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OK, based on the ones Bleu has already completed, and tommykl is currently doing a similar based on Bernie's medals system, this is the same principle as all previous champions are eliminated from the results, only this time every year uses the 2010 points-scoring system of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 with all scores to count. As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't start from the beginning as I don't understand much about the early days of F1 (shared cars, Indy 500 part of the WC, points for fastest laps etc). I started at 1974 as the champions just before then were consistent in both systems, and that year was the first to look quite close. However, as not to duplicate results, it took until I got to 1981 to produce a different champion to the one in Bleu's thread, so I'll start posting with 1981 to avoid you all having the look through loads of duplicate champions!

1981
Previous champions still racing but are ineligible here are Alan Jones (1980), Gilles Villeneuve (1979), Mario Andretti (1978) and Carlos Reutemann (1977).

Points as follows:

Nelson Piquet 185 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Jacques Laffite 180 (5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alain Prost 136 (4 wins, 2 2nds)
John Watson 129 (1 win, 3 2nds)
Elio De Angelis 121 (1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Rene Arnoux 78 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Didier Pironi 75 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 72 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Bruno Giacomelli 61 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Hector Rebaque 58 (2 3rds, 2 4ths)
Riccardo Patrese 57 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Marc Surer 54 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
Nigel Mansell 53 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 35 (2 5ths)
Patrick Tambay 33 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 30 (1 5th, 2 7ths)
Chico Serra 18 (1 4th)
Siegfried Stohr 18 (2 6ths)
Derek Daly 18 (2 6ths)
Keke Rosberg 14 (1 7th)
Slim Borgudd 13 (1 5th)
Eliseo Salazar 11 (1 5th)
Michele Alboreto 10 (2 8ths)
Brian Henton 4 (1 8th)
Jan Lammers 2 (1 9th)
Ricardo Zunino 1 (1 10th)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 1 (1 10th)

Too much hard work to do tie breaks for the minor positions when they have the same points finishes like Stohr and Daly do!

That one was nip-and-tuck between Piquet and Laffite all the way, indeed I thought whilst doing it Piquet's one point for 10th in Brazil might decide it!
(Chico Serra is unrejectified too).
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To continue:

1982

Note: Lauda makes his comeback but he too is ineligible as he was champion in 1975.

Keke Rosberg 172 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
John Watson 151 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Didier Pironi 135 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Michele Alboreto 133 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alain Prost 120 (2 wins, 2 2nds)
Elio De Angelis 109 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Patrick Tambay 93 (1 win, 2 2nds)
Rene Arnoux 87 (2 wins, 2 2nds)
Riccardo Patrese 83 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Derek Daly 73 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Eddie Cheever 60 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Nigel Mansell 53 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Marc Surer 44 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Andrea De Cesaris 33 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Mauro Baldi 33 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Bruno Giacomelli 28 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Jacques Laffite 27 (1 3rd)
Brian Henton 26 (2 7ths)
Eliseo Salazar 22 (1 4th)
Jochen Mass 20 (2 7ths)
Chico Serra 19 (1 5th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 17 (1 3rd)
Manfred Winkelhock 16 (1 5th)
Raul Boesel 10 (1 7th)
Slim Borgudd 8 (1 7th)
Roberto Guerrero 4 (1 8th)
Derek Warwick 1 (1 10th)

Few surprises here. Pironi was a comfortable leader until his crash at Hockenheim (more than a full win ahead). Arnoux only scored one point aside from his podiums mentioned above, and Patrese none at all! A run from Britain to Dijon where Watson onlt scored one 8th place scuppered his chances against the consistent Rosberg.
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Next one!

1983

Alain Prost 213 (6 wins, 1 2nd)
Rene Arnoux 183 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 160 (1 win, 5 2nds, 3 3rds)
John Watson 104 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) - not bad for a non-turbo that year!
Eddie Cheever 98 (3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Jacques Laffite 97 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Derek Warwick 69 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Nigel Mansell 65 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Marc Surer 65 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Andrea De Cesaris 60 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Riccardo Patrese 52 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Michele Alboreto 52 (1 win, 2 6ths)
Mauro Baldi 37 (1 4th, 2 5ths)
Danny Sullivan 36 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Bruno Giacomelli 32 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 32 (1 5th, 1 7th)
Thierry Boutsen 28 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Chico Serra 24 (1 5th, 1 6th) - not bad for just 5 races!
Johnny Cecotto 19 (1 5th)
Elio De Angelis 18 (1 4th)
Raul Boesel 17 (1 6th)
Manfred Winkelhock 11 (1 7th)
Stefan Johansson 8 (1 7th)
Corroado Fabi 6 (1 7th)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 4 (1 8th)
Kenny Acheson 2 (1 9th)

Comfortable championship for Prost in Piquet's absence, neither Ferrari driver was consistent enough to challenge, though if you put Tambay's first half of season and combine it with Arnoux's second half it's a different story......

