I'll insist he was a coward for not racing in Fuji. If he was a racing driver, then he should have coped with that. As it's sometimes said, fortune smiles the brave, and James Hunt was brave enough to get out and try to nail the title. He did so despite a puncture, after running half the race in the lead and finishing 3rd, winning by a single point.

In which case, you are also calling Larry Perkins, Carlos Pace, and Emerson Fittipaldi cowards (they also pulled out of the race). You also discount the fact that it was also very foggy, that the track was new to the F1 calendar, that a year later Gilles Villeneuve had an accident which killed 2 spectators, and in subsequent years there have been a number of terrifying sports car crashes at the track.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 02 Sep 2010, 12:21

watka wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
watka wrote:
What you're forgetting with Lauda is that it was the 1970s and Lauda had recently had a life-threatening crash.

tc3j3r wrote:And Lauda had missed several races due to his life threatening crash, which was a big part of why he had lost so much of his earlier advantage.

No, I didn't forget it. Okay, getting injured wan't really his fault, but for the sake of it it's a perfectly valid example for this award. And I'll insist he was a coward for not racing in Fuji. If he was a racing driver, then he should have coped with that. As it's sometimes said, fortune smiles the brave, and James Hunt was brave enough to get out and try to nail the title. He did so despite a puncture, after running half the race in the lead and finishing 3rd, winning by a single point.

In which case, you are also calling Larry Perkins, Carlos Pace, and Emerson Fittipaldi cowards (they also pulled out of the race). You also discount the fact that it was also very foggy, that the track was new to the F1 calendar, that a year later Gilles Villeneuve had an accident which killed 2 spectators, and in subsequent years there have been a number of terrifying sports car crashes at the track.

1-Yes, they're also cowards. As much as I respect their decision, for me, they're cowards.
2-Yes, it was foggy, but if someone managed to lap there without nothing more than a bit of fuss, it was OK. Mind you, on these years, many drivers didn't care about foggy weather. There's always a bit of fog when it rains anyway.
3-OK, so it was new. Maybe you have a bit of a point here.
4-First, the same happened with Mark Webber in Valencia this year, remember? If he didn't kill anybody it was because there was more run-off area than it was on circuits before. Besides, those two spectators were on a forbidden zone.
5-That has to do with the safety of old racing cars more than to the circuit.
6-There's not much point in continue to discuss this anyway. Being a coward or not, Lauda's lead melted down badly with his Nürburgring crash, and he eventually lost the title, so this example meets the criteria perfectly.

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 02 Sep 2010, 12:36

shinji wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:In reference to why I suggested "I will love it if we beat them, love it"

Newcastle United in the 1995-96 Premier League were utterly romping away with the title, were top of the league by something like 18 points (six wins ahead), and after christmas all the other teams worked out how to beat Newcastle, especially Manchester United, who eventually won it, but with a day to go and with an outside mathematical chance (which was impossible essentially) this is what a rather emotional Kevin Keegan (the Newcastle manager) said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

Newcastle have never won a major trophy since 1969.

Newcastle were legendary on Sunday.

First time in a fair while though.

While we're on the subject of soccer/football, go Tottenham Hotspur! I support them because HWNSNBM used to test drive for them in Stupid Football Thing (Superleague Formula).

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 02 Sep 2010, 12:59

MinardiFan95 wrote:While we're on the subject of soccer/football, go Tottenham Hotspur! I support them because HWNSNBM used to test drive for them in Stupid Football Thing (Superleague Formula).

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 03 Sep 2010, 11:53

How about Rene Arnoux for "Hang Up The Keys"?

I'm thinking of the years he was at Ligier in the late 80s trundling around at the back, DNQing several times and blocking everyone lapping him (especially Prost), when he was in his 40s and the legendary James Hunt comment at Monaco.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Sep 2010, 17:38

James1978 wrote:How about Rene Arnoux for "Hang Up The Keys"?

I'm thinking of the years he was at Ligier in the late 80s trundling around at the back, DNQing several times and blocking everyone lapping him (especially Prost), when he was in his 40s and the legendary James Hunt comment at Monaco.

It's difficult to move Jones, Hill or Mansell off the Hang up the Keys, even for Schumacher and Arnoux. I even think Trulli could be a contender if he stays for another couple of years.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 04 Sep 2010, 12:46

redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:How about Rene Arnoux for "Hang Up The Keys"?

I'm thinking of the years he was at Ligier in the late 80s trundling around at the back, DNQing several times and blocking everyone lapping him (especially Prost), when he was in his 40s and the legendary James Hunt comment at Monaco.

It's difficult to move Jones, Hill or Mansell off the Hang up the Keys, even for Schumacher and Arnoux. I even think Trulli could be a contender if he stays for another couple of years.

Hill would have left it before 1999, but both Eddie Jordan and Hill's wife convinced him to stay.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 19 Sep 2010, 15:51

How about Jean Christoph Bouillon for "You Lucky Bastard". He only scored 3 points. It's mainly because of his 6th place at Monza when he passed Max Papis on the last lap.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 25 Sep 2010, 11:19

redbulljack14 wrote:How about Jean Christoph Bouillon for "You Lucky Bastard". He only scored 3 points. It's mainly because of his 6th place at Monza when he passed Max Papis on the last lap.

