The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 29 Nov 2010, 12:40

I don't know why but I've got this strange hunch that Rosberg doesn't win 1986 becuase he has too many retirements, and often ran out of fuel. I'm thinking Rene Arnoux should do very well that year given how close he came in "No Real Champions" and Johansson SHOULD be eliminated from 1987 (but I don't know yet!). Anyway I've only prepared 1992 and will post tonight, all that is pure guesswork. If that happened though it would most likely make Patrick Tambay 1983 champion which would be really cool!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 29 Nov 2010, 18:15

1992

Nigel Mansell 112 (10 wins, 2 2nd)
Riccardo Patrese 61 (1 win, 7 2nd, 2 3rd)
Ayrton Senna 54 (3 wins, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Martin Brundle 52 (1 win, 2 2nd, 6 3rd)
Michele Alboreto 28 (1 2nd, 4 4th)
Andrea De Cesaris 20 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Erik Comas 17 (1 3rd, 3 4th)
Karl Wendlinger 12 (1 win, 1 5th)
Thierry Boutsen 11 (1 2nd)
Aguri Suzuki 9 (2 4th)
Ivan Capelli 8 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Pierluigi Martini 8 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
JJ Lehto 7 (1 4th)
Stefano Modena 6 (1 3rd)
Christian Fittipaldi 5 (1 4th)
Gianni Morbidelli 4 (1 5th)
Bertrand Gachot 2 (1 5th)

Not all that different from reality really, but Mansell gets an extra win due to no Schumacher at Spa! Excellent season for Alboreto, scoring in 11 races. One obscure winner for the year is Karl Wendlinger in Montreal, when the four eligible drivers from the three top teams all retired. I'm still shocked at some of the drivers and teams Capelli finished behind mind you!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 29 Nov 2010, 21:37

1991

Ayrton Senna 126 (11 wins*, 3 2nd)
Riccardo Patrese 73 (4 wins, 4 2nd, 2 3rd*)
Nelson Piquet 48 (1 win, 5 2nd*, 1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 25.5 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Roberto Moreno 20 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Stefano Modena 16 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bertrand Gachot 13 (2 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 11 (2 3rd)
Mauricio Gugelmin 10 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
JJ Lehto 9 (1 2nd)
Ivan Capelli 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Emanuele Pirro 7 (1 3rd, 1 5th*)
Thierry Boutsen 7 (1 4th)
Gianni Morbidelli 6.5 (1 4th*, 2 5th)
Martin Brundle 5 (1 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 5 (1 4th)
Julian Bailey 3 (1 4th)
Mark Blundell 3 (1 5th) - next best finish 8th
Eric Bernard 3 (1 5th) - no other finishes
Alessandro Zanardi 2 (1 5th) - next best finish 7th*
Aguri Suzuki 2 (1 5th) - no other finishes
Nicola Larini 1 (1 6th)

*Half points for Australia

Another real champion whose winning margin was greater than reality! No obscure winners either sadly! Bit of an oddity was the British GP, I had to award Senna the win, even though he ran out of fuel on the last lap, simply becuase the three drivers to complete the full distance in reality (Mansell, Berger, Prost) were all eliminated! But we weren't robbed of an obscure winner, it would have been Piquet winning it had you relegated Senna.

Hope to bring you some more interesting seasons soon!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 30 Nov 2010, 18:09

Of course we're now back to 9 points for a win, and only the best 11 scores to count, anyway here is:

1990 (after 8 races)

Thierry Boutsen 42 (4 wins, 1 2nd)
Nelson Piquet 39 (1 win, 3 2nd, 3 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 17 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Riccardo Patrese 15 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Eric Bernard 15 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alex Caffi 11 (1 2nd)
Ivan Capelli 10 (1 win)
Derek Warwick 10 (1 2nd)
Stefano Modena 9 (2 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 7 (1 3rd)
Aguri Suzuki 6 (2 4th)
Pierluigi Martini 5 (1 4th)
Martin Donnelly 5 (1 4th)
Gregor Foitek 3 (1 4th)
Philippe Alliot 2 (2 6th)
Nicola Larini 1 (1 6th)

The elimination process was very selective in this among the top teams - Mcaren and Ferrari lose both their drivers but Benetton and Williams keep both of theirs. Anyway, Boutsen gets off to a storming start, winning the first two races, then adding Monaco and Silverstone. It's a two-horse race between him and Piquet who fails to score only once in the first 8 races, but he looks very likely to have to drop points later in the season. Both their teammates are lagging behind, and only outsider Capelli from outside those top two teams can win a race (in France).

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 01 Dec 2010, 21:17

1990 (part 2)

After a 3rd in Germany with Piquet retiring, and a win in Hungary with Piquet 2nd, Boutsen extended his lead to 10 points. But then disaster! Three DNFs on the trot for Boutsen with three podiums for Piquet put Piquet 9 points ahead after Portugal, and Nannini and Patrese were still just about in it as well after a win each at Spa and Monza. But Piquet would now have to start dropping scores - he'd had 11 podium finishes, so all was not lost for his chasers.

Nannini closed up even more in Spain with a win and his teammate retiring, and Boutsen closed in with 2nd place, Patrese finishing 3rd was not out of conention - It was Piquet 64, Boutsen 61 and Nannini 53, and Piquet would have to get wins or 2nds to improve his score since his worst finish out of 11 was a 3rd.