Also De Angelis is WAY down considering how competitive Lotus were in the 2nd half of the season, but Mansell got all the luck in the reliability stakes!
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Also forgot to add - not only unrejectification but a PODIUM in Monaco for Danny Sullivan! :)
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One more for tonight, it's

1984

Elio De Angelis 200.5 (3 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds*) (what a totally cool points total!)
Rene Arnoux 169 (2 wins, 3 2nds*, 2 3rds)
Michele Alboreto 138 (4 wins, 1 2nd)
Derek Warwick 112 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 95 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Ayrton Senna 89.5 (2 wins*, 1 2nd)
Nigel Mansell 86 (1 win, 2 2nds)
Riccardo Patrese 66 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 59 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Thierry Boutsen 54 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Teo Fabi 51 (2 2nds, 1 3rd) (and no other scores!)
Jacques Laffite 44 (2 3rds)
Marc Surer 36 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Francois Hesnault 36 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Eddie Cheever 35 (1 2nd)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 33 (1 4th)
Jonathan Palmer 31 (2 6ths)
Mauro Baldi 24 (1 5th)
Manfred Winkelhock 22 (1 5th)
Stefan Johansson 19 (1 3rd)
Jo Gartner 16 (1 4th)
Corrado Fabi 16 (2 6ths)
Philippe Alliot 14 (2 7ths)
Gerhard Berger 12 (1 5th)
Huub Rothengatter 12 (2 7ths)
Johnny Cecotto 8 (1 6th)

* Half points awarded for Monaco.

De Angelis just scored like a metronome in the first two-thirds of the season to put him out of reach. A win for Arnoux and a DNF for De Angelis in Portugal would have seen Arnoux champion by half a point!

First wins for Senna, Warwick and Mansell.
First podium for Fabi, Boutsen and Johansson
Unrejectification (not to mention insane points totals under this system!) for Hesnault and Ghinzani, and also Gartner as I make all scores count in this! Cecotto is also unrejectified with his 1983 results too.
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1985

Michele Alboreto 197 (5 wins, 4 2nds)
Stefan Johansson 162 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) - includes 10pts when he drove for Tyrrell in Brazil before moving to Ferrari!
Ayrton Senna 157 (5 wins, 1 2nd)
Nigel Mansell 151 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Thierry Boutsen 129 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Jacques Laffite 101 (1 win, 2 2nds)
Patrick Tambay 96 (2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Marc Surer 82 (1 2nd, 3 4ths)
Derek Warwick 78 (4 3rds)
Gerhard Berger 76 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 3 5ths)
Martin Brundle 71 (1 4th, 3 5ths)
Stefan Bellof 51 (1 3rd, 2 5ths)
Philippe Streiff 42 (1 2nd) - not bad for 5 races!
Riccardo Patrese 26 (1 6th)
Andrea De Cesaris 24 (1 2nd)
Eddie Cheever 20 (2 6ths)
Rene Arnoux 18 (1 2nd)
Ivan Capelli 15 (1 3rd)
Huub Rothengatter 14 (1 6th)
John Watson 12 (1 4th)
Pierluigi Martini 10 (1 7th)
Philippe Alliot 6 (1 7th)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 5 (1 8th)
Jonathan Palmer 4 (1 8th)
Manfred Winkelhock 4 (1 8th)
Teo Fabi 3 (1 9th)

Alboreto's impressive total was despite DNFs in all of the last 5 races, so it was quite a comfortable championship. I don't know about anyone else but I was certainly surprised Johansson beats both Senna and Mansell - I know reliability is important in this (just look how far down De Cesaris is :) ) but I didn't think Ferrari's reliability was any better than Lotus and Williams that year. Also very impressive total for Boutsen.

First wins for Johansson and Boutsen.
First podiums for Streiff, Capelli, Berger and Bellof.
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1986

Nigel Mansell 252 (6 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds)
Ayrton Senna 222 (6 wins, 4 2nds)
Stefan Johansson 144 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
Rene Arnoux 126 (2 2nds, 4 3rds)
Gerhard Berger 111 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 91 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 87 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Philippe Streiff 69 (1 3rd, 14th)
Thierry Boutsen 60 (2 4ths, 3 5ths)
Johnny Dumfries 58 (2 4ths, 2 5ths)
Riccardo Patrese 47 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Patrick Tambay 44 (1 2nd)
Teo Fabi 43 (1 3rd)
Christian Danner 41 (1 3rd) (all his points were for Arrows)
Derek Warwick 34 (1 4th)
Jonathan Palmer 31 (1 6th, 2 7ths)
Philippe Alliot 24 (1 4th)
Marc Surer 22 (2 6ths)
Huub Rothengatter 16 (1 5th)
Andrea De Cesaris 8 (1 6th)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 6 (1 7th)
Allen Berg 5 (1 8th)

A year dominated by the remaining two members of the "Fab Four" The only real difference between them was that Senna had two more DNFs than Mansell, all their scores were podiums. Only two other drivers won a race, Berger's first win was at Imola rather than Mexico.

First podiums for Brundle and Danner, and unrejectification for Rothengatter with his 5th in addition to a 6th in 1985!
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1987

Ayrton Senna 254 (7 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Stefan Johansson 194 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Gerhard Berger 147 (3 wins, 4 2nds)
Teo Fabi 106 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Thierry Boutsen 106 (3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Jonathan Palmer 106 (2 3rds)
Satoru Nakajima 89 (1 2nd, 3 4ths)
Eddie Cheever 84 (2 3rds)
Philippe Streiff 77 (2 3rds)
Riccardo Patrese 62 (1 win, 1 3rd) (6 points scored for Williams in Australia as he was still classified despite retiring)
Christian Danner 52 (3 5ths)
Philippe Alliot 49 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Derek Warwick 39 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Rene Arnoux 30 (1 5th)
Martin Brundle 29 (1 3rd) - A podium for Zakspeed!!!!
Piercarlo Ghinzani 29 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Ivan Capelli 28 (1 4th)
Pascal Fabre 23 (1 6th, 1 7th)
Andrea De Cesaris 18 (1 2nd)
Yannick Dalmas 18 (1 4th)
Roberto Moreno 10 (1 5th)
Alessandro Nannini 4 (2 9ths)
Alex Caffi 1 (1 10th)
Adrian campos 1 (1 10th)

Easy championship for Senna - he had it wrapped up in Mexico with Johansson retiring. Bizarre 3-way tie for 4th place, Palmer manages to tie with the far more competitive Benetton drivers through excellent reliability, he scored 11 times.

