2010 Korean GP Discussion thread

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:33

Wizzie wrote:
Valrys wrote:I like Webber, but I don't think I'll ever forgive him for taking out Rosberg

Me neither... I mean Nico could have easily finished 1st or 2nd had he not been collected by Mark.

Given Alonso's pitstop problem I think he would have won (meaning the description of IIDOTR would have to be changed again)

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:34

Wizzie wrote:
Valrys wrote:I like Webber, but I don't think I'll ever forgive him for taking out Rosberg

Me neither... I mean Nico could have easily finished 1st or 2nd had he not been collected by Mark.

True, he was ahead of Hamilton, and Hamilton was AHEAD of Alonso at one point......

Odds of 40/1 as well..... :cry:

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:36

Valrys wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Valrys wrote:I like Webber, but I don't think I'll ever forgive him for taking out Rosberg

Me neither... I mean Nico could have easily finished 1st or 2nd had he not been collected by Mark.

True, he was ahead of Hamilton, and Hamilton was AHEAD of Alonso at one point......

Odds of 40/1 as well.....

Oh wow, you'd have made out really well.

This is why I don't bet on sports though. Just because something could, or even should, happen, does not mean it ever will.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:37

Valrys wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Valrys wrote:I like Webber, but I don't think I'll ever forgive him for taking out Rosberg

Me neither... I mean Nico could have easily finished 1st or 2nd had he not been collected by Mark.

True, he was ahead of Hamilton, and Hamilton was AHEAD of Alonso at one point......

Odds of 40/1 as well.....

As I said... it's a good think I'm not a betting man.

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:40

This was the first time I've bet since Brazil last year as well.....and in that race 2 of the 3 drivers DNF'd. On the first lap.

Anyone want me to throw some bad luck in any particular drivers direction by betting on them?

Post by **mario** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:40

Myrvold wrote:Well, you cannot blame this on Virgin, but on DiGrassi and Buemi. Glock looked to be set for a good finish here.

Glock was potentially on for an excellent finishing position, as he was running 12th at the time, and was at least on Heikki's pace, if not slightly better. That wasn't the first time that Buemi hit someone else either, having clipped Trulli quite hard earlier in the race, so it wasn't too surprising that he ended up binning it in the end.
Sutil, too, had a very up and down day - ok, he passed the Sauber's countless times, but couldn't make it stick as he would end up throwing away his position soon afterwards. He tried some very clumsy moves - such as his lunge up the inside of Button, which could have so easily gone wrong had Button not spotted him in time - and, again, it was no great surprise that he ended up hitting Kobayashi and taking himself out (although it was surprising that Kobayashi was able to continue at full speed despite the impact).

All in all, it took a long time to get going, but once it did, there were quite a few unexpected twists along the way. That engine failure for Vettel might not just hurt him here, but in the final two races as well, depending on whether he has to take a fresh engine and the ten place penalty that goes with it. At the very least, he is now badly on the back foot - in theory, if Vettel was to win the final two races, but Alonso finished third twice, it would still be possible for Alonso to win the title (depending heavily on what happened to Webber, of course).

Brundle did make a good point, though, about how costly Webber's mistake was - had he finished in the top 4 (achievable because Schumacher was quite some way back at the end), he would still be leading (just) the championship, and he would have been more then one race win clear of Vettel. That, surely, would have forced Red Bull to throw everything at Webber to secure the title, because it would be hard for Vettel to make up that sort of deficit. It was a shame that in the process Webber had to take Rosberg out, as he could well have shaken things up even further (I agree that a win for Rosberg was not entirely out of the question, although Alonso's tyre management, which meant that he was several seconds a lap faster then everybody at the end, might have got him ahead at the end).

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:41

Valrys wrote:This was the first time I've bet since Brazil last year as well.....and in that race 2 of the 3 drivers DNF'd. On the first lap.

Anyone want me to throw some bad luck in any particular drivers direction by betting on them?

Put a fiver on Vettel for me :mrgreen:

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 24 Oct 2010, 09:54

Valrys wrote:This was the first time I've bet since Brazil last year as well.....and in that race 2 of the 3 drivers DNF'd. On the first lap.

Anyone want me to throw some bad luck in any particular drivers direction by betting on them?

I'd like a tenner each way on Vettel and Alonso thanks.