Nannini having his helicopter accident before Japan reduced it to a two-horse race. Piquet easily won in Japan with his new teammate Moreno second and Boutsen only 5th, but Piquet had to drop a 3rd place finish; he therefore had 6 points on Boutsen going to Adelaide. And even though he comfortably led the whole race, it was not over until he crossed the line, as even though Boutsen was most of a lap behind Piquet, with no other cars in between them, a retirement for Piquet would have given the win and championship to Boutsen.

Final standings:

Nelson Piquet 74 (82) (4 wins, 5 2nd, 4 3rd)
Thierry Boutsen 69 (5 wins, 3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 53 (4 wins, 2 2nd)
Riccardo Patrese 49 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 5 3rd)
Eric Bernard 19 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 16 (1 win, 2 4th)
Derek Warwick 15 (1 2nd, 2 4th)
Alex Caffi 15 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
Satoru Nakajima 14 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Aguri Suzuki 13 (1 3rd, 3 4th)
Roberto Moreno 9 (1 2nd)
Stefano Modena 9 (2 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 8 (1 4th)
Martin Donnelly 6 (1 4th)
Nicola Larini 6 (2 5th)
Mauricio Gugelmin 5 (1 3rd)
Michele Alboreto 3 (1 4th)
Gregor Foitek 3 (1 4th) - unrejectified!
Philippe Alliot 2 (1 5th)
Andrea De Cesaris 1 (1 6th)

And that's all the Big Four eliminated before we even go back into the 80s!

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 01 Dec 2010, 21:24

Poor Boutsen, I bet he doesn't get close ever again.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 01 Dec 2010, 21:48

SuperAguri wrote:Poor Boutsen, I bet he doesn't get close ever again.

Well he comes close in the next one.....

1989

Riccardo Patrese 67 (5 wins, 3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Thierry Boutsen 58 (5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 54 (3 wins, 3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Derek Warwick 28 (2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 19 (2 2nd)
Stefan Johansson 17 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Pierluigi Martini 17 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alex Caffi 14 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 14 (1 3rd, 3 4th)
Mauricio Gugelmin 13 (1 win, 1 4th)
Andrea De Cesaris 13 (3 3rd)
Jonathan Palmer 12 (3 4th)
Stefano Modena 10 (1 win)
Michele Alboreto 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Olivier Grouillard 9 (1 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 9 (1 4th)
Emanuele Pirro 7 (1 4th)
Philippe Alliot 6 (1 2nd)
Luis Perez-Sala 6 (1 3rd)
Gabriele Tarquini 6 (1 4th)
Christian Danner 5 (1 3rd)
Rene Arnoux 5 (1 4th)

I thought about doing this one in two parts as well but decided it was too similar to "No Real Champions" and "Forwards Elimination" to bother (as most of the same drivers were eliminated). Anyway it looks closer than it is, Patrese had it sealed in Japan, Boutsen made up a few points on him in Australia, as did Nannini in the last 2 races. I think the glut of drivers scoring in the teens and high single figures is amazing, and the lowest scorer got 5 points!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 02 Dec 2010, 20:09

Was thinking of doing this in 2 parts too but I'll put any Boutsen fans out of their misery straight away!!!

1988

Thierry Boutsen 73 (77) (6 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Michele Alboreto 54 (5 wins, 1 2nd)
Derek Warwick 47 (1 win, 3 2nd, 3 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 41 (2 wins, 3 2nd)
Alessandro Nannini 39 (2 wins, 3 2nd)
Mauricio Gugelmin 25 (3 2nd)
Eddie Cheever 23 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 22 (4 3rd)
Jonathan Palmer 12 (3 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 11 (1 2nd)
Yannick Dalmas 11 (2 4th)
Alex Caffi 9 (1 4th)
Pierluigi Martini 7 (1 3rd)
Philippe Streiff 4 (1 4th)
Philippe Alliot 4 (1 5th, 2 6th) - tiebreak 2 7ths
Luis Perez-Sala 4 (1 5th, 2 6th) - tiebreak 1 7th
Martin Brundle 3 (1 4th)
Stefan Johansson 3 (1 5th)
Gabriele Tarquini 2 (1 5th)
Stefano Modena 1 (1 6th) - next best result 7th
Nicola Larini 1 (1 6th) - next best result 10th

It was very close until mid-season between Boutsen, Alboreto and Warwick, but Boutsen's 6 podiums from the last 8 races was too much for the rest, Alboreto only finished 2 of the last 7 races and Warwick three of them. Also good totals for some rejects - De Cesaris in the Rial and also Dalmas, also a point each for the Osella EPIC FA1L, and even EuroBrun get a point!!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 03 Dec 2010, 09:16

1987

Stefan Johansson 81 (6 wins, 3 2nd)
Teo Fabi 45 (3 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jonathan Palmer 40 (3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Michele Alboreto 37 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 35 (2 wins, 3 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 33 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Philippe Streiff 24 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Derek Warwick 17 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Christian Danner 17 (1 3rd, 3 4th)
Philippe Alliot 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 9 (2 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 9 (1 3rd)
Rene Arnoux 9 (1 4th)
Andrea De Cesaris 7 (1 2nd)
Martin Brundle 7 (1 3rd)
Yannick Dalmas 5 (1 3rd)
Pascal Fabre 5 (2 5th)
Roberto Moreno 3 (1 4th)
Alessandro Nannini 1 (1 6th)

Johansson is largely unchallenged, Alboreto could have challenged but had dire reliability and only finished 5 races. Very impressive totals for the Tyrrell drivers, obscure winners in Fabi, Cheever and Nakajima, and even more obscure podiums for people like Danner, Ghinzani, Alliot and Dalmas, and even Pascal Fabre is unrejectified!!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 03 Dec 2010, 11:52

OOps, I made an incorrect prediction!