First (and only) win for Fabi.
First podium for Nakajima and Alliot.
Unrejectification for Dalmas!
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Fabre ahead of de Cesaris! :lol:
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Just goes to show how important finishing is in this thing - Fabre actually managed 6 points finishes, De Cesaris only one in Belgium!

Also lots of drivers in fast but fairly unreliable cars quite far down, such as Patrese and Warwick!
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1988

This one is what you call close!!!

Gerhard Berger 227 (6 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Thierry Boutsen 226 (5 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Derek Warwick 149 (4 2nds, 3 3rds)
Ivan Capelli 127 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 114 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Riccardo Patrese 98 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Eddie Cheever 94 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Satoru Nakajima 78 (2 3rds)
Mauricio Gugelmin 77 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jonathan Palmer 53 (3 3rds)
Yannick Dalmas 47 (2 5ths, 2 6ths)
Alex Caffi 46 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Andrea De Cesaris 45 (1 2nd, 1 5th)
Philippe Streiff 34 (2 6ths, 2 7ths)
Luis Perez-Sala 29 (1 5th)
Philippe Alliot 29 (1 6th)
Stefan Johansson (2 6ths)
Pierluigi Martini 25 (2 4ths)
Gabriele Tarquini 15 (1 5th)
Martin Brundle 12 (1 4th)
Stefano Modena 11 (1 8th)
Nicola Larini 8 (1 7th)
Julian Bailey 7 (1 7th)
Rene Arnoux 6 (1 7th)
Bernd Schneider 3 (1 9th)
Jean-Louis Schlesser 2 (1 9th)
Oscar Larrauri 1 (1 10th)

Poor Boutsen. Losing a championship by ONE point under this system is just cruelty, especially after being DQ'd in Belgium which he would have won had the original result stood. Also poor Stefan Johansson, being way down after 2nd/3rd/2nd in the three years he was with good teams. Warwick managed 3rd place in table without a win!

First win for Capelli and Nannini, and first podium for Gugelmin.

Also really impressed with Dalmas's points total, especially for a profiled reject! :)
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One more for today!

1989

Riccardo Patrese 187 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd)
Thierry Boutsen 174 (5 wins, 1 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 169 (3 wins, 4 2nds)
Derek Warwick 99 (1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Eddie Cheever 84 (2 2nds)
Jean Alesi 74 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 69 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Pierluigi Martini 67 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jonathan Palmer 62 (2 4ths, 1 5th)
Alex Caffi 61 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 58 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Mauricio Gugelmin 55 (1 win, 1 4th)
Stefan Johansson 50 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 44 (1 4th, 2 5ths)
Stefano Modena 41 (1 win, 2 7ths)
Olivier Grouillard 41 (2 4ths, 1 5ths)
Emanuele Pirro 40 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Johnny Herbert 32 (1 2nd)
Gabriele Tarquini 31 (1 3rd)
Christian Danner 28 (1 3rd)
Rene Arnoux 26 (1 4th)
Luis Perez-Sala 25 (1 3rd, 1 6th)
Philippe Alliot 25 (1 3rd, 1 7th)
Ivan Capelli 6 (1 8th) - oh dear what a shocker after a great 1988!!
Eric Bernard 4 (1 8th)
Bertrand Gachot 3 (1 9th)
Martin Donnelly 2 (1 9th)
Nicola Larini 1 (1 10th)

First wins for Alesi (in his debut part-season), Gugelmin, Modena and the Onyx team with Johansson.
First podiums for Martini, Caffi, Herbert, Tarquini and Sala
Unrejectification for Grouillard, Tarquini and Sala.
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Poor Arnoux. That Ligiers were utterly abominable :lol:
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Just realised I did a couple of typos on 1989 results - Grouillard got 41 points which I'd missed off his total, and Capelli's 6 points were actually 1 8th and 1 9th - not that it helps him! :)

Done the next one too:

1990

Thierry Boutsen 205 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 185 (6 wins, 1 2nd)
Jean Alesi 162 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Alex Caffi 97 (3 3rds)
Nicola Larini 97 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Derek Warwick 96 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Eric Bernard 92 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Aguri Suzuki 78 (2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Satoru Nakajima 72 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 65 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Stefano Modena 61 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 61 (3 4ths)
Philippe Alliot 50 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Mauricio Gugelmin 49 (1 2nd, 3 5ths)
Martin Donnelly 48 (3 4ths)
Roberto Moreno 45 (1 win, 1 2nd) - this includes 2 points for a 9th place for EuroBrun in Phoenix!!
Andrea De Cesaris 16 (1 4th)
Emanuele Pirro 14 (1 7th, 2 8ths)
Gregor Foitek 11 (1 5th)
Paolo Barilla 10 (1 7th)
Yannick Dalmas 8 (1 6th)
Olivier Grouillard 8 (2 8ths)
Bernd Schneider/Gianni Morbidelli/JJ Lehto all 4 (1 8th)
David Brabham/Gabriele Tarquini both 2 (1 9th)

I swear these results get stranger by the year.