Post by **mario** » 24 Oct 2010, 10:06

Valrys wrote:This was the first time I've bet since Brazil last year as well.....and in that race 2 of the 3 drivers DNF'd. On the first lap.

Anyone want me to throw some bad luck in any particular drivers direction by betting on them?

If you're willing to throw good money after bad, you might as well bet on all of the top 5 drivers, as I wouldn't mind seeing somebody else, like Kubica or Rosberg, taking an unexpected win.

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 24 Oct 2010, 10:38

The BBC make the last 15 laps of the race unavailable on both TV and radio on the BBC iplayer.

Aaargghhhhhhhhhh!!!

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 24 Oct 2010, 10:47

Thank all of you for the laughs you've given me in the last few minutes.

Page 13 of the thread is particularly hilarious. :lol:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 24 Oct 2010, 10:49

A couple of interesting things:
- The battle between Force India and Williams for 6th in the Chmapionship is getting ever more interesting. They are now separated by only 3 points!
- Heidfeld followed Kobayashi home in the points for the second race in a row. Pedro de la Who?
- Heidfeld now has as many points as de la Rosa.
- Despite coming in 12th and Schumacher's 4th place, Button still has more points than the Merc drivers put together. That gives some perspective.
- Barrichello and Sutil are equal on points. Kobayashi follows, not that far behind.
- Petrov really is costing Renault a lot. I think the sort-of-French team may have said goodbye to any chance of beating Mercedes to the 4th place in the Championship.
- Hulkenberg is one point away from overtaking Petrov.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 24 Oct 2010, 10:55

I'm going to be short:

DAMN YOU, Buemi for taking Glock out! He was on verge of scoring POINTS!

coops · Post by **coops** » 24 Oct 2010, 11:02

Im glad Sutil crashed out, hed been trying all afternoon.

I felt a bit sorry for Vettel, a new experience for me.

MSC was impressive.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 24 Oct 2010, 11:51

And then there were three... and from three different teams, too!

coops · Post by **coops** » 24 Oct 2010, 11:57

Paul Hayes wrote:And then there were three... and from three different teams, too!

Three? Four surely? Hamilton, Alonso, Webber and Vettel? RBR wont give up on Vettel. Im not saying they'll sabotage Webber but they've already come out and said they wont favour him (that from the Not Shocking News Desk!).

Post by **mario** » 24 Oct 2010, 12:35

Shizuka wrote:I'm going to be short:

DAMN YOU, Buemi for taking Glock out! He was on verge of scoring POINTS!

It's a real shame that Buemi was so hot headed today, and it is perhaps scant consolation that he will receive a five place grid penalty for crashing into Glock. Meanwhile, Sutil has also received a five place penalty for Brazil for crashing into Kobayashi, and an additional $10,000 fine "in view of the driver's admission that he was aware of brake problems with his car throughout the race", to quote from the article here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87715

Basically, the latter refers to the fact that, post race, Sutil admitted that the reason he had gone off track so many times under braking was because he had a brake problem that caused his brakes to lock up throughout the race. As such, the stewards have presumably taken the view that he should have retired the car instead of risking an accident by continuing to drive on.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Oct 2010, 13:58

Debaser wrote:The BBC make the last 15 laps of the race unavailable on both TV and radio on the BBC iplayer.

Aaargghhhhhhhhhh!!!

It moved to BBC 2, and will be available to watch again on iPlayer soon.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 24 Oct 2010, 15:14

mario wrote:
Shizuka wrote:I'm going to be short:

DAMN YOU, Buemi for taking Glock out! He was on verge of scoring POINTS!

It's a real shame that Buemi was so hot headed today, and it is perhaps scant consolation that he will receive a five place grid penalty for crashing into Glock. Meanwhile, Sutil has also received a five place penalty for Brazil for crashing into Kobayashi, and an additional $10,000 fine "in view of the driver's admission that he was aware of brake problems with his car throughout the race", to quote from the article here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87715

Basically, the latter refers to the fact that, post race, Sutil admitted that the reason he had gone off track so many times under braking was because he had a brake problem that caused his brakes to lock up throughout the race. As such, the stewards have presumably taken the view that he should have retired the car instead of risking an accident by continuing to drive on.