1986

Keke Rosberg 61 (6 wins, 1 2nd)
Rene Arnoux 51 (2 wins, 5 2nd)
Michele Alboreto 42 (3 wins, 1 2nd)
Martin Brundle 38 (1 win, 3 2nd)
Jacques Laffite 36 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Johnny Dumfries (1 win, 2 3rd)
Philippe Streiff 24 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alan Jones 17 (2 2nd)
Patrick Tambay 15 (3 3rd)
Teo Fabi 14 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Philippe Alliot 13 (1 win, 2 5th)
Christian Danner 13 (2 3rd)
Jonathan Palmer 11 (2 4th)
Marc Surer 10 (1 3rd)
Derek Warwick 9 (1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 6 (1 2nd)
Huub Rothengatter 2 (1 5th)
Elio De Angelis 2 (1 5th)
Allen Berg 1 (1 6th)
Alessandro Nannini 1 (1 6th)

I thought only finishing 8 races might lose Rosberg this title to Arnoux, but Arnoux only scored 8 times too! Most frequent points scorer was Brundle with 9 points finishes, and topping it off with a win at Adelaide! Laffite was only 9 points behind Rosberg when he had his crash at Brands, Rosberg only scored 16 points after that so what might have been......

There are wins for Philippe Alliot, and Johnny Dumfries of all people!!!! Mexico had one of the most obscure podiums ever - Alliot, De Cesaris (in a Minardi!) and Danner.

Even Allen Berg gets a point!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Dec 2010, 13:00

Gotta love Minardi success!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 03 Dec 2010, 23:28

1985

Michele Alboreto 78 (8 wins, 1 2nd)
Elio de Angelis 69 (3 wins, 5 2nd, 3 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 32 (3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 31 (1 win, 2 2nd)
Marc Surer 30 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 26 (1 win, 3 4th)
Derek Warwick 24 (1 win, 2 3rd)
Stefan Bellof 18 (1 2nd, 3 4th)
Niki Lauda 17 (1 win, 2 3rd)
Philippe Streiff 16 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 7 (1 4th)
John Watson 6 (1 2nd)
Andrea De Cesaris 5 (1 3rd)
Huub Rothengatter 5 (1 4th) - unrejectification!
Pierluigi Martini 5 (2 5th)
Rene Arnoux 4 (1 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 4 (1 3rd)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 1 (1 6th)
Manfred Winkelhock 1 (1 6th)
Teo Fabi 1 (1 6th)

It looks closer than it really was as Alboreto had it comfortably won earlier, he had all no-scores in the last 5 races, but his only challenger De Angelis didn't finish may races late in the season either! The weirdest result ever was at Kyalami - there was only one eligible classified finisher, Brundle!!

Also Lauda still does really badly here too.................

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 04 Dec 2010, 13:08

1984

Niki Lauda 90 (10 wins)
Elio De Angelis 65 (2 wins, 6 2nd*, 2 3rd)
Rene Arnoux 54.5 (3 wins*, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Derek Warwick 32 (1 win, 3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 26 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Teo Fabi 16 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 15 (2 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 12.5 (2 3rd, 1 4th*)
Eddie Cheever 10 (1 2nd)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 10 (2 3rd*)
Marc Surer 10 (1 3rd)
Francois Hesnault 7 (3 5th) - unrejectification!
Jo Gartner 6 (1 2nd)
Mauro Baldi 6 (1 4th)
Manfred Winkelhock 6 (1 4th)
Jonathan Palmer 5 (1 5th)
Huub Rothengatter 3 (1 4th)
Corrado Fabi 3 (1 5th)
Johnny Cecotto 2 (1 5th)
Philippe Alliot 1 (1 6th)

*Half points for Monaco

To be honest I though Lauda would be so dominant without Prost, but that wasn't really the case; even though he won every race he finished, due to lots of DNFs in the first half of the year, he trailed De Angelis and Arnoux for quite a long time, he only overtook De Angelis for the points lead in Austria. He won the last 7 races on the trot though!