Boutsen makes up for 1988, but poor Nannini suffers in the same way Pironi did in 1982. He was 20 pts ahead of Boutsen with only 2 races to come, but his plane crash meant he couldn't defend his lead - and his replacement Moreno got a win and a 2nd in the last 2 races which would easily have beat Boutsen.

Also I can't believe how many points Caffi and Larini get when they're almost rejects in reality (Larini only escapes due to Imola 94 doesn't he?) - but their finishing records this year were very good and there are so many ex-champions still active but removed from the results that just finishing more-or-less guarantees points.

First win for Nakajima!

First podiums for Larini, Bernard and Suzuki.
Unrejectification for Donnelly (not that he can ever be profiled). Foitek just fails to escape!
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Next one - we now have no less than EIGHT drivers still active but removed from results (Senna, Mansell, Prost, Piquet, Berger, Patrese, Boutsen and Alboreto - though the latter two were no longer in competitive cars by 1991, with top 10 scoring it still affects lower points-paying positions).

1991

Jean Alesi 177 (7 wins)
Andrea De Cesaris 133.5 (1 win, 4 2nds, 2 3rds*)
Roberto Moreno 110.5 (1 win, 3 2nds) - includes 6 pts for Jordan and 0.5 for Minardi - half points for 10th in Australia!
Stefano Modena 105 (2 wins, 2 2nds)
Pierluigi Martini 94 (2 2nds, 3 4ths)
Bertrand Gachot 89 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Emanuele Pirro 85 (1 2nd*, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 73 (1 win, 1 5th)
Gianni Morbidelli 71.5 (1 win*, 1 3rd) (59 for Minardi, 12.5 for a half-points win in Oz in a Ferrari)
Mauricio Gugelmin 68 (3 3rds)
Michael Schumacher 58 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Erik Comas 52 (1 5th, 4 6ths)
JJ Lehto 50 (1 win, 1 4th)
Mika Hakkinen 46 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Satoru Nakajima 44 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mark Blundell 41 (1 2nd, 1 5th)
Johnny Herbert 39 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Ivan Capelli 33 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Gabriele Tarquini 26 (2 5ths) - 10 for AGS, 16 for Fondmetal
Eric Bernard 25 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Alex Zanardi 16 (1 4th*, 1 5th)
Aguri Suzuki 15 (1 3rd)
Alex Caffi 13 (1 4th)
Nicola Larini 12 (1 4th)
Julian Bailey 12 (1 4th)
Olivier Grouillard 8 (1 6th)
Eric Van De Poele 8 (1 6th)

*Half points for Australia of course.

The ties between Larini/Bailey and Grouillard/vd Poele are only resolved by the higher driver qualifying for most races!

Alesi gets this one almost by default. Moreno was less than a win behind Alesi when Benetton chucked him (having just won Belgium) but his plus Schumacher's points still fall short of Alesi's total.

First wins for Gachot, Lehto, Schumacher (in his second race), Morbidelli (despite it being for half points in Aus) and Brundle (he would have finished first on the road in Detroit '84 without Piquet there, but then got DQ'd, he has to wait 7 years to put that right!!)

Annoyingly, still no wins for Minardi though. :(

First podiums for Blundell and Hakkinen and unrejectification for Bailey and Zanardi!!
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1992

Michael Schumacher 276 (9 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 240 (6 wins, 5 2nds)
Mika Hakkinen 136 (1 win, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
Andrea De Cesaris 101 (2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Erik Comas 95 (3 3rds, 2 4ths)
JJ Lehto 94 (3 4ths, 2 5ths)
Aguri Suzuki 85 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Pierluigi Martini 79 (2 2nds)
Ivan Capelli 53 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Christian Fittipaldi 51 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Karl Wendlinger 47 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
Gianni Morbidelli 47 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Johnny Herbert 44 (1 2nd, 2 4ths)
Ukyo Katayama 34 (2 5ths)
Mauricio Gugelmin 33 (1 3rd, 2 6ths)
Stefano Modena 31 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Olivier Grouillard 26 (1 4th)
Bertrand Gachot 25 (1 3rd)
Paul Belmondo 25 (1 5th, 2 7ths)
Emanuele Naspetti 10 (1 6th, 1 9th)
Eric Van De Poele 10 (1 7th, 1 8th)
Damon Hill 6 (1 7th)
Nicola Larini 6 (1 7th)
Gabriele Tarquini 2 (1 9th)
Jan Lammers 2 (1 9th) - I'd forgotten he'd actually come back in 1992!

McLaren 1988 in reality = Benetton 1992 for this format! They are only beaten by Hakkinen in Hungary.

This just underlines how bad Capelli was that year - even with four front-runners, his team leader, and two solid midfielders out of the reckoning, he still only manages 9th behind a Tyrrell, a Ligier, BOTH Dallaras and the SECOND Footwork (the lead one of course is the excluded Alboreto). Indeed he's only two points infront of a Minardi driver who missed a few mid-season races!

Herbert also suffers very badly against Hakkinen in reliability stakes.