The Stewards could have investigated the reasons for Sutil's various offs by talking to the team or listening to the team radio, (he must have reported it back). It doesn't seem right that a driver can be penalised for struggling on with a recalcitrant vehicle. Or maybe it's just another part of the sanitisation of modern F1.
Perhaps they will next demand access to the telemetry "as it happens" & can thus black flag any car which shows the tiniest defect.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 24 Oct 2010, 15:37

No

I watched this race on tape delay due to some irl-commitments and I gotta say that when I saw Webber spin, my heart sank, and I went hoping Hamilton would idiot his way into Fernando's sidepod. But no. and then Vettel's engine blows up. And the ONE thing I do NOT want to happen, happens...

FERNANDO bathplug CHEATING SCUM BASTARD WHO DESERVES TO BE SHOT DRAWN AND QUARTERED, THEN SHOT AGAIN AND DROWNED WINS THE bathplug RACE AND GETS INTO THE LEAD.

bathplug hell. and all this Vettel hate here? bathplug you. You'd rather have Alonso win another title? Go bathplug yourselves. I don't give a flying bathplug if its Webber, Vettel or Hamilton who wins the title (yes, EVEN HAMILTON) as long as its not bathplug Alonso. So anyone who cheered when Vettels engine blew? Go drown yourselves.

Family friendly forums my ass, im sick and tired of alonso winning and feel like venting. So sue me.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 24 Oct 2010, 16:14

Wow DonTirri, what a rant. These forums wouldn't be the same without you my friend

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 24 Oct 2010, 16:19

I find it funny with all this Massa-bashing under wet condition. Through 2007 and 2008 he was the driver with the most points in wet races!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Oct 2010, 16:22

DonTirri wrote:bathplug hell. and all this Vettel hate here? bathplug you. You'd rather have Alonso win another title? Go bathplug yourselves. I don't give a flying bathplug if its Webber, Vettel or Hamilton who wins the title (yes, EVEN HAMILTON) as long as its not bathplug Alonso. So anyone who cheered when Vettels engine blew? Go drown yourselves.

Oh, so it's alright for you to curse Alonso to hell and back, but none of us can go against Vettel, is that how it is? I don't like Alonso, but yelling at him and Ferrari for what happened in Germany is like yelling at HRT for being slow. We all knew it was going to happen and anyone who thought otherwise was kidding themselves. Then again, it would also be like yelling at you for your vitriol-fulled posts - it's just what you do.

And with that said, I'm getting out of here before I get torched by a flamethrower.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 24 Oct 2010, 16:33

Well what a waste of a GP. I live in North America, which meant that I set my taper for 1:00 AM, for the usual two hours. F*** the marshalls for delaying the GP for 45 F***ING MINUTES.

Oh well. At least Vettel's engine exploded.

Too bad Webber went off and took out Rosberg while doing so.

At least Massa made the podium.
Hopefully the next track won't have a farce debut like this.

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 24 Oct 2010, 16:42

JeremyMcClean wrote:Well what a waste of a GP. I live in North America, which meant that I set my taper for 1:00 AM, for the usual two hours. F*** the marshalls for delaying the GP for 45 F***ING MINUTES.

Welcome to the European experience of watching Indycar and NASCAR races!

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 24 Oct 2010, 16:43

P_Friesacher wrote:Welcome to the European experience of watching Indycar and NASCAR races!

Hmm? I don't watch NASCAR. That's for fat americans.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 24 Oct 2010, 17:19

And skinny norwegians it seems

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 24 Oct 2010, 17:19

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
DonTirri wrote:bathplug hell. and all this Vettel hate here? bathplug you. You'd rather have Alonso win another title? Go bathplug yourselves. I don't give a flying bathplug if its Webber, Vettel or Hamilton who wins the title (yes, EVEN HAMILTON) as long as its not bathplug Alonso. So anyone who cheered when Vettels engine blew? Go drown yourselves.

Oh, so it's alright for you to curse Alonso to hell and back, but none of us can go against Vettel, is that how it is? I don't like Alonso, but yelling at him and Ferrari for what happened in Germany is like yelling at HRT for being slow. We all knew it was going to happen and anyone who thought otherwise was kidding themselves. Then again, it would also be like yelling at you for your vitriol-fulled posts - it's just what you do.

And with that said, I'm getting out of here before I get torched by a flamethrower.