It was a shame Lauda couldn't have retired at Monza though - if he had it would have been one of the best reject podiums ever - Gartner, Ghinzani and Rothengatter would have been the podium!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 05 Dec 2010, 09:45

1983

Rene Arnoux 69 (5 wins, 3 2nd)
Patrick Tambay 62 (4 wins, 3 2nd, 2 3rd)
John Watson 38 (2 wins, 3 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 38 (1 win, 4 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 32 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 27 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Derek Warwick 23 (2 2nd)
Marc Surer 18 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Mauro Baldi 12 (1 3rd)
Bruno Giacomelli 11 (2 3rd)
Danny Sullivan 9 (1 2nd)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 9 (1 3rd)
Chico Serra 6 (1 4th)
Manfred Winkelhock 5 (1 4th)
Raul Boesel 4 (1 4th)
Elio De Angelis 4 (1 4th)
Johnny Cecotto 2 (1 5th)
Corrado Fabi 2 (1 5th)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 1 (1 6th)

In-house fight at Ferrari. Tambay lead for most of the way, but horrible reliability in the last third of the year gave the title to Arnoux. Even when Tambay did finish well at Zandvoort and Monza, he was behind Arnoux! Watson and Laffite do really well in their non-turbos but most of their points are achieved early in the year, but Watson does manage to beat the much more-fancied turbo Renault of Cheever on countback. And finally there are two wins for Andrea De Cesaris right at the end of the year!

And a podium for Danny Sullivan at Monaco, some reject!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 05 Dec 2010, 20:34

1982

John Watson 65 (5 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Didier Pironi 53 (5 wins, 2 3rd)
Elio De Angelis 49 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 4 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 37 (2 2wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Derek Daly 31 (2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 21 (3 2nd)
Andrea De Cesaris 15 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Marc Surer 15 (2 3rd)
Bruno Giacomelli 14 (1 2nd)
Brian Henton 13 (2 4th)
Carlos Reutemann 9 (1 win)
Manfred Winkelhock 9 (1 2nd)
Jacques Laffite 8 (1 2nd)
Mauro Baldi 8 (1 3rd)
Eliseo Salazar 8 (2 3rd)
Jochen Mass 7 (1 3rd)
Gilles Villeneuve 6 (1 2nd)
Mario Andretti 6 (1 2nd)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 5 (1 3rd)
Chico Serra 5 (1 4th)
Slim Borgudd 5 (1 4th)
Raul Boesel 4 (1 4th)
Roberto Guerrero 2 (1 5th)
Derek Warwick 1 (1 6th)

Watson is champion almost by default, as only him and De Angelis are the only two eligible contenders to have completed the season. Pironi did lead at the time of his Hockenheim crash, and it took Watson until Monza to overtake him. Also amazing how Derek Daly goes from 8 points in real life to 31 here, Giacomelli from 2 to 14 and Brian Henton from none to 13!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 06 Dec 2010, 18:15

1981

Carlos Reutemann 70 (5 wins, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Alan Jones 62 (4 wins, 4 2nd)
Jacques Laffite 55 (3 wins, 3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Elio De Angelis 36 (1 2nd, 3 3rd, 6 4th)
Gilles Villeneuve 30 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Hector Rebaque 24 (3 2nd)
Didier Pironi 23 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 15 (2 3rd, 1 4th, 2 5th)
Mario Andretti 15 (2 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6th)
Bruno Giacomelli 12 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Andrea De Cesaris 9 (1 4th)
Marc Surer 6 (1 3rd)
Siegfried Stohr 4 (2 5th)
Eliseo Salazar 3 (1 4th)
Slim Borgudd 3 (1 5th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 3 (1 5th)
Patrick Tambay 2 (1 5th)
Derek Daly 2 (2 6th)
Chico Serra 1 (1 6th)

To be honest it was more comfortable for Reutemann than I expected (I thought it would be really close bewteen him, Jones and Laffite), but he got 4 wins and 1 2nd from the first 5 races and nobody was consistent enough to catch him (a bit like Button last year IRL). He even got a 4th from his woeful performance in Las Vegas! Also bet nobody expected De Angelis ahead of Villeneuve!

Right now here's where I'll start to struggle as my knowledge pre-1980 is somewhat limited compared to the 80s, 90s and 00s........

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 06 Dec 2010, 18:18

Just wanted to say that I'm reading this with a lot of interest

Keep it up.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 06 Dec 2010, 19:40

Ferrim wrote:Just wanted to say that I'm reading this with a lot of interest Keep it up.

And you out-predicted me for 1986 too!

Anyway, here's the mid-point of F1 history (christ, I'm only halfway!!!)

1980

Alan Jones 72 (78) (6 wins, 3 2nd)
Jacques Laffite 49 (50) (4 wins, 2 3rd)
Didier Pironi 45 (1 win, 4 2nd, 3 3rd)
Gilles Villeneuve 23 (3 3rd)
Elio De Angelis 22 (1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 19 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jochen Mass 17 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Derek Daly 16 (2 2nd)
Jody Scheckter 15 (1 2nd)
Emerson Fittipaldi 14 (1 win)
Jean-Pierre Jabouille 10 (1 win)
Mario Andretti 9 (1 4th)
Bruno Giacomelli 8 (2 3rd)
Hector Rebaque 7 (2 4th)
Ricardo Zunino 5 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Marc Surer 5 (1 4th, 2 6th)
Rupert Keegan 2 (2 6th)
Clay Regazzoni 1 (1 6th)

Jones was so dominant he could afford to drop one 2nd place from the 2nd half of the season and still win comfortably. Also note how far down some 70s legends are (Fittipaldi, Andretti, Scheckter!).

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 06 Dec 2010, 20:14

Scheckter at least scored a podium in that crapbox Ferrari.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 06 Dec 2010, 20:25

By the way, does anyone know of an Excel formula for which it will give me the sum of the highest x values in y columns? It would really help when working out 1979!