First win for Hakkinen.
First podiums for Comas, Fittipaldi and Wendlinger.
Belmondo only just fails to avoid rejectification, but Katayama does without needing 1994!
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1993

Damon Hill 272 (10 wins, 1 2nd)
Martin Brundle 164 (1 win, 4 2nds, 4 3rds)
Mark Blundell 138 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Christian Fittipaldi 111 (2 2nds, 1 3rds)
Johnny Herbert 107 (1 win, 3 2nds)
JJ Lehto 87 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Michael Andretti 81 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th) :)
Derek Warwick 78 (2 2nds)
Karl Wendlinger 77 (1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Philippe Alliot 75 (1 3rd, 1 5th + lots of 6ths and 7ths!)
Rubens Barrichello 68 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Erik Comas 59 (2 4ths)
Alex Zanardi (2 4ths)
Aguri Suzuki 39 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Fabrizio Barbazza 31 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Pierluigi Martini 30 (2 5ths)
Mika Hakkinen 25 (1 win)
Luca Badoer 22 (1 5th, 3 8ths)
Andrea De Cesaris 19 (1 7th, 2 8ths)
Eddie Irvine 12 (1 4th)
Ukyo Katayama 10 (1 7th)
Toshio Suzuki 3 (1 9th)
Pedro Lamy 2 (1 9th)

Well that was hardly a surprise was it!

Tyrrell really had a shocker that year didn't they?
First wins for Blundell, Herbert and heavens forbid, Michael Andretti!!
First podiums for Barrichello and Barbazza (which means unrejectification for him - but Badoer has to wait a bit yet!) :)

1994 should be interesting though. With Schumacher and Hill out, along with Berger who was best of the rest and Alesi who would score several wins without Schu/Hill, it's a really open one. The favourite should be Hakkinen but McLaren reliability was woeful that year which would also scupper Brundle, and it's really important in this format. Other drivers in the top cars like Coulthard and Verstappen probably didn't do enough races. Which then leaves good points scorers outside the top 4 teams, such as Barrichello, Panis and Frentzen.

Anyone want any bets? :)
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I still bet for Häkkinen.
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Hakkinen had a good string of podiums towards the end of 1994 - that'll probably be what wins him the title.
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What I will add before I continue is that the knock-on effect of Piquet winning 1981 instead of Laffite under this sytem but conventional points has now completely played itself out - Piquet's 1986 championship is taken by Mansell, and Boutsen winning 1990 instead of Mansell, and by 1994 Boutsen had retired meaning 1994 starts with exactly the same drivers ineligible as in the conventional points system. However I will keep posting the results up to the current date even if all the champions are the same, as I know many people will want to see just how many points their favourite reject driver can stack up, particularly a certain 2004 Minardi driver. :mrgreen:
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1994

You're both dead right - but it's the lowest winning total so far!

Mika Hakkinen 153 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Rubens Barrichello 138 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Olivier Panis 119 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 105 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 105 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
David Coulthard 92 (2 wins, 2 3rds)
Christian Fittipaldi (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 75 (2 2nds, 2 5ths)
Mark Blundell 74 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Erik Comas 70 (1 4th, 3 5ths)
Eddie Irvine 66 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Johnny Herbert 64 (3 4ths, 2 5ths) (includes 10 pts for Ligier)
Jos Verstappen 63 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Eric Bernard 59 (1 2nd, 2 5ths)
Ukyo Katayama 54 (1 2nd, 3 4ths)
JJ Lehto 45 (1 2nd, 1 3rd) (includes 6 pts for Sauber)
Andrea De Cesaris 33 (1 2nd, 1 3rd) (18 for Jordan, 15 for Sauber)
Gianni Morbidelli 32 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Karl Wendlinger 30 (2 3rds)
Olivier Beretta 28 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Nicola Larini 25 (1 win)
Pedro Lamy 20 (1 6th, 2 7ths)
David Brabham 18 (1 7th)
Alex Zanardi 13 (1 6th)
Jean-Marc Gounon 10 (1 6th)
Mika Salo 8 (1 6th)
Franck Lagorce 4 (1 8th)
Roland Ratzenberger 2 (1 9th) :(

Hakkinen was nowhere until his run towards the end of the year. I thought at one point the incident between him and Rubens at Silverstone may have been the decider, but had Rubens not gone in the pits it would have been a 14-point swing and so he'd have been been one point behind. Panis does so well becuase he only failed to score in 2 races.

First wins for Barrichello, Irvine, Panis, Frentzen, Coulthard, Verstappen and Larini.
First podium for Katayama!
Unrejectification for Beretta
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One for tonight before I get drunk! :)

1995

Johnny Herbert 259 (6 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds)
David Coulthard 218 (8 wins, 1 2nd)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 171 (5 2nds, 3 3rds)
Olivier Panis 152 (1 win, 5 3rds)
Mark Blundell 129 (2 2nds, 3 3rds)
Eddie Irvine 108 (3 2nds, 2 4ths)
Rubens Barrichello 99 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mika Salo 94 (1 3rd, 3 4ths)
Martin Brundle 77 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Jean-Christophe Boullion 49 (1 3rd, 2 5ths)
Gianni Morbidelli 48 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
Luca Badoer 35 (2 6ths) - that's an insane amount of points for him!
Aguri Suzuki 32 (2 4ths)
Pedro Lamy 32 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Pedro Diniz 28 (2 6ths) - an insane amount of points for a Forti driver!!!
Pierluigi Martini 26 (1 4th)
Ukyo Katayama 25 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Andrea Montermini 20 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Taki Inoue 14 (2 7ths)
Domenico Schiatterella 10 (1 5th)
Max Papis 10 (1 6th)
Jan Magnussen 8 (1 6th)
Bertrand Gachot 6 (1 7th)
Karl Wendlinger 5 (1 8th) - completely forgot he drove in 1995, I though his Monaco '94 crash ended his career!
Jos Verstappen 2 (1 9th)

Superior finishing wins it for Herbert. Indeed under this system it was comfortable for him as he was secured champion with a round to spare, so Coulthard's pit-lane crash in Adelaide was actually irrelevant. Impressed by Salo's total too given his machinery!