Let me put it this way: I've disliked Alonso for YEARS. I've disliked Ferrari for YEARS (Thus my dilemma when Kimi drove for them). I am not yelling at Alonso or Ferrari for germany. I KNEW it was gonna happen. Unlike the majority of this forum, I am atleast liking the guys I liked last year and hating the guys I hated last year. So excuse me if I keep rooting for Vettel, while the rest of you go to the Seb hate Bandwagon.

And, to be more precise: I didn't lash out at you people for going against Vettel. I lashed out because you failed to recognize the fact that Vettel's misfortune meant that the no.1 hated guy in F1 at the moment (The opinion of the braindead tifosi is not asked) got ANOTHER WIN HE DIDN'T DESERVE.

Seriously. I don't care even if it is Hamilton who wins the title. as long as it ain't Alonso.

But on a more calmer note: I'd say it was a far better race than I expected. The rain really did spice it up, and the circuit itself didn't look half bad. I'll hold off my final judgement to next year, or rather, the first dry race we have on the circuit. But as it stand's now, Atleast it's better than Borerain or Borencia.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 24 Oct 2010, 17:25

DonTirri wrote:And, to be more precise: I didn't lash out at you people for going against Vettel. I lashed out because you failed to recognize the fact that Vettel's misfortune meant that the no.1 hated guy in F1 at the moment (The opinion of the braindead tifosi is not asked) got ANOTHER WIN HE DIDN'T DESERVE.

I'd imagine Vettel, Schumacher and Hamilton are at least as hated as Alonso. And even if he was on balance, the most hated guy, it's up to us individually to hate and like who we do.

And if Alonso didn't deserve the win who did? Webber certainly didn't. Maybe Vettel did, but Red Bull didn't if they can't keep their cars reliable - how often does someone's engine go these days? Not very. Another race, another day they didn't turn their speed into a race win.

Over the season luck, in general, will balance out. If Webber wins the title - he'll deserve it for being strong where Vettel cracked. If Vettel wins - he'll deserve it for being the fastest. If Alonso wins - he'll deserve it for his recent form and staying on the road when the Red Bulls and Hamilton couldn't.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 24 Oct 2010, 17:31

JeremyMcClean wrote:
P_Friesacher wrote:Welcome to the European experience of watching Indycar and NASCAR races!

Hmm? I don't watch NASCAR. That's for fat americans.

WELL EXCUSE ME JEREMY CLARKSON.

Also, DonTirri: Thanks for keeping it real.

coops · Post by **coops** » 24 Oct 2010, 18:13

Hated? I hate. You hate. We hate. Hate hate hate. I dont want him to win because I hate him. Im glad he crashed because I hate him.

You sound like a bunch of dicks, are you all twelve years old?

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 24 Oct 2010, 18:15

Enforcer wrote:
I'd imagine Vettel, Schumacher and Hamilton are at least as hated as Alonso. And even if he was on balance, the most hated guy, it's up to us individually to hate and like who we do.

That's the funny point. Schuey-hate has died down while he was away. Hamilton-hate still exists (I for one still don't like him one bit) but is not as prominent as in 08-09 and Vettel-hate... that is just a stupid bandwagon. This time last year the majority of you were slagging Button and cheering Vettel. Hell, Vettel has gone from the most liked guy to one of the most hated. Try to make up your minds will ya? On a sidenote, both Alonso and Ferrari have remained on the most hated list all thorough the years. Thus my comment on Alonso being the most hated overrall. Oh and why is Vettel disliked again? That's the point I've totally missed. What'd he do?

And if Alonso didn't deserve the win who did? Webber certainly didn't. Maybe Vettel did, but Red Bull didn't if they can't keep their cars reliable - how often does someone's engine go these days? Not very. Another race, another day they didn't turn their speed into a race win.

I agree, Webber didn't deserve it as he has nobody but himself to blame. Vettel deserved it. Just like he deserved Bahrain, as it was technical woes that took it away from him. Alonso did NOT deserve it. Hell, he didn't even try to challenge Seb in the race, barely even got close enough to try, He was just cruising along all race, when in singapore when the roles were reversed Seb actually TRIED. But no, Mr. "im faster than you do you get the message?" just cruised along and snatched another win he didn't even try to take by driving.