(The way I do these alternative championship, is that rows represent drivers, and also teams if I'm also doing a constructors championship, and columns represent races. I put the appropriate points scores against each driver in each race, then do a sum of all the columns in each row, if that makes sense, then sort in order of that descending. If that makes sense). ;-)

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 06 Dec 2010, 22:45

Anyway, while I work it out here is:

1979 (part one)

After 7 races, of which the best 4 results count (this system is ludicrous!!)

Jody Scheckter 30 (36) (2 wins, 2 2nd)
Patrick Depailler 25 (28) (1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Gilles Villeneuve 24 (25) (2 wins, 2 4th)
Jacques Laffite 24 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Mario Andretti 17 (1 2nd, 2 3rd, 1 4th)
Didier Pironi 10 (2 3rd, 1 5th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 9 (1 3rd)
Clay Regazzoni 7 (1 2nd)
Jochen Mass 5 (1 4th)
Emerson Fittipaldi 4 (1 4th)
Elio De Angelis 3 (1 5th)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 2 (1 5th)
James Hunt 2 (1 5th)

Only the first three have to drop points, the scores in brackets is their grand total!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 08 Dec 2010, 19:27

1979 (part two)

In the month-long gap between Monaco and France, Depailler was inujured, so the main contenders were down to really just the Ferrai drivers and Laffite, though Regazzoni had shown promise to a great 2nd half the year with a close 2nd in Monaco.

France saw the first win with the turbocharged Renault for Jabouille (who had a big fat zero for the first half of the year), and with Villeneuve 2nd (unchallenged, ha!) and Scheckter 5th, the gap closed up to 2 points. Another first win at Silverstone was for Williams with Regazzoni, and a 3rd place for Scheckter reinstated his 6 -point lead. Regazzoni followed it up with another win at Hockenheim, then a Villeneuve win in Austria closed the gap to Scheckter to 4 points on aggregate. From Holland, Scheckter and Regazzoni would have to drop points for the second half of the year, as they had scored in all 4 races.

But then disaster struck Villeneuve in Holland - his tyre blew out, he tried to drive back on 3 wheels to to no avail, his car was too damaged and his teammate inherited the win, dropping his 5th from France, so the lead for Scheckter was now 8 points over Laffiter and 11 over Villeneuve. Then at Monza Villenueve obeyed team orders to let Scheckter take the win, though it was worth only 5 points to Scheckter as he now had to drop a 3rd place, so Villenueve actually gained a point, though he too would have to drop points in the last 2 races.

It closed up further in Canada - Villenueve won his home race with Scheckter 3rd behing Regazzoni, but the 3rd place was worthless to him (and also there were no team orders with another car between them). There was now only 2 points between them, though only a win would be any use to Villeneuve at Watkins Glen, with him having to drop 2nds - Scheckter had to drop 3rds.

But Villenueve drove one of the most mesmerising qualifying sessions ever and led the whole race, and Scheckter had tyre problems and had to retire - so Villeneuve won the race, and though he only gained 3 points due to having to drop a 2nd, it was enough to win the championship from Scheckter by a point!!!!!!

Final standings:

Gilles Villeneuve 57 (24 + 33 - 3 wins and a 2nd in the 2nd half)
Jody Scheckter 56 (30 + 26 - 2 wins and 2 3rd in the 2nd half)
Jacques Laffite 43 (24 + 19 - 3 2nd in the 2nd half)
Clay Regazzoni 35 (7 + 28 - 2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd in the 2nd half)
Patrick Depailler 25 (all in the 1st half)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 21 (9 + 12)
Didier Pironi 21 (10 + 11)
Mario Andretti 20 (17 + 3)
Jochen Mass 11 (5 + 6)
Jean_Pierre Jabouille 9 (1 win and nothing else)
Emerson Fittipaldi 8 (1 4th)
Jacky Ickx 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Elio De Angelis 7 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 5 (1 4th)
Hector Rebaque 3 (1 5th)
Patrick Tambay 2 (1 5th)
James Hunt 2 (1 5th)
Geoff Lees 2 (1 5th)
Ricardo Zunino 2 (1 5th)
Derek Daly 1 (1 6th)

All Villeneuve fans praise the dropped scores rule!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 10 Dec 2010, 10:29

Before I go on (I'll have 1978 done soon) just wanted to say I was really pleased about the 1979 result, as I had thought that Villeneuve may go through this championship without a title, when relative journeymen had won them, people like Johansson, Irvine, Herbert and Half Schumacher. I thought it would have been an injustice!

(And Scheckter probably gets one earlier in the 70s).........

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 10 Dec 2010, 10:51

Back to the year I was born!!