First podiums for Salo and Boullion.
Unrejectification for Badoer, Montermini and Lamy

Moreno, Tarquini and sadly Johnny Carwash and Jean-Denis Deletraz all fail to score. :(
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Let me get this right-Diniz finishes ahead of Katayama and Martini?!?!?!?! :shock:
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Phoenix wrote:Let me get this right-Diniz finishes ahead of Katayama and Martini?!?!?!?! :shock:


Martini only did half the season before being replaced by Lamy so that was a disadvantage to him (Martini and Lamy's combined total is well ahead of Badoer in the other car). Katayama only finished four races the whole year! Diniz finished a lot in races of attrition which became good points finishes with the champions taken out, such as Brazil, Monaco and Australia. I couldn't believe it myself! :)
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I've done the next one now anyway:

1996

Jacques Villeneuve 295 (11 wins)
Rubens Barrichello 137 (4 2nds, 3 3rds)
Olivier Panis 133 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
David Coulthard 131 (5 2nds, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 123 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Mika Salo 104 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Eddie Irvine 101 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 94 (2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Pedro Diniz 73 (3 3rds)
Ukyo Katayama 55 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Ricardo Rosset 54 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Pedro Lamy 48 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Jos Verstappen 36 (1 4th)
Giancarlo Fisichella 20 (1 4th)
Luca Badoer 16 (1 5th)
Giovanni Lavaggi 9 (1 6th)
Andrea Montermini 6 (1 7th)

Sometimes it's ridiculously easy to win a championship for a rookie stepping straight into a front-running team when all the main competition is ineligible. Would have been close if you could have removed JV from the results, but in this he is never beaten on merit, he only failed to win when he hit trouble.

Again very impressed with Salo in relation to his machinery and his first win (Brazil) is also Tyrrell's last, I'm pretty certain. Brundle also wins his very last race before his retirement in Japan.

First podium for Diniz, and unrejectification for Rosset and he easily beats Verstappen too through superior finishing.

In the second half of the season there were some races with only 13 eligible cars (10 teams left after Forti pulled out, Lavaggi sometimes DNQing, and 6 ex-champions still racing but removed from the results). Only Portugal had 10 classified eligible finishers!
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I'm not sure if maybe you've already mentioned this and I didn't read it correctly, but do all results count in this, or do you stick to the result-discounting rules in the seasons where they applied in reality?
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This is awesome - Salo ahead of Irvine, who was driving a Ferrari! And Rosset finishing ahead of Verstappen - I definately didn't expect that! And Panis ahead of Coulthard!
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Waris wrote:I'm not sure if maybe you've already mentioned this and I didn't read it correctly, but do all results count in this, or do you stick to the result-discounting rules in the seasons where they applied in reality?


I'm doing it as all scores to count, becuase I wanted to make the points-scoring system completely as it is this year. I never liked the dropped scores thing they did pre-1991 anyway. I'll have to check through the 80s again and see if it makes any difference to the champions though!
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Actually, I don't think it does come to think of it, the only thing is it would put Boutsen further behind Berger in 1988. Anyway I've done the next one.

1997

Heinz-Harald Frentzen 227 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 3 3rds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 186 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 4 3rds)
David Coulthard 182 (4 wins, 2 2nds)
Eddie Irvine 158 (1 win, 5 2nds)
Olivier Panis 126 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Ralf Schumacher 115 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Jarno Trulli 100 (1 win, 1 3rd) - 30 for Minardi, 70 for Prost, sadly for Minardi fans the win was for Prost!!
Shinji Nakano 84 (1 2nd, 2 3rds) - that's going to please somebody! :)
Mika Salo 69 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Pedro Diniz 61 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Gianni Morbidelli 52 (2 4ths)
Jos Verstappen 46 (2 5ths)
Jan Magnussen 40 (2 5ths)
Nicola Larini 37 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th)
Ukyo Katayama 36 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Rubens Barrichello 31 (1 win, 1 8th) - he barely finished a race apart from Monaco!
Alex Wurz 25 (1 win)
Norberto Fontana 22 (1 4th)
Tarso Marques 17 (1 6th, 1 7th)

Panis was actaully leading until his Montreal crash, but his and Trulli's points in his absence are still less than Frentzen's. There's Salo punching above his weight yet again!

First wins for Fisichella, Wurz, Trulli and Ralf, and the Stewart team at Monaco.
First podium (and unrejectification easily) for Nakano. Magnussen and Fontana are also unrejectified.

Now before I continue, I have an important question about 1998 as I've worked out in my head, and it does make a difference to that year's champion.

I'm taking all the results from http://www.formula1.com and the results for Spa here http://www.formula1.com/results/season/1998/176/ say that Coulthard finished 7th but only completed 39 laps which I believe is less than 90% of race distance. Is it correct that he's classified? I do remember he did finish the race as they repaired the back of his car after the Schumacher incident, while the safety car was out. That 7th will become a 4th when you take out Hill, Alesi and Frentzen!
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Surprise here - Fisichella ahead of Coulthard.
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I found the rule I needed when I looked through the regulations, it's rule 45.2: "Cars having covered less than 90% of the number of laps covered by the winner (rounded down to the nearest whole number of laps) will not be classified".

I trust the rule was the same in 1998, so DC's classification in Spa when he completed 39 out of 44 laps is correct, with 90% of 44 being 39.6, it gets rounded down to 39 laps to be classified, not rounded up to 40.