Over the season luck, in general, will balance out. If Webber wins the title - he'll deserve it for being strong where Vettel cracked. If Vettel wins - he'll deserve it for being the fastest. If Alonso wins - he'll deserve it for his recent form and staying on the road when the Red Bulls and Hamilton couldn't.

Balance out? Vettel has been struck with all the RBR bad luck. iirc, Webber has zero mechanical or technical retirements. The way I see it is this: Webber wins the title: He deserves it because he didn't crack but also because he had better luck. If Vettel wins he deserves it simply because he did it despite lady luck throwing all the mechanical gremlins his way. If Hamilton wins it, my hats off to him, he's finally grown up. And if Alonso wins it... Then the first guy who says he deserves the win gets torn a new one by me.

Call me harsh or rude or whatthehellever, but anyone who says Alonso deserves anything is a brainless idiot who should be sterilized so he can't procreate said idiocy further.

Oh and coops: I say hate because that is the feeling I have. And dislike is not the word I feel like using when I'm ticked off.
and besides, yes. I am a dick. And an ass. And everything inbetween. So sue me.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 24 Oct 2010, 18:39

DonTirri wrote:That's the funny point. Schuey-hate has died down while he was away. Hamilton-hate still exists (I for one still don't like him one bit) but is not as prominent as in 08-09 and Vettel-hate... that is just a stupid bandwagon. This time last year the majority of you were slagging Button and cheering Vettel. Hell, Vettel has gone from the most liked guy to one of the most hated. Try to make up your minds will ya? On a sidenote, both Alonso and Ferrari have remained on the most hated list all thorough the years. Thus my comment on Alonso being the most hated overrall. Oh and why is Vettel disliked again? That's the point I've totally missed. What'd he do?

Schumacher hate - It has? You've not noticed the gleeful manner in which he's panned as ROTR on his worse days. Tell you what. Go on YouTube and look for clips from the early 1994 season, and see how many people still come damned close to implying that Schumacher is responsible for Senna dying.

Hamilton hate - Maybe this has died down a bit, primarily because Hamilton's STFUd a bit. But he still got a lot of stick for whinging about the team like a spoiled child at the start of the season.

Vettel hate - Comes from the fact that he's let his F1 golden boy status go to his head and looked like a brat with a entitlement complex during his battles with Webber earlier in the season.

DonTirri wrote:I agree, Webber didn't deserve it as he has nobody but himself to blame. Vettel deserved it. Just like he deserved Bahrain, as it was technical woes that took it away from him. Alonso did NOT deserve it. Hell, he didn't even try to challenge Seb in the race, barely even got close enough to try, He was just cruising along all race, when in singapore when the roles were reversed Seb actually TRIED. But no, Mr. "im faster than you do you get the message?" just cruised along and snatched another win he didn't even try to take by driving.

Has it occured to you that the reason he didn't get close to Vettel is because Vettel has the best car on the grid, and by rights, RBR shouldn't be giving anyone a look in?

If speed is just a case of trying then Bruno Senna and Sakon Yamamoto are the two laziest feckers on the grid.

DonTirri wrote:Balance out? Vettel has been struck with all the RBR bad luck. iirc, Webber has zero mechanical or technical retirements. The way I see it is this: Webber wins the title: He deserves it because he didn't crack but also because he had better luck. If Vettel wins he deserves it simply because he did it despite lady luck throwing all the mechanical gremlins his way. If Hamilton wins it, my hats off to him, he's finally grown up. And if Alonso wins it... Then the first guy who says he deserves the win gets torn a new one by me.

Oh no, please don't do that. :lol:

You also don't see the fundamental problem with saying Webber deserves if he gets it because he had "better luck" than Vettel, but not Alonso if he wins it, I take it.

DonTirri wrote:Call me harsh or rude or whatthehellever, but anyone who says Alonso deserves anything is a brainless idiot who should be sterilized so he can't procreate said idiocy further.

No I won't call you harsh or rude. I'll just laugh.

coops · Post by **coops** » 24 Oct 2010, 18:47

DonTirri wrote:Oh and coops: I say hate because that is the feeling I have. And dislike is not the word I feel like using when I'm ticked off.
and besides, yes. I am a dick. And an ass. And everything inbetween. So sue me.