1978

Mario Andretti 76 (7 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Ronnie Peterson 58 (3 wins, 4 2nd, 1 3rd)
Patrick Depailler 49 (2 wins, 5 2nd)
Jacques Laffite 39 (1 win, 4 3rd)
Jody Scheckter 36 (2 wins, 2 2nd)
Emerson Fittipaldi 35 (1 win, 3 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 29 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Didier Pironi 18 (1 3rd, 4 4th)
James Hunt 14 (2 3rd)
Clay Regazzoni 8 (2 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Jabouille 7 (1 2nd)
Derek Daly 7 (1 3rd)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 6 (1 2nd)
Brett Lunger 5 (2 5th)
Bruno Giacomelli 4 (1 4th)
Vittorio Brambilla 4 (1 5th)
Jochen Mass 2 (1 5th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 1 (1 6th)
Rolf Stommelen 1 (1 6th)
Hector Rebaque 1 (1 6th)

Tragically, Peterson's death at Monza clinched the championship for Andretti, even though Lotus weren't quite as dominant as I thought they'd be. Two wins for Wolf and one for the Fittipaldi team with Emerson!!! Also I'm astounded that Tambay gets more than double the points of his teammate Hunt!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 10 Dec 2010, 13:00

1977

Jody Scheckter 75 (7 wins, 2 2nd)
James Hunt 53 (5 wins, 1 3rd)
Jochen Mass 44 (1 win, 3 2nd, 3 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 38 (2 wins, 2 3rd)
Gunnar Nilsson 30 (1 win, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 29 (1 win, 1 2nd, 4 4th)
Patrick Depailler 29 (4 2nd, 1 3rd)
Clay Regazzoni 21 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Vittorio Brambilla 20 (2 3rd)
Emerson Fittipaldi 18 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Ronnie Peterson 17 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Patrick Tambay 9 (3 4th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 7 (1 4th)
Rupert Keegan 7 (1 4th)
Carlos Pace 6 (1 2nd)
Patrick Neve 5 (1 4th)
Renzo Zorzi 3 (1 4th)
Ingo Hoffman/Jacky Ickx/Vern Schuppan all 2 (1 5th)
Jackie Oliver/Alex Ribeiro/Brett Lunger/Hans Binder/Danny Ongais/Hunimitsu Takahashi all 1 (1 6th)

And no I'm not working out all those lower-position tiebreaks.

I'm getting to the point who where I'm thinking "Who?" towards a lot of the drivers lower down!!

Anyway Scheckter wins comfortably with Hunt retiring too often.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 10 Dec 2010, 17:04

1976

James Hunt 77 (7 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Patrick Depailler 61 (4 wins, 3 2nd)
Clay Regazzoni 45 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jochen Mass 39 (3 2nd, 3 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 31 (1 win, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Tom Pryce 31 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Gunnar Nilsson 18 (2 2nd)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 17 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Carlos Pace 17 (2 3rd)
Ronnie Peterson 15 (1 win, 1 4th)
Emerson Fittipaldi 13 (1 2nd)
Vittiorio Brambilla 8 (2 4th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 7 (2 5th)
Harald Ertl 6 (1 3rd)
Chris Amon 4 (1 3rd)
Larry Perkins 3 (1 4th)
Jacky Ickx 3 (1 5th)
Rolf Stommelen 2 (1 5th)
Arturo Merzario 1 (1 6th)
Bob Evans 1 (1 6th)

As expected really, but good to see a win for Tom Pryce! (And a podium for one of the best beards ever)

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 11 Dec 2010, 16:27

1975

Emerson Fittipaldi 60.5 (4 wins, 3 2nd)
Clay Regazzoni 43 (3 wins, 2 2nd)
Patrick Depailler 35 (2 wins, 2 3rd)
Carlos Pace 35 (1 win, 4 2nd)
Jochen Mass 33.5 (2 wins*, 1 2nd, 3 3rd*)
Tom Pryce 22 (2 2nd*, 3 3rd)
Mark Donohue 17 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Vittorio Brambilla 13 (1 win*, 3 4th*)
Ronnie Peterson 12.5 (2 3rd)
Tony Brise 10.5 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Jacques Laffite 10 (1 win)
Jacky Ickx 8 (1 2nd*, 2 5th)
Gijs van Lennep (who?) 4 (1 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 4 (1 3rd*, 1 5th)
Lella Lombardi 4 (1 4th)
Harald Ertl 4 (2 5th)
Rolf Stommelen 3 (1 4th)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 2 (1 5th)
Bob Evans/Torsten Palm/Brett Lunger/Wilson Fittipaldi all 1 (1 6th)

Lots of half points due to Spain and Austria.

With no Lauda, the way is cleared for Fittipaldi, and he is also not disadvantaged my the half-points races, he only loses a half-point! Laffite wins in Germany for Williams long before they became winners in real life! Also a 4th place in Germany for Lella Lombardi puts her unrejectification beyond doubt!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Dec 2010, 16:47

James1978 wrote: Laffite wins in Germany for Williams long before they became winners in real life! Also a 4th place in Germany for Lella Lombardi puts her unrejectification beyond doubt!

I approve wholeheartedly of both of these!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 11 Dec 2010, 23:27

1974

Clay Regazzoni 82 (6 wins, 4 2nd, 1 3rd)
Ronnie Peterson 45 (3 wins, 2 2nd)
Denny Hulme 40 (2 wins, 3 3rd)
Patrick Depailler 34 (1 win, 1 2nd, 33 rd)
Mike Hailwood 25 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jacky Ickx 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Carlos Pace 21 (1 win, 2 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 18 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Jean-PIerre Jarier 16 (2 2nd)
Graham Hill 14 (I totally didn't know he was racing as late on as this!!!) (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 11 (1 2nd)
Arturo Merzario 8 (1 2nd)
Vittorio Brambilla 6 (1 3rd)
Tom Pryce 6 (2 4th)
Guy Edwards (who?) 5 (1 4th)
Jochen Mass 4 (1 3rd)
David Hobbs 4 (1 4th)
Brian Redman 3 (who?) (1 4th)
Rikky von Opel 3 (1 5th)
Tom Belso 2 (1 5th)
Chris Amon 2 (1 5th)
Howden Ganley/Dieter Quester/ Helmuth Koinigg all 1 (1 6th)

Amazing what a steady scorer Clay was!!!!