Anyway, the results are as follows:

1998

David Coulthard 260 (8 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Eddie Irvine 257 (5 wins, 6 2nds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 182 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 6 3rds)
Alex Wurz 166 (5 2nds, 2 3rds)
Ralf Schumacher 129 (1 win, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
Rubens Barrichello 67 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jarno Trulli 65 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Olivier Panis 60 (1 4th, 2 5ths)
Shinji Nakano 60 (3 5ths, 2 6ths)
Tora Takagi 53 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Pedro Diniz 48 (1 2nd, 2 4ths)
Mika Salo 37 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Jan Magnussen 28 (2 5ths)
Esteban Tuero 23 (1 4th, 1 6th)
Jos Verstappen 20 (1 6th, 2 7ths)
Ricardo Rosset 20 (3 7ths)

A DNF for Coulthard in Spa would have given the title to Irvine, so luckily for him they repaired his car and sent him back out! (That's why it was so important). The two Japanese drivers are the standouts here in terms of position, beating both Arrows drivers and the combined total for the second Stewart was quite a feat (and Nakano tied on points with Panis but losing on best result). Salo suffers on this occasion!

Unrejectification for Takagi and Tuero.
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Two years in one go as I'd done two versions of 1999, one if Coulthard was the 1998 champ, and one if Irvine was, due to me being unsure of the Spa 98 result!

This one is the official one now:

1999

Eddie Irvine 323 (10 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Ralf Schumacher 213 (2 wins, 6 2nds, 3 3rds)
Rubens Barrichello 174 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 122 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Alex Wurz 113 (1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Jarno Trulli 102 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Mika Salo 94 (2 2nds, 2 3rds) - 27 for BAR, 67 for Ferrari
Olivier Panis 81 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Marc Gene 68 (2 4ths, 2 5ths)
Alex Zanardi 54 (1 4th, 3 5ths)
Pedro Diniz 52 (2 3rds)
Luca Badoer 34 (1 4th)
Ricardo Zonta 29 (3 6ths)
Pedro De La Rosa 27 (1 5th, 2 7ths)
Tora Takagi 22 (1 5th, 1 6th)

The magic 300 points barrier is broken for the first time as Irvine only DNFs once. Very amused by Gene beating Zanardi (and Diniz for that matter)!

With 8 ex-champions (Alesi, Michael Schumacher, Hill, Hakkinen, Herbert, Villeneuve, Frentzen and Coulthard) all still racing in 1999 there are only 14-car fields, 15 for the races where Salo drove for Ferrari when Schumacher was injured. Finishing virtually guarantees points!

Incidentally, the alternative championship which I did for Irvine being 98 champ instead of Coulthard was actually won by Ralf Schumacher, becuase Coulthard had too many retirements, and a lot less to gain than Ralf from the exclusion of all the ex-champs! :)
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And one more for tonight:

2000

Rubens Barrichello 325 (13 wins)
Ralf Schumacher 173 (3 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd)
Mika Salo 158 (1 2nd, 6 3rds) (!!!!)
Giancarlo Fisichella 154 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Jenson Button 138 (5 2nds, 3 4ths)
Alex Wurz 119 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Ricardo Zonta 107 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jarno Trulli 105 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Pedro Diniz 100 (2 3rds, 2 4ths)
Jos Verstappen 67 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Marc Gene 52 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Gaston Mazzacane 49 (1 5th)
Pedro De La Rosa 46 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Nick Heidfeld 39 (2 4ths)
Luciano Burti 6 (1 7th)

Probably the easiest championship yet - Rubens had it secured after Hungary. He won every race he finished.

Salo really deserves one of these championships given how many points he seems to get in all of the sh*tboxes he had to drive (apart from the 1999 Ferrari) - to beat a Williams, a Jordan, a BAR and both Benettons is some achievement (all down to finishing lots of races in the points).

First podiums for Button, Zonta and De La Rosa.
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2001

Ralf Schumacher 222 (6 wins, 4 2nds)
Nick Heidfeld 174 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 4 3rds)
Kimi Raikkonen 152 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Juan Pablo Montoya 137 (5 wins)
Olivier Panis 135 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Jarno Trulli 125 (1 win, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Jos Verstappen 122 (2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 110 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jenson Button 102 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Luciano Burti 76 (2 4ths, 2 5ths)
Pedro De La Rosa 75 (3 3rds)
Enrique Bernoldi 61 (1 3rd, 3 5ths)
Fernando Alonso 38 (1 6ths)
Tarso Marques 31 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Ricardo Zonta 12 (1 4th)
Gaston Mazzacane 8 (1 6th)
Tomas Enge 8 (2 8ths)
Alex Yoong 1 (1 10th)

With both Ferrari and McLaren drivers out, it should always have gone to a Williams driver, but not only did Montoya have too many retirements to challenge Ralf, with this points system it put him behind the Saubers too! Indeed for much of the first half of the year, one of the Sauber drivers led until Ralf established himself in the lead from Hockenheim onwards.

First wins for Heidfeld, Raikkonen and Button (!!!) - Button's win was Monaco by the way, he was 7th on the road behind 6 ex-champions!