That gives me an idea: How about a list of drivers that were just about unrejectified, i.e. by virtue of only one sixth place?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 25 Sep 2010, 12:22

Waris wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:How about Jean Christoph Bouillon for "You Lucky Bastard". He only scored 3 points. It's mainly because of his 6th place at Monza when he passed Max Papis on the last lap.

That gives me an idea: How about a list of drivers that were just about unrejectified, i.e. by virtue of only one sixth place?

I begin:
-Johnny Dumfries
-Jean-Cristophe Bouillon (credit to redbulljack14)
-Christian Danner? (the 4th place that made him escape rejectdom was through attrition)
-Marc Gené

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 27 Sep 2010, 20:02

They're not in that category listed above, but two more "You Lucky Bastards" could be Monteiro and Karthikeyan as there's no way they'd have got their 3rd and 4th places respectively at Indy '05 without Michelin messing up its tyre!!

Post by **Nuppiz** » 27 Sep 2010, 20:04

Phoenix wrote:
Waris wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:How about Jean Christoph Bouillon for "You Lucky Bastard". He only scored 3 points. It's mainly because of his 6th place at Monza when he passed Max Papis on the last lap.

That gives me an idea: How about a list of drivers that were just about unrejectified, i.e. by virtue of only one sixth place?

I begin:
-Johnny Dumfries
-Jean-Cristophe Bouillon (credit to redbulljack14)
-Christian Danner? (the 4th place that made him escape rejectdom was through attrition)
-Marc Gené

Ricardo Zonta springs to mind.

Post by **tommykl** » 28 Sep 2010, 15:12

Cristiano da Matta, maybe?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Sep 2010, 15:44

Phoenix wrote:
Waris wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:How about Jean Christoph Bouillon for "You Lucky Bastard". He only scored 3 points. It's mainly because of his 6th place at Monza when he passed Max Papis on the last lap.

That gives me an idea: How about a list of drivers that were just about unrejectified, i.e. by virtue of only one sixth place?

I begin:
-Johnny Dumfries
-Jean-Cristophe Bouillon (credit to redbulljack14)
-Christian Danner? (the 4th place that made him escape rejectdom was through attrition)
-Marc Gené

Hooray! I get credit. Oh, and Christian Klien can be added to the list as well. 6th at Spa 04 and 5th at China 05

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 29 Apr 2011, 10:20

BUMP: How about F-duct for VHS vs Beta award?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 29 Apr 2011, 10:29

FMecha wrote:BUMP: How about F-duct for VHS vs Beta award?

The problem is that all those which are currently in the VHS vs Beta award set the world alight, something that the F-duct clearly didn't. One could say multi-deck diffusers though...

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 29 Apr 2011, 10:47

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Maybe we could use the F1 Rejects Wiki to throw together a draft or two. Just a suggestion.

Narain Karthikeyan would be in the "You Lucky B******d" category no problem.

Also give a profile to Yuji Ide and Patrick Friesacher. Plus an article about the legendary Chanoch Nissany.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 29 Apr 2011, 11:17

Lewis Hamilton's current facial hair for "Fashion Police" (I'm not sure you can even call it a beard!!) :lol:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Apr 2011, 19:59

Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber for "Punch and Judy"

Raul Boesel and Chico Serra from the 1982 Canadian Grand Prix should be on the "Watch your ear" top 3.

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 01 May 2011, 02:34

James1978 wrote:Lewis Hamilton's current facial hair for "Fashion Police" (I'm not sure you can even call it a beard!!)

Seconded. Seriously, what is Hamilton thinking?

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 02 May 2011, 13:39

LionZoo wrote:
James1978 wrote:Lewis Hamilton's current facial hair for "Fashion Police" (I'm not sure you can even call it a beard!!)

Seconded. Seriously, what is Hamilton doing? (fixed)

Never mind what he's doing. I'd be more tempted to nominate Nick Heidfeld's emo hair. When he takes his overalls off, I'm half expecting to see a Dashboard Confessional t-shirt underneath it.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 02 May 2011, 14:03

dinizintheoven wrote:
LionZoo wrote:
James1978 wrote:Lewis Hamilton's current facial hair for "Fashion Police" (I'm not sure you can even call it a beard!!)

Seconded. Seriously, what is Hamilton doing? (fixed)

Never mind what he's doing. I'd be more tempted to nominate Nick Heidfeld's emo hair. When he takes his overalls off, I'm half expecting to see a Dashboard Confessional t-shirt underneath it.

"I just drive to ease the pain of my existence."

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 08 May 2011, 19:17

In the BBC's F1 forum after the Turkish Grand Prix, Eddie Jordan pretty much made an outright nomination for Michael Schumacher to get the Hang Up The Keys award. David Coulthard admitted he wasn't enjoying it anymore in 2008 and quit at the right time (does anyone think he would have done what Vettel & Webber did in the RB5?), and told of his experiences of Damon Hill saying the same thing after he knew he'd hung on too long (and was a recipient of the HUTK award anyway).

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 12 May 2011, 20:43

Here's my take: "One Hit Wonder" Awarded to the driver who did an impressive run in one race, only to vanish into obscurity for the rest of their career.

John Love's 2nd place in the 1967 South African GP
Peter Gethin's win in the 1971 Italian GP
Robert Moreno's 2nd Place in the 1990 Japanese GP

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 13 May 2011, 14:57

DOSBoot wrote:Robert Moreno's 2nd Place in the 1990 Japanese GP

Well, there really should have been more, right?