Some good points finishes for some rejects there!!!

:)

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 12 Dec 2010, 16:52

1973

Jackie Stewart 80 (6 wins, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Francois Cevert 56 (2 wins, 4 2nd, 2 3rd)
Ronnie Peterson 54 (4 wins, 3 2nd)
Peter Revson 47 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 3 3rd)
Denny Hulme 38 (1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jacky Ickx 22 (2 3rd, 3 4th)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 15 (1 3rd, 3 4th)
Arturo Merzario 12 (2 3rd)
Carlos Pace 9 (1 3rd)
George Follmer 8 (1 2nd)
Jackie Oliver 6 (1 2nd)
Andrea De Adamich 6 (1 3rd)
Howden Ganley 5 (2 5th)
Wilson Fittipaldi 4 (2 5th)
Chris Amon 3 (1 4th)
Mike Hailwood 3 (1 5th)
Gijs Van Lennep 2 (1 5th)
Mike Beuttler 2 (2 6th)
Nanni Galli 1 (1 6th)
Jochen Mass 1 (1 6th)

It's not all that different to reality becuase only Emerson Fittipaldi is eliminated from the regular front-runners that year.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 12 Dec 2010, 20:14

1972

Denny Hulme 57 (3 wins, 4 2nd, 1 3rd)
Peter Revson 40 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jacky Ickx 35 (2 wins, 2 2nd)
Chris Amon 28 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Francois Cevert 25 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Ronnie Peterson 23 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Mike Hailwood 22 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 11 (1 win)
Graham Hill 10 (2 4th)
Andrea De Adamich 8 (1 2nd)
Carlos Pace 8 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Tim Schenken 8 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Howden Ganley 8 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Brian Redman 7 (1 3rd)
Wilson Fittipaldi 4 (1 5th)
Arturo Merzario (1 4th)
Henri Pescarolo/Peter Gethin/Patrick Depailler all 2 (1 5th)
Helmut Marko/Rolf Stommelen/Reine Wisell all 1 (1 6th)

Only 3 retirements for Hulme. Tim Schenken and Howden Ganley don't win races in this format!!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 13 Dec 2010, 20:10

1971

Ronnie Peterson 48 (3 wins, 2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Francois Cevert 36 (3 wins, 1 3rd)
Jacky Ickx 29 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Jo Siffert 24 (1 win, 2 2nd)
Reine Wisell 22 (1 win, 2 3rd)
Chris Amon 17 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
John Surtees 13 (4 4th)
Pedro Rodriguez 11 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Peter Gethin 10 (1 win)
Tim Schenken 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Henri Pescarolo 10 (1 2nd, 2 5th)
Rolf Stommelen 9 (2 3rd)
Graham Hill 8 (1 4th)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 8 (1 4th)
Howden Ganley 7 (1 4th)
Mark Donohue 6 (1 2nd)
Brian Redman 4 (1 3rd)
Mike Hailwood 3 (1 4th)

The seasons were very short back then weren't they? Peterson is by far the most consistent scorer. And there's an obscure winner in Reine Wisell, whoever he is!!!

watka · Post by **watka** » 13 Dec 2010, 20:13

Reine Wisell, the new Ronnie Peterson.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 13 Dec 2010, 22:28

1970

Jochen Rindt 45 (5 wins)
Jacky Ickx 43 (3 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Chris Amon 34 (4 2nd, 1 3rd)
Pedro Rodriguez 31 (2 wins, 2 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 29 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Jack Brabham 25 (1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Rolf Stommelen 19 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Henri Pescarolo 16 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Graham Hill 15 (1 2nd)
Bruce McLaren 9 (1 win)
Francois Cevert 8 (1 3rd)
John Surtees 7 (2 4th)
Reine Wisell 6 (1 2nd)
John Miles 6 (1 3rd)
Jackie Oliver 5 (1 4th)
Johnny Servoz-Gavin 4 (1 3rd)
Ignzio Giunti 4 (1 4th)
Dan Gurney/Andrea De Adamich/Peter Gethin/Derek Bell all 2 (1 5th)
Jo Siffert 2 (2 6th)
John Love 1 (1 6th)

I thought for a few minutes Rindt might have lost his real posthumous title as he had nothing but wins and retirements, meaning he had nothing to gain from eliminations, but Ickx still fell a couple of points short. And wins are still very hard to come by for Chris Amon!!!!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 Dec 2010, 18:10

1969

Jacky Ickx 49 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 40 (1 win, 3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 38 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Graham Hill 29 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Jo Siffert 25 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th). ;-)

Piers Courage 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jack Brabham 19 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
John Surtees 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Pedro Rodriguez 8 (2 4th)
Vic Elford (wasn't he a photographer?) 7 (2 4th)
Chris Amon 6 (1 2nd)
Jackie Oliver 5 (1 4th)
Richard Attwood 3 (1 4th)
Silvio Moser (who?) 3 (1 5th)
Johnny Servoz-Gavin 3 (1 5th)
Pete Lovely (that's one the best names ever!!) 1 (1 6th)
Sam Tingle (who?) 1 (1 6th)

About time too for Ickx!!