First podium for Bernoldi, and unrejectification for him too, along with Burti, Bernoldi, Marques and Mazzacane. :)

Also I played out what would have happened the following years if Irvine had won 1998 instead of Coulthard - it would all have evened itself out by the end of '01 as the same four drivers win those four years but in a different order - Irv in '98, Ralf in '99, DC in '00 and Rubens in '01.
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I feel like a lot of people are getting a bit sick of these alternative championships by now, so I'll try and get these last few years rushed through asap! :)

2002

Juan Pablo Montoya 285 (9 wins, 3 2nds)
Nick Heidfeld 171 (2 2nds, 3 3rds, plus lots of 4ths and 5ths! :) )
Jenson Button 164 (1 win, 4 2nds, 2 3rds)
Kimi Raikkonen 149 (5 wins, 1 2nd)
Jarno Trulli 125 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Giancarlo Fisichella 113 (4 2nds, 1 3rd)
Felipe Massa 107 (5 3rds)
Mika Salo 101 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Takuma Sato 85 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Mark Webber 72 (1 3rd, 2 5ths)
Olivier Panis 71 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Pedro De La Rosa 62 (2 4ths)
Allan McNish 55 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Alex Yoong 26 (1 5th, 1 7th)
Enrique Bernoldi 12 (1 6th)

The big surprise here is not who wins, but who is runner-up. Can anyone remember anything notable Heidfeld did in 2002 (apart from his massive crash with Sato in Austria)? His 2002 review on this site is testament to this. He finished nearly every race though, so gets good points nearly all the time.

The only other driver who had the car to challenge Montoya was Kimi, but he only finished in 6 races (and classified in one more), which really costs you in this.

Also Mark Webber in a Minardi beats some much faster cars too (a BAR and Jaguar)!

First podiums for Massa, McNish (and the Toyota team), and Webber and Sato in their respective home races. Yoong just fails to unrejectify himself.
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As I said, I'm probably rushing through these now:

2003

Kimi Raikkonen 304 (10 wins, 3 2nds)
Fernando Alonso 214 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds)
Jarno Trulli 166 (1 win, 3 2nds, 3 3rds)
Mark Webber 137 (2 2nds, 5 3rds)
Jenson Button 130 (2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Cristiano da Matta 127 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Nick Heidfeld 108 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Olivier Panis 74 (2 3rds, 2 4ths)
Giancarlo Fisichella 65 (1 win, 1 4th)
Ralph Firman 53 (1 4th, 3 6ths)
Jos Verstappen 46 (2 5ths)
Antonio Pizzonia 44 (1 4th, 2 5ths) (Webber still had more than double his points by the time Jaguar sacked him!)
Justin Wilson 34 (1 5th, 2 7ths) (22 for Minardi, 12 for Jaguar)
Marc Gene 18 (1 2nd)
Nicolas Kiesa 14 (3 8ths)
Takuma Sato 12 (1 4th)
HWNSNBM 6 (1 7th)

With the change in points system from 2003 being a lot closer to the 2010 system than previous years, there's very little of note here. (Maybe the most significant thing it how much Da Matta outscores his teammate by!). And HWNSNBM scoring points of course. ;-)

Alonso's first win was at his home race, rather than Hungary.

First podium for Gene and unrejectification for Firman and Pizzonia (though he was still rubbish!) :)
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2004

Jenson Button 329 (10 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Fernando Alonso 239 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 3 3rds)
Jarno Trulli 210 (2 wins, 5 2nds, 2 3rds) - 192 for Renault, 18 for Toyota
Giancarlo Fisichella 192 (3 2nds, 7 4ths) (!!!!)
Takuma Sato 169 (1 win, 3 2nds, 4 3rds)
Felipe Massa 137 (1 win, 2 3rds)
Mark Webber 100 (2 3rds)
Christian Klien 80 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Olivier Panis 77 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Nick Heidfeld 50 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Cristiano Da Matta 44 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Antonio Pizzonia 39 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
HWNSNBM 31 (1 4th, 1 6th) - savour it!!
Timo Glock 22 (1 3rd)
Ricardo Zonta 22 (2 6ths)
Marc Gene 16 (1 5th)
Giorgio Pantano 5 (2 9ths) - oh dear!
Gianmaria Bruni 3 (3 10ths) - double oh dear!!!

Again, everyone is roughly where you'd expect them to be in relation to their cars' competitveness but the best thing here is seeing how many more points HWNSNBM scores than his teammate!! :D

First wins for Sato and Massa. First podiums for Klien, Pizzonia and Glock (on his debut in a Jordan no less!). Unrejectification for you know who!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". :) (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship

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I am definitely savouring it, and it's delicious!
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Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship

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2005

Fernando Alonso 384 (13 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Giancarlo Fisichella 221 (2 wins, 6 2nds, 3 3rds) - that's what you call a dead-beat teammate!
Jarno Trulli 203 (1 win, 4 2nds, 4 3rds)
Mark Webber 169 (3 2nds, 3 3rds)
Felipe Massa 166 (1 win, 1 3rd, 3 4ths)
Christian Klien 131 (3 3rds, 6 4ths)
Tiago Monteiro 123 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Nick Heidfeld 122 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Takuma Sato 76 (3 4ths)
Narain Karthikeyan 74 (1 2nd, 2 6ths)
Christijan Albers 60 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Robert Doornbos 23 (1 6th, 1 7th)
Antonio Pizzonia 20 (1 4th)
Patrick Friesacher 19 (1 4th)
Alex Wurz 18 (1 2nd)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 18 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Pedro De La Rosa 15 (1 3rd)

What's odd about that to me is that Webber still fails to win a race in a Williams!

Only the Jordans and Minardis compete at Indy!

Liuzzi unrejectifies himself in his first 4 races, so do Albers and Friesacher due to Indy.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". :) (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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Re: Another slightly different Alternative championship

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Nice result for Monteiro, another podium place apart from Indy in the Jordan.
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