You missed out 'immature'.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 24 Oct 2010, 19:04

DonTirri wrote:Let me put it this way: I've disliked Alonso for YEARS. I've disliked Ferrari for YEARS (Thus my dilemma when Kimi drove for them). I am not yelling at Alonso or Ferrari for germany. I KNEW it was gonna happen. Unlike the majority of this forum, I am atleast liking the guys I liked last year and hating the guys I hated last year. So excuse me if I keep rooting for Vettel, while the rest of you go to the Seb hate Bandwagon.

I've always hated Vettel and I always will. I thought he was lucky in Italy '08. Don't get me wrong, Red Bull is awesome, but when you have a stupid, girly and annoying driver like Vettel, I was glad Vettel lost. I wasn't glad when bathplug alonso won. I'd rather have Massa win!

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 24 Oct 2010, 19:12

(Not gonna quote as it be one big quotefest but this is to Enforcer)

So you are saying that a guy who doesn't even try to win races but simply settles to cruising along hoping the quicker guys fall off deserves the title? The Webber/Alonso luck-comparison has one point to it that makes it moot: Mark has been earning wins left and right while Alonso has just whined, trundled along and gotten wins gifted to him left and right. Singapore is the only win he actually earned by driving (And Vettel did actually try to race him instead of settling toh is position as second)

And seriously, what bratty things has Vettel done? Taken a better wing when the team gives it to him? overreacting in a heat of the moment manner after a crash? The fact is Vettel is by and far the quickest guy in the grid at the moment, with awful luck (The Räikkönen-syndrome I'd daresay) and I sincerely feel he is getting unjustified amounts of flak for mistakes he does. The Turkey one was 50-50, and the Spa-crash was a lot less stupid than Webbers Valencia stunt. Or Hamiltons moves in Monza and Singapore. Or the Germany move by Ferrari.

Now the way the team treats Webber? Thats crap I admit but don't effing hate Vettel for that.
Besides, being in a weaker car doesn't mean you can't challenge someone ahead of you or atleat TRY to challenge. Senna in 92 and 93, Räikkönen in 03, 05 and 07 Prost in 90, Schumacher in 96, 97 and 98 etc come to mind. Alonso just didn't try.

Immature or not, that's my opinion.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Oct 2010, 19:28

So to conclude this arguement, let's summerise:

Webber will be a popular winner of the title if he wins it.

Few people will be glad if Alonso or Vettel win it (there will be a few, but a minority).

Hamilton will be accepted as the winner, but not as popular as Webber would be.

Button only has an outside chance.

And my view? As I posted on an Anglo-American friend's Facebook Status thingymajig, I would be happy if the winner of the title was an Anglophone member of the British Empire/Commenwealth (i.e. Webber or a McLaren driver, not Alonso or Vettel). And this is merely a summary. Are we happy now? Ready to move on?

Post by **mario** » 24 Oct 2010, 19:44

I am definitely willing to move onto another topic: personally, I would rather not get involved in this sort of discussion because, ultimately, it is hard to change the views of those who have a considerable emotional attachment to a particular driver. Besides, all too often, it ends in the sort of bitter circular arguments which ruin many a forum.

With regards Vettel's engine failure, it seems that failure was caused by one of the intake valves on the right bank failing catastrophically. Moreover, Marko suggests that there had been no warning signs up until that point, and that both Renault and Red Bull were surprised by it, as the engine was not at the end of its life (they had racked up 1,600km, which is high, but still within the average lifetime of 2,000km).
http://www.f1complete.com/2010-news/186 ... s-red-bull

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 24 Oct 2010, 19:56

JeremyMcClean wrote:
P_Friesacher wrote:Welcome to the European experience of watching Indycar and NASCAR races!

Hmm? I don't watch NASCAR. That's for fat americans.

Objection. I'm 6'1'' and weigh just less than 150 pounds.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 24 Oct 2010, 20:06

Just seen the results (I couldn't see the race). With Alonso now leading things get a hell of a lot more interesting, especially with Hamilton 2nd and both Red Bulls retiring

DonTirri, if you don't like a driver, at least try to be more polite. Some here like Alonso, and I think you've given the impression of being a bad-tempered guy without any kind of self-control and politeness. You say he didn't deserve the win. Well, the driver who gets his car into 1st place by the end of last lap ALWAYS deserves the win for one reason or another. That's it.