(We're getting a bit "before my time" now so can't really say much else!)

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 Dec 2010, 20:57

1968

Graham Hill 55 (5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 31 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Pedro Rodriguez 25 (3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 21 (1 win, 1 3rd)
John Surtees 20 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jo Siffert 17 (1 win, 1 4th)
Piers Courage 15 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Chris Amon 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Richard Attwood 11 (1 2nd)
Jim Clark 9 (1 win)

Johnny Servoz-Gavin 9 (1 win)
Vic Elford 9 (1 2nd)
Jackie Oliver 8 (2 3rd)
Lucien Bianchi 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Ludovico Scarfiotti 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jack Brabham 6 (1 2nd)
Brian Redman 6 (1 2nd)
Dan Gurney 6 (1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 6 (1 4th)
Silvio Moser 4 (1 3rd)
Hubert Hahne 1 (1 6th)

Very comfortable for Hill with Stewart eliminated!

(Also, the season started on New Years' Day, WTF????)

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 Dec 2010, 21:50

1967

Jack Brabham 51 (55) (3 wins, 3 2nd 1 3rd)
Jim Clark 43 (4 wins, 1 3rd)
Chris Amon 36 (1 win, 3 2nd, 1 3rd)
John Surtees 23 (1 win, 3 3rd)
Pedro Rodriguez 22 (1 win, 2 3rd)
Mike Spence 17 (2 3rd)
Dan Gurney 15 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Jo Siffert 14 (2 2nd)
Bruce McLaren 8 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 7 (2 4th)
John Love 6 (1 2nd)
Bob Anderson 4 (1 4th)
Mike Parkes 3 (1 4th)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 3 (1 5th)
Chris Irwin 3 (3 6th)
Guy Ligier 2 (1 5th)
Ludovico Scarfioti 2 (1 5th)

Brabham had to drop a 3rd place in the second half of the year but it didn't matter! Too many retirements for Clark. And a rare win for Amon!

watka · Post by **watka** » 14 Dec 2010, 22:59

James1978 wrote:1968

Graham Hill 55 (5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 31 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Pedro Rodriguez 25 (3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise 21 (1 win, 1 3rd)
John Surtees 20 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jo Siffert 17 (1 win, 1 4th)
Piers Courage 15 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Chris Amon 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Richard Attwood 11 (1 2nd)
Jim Clark 9 (1 win)
Johnny Servoz-Gavin 9 (1 win)
Vic Elford 9 (1 2nd)
Jackie Oliver 8 (2 3rd)
Lucien Bianchi 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Ludovico Scarfiotti 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jack Brabham 6 (1 2nd)
Brian Redman 6 (1 2nd)
Dan Gurney 6 (1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 6 (1 4th)
Silvio Moser 4 (1 3rd)
Hubert Hahne 1 (1 6th)

Very comfortable for Hill with Stewart eliminated!

(Also, the season started on New Years' Day, WTF????)

I believe that there was at least one season that started in the December of the year before.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 15 Dec 2010, 21:59

1966

John Surtees 33 (3 wins, 1 2nd)
Jim Clark 27 (3 wins)
Lorenzo Bandini 25 (1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mike Parkes 15 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Dan Gurney 14 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Mike Spence 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Richie Ginther 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bob Bondurant 10 (1 2nd, 2 5th)
Ludovico Scarfiotti 9 (1 win)
Bruce McLaren 9 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
John Taylor 9 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th)
Peter Arundell 8 (1 4th)
Bob Anderson 6 (2 4th)
Jo Bonnier 6 (2 4th)
Chris Irwin 4 (1 3rd)
Jo Siffert 4 (1 3rd)
Chris Amon 2 (1 5th)
Guy Ligier 2 (2 6th)
Ronnie Bucknum 1 (1 6th)

It was only best 5 scores to count from 9 races (what a short season!!) but nobody finished 5 times!

It's also impossible to do most of the tie-breaks since the lower scorers tended to have no other finishes!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 15 Dec 2010, 22:54

Trying to get the rest of these rushed through now.....

1965

Jim Clark 54 (6 wins)
Dan Gurney 40 (2 wins, 3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Lorenzo Bandini 30 (31) (1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mike Spence 26 (2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Richie Ginther 20 (1 win, 2 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 20 (2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jo Siffert 19 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 13 (3 4th)
Pedro Rodriguez 4 (1 3rd)
Richard Attwood 4 (1 4th)
Bob Anderson 4 (2 5th)
Paul Hawkins 3 (1 5th)
Frank Gardner 2 (1 5th)
Masten Gregory 2 (1 5th)
Ronnie Bucknum 2 (1 5th)
Innes Ireland 2 (2 6th)
Peter De Klerk 1 (1 6th)
Bob Bondurant 1 (1 6th)

It was best 6 results from 10 races - Jim Clark got a perfect score in reality so obviously does so here too.